[Advanced] French Revolution Mafia - Day 3

[Yates]

[Yates]

My vote on Basel wasn't a joke vote fyi. Does no one have anything to add on that besides Pray?

Yes. I think your reasoning is weak. That is too easily explained as an in character joke and looks totally null.

 

Check out MY pony:

 

Yeah Basel, that was not a smart thing to say.

 

As to my vote, I'll obviously vote Mish.

Thanks for helping us out of RVS.

 

Vote: Thorum

 

This "me too" post wreaks of trying to fit in and scum pretending they know the Town Role PM. Guess what? You don't.

 

I also didn't mention it at the time but bonus scum points for cognitive dissonance. "That was a scummy thing to say, Basel. Oh well, vote Mish! Tee hee hee!" This should be our first lynch of 2014.

[hazelkrs1]

 

My vote on Basel wasn't a joke vote fyi. Does no one have anything to add on that besides Pray?

Yes. I think your reasoning is weak. That is too easily explained as an in character joke and looks totally null.

 

That's kinda the whole point tho- if it was an in character joke, then that sort of implies that Basel could be an aristocrat, which is who I would assume the scum to be in a French Revolution themed game. Are you telling me you've never seen a mafioso joke about something related to their role or alignment early in the game? I see it all the time, especially with some DM vets. I'm not saying it's a crazy strong scumtell, but I think it's the best thing we got goin right now.

 

Thorum is too easy of a lynch most the time. I don't like to pressure him early as much in games cause he often seems to attract votes due to both off-the-wall play and language limitations. I agree that post wasn't good tho. I never like nudging posts.

[Yates]

Thorum is too easy of a lynch most the time.

Do you have some examples for me? Not sure I've ever played with him before. If I did? I don't remember him.

[Basel Gill]

Moar gameplay please.

 

My vote on Basel wasn't a joke vote fyi. Does no one have anything to add on that besides Pray? Is... who was it Golden I believe... trying to chainsaw defend Basel with that vote on Pray? Or was that a continuation on the policy vote from recent games? Or a policy vote meant to be disguised as a joke vote?

 

Des, I think you've gotta be thinking of someone else besides Pral, since his only post so far is to joke vote someone who isn't even in this game. Perhaps you're thinking of Thorum, whose reply to you could be the very definition of dodgy.

 

 

 

My vote on Basel wasn't a joke vote fyi. Does no one have anything to add on that besides Pray?

Yes. I think your reasoning is weak. That is too easily explained as an in character joke and looks totally null.

 

 

That's kinda the whole point tho- if it was an in character joke, then that sort of implies that Basel could be an aristocrat, which is who I would assume the scum to be in a French Revolution themed game. Are you telling me you've never seen a mafioso joke about something related to their role or alignment early in the game? I see it all the time, especially with some DM vets. I'm not saying it's a crazy strong scumtell, but I think it's the best thing we got goin right now.

 

Thorum is too easy of a lynch most the time. I don't like to pressure him early as much in games cause he often seems to attract votes due to both off-the-wall play and language limitations. I agree that post wasn't good tho. I never like nudging posts.

 

I thought it was rather obvious it was a joke related not to the game, but to my RL.

 

As for Thorum...

 

Yeah Basel, that was not a smart thing to say.

 

As to my vote, I'll obviously vote Mish.

The vote on Mish is written like a joke vote. Except why is he making a joke vote when in his previous sentence, he says my post wasn't a smart thing to say? If he's going to start scumhunting, he shouldn't still be in joke vote stage. I kind of wonder if he's just including the bit about me as an opportunistic way to leave one foot in the bandwagon without actually hopping on board with a vote. In other words, a bit of fence-sitting. I don't like this at all.

 

Unvote. Vote Thorum.

[Yates]

I thought it was rather obvious it was a joke related not to the game, but to my RL.

???

 

I don't get the joke.  

[Thorum]

- My Mish-vote has been explained. Even Mish herself confirmed the reasoning.

 

- Basel said something strange on page one. That warrants him getting 2 votes, with no one else getting more than one. That doesn't warrant him getting triple the amount of vote of the second most-voted-for player.  Him reacting as finding something which it seemed (at that moment) like many people had in their pm strange, is scummy in and of itself. However, reading the epicmafia-link provided on the previous page, I rather believe him having made a stupid mistake (which you can never admit on DM, for some reason), rather than a mafia-mistake.

 

 

So:

- at the time when I voted Mish (for out-of-game reasons), Basel was slightly favorite for my serious vote.

- right now, everyone is at about a similar level, except Yates, who's slightly below that level (mainly because his recent actions don't make any sense if Basel is town and he were mafia).

[Thorum]

Oh, and a happy new year to all !

[Thorum]

 

 I kind of wonder if he's just including the bit about me as an opportunistic way to leave one foot in the bandwagon without actually hopping on board with a vote. In other words, a bit of fence-sitting. I don't like this at all.

 

Both of us have played a lot of games on DM. Has something like this EVER been accomplished successfully?

[LilyElizabeth]

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with Basel complimenting Cindy's cooking, and trying to make a game joke out of it. 

 

Des seems to be playing normally for either alignment, beating the grass for anything interesting.

 

I don't like Thorum's play, but Des said he's an early easy lynch based on his game style. I seem to remember him getting lynched early when we used to play years ago. 

 

Right now, I don't see anywhere I want to put a serious vote

 

Unvote Ishy

[John E. Kelley]

Unvote.

[GoldeneyesND]

Moar gameplay please.

 

My vote on Basel wasn't a joke vote fyi. Does no one have anything to add on that besides Pray? Is... who was it Golden I believe... trying to chainsaw defend Basel with that vote on Pray? Or was that a continuation on the policy vote from recent games? Or a policy vote meant to be disguised as a joke vote?

 

WTL anyone with lace on their sleeves and collar, or one of those fake moles or something. Notice how Basel didn't deny being an aristocrat?

 

Please explain these terms? 

I was referring to the game we just played where we spent the whole time bickering and yes it's a joke. But you know that already, you just want to see if I get all emo and FOS you for making that comment. 

[dapianoplay3r]

Official Vote Count:

 

Des (1) - Mish

Yates (1) - Hallia

Basel (2) - AJ, Des

Mish (1) - Thorum

Golden (1) - Pral

Thorum (2) - Yates, Basel

 

Not Voting (6) - pral, peace, elf, wombat, GF, Lily, Ishy

 

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

No deadline yet (ill set one tomorrow for Monday I think)

[Graendals favourite]

I'll have to start posting just to post if this goes like this, though otherwise I guess it's a good thing.

[peacesells]

I'll have to start posting just to post if this goes like this, though otherwise I guess it's a good thing.

And this would be a change to your game how?

 

Ok all...I've been laid up with the flu for the past 5 days.  I'll start sinking my teeth into the game now. 

[Graendals favourite]

There's always the chance....

[hazelkrs1]

 

Thorum is too easy of a lynch most the time.

Do you have some examples for me? Not sure I've ever played with him before. If I did? I don't remember him.

 

 

Can't think of any specific examples off the top of my head, but I know most games I've played with him (notasmuch recently btw, he used to play a lot more often), he attracted votes fairly easily, and usually didn't do a great job of defending himself. Usually led to a mislynch, and not a very informative one at that. From what I remember, when he is scum he usually trips up eventually anyways, like tying himself too closely to a teammate or something.

 

But if you want, you can disregard my meta on him since I don't have any specific examples. /shrug

 

 

Moar gameplay please.

 

My vote on Basel wasn't a joke vote fyi. Does no one have anything to add on that besides Pray? Is... who was it Golden I believe... trying to chainsaw defend Basel with that vote on Pray? Or was that a continuation on the policy vote from recent games? Or a policy vote meant to be disguised as a joke vote?

 

Des, I think you've gotta be thinking of someone else besides Pral, since his only post so far is to joke vote someone who isn't even in this game. Perhaps you're thinking of Thorum, whose reply to you could be the very definition of dodgy.

 

Yes you're right, I got Thorum and Pray mixed up when writing that post. So actually if anything it would look like Yates possibly chainsaw defending you by voting Thorum instead, altho it would technically make more sense in that scenario if he voted me instead. Unless, that is, he had knowledge of Thorum's meta and thought he'd be an easier lynch, which he could have gotten from a teammate. Makes the previous post I quoted of Yates moar interesting- he could be trying to put on an act like he knows nothing of Thorum's meta.

 

- My Mish-vote has been explained. Even Mish herself confirmed the reasoning.

 

- Basel said something strange on page one. That warrants him getting 2 votes, with no one else getting more than one. That doesn't warrant him getting triple the amount of vote of the second most-voted-for player.  Him reacting as finding something which it seemed (at that moment) like many people had in their pm strange, is scummy in and of itself. However, reading the epicmafia-link provided on the previous page, I rather believe him having made a stupid mistake (which you can never admit on DM, for some reason), rather than a mafia-mistake.

 

 

So:

- at the time when I voted Mish (for out-of-game reasons), Basel was slightly favorite for my serious vote.

- right now, everyone is at about a similar level, except Yates, who's slightly below that level (mainly because his recent actions don't make any sense if Basel is town and he were mafia).

 

Fwiw, the bolded is an example of Thorum's unique mathematical way of looking at games, and a slight towntell for him imo. Don't like the first part of the post however, how he acts like Mish corroberating that they DO have a recent "history" together somehow clears all suspicion for his vote on her.

 

The part I'm REALLY interested in however is the part at the end. So if I'm reading it correctly, he's saying he has a slight scum lean on Basel, and a slight townlean on Yates since he doesn't think Yates as mafia would do what he did if Basel was town.... yet this is making the assumption that Basel is town, even tho Thorum said Basel was slightly favorite for his "serious" vote.

 

Hmm... just realized he is pointing out his mindset in two diff circumstances, so mebbe there's nothing there.

 

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with Basel complimenting Cindy's cooking, and trying to make a game joke out of it. 

 

Des seems to be playing normally for either alignment, beating the grass for anything interesting.

 

I don't like Thorum's play, but Des said he's an early easy lynch based on his game style. I seem to remember him getting lynched early when we used to play years ago. 

 

Right now, I don't see anywhere I want to put a serious vote

 

Unvote Ishy

 

 

Unvote.

 

Prob nothing, but Lily unvoting Ishy minutes before he unvotes his joke vote as well intrigues me somewhat.

 

Also, I wanted to look into something: I wanna see if others started coattailing on the starving thing after I fos'ed Basel for his comment, as there could be scum trying to look for an easy way to gain townie cred. From what I remember, Lily and Hallia both made similar comments, not sure of the timing of them however.

 

 

Moar gameplay please.

 

My vote on Basel wasn't a joke vote fyi. Does no one have anything to add on that besides Pray? Is... who was it Golden I believe... trying to chainsaw defend Basel with that vote on Pray? Or was that a continuation on the policy vote from recent games? Or a policy vote meant to be disguised as a joke vote?

 

WTL anyone with lace on their sleeves and collar, or one of those fake moles or something. Notice how Basel didn't deny being an aristocrat?

 

Please explain these terms? 

I was referring to the game we just played where we spent the whole time bickering and yes it's a joke. But you know that already, you just want to see if I get all emo and FOS you for making that comment. 

 

 

Chainsaw defense: There are actually multiple meanings of the phrase, depending on which site you're playing mafia on. On DM, it essentially equates to "the best defense is a good offense", ergo attacking someone who is going after someone you want to defend without linking yourself too strongly too. Anyways, I got peeps mixed up for a sec so this wouldn't apply to you in this situation.

 

Policy vote: A vote that is less for purposes of catching scum, and more driven behind something outside of the gameplay in that game. Some people will push for policy lynches on inactives, or sometimes will push a policy lynch on someone who has a particularly abrasive style or something. Since you seemed to pursue Pray a lot in a recent game for his inactivity in a game preceding that one, I wanted to see if this was just a continuation of that. Thing is, scum will sometimes try and bury a vote on someone under the pretenses of a policy vote or something similar, so it is worth seeing how committed that person is to that policy vote. In this case, it did seem like it could be either (policy vote or joke vote), which is why I asked about it. Luckily you clarified for me that it was indeed a joke vote.

 

The thing that REALLY concerns me however, is the bolded at the end. Looks a LOT like some preemptive guilt there. Very strange to reply to my query with such a defensive tone.

 

Unvote, Vote Golden

[hazelkrs1]

This dude talks about enjoying yummy food while the rest of us are starving. An obvious aristocrat. Let's cure him of his acute "still having his head on his shoulders-itis" with a nice hefty dose of mob justice.

 

Vote Basel.

 

Here was where I voted Basel for his comment about eating well.

 

MOD SPEAK

 

MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN ASKING THIS BUT INCASE YOU HAVENT;

THIS IS A FAMINE BASED GAME. IT IS BASED AROUND THE ROLE KNOWN AS A BAKER.

 

THIS IS ALMOST EXACTLY LIKE ON MAFIA WIKI, HOWEVER FAMINE STARTS IMMEDIATELY AND ONE OR TWO BALANCING MEASURES HAVE BEEN ADDED.

 

MAFIA WIKI BAKER:

http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?title=Baker

 

From now onward, if you are inactive and posting less than the rules mandate you will lose a piece of bread to mould.

(So less than half the mods post count)

 

And here's where Dap clarified for everyone how the Baker worked. After this...

 

I'm heading out in a bit to start the NYE celebration. Not sure how booze is gonna sit on my oh-so empty stomach

 

Be safe everyone!

 

Bread plz.

 

 

Bread plz.

 

Please sir, I want some mooooore

 

 

*Checks everyone's pockets for crumbs*

 

A few peeps chimed in with "lol I r hungry too" posts. I'd guess at least one scum is hiding in that group. Silly aristocrats, trying to act like they're poor

 

Ooooh, reminds me of that Chuck Palahniuk short story about rich people "dressing down", ie acting like they're bums and stuff. From Haunted. Creepy stories in that book.

 

Anyways, back to what I was saying- AJ adding the sad face smiley to his hungry post could be scum trying to oversell the starving angle. Ishy's post seemed more null than anything tbh. Hallia is kinda referencing the wrong topic lol, as she quotes Oliver (post french revolution, during industrialization period). Lily's seems kinda null there too. So out of that group, AJ I think would be the best candidate for scum.

 

Des, why are you frowning at our co-modess? 

 

Forgot to respond to this before. Key likes it when I make and faces lol, cause I had a huge rant about it once when DM for a short while made both faces look the exact same.

 

 

 

 

vote Darthe

 

 

Oh wait, he is not in the game !

 

That's the first joke I've ever heard from you bro. Worthy of a vote Pral,

I'm not sure I like it when you're happy  

 

 

I skimmed Golden's vote the first time I think, cause on review it's actually pretty obvious the vote was more of a joke vote than a policy vote.

 

However, this doesn't change how I feel about his preemptively guilty post. Keeping my vote there.

 

Top reads for scum: Golden, AJ, Basel, Yates.

[peacesells]

Re-reading the first 4 pages with the info Dap has given on the baker role.  The role talks about town players starving.  Does not mention scum starving.  So, to me it seems that the scum did not get info in their role pm relating to the number of loaves of bread they start off with. 

 

Given that, Despo theory (which I'd normally chalk up as crazy at this point) has a TON more validity.  AJ looks very town from this first post because he basically references that he'll be out of bread soon.  "I'm starving."  

 

If basel has the same type of role pm as AJ then instead of talking about Cindy's cooking...he would most likely have shown empathy by making his own hunger comment.  The fact that he made this un-game related joke shows he has no clue what AJ is talking about. 

 

 

 

 

 

Idk about you guys, but I'm starving.

 

vote Basel

 

Sup bro

 

You should taste Cindy's cooking. Seriously, man, yum.

 

 

 

Yeah Basel, that was not a smart thing to say.

As to my vote, I'll obviously vote Mish.

 

As others have stated...Thorum can phrase things in a strange way.  I can see Yates point on him though. 

 

 

This dude talks about enjoying yummy food while the rest of us are starving. An obvious aristocrat. Let's cure him of his acute "still having his head on his shoulders-itis" with a nice hefty dose of mob justice.
 
Vote Basel.

If I were an aristocrat, I'd not even bother to have anyone killed. I'd just escape to England or Spain at the first sign of trouble.

 

 

Instead of taking Despo's accusation seriously, Basel makes another joke...stilling showing is clueless about what is in the town pm's.

 

 

My vote on Basel wasn't a joke vote fyi. Does no one have anything to add on that besides Pray?

Yes. I think your reasoning is weak. That is too easily explained as an in character joke and looks totally null.

Check out MY pony:

 

Yeah Basel, that was not a smart thing to say.

As to my vote, I'll obviously vote Mish.

Thanks for helping us out of RVS.

Vote: Thorum

This "me too" post wreaks of trying to fit in and scum pretending they know the Town Role PM. Guess what? You don't.

 

I also didn't mention it at the time but bonus scum points for cognitive dissonance. "That was a scummy thing to say, Basel. Oh well, vote Mish! Tee hee hee!" This should be our first lynch of 2014.

 

 

This could actually be a double chainsaw defense.  Not only protecting Basil, but also providing a new target.  Plus, the reasoning on Despo's theory makes no sense.  "In character ploy?"  What does that mean?  Also, why would you provide Basil an excuse of any kind.  Let the man answer his own accusations. 

 

 

Town reads so far.  AJ and Despo

 

Scum read.  Basil

 

Slight scum read.  Thorum.

 

Rocking back and forth on.  Yates.

[peacesells]

VOTE BASEL

[Thorum]

Green bold underscored is my comment. I STILL cannot work with those stupid new quotes :(

 

But if you want, you can disregard my meta on him since I don't have any specific examples. /shrug

 

Yates has (probably) never played with me

 

 

 

The part I'm REALLY interested in however is the part at the end. So if I'm reading it correctly, he's saying he has a slight scum lean on Basel, and a slight townlean on Yates since he doesn't think Yates as mafia would do what he did if Basel was town.... yet this is making the assumption that Basel is town, even tho Thorum said Basel was slightly favorite for his "serious" vote.

 

Hmm... just realized he is pointing out his mindset in two diff circumstances, so mebbe there's nothing there.

 

Glad to see you found why you misreasoned :) .   I do not think Yates' actions make any sense if Yates=mafia and Basel=town.  Because many more players are town than mafia, that means I indeed have a "slight townlean" on Yates. And a "little bit of a slight scumlean" on Basel, but let's not make things ridiculous.

 

 

 

@ Peace. In the Epicmafia-link, it says

 

Every person starts the game with three pieces of bread.

Every PERSON. Not every townie. So, whichever allignment Basel has, he should have known about the famine.

[peacesells]

 

@ Peace. In the Epicmafia-link, it says

 

Every person starts the game with three pieces of bread.

Every PERSON. Not every townie. So, whichever allignment Basel has, he should have known about the famine.

 

 

Basil's  "slip" was before that link was posted.  So, your statement is wrong.

[Thorum]

The mods say they have followed the scenario as described in that link. Whether we already knew that or not is irrelevant.

 

Which basically means that the famine, and the pieces of bread, have to have been mentioned in every PM.  Unless multiple people can confirm this hasn't been the case for them, of course. In which case the mafia-knows-no-famine could be one of the "balancing measures".

 

As a reminder, here's the modspeak:

 

MOD SPEAK

MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN ASKING THIS BUT INCASE YOU HAVENT;
THIS IS A FAMINE BASED GAME. IT IS BASED AROUND THE ROLE KNOWN AS A BAKER.

THIS IS ALMOST EXACTLY LIKE ON MAFIA WIKI, HOWEVER FAMINE STARTS IMMEDIATELY AND ONE OR TWO BALANCING MEASURES HAVE BEEN ADDED.

MAFIA WIKI BAKER:
http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?title=Baker

From now onward, if you are inactive and posting less than the rules mandate you will lose a piece of bread to mould.
(So less than half the mods post count)

 

As to this game. In night 3, a lot of us will die. How do we tackle that? I would suggest keeping days long and active would let us cover most ground in that limited timeframe. Hence, I'll do something I almost never do and unvote.

 

 

EDIT: I changed the "or" to "in which case".

[Thorum]

And I really mean that: if the famine wasn't mentioned in your pm, and you're a townie: come out and say so.  It would make the basel-case kinda moot.

[peacesells]

And I really mean that: if the famine wasn't mentioned in your pm, and you're a townie: come out and say so.  It would make the basel-case kinda moot.

 

That's just not gonna work.  Just creates wifom that some will want to test for test purposes only.

 

Nothing stated says the mod gave everyone bread in their role pm.  Why would you assume this?

 

Why are you providing defense for Basel?