[Advanced] French Revolution Mafia - Day 3

[Alanna]

 

Find me a better candidate then (besides me, obviously I'm not going for a lynch on myself). No one else is saying anything, no one else seems to have anything to contribute. We're kind of screwed with the three most vocal people killed and no info on them. I'm waiting to hear Mish's reasoning for voting Lily. I'm hoping to hear from some of the people who haven't been talking at all.

 

And since when is an info lynch only a scum tactic? That's almost always the best kind of lynch you can get on Day 1, unless a mafioso slips up. Besides, as I said before, I think Mish is a good candidate for possible scum too.

 

"No one else is saying anything."  So, you lynch the vocal?  Is that your reasoning here?

 

"Find me a better candidate."  Lily is a better candidate.  In fact, I'd love to see an ISO on her from you with your thoughts on all her play so far.  Do that and I'll feel better about you.

 

No, you're misunderstanding me here. "No one else is saying anything" is referring to no one else is providing other lynch candidates at this point (or at that point; Lily's name is cropping up more now). That was not referring to Mish, or who I think we should lynch, at all. Make sense?

 

I'll go back and look through Lily's posts (is ISO a new term? I assume that means casing someone?), as I don't remember too much from her off the top of my head. I'd like to hear from you why you think she is a good candidate, though. Right now, Pral is the only one who has given any reasoning for that (since Day 1 restarted, at least).

[Alanna]

FYI, I'm leaving work now and heading for the gym, so my thoughts on Lily will come in a few hours, probably.

[Alanna]

Pral, I think Lily has had enough back and forth so far that a lynch on her would provide some good info as well, and you make some good points. I'd like to take a look at her posts myself before deciding anything further. Why is Hallia also on your list?

[peacesells]

Alanna.  ISO is basically isolating all a person's posts and commenting on them.  I'll give my opinions on her once you do.  As you are my top scum suspect I don't want to influence you at all in regards to Lily. 

[peacesells]

Also...and ISO doesn't have to be a case against the person. It can be for them as well.

[Pralaya]

Pral, I think Lily has had enough back and forth so far that a lynch on her would provide some good info as well, and you make some good points. I'd like to take a look at her posts myself before deciding anything further. Why is Hallia also on your list?

 

Some of the main people in conversation with Mish are now dead. If anything, it might give some info on  the couple others on her vote list from earlier. The same info can be obtained by lynching Lily too, just saying. My vote is more on scum vibe than for info.

 

Also, my case on Hallia is in the post just before the one where I vote Lily

[LilyElizabeth]

I'm going to have to make time to go back and look. I already said I don't remember much of what went on before the craziness started. I do remember that Mish had quite a few votes on her, which is why I thought she'd give us information. I agree that my lynch would do the same. If y'all think that's the way to go, I don't really have any problem with it. 

 

Mish, I'll try to find time today to answer your question. 

[peacesells]

I'm going to have to make time to go back and look. I already said I don't remember much of what went on before the craziness started. I do remember that Mish had quite a few votes on her, which is why I thought she'd give us information. I agree that my lynch would do the same. If y'all think that's the way to go, I don't really have any problem with it. 

 

Mish, I'll try to find time today to answer your question. 

 

Info lynching is an easy excuse for scum to hide behind.  If I have my way I'm not letting anyone use that reasoning.  So, let's scum hunt as much as possible day 1.

[Alanna]

This ISO thing is a bitch with the Multiquote button not working for me.  Sigh.

[peacesells]

This ISO thing is a bitch with the Multiquote button not working for me.  Sigh.

 

Copy past is your friend then.  Do you need me to quote all her posts?

[Graendals favourite]

Ok, back on track, takes a few hours for me to refocus!

[Alanna]

Okay, it appears to be working in Multiquote.

 

Vote Ishy

 

That wasn't nice. *sits in Ishy's lap anyway*

 

Now I have to get used to voting in red. I'm not used to that. 

 

In response to Ishy's vote on her. Presumably their typical Day 1 joke votes on each other. 

 

*Checks everyone's pockets for crumbs*

 

Could be hinting at alignment, or maybe even role? Or maybe just a throwaday Day 1 comment; many others were talking about being hungry. I tend not to pay as much attention to posts like this, especially so early on in the game. 

 

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with Basel complimenting Cindy's cooking, and trying to make a game joke out of it. 

 

Des seems to be playing normally for either alignment, beating the grass for anything interesting.

 

I don't like Thorum's play, but Des said he's an early easy lynch based on his game style. I seem to remember him getting lynched early when we used to play years ago. 

 

Right now, I don't see anywhere I want to put a serious vote

 

Unvote Ishy

 

Somewhat of a defense of Basel (me) here; though I remember agreeing that people (Despo I think?) were making too much of Basel's comment there. Otherwise, a few comments that don't add up to much. I don't find this odd or suspicious, because this is pretty much how I play Day 1. I myself have trouble making much out of what usually looks like typical Day 1 shenanigans to me. I don't see the unvote as weird either - it was her usual joke vote, and she decided to remove it.

 

 

 

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with Basel complimenting Cindy's cooking, and trying to make a game joke out of it. 

 

Des seems to be playing normally for either alignment, beating the grass for anything interesting.

 

I don't like Thorum's play, but Des said he's an early easy lynch based on his game style. I seem to remember him getting lynched early when we used to play years ago. 

 

Right now, I don't see anywhere I want to put a serious vote

 

Unvote Ishy

 

Pretty fence-sitty.

 

FoS.

 

 

You're right. It is. But it's only day 1 and I don't usually get my teeth into a game until after day two. I'm trying to express more of my thoughts (which are still very neutral) because of Dap's posting requirement. You're just going to have to deal with it. 

 

 

Basically what I just said. I explained why I don't find it suspicious, like AJ did. Pretty much I just agree with her here. 

 

I'm actually liking Peace's case on Basel. I don't think I've ever agreed with him before. At least, not for a long time. I'm going to see how this develops before voting. 

 

Okay, so I believe peace's case on Basel (me) had to do with Basel seeming to not know anything about the bread loaves/starving part of the game, him maybe not getting such info in his role PM, because he had made a comment about being full from dinner or something. Obviously this case was eventually put to rest by the mod. This is the first comment of Lily's that pinges me for me a little, though it may just be because I found the case weak, even at the time - again, I find it weird that people attach so much significance to jokey bread comments (though I understand that it can be necessary on Day 1 to get stuff going).

 

I have to admit, Mish is looking scummy. I usually don't agree when people say she is, but it really does look like she's just trying to say something, anything, to look like she's in the game. I do that as confused town, so that might be it, but it feels like something more this time. 

 

Vote Mish

 

I.... dunno. See, this is one of those posts that pinges me for a little, but in a typical Lily Day 1 way for me, which is why I'm hesitant to assign too much attention to it. On the one hand, it seems like she's jumping on a train; on the other hand, Lily is usually too smart to do something so obvious as mafia. She does give a reason for jumping on the train.

 

 

Wombat's playing in this game? Totes forgot about that. Dude needs to get his behind in here.

I'll respond to Yates post later on, just stopping by real quick.

Right now I'd be WTL either Yates, AJ, or Mish. AJ's omgus on Mish was blech, but I still think that post from Mish could have been a snipe post. Also intrigued by Lily's last post- saying "I have to admit it, Mish is looking scummy" before voting her looks like it could be a reluctant bus vote.

Not a bus, just that she's usually viewed as scummy and I usually understand where she's coming from. This time, not so much. 

 

 

Hmm, I didn't see it as a reluctant bus vote; seems a little early for a bus vote to me. 

 

 

@AJ; The thing with Des and the PMs are a nulltell, he doesn't like breaking a game by using cheap mechanics, this isn't something new.

 

I also have three loaves, as should be clear already.

 

Also, Yates can be town for now for snapping up on that.

 

Mish's case for voting AJ was just lazy. Her refusing to admit it was lazy makes her look like she's afraid to give ground cause she thinks it will make her look scummy. Scum are more concerned with their in-thread impression than town for the most part cause scum-hunting can make people seem like they are reaching or being nit-picky. That said, it's unreasonable to refuse to give in on a point when multiple people are calling you on a logic fail or an inconsistency. This should be our vote today.

 

It's interesting how some things are generally pro-town, but can be abused to try and push people off trains. It's generally good for town to take their time especially with the early votes, but Mish claiming there is any sort of a rush to judgment on her because -- 1-no deadline (which existed at the time of her claim) 2-plenty of time left-- simply reeks of someone clawing, kicking and screaming to stall their train and avoid dying. There are only 4 votes on her and 8 are needed to lynch, I fail to see a rush to anything here.

 

 

 

I was responding to AJ who was chastising Des for trying to stall my train... If I'm the lynch today, so be it, but I don't want town to start D2 without as much interactions as we can possibly squeeze out of D1.

 

 

And honestly; because several people don't agree with me, I should drop my argument and move on? I think the mafia would love if that was the norm. So I should be lynched today because I refuse to drop an argument when I get a bit of resistance?

 

Didn't catch that; but yeah no rush at all, we should use the time we have.

 

And do you not think tounge in cheek was the point?

 

 

Oh I got that you were trying to be tongue in cheek, it just felt kinda staged to me, especially considering you were already pretty up in arms just a post or two before that. Makes your emotional reaction look less genuine.

 

 

In the meantime, I had chocolate and kitten-snuggles. Usually helps on my bad moods.

 

 

Jumping on the easy train I see, Lily.

Do you really think you are an "easy train?"

Anyway, who is the scum on your wagon? You just Town slipped like a boss [and no, I won't clarify].

 

 

AJ 60% sure, Lily 75% sure.

 

 

 

 

Jumping on the easy train I see, Lily.

Do you really think you are an "easy train?"

Anyway, who is the scum on your wagon? You just Town slipped like a boss [and no, I won't clarify].

 

 

Nah I gotcha.

 

Not speaking for Mish, but I'd say Lily or Des.

 

 

Lol you freaking kidding me? AJ is obviscum.

 

Pulling a 180 like that because someone else said Mish "townslipped", when you yourself were still going back and forth with her moments before.

 

Yeahhhh Unvote, Vote AJ

 

ALL ABOARD!

 

 

This guy gets it. Good catch.

 

 

Wombat's playing in this game? Totes forgot about that. Dude needs to get his behind in here.

I'll respond to Yates post later on, just stopping by real quick.

Right now I'd be WTL either Yates, AJ, or Mish. AJ's omgus on Mish was blech, but I still think that post from Mish could have been a snipe post. Also intrigued by Lily's last post- saying "I have to admit it, Mish is looking scummy" before voting her looks like it could be a reluctant bus vote.

Not a bus, just that she's usually viewed as scummy and I usually understand where she's coming from. This time, not so much. 

 

 

"I have to admit, Mish is looking scummy. I usually don't agree when people say she is, but it really does look like she's just trying to say something, anything, to look like she's in the game."

 

That quote is from the post you voted me in. There, you say you usually don't agree when people say I'm scummy... And now you say that you usually see why people call me scummy. Wich one is it?

 

 

Why are no more people voting Lily? I think competing trains between her and AJ would be very interesting.

You misread my second post. I said I see where YOU are coming from, normally. 

 

 

Here, just explaining where Mish misunderstood her post.

 

 

Lily, ok, fair enough. What are you thinking now after a few pages of back and forth?
 

I'm still watching, to be honest. I am very sympathetic to your illness and moodiness because of it, so I have to see past that. 

 

 

Seems like an honest answer, though it could be an attempt to lay low and see what direction others will go in first.

 

Ishy, you make me sad. I hadn't figured out that all townies had the same amount of bread. I'm still not entirely convinced that's the case. 

 

This was in response to Ishy's vote when he became oddly very certain that Mish was town. Which I still find odd, by the way. When asked about it, he first claimed it was because off Mish's supposed townslip about bread number. When it was pointed out to him that that had become a nultell, he changed his tune and said it was a gut feeling - but apparently still a very certain one. Sorry, I know this is supposed to be comments about Lily, but i just reread that and found it really weird. Anyhow, as to Lily's comment here, well, again, a legitimate response, I think, even before we got more info from the mod about the number of bread loaves. I wouldn't have assumed at any point that town players would all have the same number of bread.

 

Here's hoping this post works. This is the first half of the game - more to come.

[Alanna]

I got Multiquote working in Google Chrome, just FYI. It wasn't working in IE for some reason.

[Alanna]

I'm still getting a mafia vibe from Mish and Basel. (I take a lot of heat for being an instinctive, rather than a logical, player, but that's what I feel.)

 

I can go either way on Des and Yates. Ishy, too, for that matter. 

 

And guys, the WOTs are bad enough, but when they aren't even game related, that's way too much. Didn't read. Don't care. Please don't. Thx. 

 

Again - it's hard to me to take her gut feeling pinges as scummy. I go a lot by gut instinct too. And usually end up regretting it when I don't. At any rate, her talk of vibes is nothing unusual for her, mafia or town. This is a typical Day 1 post for Lily. Agree about the WOTs, which I hate. Even when they are game related, I hate them. People should learn to be concise.

 

Andrej, that vote just gave me a solid town read on you. If you were scum, you wouldn't have an issue with distracting posts. 

 

I did think this was really weird, and seemed like kind of naive comment from Lily, if she is town. AJ seemed like a smart enough player to me to bring up distracting posts as a reason to go after Despo, whatever his alignment. And I think both town and scum players alike can find distracting posts annoying, even if distraction can benefit the mafia sometimes. So I did read this comment a little as buddying.

 

 

 

I would say it's more likely that between Yates, Des and Ishy there is at least one mafia, who's hoping to make me and the others defending me look bad if they get caught.

 

I've been thinking the same thing for a while now, although not for the same reason you give. I'm leaning Des, but I have more catching up to do before I change my vote. 

 

 

Hmm, wish she had explained what her reasons were, then, unless it was more gut feelings. Her ambiguous comments, while typical for her, are starting to add up a little here - but then, she says she needs to catch up, so that might explain it. 

 

Okay. Caught up. I was wrong. The three that I think we'll find scum among are Des, Yates, and AJ. I've already said I think AJ is town. I'm really liking Yates' case on Des, not that there is that much to it, but my gut says he's on to something with that aristocrat stuff. 

 

Mish, you can say my posts are all fluff, but I've posted more on day one than I usually do. Point to ONE GAME in the last year where I dig my teeth in before night two. There isn't one. Yes, I've been playing for years, but I'm not that good a scumhunter, even so. I need some background to go on, and a flip or two. Jack brought out the best in me, and I admit I was a better player when he was around. 

 

Anyway... Vote Des

 

Here she defends herself by bringing up to Mish what I've already said about her. Sorry, but the fact that Mish is going after her for this makes me find her more scummy than Lily. Mish has played with Lily enough to know that this isn't odd behavior for Lily on Day 1. 

 

I am curious why Lily says she thinks Yates, AJ, or Despo could be scum, but then rules out AJ and Yates right away. I'm assuming she had some earlier reason for leaning towards those 3 and then decided she could rule 2 of them out. Still, she never gave that earlier reason.

 

And also, all the non-game related stuff has made this game harder to follow than most. So, yeah, my posts aren't going to be deep for a while. 

 

Agreed. A lot of tl;dr in this game, especially in the latter half of Day 1.

 

 

After all that's gone on, I've forgotten what I thought about any of you before. I was focused on the Yates/Des/AJ stuff, I'm sure. I also feel that Mish's lynch will give us the best info. 

 

Vote Mish

 

This was first post after the reset. Didn't find this suspicious obviously; she agreed with me.

I'm going to have to make time to go back and look. I already said I don't remember much of what went on before the craziness started. I do remember that Mish had quite a few votes on her, which is why I thought she'd give us information. I agree that my lynch would do the same. If y'all think that's the way to go, I don't really have any problem with it. 

 

Mish, I'll try to find time today to answer your question. 

 

Her being willing to be lynched think even more that she's town. Lily does not play like that when she's scum; she'd be more proactive with people going after her.

 

Welp, there we go. Honestly, what I learned most from this ISO is that Lily and I are a lot alike when it comes to Day 1. Sorry, but I think a lot of the scum reads people are getting off from her is for her gut feelings and "fluff" posts, but I've played with Lily A LOT and this is how she plays Day 1, pretty much all the time. And I'm sympathetic, because that's typically how I play Day 1, too. So I just don't find that scummy. There were a few things in there I found weird - most especially her comment about AJ being town because he made a comment against distraction - but even that seems like a minor thing. I wouldn't be TOTALLY against lynching Lily, but I think I'd still prefer a Mish lynch. I think both could give us some info, but I have more of a scum read from Mish than Lily right now. 

 

I'd like to some more of this ISO stuff on a couple other people if I get the chance, but I'm afraid I'm going to have go offline for a few hours now; I have some work to do. I will keep checking in and will try to answer any questions/comments shot my way.

[LilyElizabeth]

I'm sorry, Alanna. I wasn't clear. I meant that there would be likely one scum among the three of them. And I believe it was Des.

[LilyElizabeth]

I'm rereading and I'm thinking Basel comes off as scummy, but Alanna came in sounding totally town. Confusing? Uh huh. 

[LilyElizabeth]

Not sure how much time I have, so I'll post the beginnings of my Mish thoughts now. 

 

 

 

Because her agreeing with my question of Mish tells me that her thoughts are in-line with mine, which is a good sign considering my alignment.

 

This is the post you tie yourself to her. You didn't just say "I feel she is town". You are saying she is the same alignement as you, more or less. Wich means that if she gets lynched before you and is town, you get town cred. If you get lynched first, that points a finger at her.

 

 

This, which she says multiple times, seems to be making something out of nothing. We all gave town reads, which is all I took his comment as. 

 

 

 

Mish's case for voting AJ was just lazy. Her refusing to admit it was lazy makes her look like she's afraid to give ground cause she thinks it will make her look scummy. Scum are more concerned with their in-thread impression than town for the most part cause scum-hunting can make people seem like they are reaching or being nit-picky. That said, it's unreasonable to refuse to give in on a point when multiple people are calling you on a logic fail or an inconsistency. This should be our vote today.

 

It's interesting how some things are generally pro-town, but can be abused to try and push people off trains. It's generally good for town to take their time especially with the early votes, but Mish claiming there is any sort of a rush to judgment on her because -- 1-no deadline (which existed at the time of her claim) 2-plenty of time left-- simply reeks of someone clawing, kicking and screaming to stall their train and avoid dying. There are only 4 votes on her and 8 are needed to lynch, I fail to see a rush to anything here.

 

My thoughts exactly, upon my reread. Okay. Back to it...

[LilyElizabeth]

Reread up to when chaos hit. These are my opinions on everyone.

 

01. Mish - scum
02. Peace – back and forth. Leaning town at the moment
04. Ishy – leaning scum. His conviction that Mish is town, and his votes on AJ and me.
05. Lily - town
06. Thorum – He’s always hard to read. Need more time
07. Elf – Is she in the game?
08. Hally – Not enough content
09. Wombat Krak – not enough content
10. Pral – Neutral at the moment
13. Golden Turin – town read because Golden’s reads match mine.
14. Basel Alanna – Basel felt scum but Alanna feels town. Withhold judgment for now.
15. Graendals Fav – Is he in the game?

[LilyElizabeth]

Sorry for the multiple postings, but one more thing...

 

On Ishy, when I say his votes on AJ and me, I mean that I know I'm town and thought AJ was, too. 

[peacesells]

Good stuff Alanna.  Thanks for doing that.

[peacesells]

Reread up to when chaos hit. These are my opinions on everyone.

02. Peace – back and forth. Leaning town at the moment

 

 

I think you and I are polar opposites when it comes to mafia.  I find you scummy early every single game we play together.  This game included.  But knowing my tendency towards you I am not going after you early.  I will take a wait and see approach and ignore my scumdar vibes I have on you a bit.

 

That being said..seeing others reactions to your play can be telling/helpful.  That is why I asked Alanna to do an ISO. 

[michellem]

@mish, my statement should have read that you are pushing for takes from others while refusing to take a stand on the players involved in the biggest back and forth of the game. That being Yates AJ and Despo.

 

Also, we can't just act like they didn't exist on this game. 20% of the players just vanished. I think that it is important to attempt to determine what they were as it makes a potentially huge difference in the numbers at this point.

 

Finally, meta defense noted.

 

Alanna, how will mish's flip give information on.me/GE?

 

We won't figure out their alignements before we get more flips anyway, so it's a moot point to discuss now.

 

And yes, meta defense. I'm reacitonary, there's nothing new or mindblowing about that. It's how I play. Might as well use Des' general emo as a scumtell for him. It's a nulltell.

 

I'd rather lynch you than me to get info on you. Golden's tunneling on me was... I don't even have words.

 

 

Because GE was on Mish's initial lynch train, and was involved in what went down during that part of the game - not as much as our 3 modkills were, but he was involved.

 

Not only on my train, but not even willing to look at anyone else or listen to my counter-arguments.

 

 

 

The other thing is definitely Lily jumping on Mish 

 

 

I have to admit, Mish is looking scummy. I usually don't agree when people say she is, but it really does look like she's just trying to say something, anything, to look like she's in the game. I do that as confused town, so that might be it, but it feels like something more this time. 

 

Vote Mish

 

 

And, she is still continuing to do that. The info lynch comment was very weak 

 

 

After all that's gone on, I've forgotten what I thought about any of you before. I was focused on the Yates/Des/AJ stuff, I'm sure. I also feel that Mish's lynch will give us the best info. 

 

Vote Mish

 

 

Not liking this at all. I am not sure how she is an info lynch with so few posts that focused on her issue.

 

Lily and Hallia are my top suspects now. 

 

vote Lily

 

 

Well Pral voted Lily's first vote on me wich is what made me react to her in the first place. I'll make a nice little list:

-It's a weak vote and an easy vote, and she's also leaving herself an out for when I flip town.

-Then it seemed like she tried to soft buddy me by bringing up my RL and being sympathetic.

-Her follow-up posts were pretty fence-sitting and she didn't want to make hard statements.

-Even when being asked (twice, now) what the case on me is, she hasn't responded.

 

 

I do to a certain degree understand having problems on D1, I used to be a bad D1 player too, but I've managed to change. And I don't like her avoiding direct questions and not seeming to be willing to give hard statements at all.

[michellem]

Now, another direction I'm very interested in going in is Golden/Turin. It annoys me very much that Golden asked to be replaced. I'm gonna have to give Turin some time to feel him out and if they indeed are mafia he'll probably act very nice now to make up for all the mistakes Golden did. Those two (Lily and GoldenTurin) were my strongest mafia reads and I still stand by them.

[LilyElizabeth]

 

Well Pral voted Lily's first vote on me wich is what made me react to her in the first place. I'll make a nice little list:

-It's a weak vote and an easy vote, and she's also leaving herself an out for when I flip town.

-Then it seemed like she tried to soft buddy me by bringing up my RL and being sympathetic.

-Her follow-up posts were pretty fence-sitting and she didn't want to make hard statements.

-Even when being asked (twice, now) what the case on me is, she hasn't responded.

 

 

I do to a certain degree understand having problems on D1, I used to be a bad D1 player too, but I've managed to change. And I don't like her avoiding direct questions and not seeming to be willing to give hard statements at all.

 

 

Mish, you're trying too hard. I did give my thoughts on you. I don't like the way you keep trying to turn nothing into something. It looks like you are saying "lynch anybody but me" or in other words, flailing. 

 

And I don't go around being a bitch (didn't call you one, by the way, so don't go there) in mafia. I speak gently for the most part. Haven't you ever noticed that about me? I find that hard to believe. 

[Turin Turambar]

 

@mish, my statement should have read that you are pushing for takes from others while refusing to take a stand on the players involved in the biggest back and forth of the game. That being Yates AJ and Despo.

 

Also, we can't just act like they didn't exist on this game. 20% of the players just vanished. I think that it is important to attempt to determine what they were as it makes a potentially huge difference in the numbers at this point.

 

Finally, meta defense noted.

 

Alanna, how will mish's flip give information on.me/GE?

 

We won't figure out their alignements before we get more flips anyway, so it's a moot point to discuss now.

 

And yes, meta defense. I'm reacitonary, there's nothing new or mindblowing about that. It's how I play. Might as well use Des' general emo as a scumtell for him. It's a nulltell.

 

I'd rather lynch you than me to get info on you. Golden's tunneling on me was... I don't even have words.

 

 

Because GE was on Mish's initial lynch train, and was involved in what went down during that part of the game - not as much as our 3 modkills were, but he was involved.

 

Not only on my train, but not even willing to look at anyone else or listen to my counter-arguments.

 

 

 

The other thing is definitely Lily jumping on Mish 

 

 

 

I have to admit, Mish is looking scummy. I usually don't agree when people say she is, but it really does look like she's just trying to say something, anything, to look like she's in the game. I do that as confused town, so that might be it, but it feels like something more this time. 

 

Vote Mish

 

 

And, she is still continuing to do that. The info lynch comment was very weak 

 

 

 

After all that's gone on, I've forgotten what I thought about any of you before. I was focused on the Yates/Des/AJ stuff, I'm sure. I also feel that Mish's lynch will give us the best info. 

 

Vote Mish

 

 

Not liking this at all. I am not sure how she is an info lynch with so few posts that focused on her issue.

 

Lily and Hallia are my top suspects now. 

 

vote Lily

 

 

Well Pral voted Lily's first vote on me wich is what made me react to her in the first place. I'll make a nice little list:

-It's a weak vote and an easy vote, and she's also leaving herself an out for when I flip town.

-Then it seemed like she tried to soft buddy me by bringing up my RL and being sympathetic.

-Her follow-up posts were pretty fence-sitting and she didn't want to make hard statements.

-Even when being asked (twice, now) what the case on me is, she hasn't responded.

 

 

I do to a certain degree understand having problems on D1, I used to be a bad D1 player too, but I've managed to change. And I don't like her avoiding direct questions and not seeming to be willing to give hard statements at all.

 

Response to me:

1.) My point was you were avoiding taking a stand on them BEFORE they were killed. It was just a series of "gah, it does my head in" and such. We won't ever KNOW what they were(at least until the game is over) but I do think it is important to see where people stand on them. And before we see anymore flips. I stated my opinion. Why won't you give yours? It isn't like you can be linked to them any more than you were before.

 

2.) . Using meta as a defense. You do not get to do it. that is for others to determine. You are just trying to sluff it off like it is nothing(much like your cases)

 

3.) Tunneling: that is an interesting choice of words. I am often called for tunneling. TBH I don't buy it. I see it as a conviction in my belief. I actually thought that much of golden's case on you was worth looking into. There has been NO evidence to date that shows you are obviously town so why are you above suspicion? 

 

Response to Alanna: How do you know what he was willing to consider? I don't. you yourself said that if you believe you are right that you shouldn't back down. So why should he, or me, or anyone else just because you are the person being suspected. NO ONE is above suspicion at this point in the game. 

 

 

Pral/Lily stuff:

You reacted because Pral voted her? What did that have to do with anything? If He hadn't voted would you have let it go?

Why are you an easy vote? Why was her vote weak? If you are an easy vote that means there must be some justification for voting you.

I think that the sympathy about RL happened before the voting. Could also be wrong about that. 

Fence sitting. What was your take on the biggest blow up of the game? You were embroiled in there through a portion of that. Nothing to say on any of it now?