[Basic] Christmas Mentors & Maffia

[Turin Turambar]

MOD, Is the VC correct. It shows 2 votes on Hoof, but only Krak is voting him?

[csarmi]

Corrected. For future reference, there are no vote sheenanigans (as this is a basic game) so if it looks like I messed up it's probably cause I did.

[Turin Turambar]

Thanks Csarmi. 

 

Bedtime for me see ya all in the morning

[GoldeneyesND]

Home now, here are some thoughts. It may take a while cause of the quotes. I will likely break up this post. I did try to cut down on most of the quotes by simply noting post numbers.

 

1- Peace (52 posts)- Scum. Most of them are a sentence or two and his game is obviously to poke and prod and get responses. This is his meta, but I admit it irks me. There are several people on DM who potshot a bunch and since they are established players, expect people to defer and give extra weight to their “reads.” They use this to lecture people on how the game should be played, like he does @184. It’s WAY too easy to manipulate this expected deference by new players, but I’d be lying if I say I wouldn’t do it if I could. I fell prey to this my first game with Peace and he turned out to be the GF. Flippant responses are dickish by nature, don't hide behind lecturing other people if you;re using them, own up to it. 

 

I don't care if you don't want to answer a direct question cause that's gameplay, this is not what I'm talking about here.

 

 

 

 

 

##vote elf

So someone said you start every game with "yo" which means you're aware of your own meta which means you're probably not a very adept player (no offense intended) since you have a gimmick to cover yourself. Why are you me-too-ing Cloud's vote without any prior commentary or justification? If anyone has the right to be second in line here, it's me. Pls explain

 
Probably because I'm not a very adept player.  Really, why are you asking questions you've already answered for yourself?

Uh... that's the cue for you to explain your vote. Go on. We won't bite!

 

 

Why is it necessary to regurgitate Cloud's reasons? 

 

 

 

This is BS. You didn't answer her and now you're trying to be too cool for school. If you don't want to answer tell someone to take a hike, you have your reasons.

 

 

## vote peace you still haven't explained why you voted for me? I don't min you voting for me, so much as not giving a reason.

Btw, why nolder leelou?

 

then you need to re-read. 

 

 

 

"Strong scum vibe" for doing what he's doing right now in this post

 

I take what is said in game as game play.  Doesn't mean I can't do the same Nolder.  You are way too immature to stand on any high horse. 

 

 

Strong scum vibe from Nolder for his trying to tell people how to play stance.  Major scum tell. 

 

 

 

His vote on me is based on meta @305, which in this game is less than worthless. His read on Theo was decent, then tries to nudge me some more saying my “going into hiding” is suspect. Well, I’m was at the beach. I was there for 2 days. I just came home and will be going to a different beach on Monday, I’m on vacation. I will participate and read as much as I can when at the beach, but you’re not going to see me posting walls of text and quotes when I’m not home. I find that hiding post like a stretch, there are plenty of people who haven’t posted much, so don’t use inactivity to justify your vote on me. In short, I think he's taking advantage of his perceived OG status here, cause he's posting, but its all lazy analysis and lecturing. For example, this quote is far below his usual standards for gameplay:

 

 

To anyone who reads English it's obvious Tommy is saying just that. Peace is misrepping his words and hoping Tommy will hang himself with a poor justification.  It's transparent and weak because of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you're town you can prove it to me by going after actual scum

 

 

Now that is an interesting statement. 

 

 

 

 

you do understand the conundrum there if Turin is town, right?

Explain

 

 

You are implying that if he doesn't find scum then he is scum.  If he is town, he is uninformed.  Conundrum.  Catch22.  Heading down a 1 way dead end street.

 

 

 

We're voting for each other but what he's said makes sense if I turn my brain 25 degrees. So maybe he thinks he's right and I think I'm right and this is some hot town on town action. I'll let him prove his alignment to me through scumhunting but as it stands it looks like he's tunneling on me for some reason... which I do not qualify as scumhunting. QED.

If I'm wrong on both of ya then it's no big deal -- I'll adjust after a re-read. Every interaction is a useful interaction as far as solving the game goes. Even if I am way off, the way people respond to it will be telling later in the game

 

I don't disagree with anything you say here.  And I think his vote on you has a lot of OMGUS influencing it.  But your comments in this quote do not explain that statement you made.

 

You've basically pigeon holed him into only finding scum or else he is scum.  If he is town, then he is uninformed and may lead a town lynch.  Way did you make a statement that only gives one option?

 

If you meant you want to see him scumhunting, then why didn't you just say that?

 

 

 

 

 

2 - Cloud (61 posts) Null- Super bossy and I dislike it A LOT. I’ll put up the disclaimer from the start that I get aggro when anyone tries to tell me what to do and so I’m most likely biased against him cause he annoys me for the following posts. :

 

1- LMAO. Am I supposed to care what you think of her case? There are literally no words for how ridiculous this post is. Never tell me what to do. I don't know who you think you are, but you don't have credit stored in this bank, I have zero reasons to respect your reads or game and it completely colored my reading of the rest of your posts when I went to ISO. I don't know why you think you're going to "lead" the town cause I don't see a line forming to follow your sage wisdom. 

2- Now that's ridiculous. We will get info from every lynch.

3- Seriously? Now you're a community organizer? <<shakes head>>

 

1 

Golden, move your vote from Effie. She is town. I also have no idea what you are trying to accomplish by chasing after her in the first place after I stopped casing her.

2

Lazy votes on Hallia are lazy. We won't get any info from her lynch.

3

Is thera any chance you might consider moving your vote to Turin?

 

 

Spends around 8 posts tunneling Elf and then declares she has convinced him she’s town. That’s fair enough cause at least he’s not afraid to back down. He’s locked in on Elf, then Nolder, then Turin and I don’t like half his arguments or the logic behind them.

 

See below

 

 

I wasn't twisting, just following a possible line of thought and knowledge of possible strategies I might use if I were mafia. I kinda glad cloud disagrees, as it means I still some nice devious thought processes left

And the tone, that was night one, this day one, it scumhunting time 

You seem a little unsure about yourself. Also, isn't it twisting when you if you read his actions by looking at what YOU might do in his place if you were mafia instead of just taking it at face value?

 

Oh and yeah, I don't think analysing first posts on day one is helpful except to give scum reads on easy lynchs

 

There aren't any easy lynches in this game.

 

 

This is beyond ridiculous. Trust someone to mean what they say in this game? Understand their grammar maybe (looking at you peace) but don't trust what they're saying by taking it at face value. There's not even a reason to misrep with this guy, he WANTS to believe what you say. Gameplay in this game comes from questioning reasons.

 

Theory behind this post: Scum are afraid to OMGUS.... How does this make sense? It's the easiest early game vote to distance yourself from next to a joke vote. You'll catch some flak, but you can get away with it and maybe a train starts off of your vote.

 

 

 

I didn't feel it was enough to vote on, but it was/is enough to poke with a stick, and also get day one going further than merry Xmas posts.

Elf is using the classic "his play was scummy but it wasn't enough to vote him" scum tactic.
 

Also what tommyrod said peace, explanation?

 
And also notice how she is trying to shift the attention towards to Peace who voted for her after it was already explained that his lack of reasoning isn't anything out of the ordinary. Her prod towards Peace and her later vote on him means means that she is afraid of OMGUSing me. A townie would be less self-conscious about her votes than she has been thus far.

 

 

 

Hey, you're pretty cool, disregard your read and follow me

 

 

Personal attacks after I put doubt on you isn't very Christmaslike :(

It's not very town like either

##Vote Peaceinthemiddleeast
 

 

I only agree with you about his touchy attitude in this game, but the rest is null. Do something useful and follow me on Elf instead.

 

 

This guy is all over the place. I honestly can’t tell if he’s scum or just completely clueless and trying really hard. Asks for a deadline @372, which I actually agree with as it promotes people taking the game more seriously (like me), but is generally viewed as a scum tactic, limiting time for town to discuss.

 

I REALLY don’t like his exchange with Blackhoof @384. It comes off as desperate for townie cred e.g. “why aren’t you giving me credit for so and so when you give hime credit for it?!” I don’t disagree with the logic there especially, but it comes off as needy and rubs me the wrong way. In short, I don't like his gameplay, but I'm unwilling to label him scum atm.

 

 

3 - Krak (23 posts) Town. Not really a ton of content, but I find a couple of his posts to address specific points and follow consistent logic when they’re substantive. It helps that I agree with his logic. @238-9, 246-7 are the posts that gave me a town read just FYI. 

[GoldeneyesND]

5 - TommyRod (73 posts)- Town Super annoying and over-the-top obnoxious playing style. OP analysis is absolutely laughable, I don’t care what you believe. I can deal with the cocky , but cussing on a site where it’s pretty much banned is straight garbage and it makes you look like a kid trying to impress people. If you’re town and you get kicked off DM for cussing or modkilled, that’s really selfish and weak. That said, I see him as aggressively scumhunting, even if he does spam.

 

He has one single post that's worth looking at, the rest are meh for the most part.

Analysis below is color coded

 

Green- Agree

Brown- This is Doo Doo (disagree)

I have added thoughts in BOLD and have cut a lot of what I consider fluff or irrelevant for my purposes here

 

Updated to be current

 

01 - Peace

The meta-aware opening of "yo" in #13.  He gets snarky as poop when I question that move, and makes an art out of dodging my question for a while. Very uncomfortable with the continuation of dodging, particularly in #127 with "why is it necessary to regurgitate Cloud's reasons?" This one pings me harder the second time, because town should know why they're doing what they're doing. It should roll right off the tongue because they have an organic thought process. They develop suspicions and act on them. Yet Peace has difficulty articulating any reasoning for his vote on Elf. No bueno. This is articulated better than how I said it

 

When I ask if this is normal behavior, Cloud and Leelou both say yes. It doesn't mean I am going to give him a free pass for that, though. Peace gets uber snarky when I ask for more detail from other players on his play. Then he backtracks and says I'm very town in #151... 

 

Peace attacking my "you can show me you're town by scumhunting" comment in #198 by trying to spin it as pigeon-holing Turin smells like crap on second read. I've never had someone do that to me before and it doesn't even make sense. But that aside, it stinks because Peace and Turin have had no interaction with each other yet both have defended each other... why would they both be assuming I am scum and they are town? This only makes sense if they are masons or mafia. I'm guessing the latter based on their refusal to be transparent and dissect the gameplay within the thread, 

 

02 - Cloud (mentored by Darthe)

I like that Cloud was beaten into reason by Elf and calls her town in #272 so I think Cloud is my strongest town read so far. Voting for Turin is icing on the cake.

 

I don't see how she won him over.                                                                                ^^^ if this is your strongest, you need to do a better job.

 

06 - Leelou (mentored by Wombat)

Leelou spot on when she says Elf is beating a dead horse and Hoof is just making consensus reads. Strong town read, like Cloud.

 

13 - BlackHoof

Weak opening in #8 and #11. I'm not a fan of the cthulu jokey stuff. Post #51 just reeks of bullpoop trying-too-hard-to-be-harmless stuff. He outright ignores any attempts at discussing the game so 

 

 

 

That post and @317 are why I think he's town. I think he's misguided town obviously in some instances, but town for trying.

 

6 - Leelou (45 posts)-  Town. She’s on what I’ve seen is her town meta. Most of her posts are fluff and one-liners and I always think that’s scummy, but I’ve never played with her when she’s scum, so I don’t know how she plays differently there. I did find her point about Turin possibly just disliking Tommy personally interesting @319. I don’t know that it’s likely but it’s something I hadn’t considered, which does make me lean town on her cause it shows me she’s some analysis into her reading and not just reacting to what was said. I also agree with her points @298.

 

7 - Theodora (7 posts)- Scum read. 4- fluff posts 3 actual gameplay including a terrible list of “reads.” Asking why Turin is against Tommy and Cloud was super lazy, he’s already explained at length. Out of everything in the thread she chooses to write fluff on me as the second longest paragraph of her “analysis.” Afraid with me and Despo as a team “we were lost?” You mean scum? Cause from what she says, I’m playing terribly, so you either started the game presuming I was scum, or you are scum who slipped. Either is telling. 3rd on my train at the time of her vote  . 

 

8- Eiffern (30 posts) Still Scum.

I dislike her whyme fryme, which seems to be a thing she likes to do. Not everyone plays the same, so it took me a sec to see her style. That said, I will vote whyme fryme when I see it because I think it is a good general indicator of defensive behavior. To answer your questions 1- not necessarily, cause Cloud doesn’t really have a lot of pull 2- I think Peace annoyed you when he refused to answer your questions 3- I believed you gave reasons you believed at the time were legit, but I don’t think they were your real reasons, so denying omgus would be a lie. You’ve spent like 80% of the game defending your play and very little doing anything else. For a moment I thought it was a gambit to trap Peace, then you unvoiced him, which means you’ve wasted most of your posts in this game just trying to remove votes from yourself and not actively scumhunting. I’ll give you a chance to help yourself though. If you can answer the following to my liking I’ll reconsider my vote, cause at this stage since we have a deadline I'm not going to just park my vote on you out of principle. 

1- How has your activity this game been pro-town?

2- Do you think you have been actively scumhunting? How so?

 

9 - Hallia (8 posts)- Null leaning scum. 6 posts are fluff and 2 are just commenting on the game. There’s literally nothing to go on. She does this a lot and I think it's anti-town until she picks things up. 

 

10 - BFG - Innocent Child (19 posts) 

 

11 - Via- (1 post) I have nothing to say here yet

[GoldeneyesND]

12 - Nolder (29 posts)- Scum. He’s another one that’s all over the place. I dislike nudging without voting like he does with Cloud several times but most notably @181. If you really want to pressure someone and you think they’re scummy, why not vote them to pressure more? I do like his reaction to Peace @180.

 

I'm running a bit out of steam here, I've been Iso'ing for a couple hours and it's late.

 

13 - BlackHoof (12 posts)- Town. I don't think this guy is very self-aware when he posts and I think it costs him. Suffice to say I think he's not very effective town.  

 

14 - Turin (24 posts)- Scum. I understand some people are more sensitive than others, but the sensitive ones that refuse to admit they are sensitive frustrate me. I agree with Leelou here, I think Turin is looking for a reason to vote out someone he doesn't like."you suck at mafia" is not a personal attack, it is a value statement of one person's perception of anthers play within a game that is inherently subjective. I don't personally care what anyone says about me in any game and I think it's naive to believe people will not target your emotions knowing you dislike personal pressure, because it is likely to yield result. And I am personally offended by any comparison to Despo, who only aspires to the level of emo I am capable of . For all your sensitivity to personal attacks, you do seem to like calling people "poor imitations"- you may want to google irony #392, @400, @434.  I actually had a town read on you until this post, which was terribad. I cut out the first half, which you can just look up if you want more context

 

 

2.Think about this. Who knows the alignment of more players? Town or mafia? So who is more likely to be able to point and say that someone is of a particular alignment? And having town reads that you are too confident of in early game is very dangerous. it leads to following which leads to sheeping which leads to mislynches.The other problem I have with the out of the blue "player X is town" post is that it is worthless unless you actually provide real reasons. The first problem is that you could be WRONG.. you say that player X is town, you get killed and people start thinking that since you were town and thought they were town then they are likely town. point of discussion it is fine but I try to erase those posts when I see them. Why do you think Leelou is tow or did you just make it up? 

 

3. Those were only 2 examples that immediately came to mind. there are many mre if one wants to go look. The point is that if town lets the first person to jump up and wants to lead do so they are setting themselves up for failure. you need to vet your leaders first and then see where they lead. to follow blindly is foolish IMO  You only have 1 vote do not give it to someone else to use. Town is a team they do not need someone telling them who to vote and who not to vote. I guess I don't like the town captain thing at all. If they are heading the wrong way and get killed town is too likely going to continue on following the last woshes of the dead leader. He must have been on the right track so mafia killed him right?

 

4. your interactions with Tommy do not seem like natural town interactions for early D1. it was too immediate and to trusting. a complete web of trust as Dap would say. Maybe it is just me but I don't trust anyone that early, that much. (well except ithi in interest of full disclosure but that is because she will be investigated and/or killed early in most games) But your other actions like the appearance of pushing the mod for a deadline which usually helps mafia work to get a mislynch and the cheerleading do not sit right. As to defending, I believe that a very big part of the "case" on me was that I was defending Peace while IMO I was pointing out that i thought the initial comment from Tommy that Peace was no very adept was very much an attack. So in the words of Rambo "they drew First Blood". then for Tommy to get huffy about Peace's retort about ego felt off. Good for the goose and good for the gander.

 

5. I thought this was D1 of a mafia game? you look for any slip that you can find. Someone I believe said that mafia was nit picking.(I find it a little odd that you use that particular phrase as that is the same phrase that Tommy has used. maybe it was set out as a talking point in your QT).So only some are allowed to do it. very well will you give me a list of who is allowed to pick nit and parse words and so forth. As well as against whom we are allowed to this to. kthx.

 Nitpicking is a common word and a very appropriate one to use in that situation. This is reaching.

 

6. blow your own horn much? "I am the greatest", LOL. post count doesn't mean squat once it is at an acceptable level. And it could easily be argued that your high post count is a sign of you trying to push lynches(mislynches) and get thru to N1 so you and the rest of your team can use your given gifts. It is what you have said that makes me question your motivation. You did ask the MOD for a deadline. you have made the obligatory "when we gonna get today's lynch done?" post. So your attempt to give yourself the title greatest scumhunter is denied. especially since you are currently voting a townie. As to Nolder, I don't agree that you should try to vote merely for pressure but the point of you pushing the day along was valid IMO for the other reasons I gave not for the fact that you pushed hard on someone.

 

---

 

9.  Wrong read above about you. Leelou has done some things herself to give me a mafia feel. the hanging on tothe Nolder vote well past the time it was warranted. hell even she said she wasn't trying to get him lynched. since then she has also just follwed Nolder onto a low poster in the attempt to get post out of them. This is actually the same type of activity that I decried in my opinion on Nolder. that her vote isn't really a vote to lynch but to achieve some other goal. possibly as simple as parking her vote. (which is what she accused me of BTW even tho I have been fairly adamant in my conviction that Tommy is possible mafia and bears closer watching)

FOS'ing without voting. I don't like it.

 

10. See above. Your eagerness shows by your other actions. Nolder using your hard push of a case against elf  was incorrect and I stated it as such. I do find that your 180 on her is a bit odd. You were trying to convince everyone to vote her and now she is so town that you are defending her hard. On D1? it does seem a stretch. Oh and I always keep my story straight as mafia. That is why Darthe always says I'm town. lol

 

11. care to put your money where your mouth is? tell me definitively who the 3(or 4) anti-town people are right now. Tell me in order how we should vote them. Once you are wrong about someone you volunteer to be the next day's lynch. If you are as good as you think then you will either be dead in the next two nights or the game will be over quickly. If you keep going after me and agree then you will be dead tomorrow. (Here is where he calls it a martyr play and no townie would do such a thing...)

That's just pretty gross. Waiting to see how many days you could wait to NK? Cause that's how it comes off. Then straight up threatens.

This is starting to feel like flailing and for no reason at all. The dude has 1 vote on him and I picture him slowly sobbing into a paper towel.

 

12' so mafia together then? LMAO  or maybe you just buddied up to him and his ego fell for it. 

 

So where is the actual case on my mafianess again? it merely looks like you disagree with what I am saying about Tommy and yourself. And Leelou also. The rest is mostly you defending yourself. TBH you look a lot like me when I am mafia and Ithi is town. follow along and be good. hide in the leaders baffles. then when the mislynches add up point at him as the one leading the town astray. It is easy as long as the leader buys in. At least until you have to choose between losing a teammate for cred or disagreeing with the leader.

 

##unvote

 

give me your list if you agree to the terms

 

 

IMO that post was so much fail that I gotta put him in the scum column, cause he seems intelligent enough not to be incompetent town. I'm kinda annoyed cause I had Turin as a strong town read up until this post. Turin, do you stand by everything here? Why did you seem to go aggro all of a sudden? 

[elffern]

[1- How has your activity this game been pro-town?

 

2- Do you think you have been actively scumhunting? How so?

2) firstly; a. I did start out with the best of intentions. b. This is my first game (with you guys) so I don't have meta on any, and do have to wait for some posts to actually analyse.

 

But those are really just excuses, Probably not as actively as I would like, well not anywhere near that, I've been very distracted by cloud (it was fun, but always felt town on town) and peace, possibly to the extent of tunnelling on peace (I just wanted one straight out answer).

 

1) .. This one feels like an interview question o.O , I liked to think I helped started D1 off sooner than it might have(maybe it would have anyway, but heh), which gets us more information. I managed not to (imo) devolve the me cloud thing into an omgusing female crufts festival. Asking peace for more information, Information is how the town win, and its the best thing we have to go on, or alert to my mind it is .. I've seen people disagree with this (peace in fact I think?). Maybe I could have done more. Heh coulda shoulda woulda though. I defiantly don't feel I've been anti town, as far as I can see

 

 

I am currently doing a reread however, hence why I've gone a little quieter (at reply ≈ #300 (with notes and everything )), this is gunna be pretty basic, but leaning Turin , nolder : scum (turin's responses seem ... searching and not actually based on much , nolder .. I just get this off vibe, still working on explaining it, I think its the fluff content) leaning town; toddy, to a lesser extent cloud (the backing down thing is throwing me on cloud.. I didn't feel like I had argued him into defeat?, toddy, typical aggressive town play feel), if I had to vote right now probably Turin, nolder, Theo, Halle, peace, order = most vote worthy (more detailed stuff to follow after finishing the next 200 replies)

[csarmi]

Please do not quote from other games. In case of games that have already finished, feel free to reference them if it suits your agenda.

[Elaevia]

@ Turin - I thought you didn't like it when people put themselves down as town in their read lists and stuff - or is it different because you are doing it?

 

@ Krak - you have misquoted Turin in your post at 464 - what makes it worse is that you have included Turin's post in yours. I don't know whether you have just misread, or have tried to twist Turin's words here, but tried to do it subtly by just swapping two words round

 

@ Golden - I have more than 1 post. yes I am still only in single digits I know, because I replaced in. But by saying that I have only posted once means to me you have not actually read the thread, you are putting all these opinions out there but you are actually skimming

[Elaevia]

for skimming while trying to look like you are scumhunting

 

##vote Golden

[csarmi]

VoteCount Day01#11

 

 

01 - Peace: -> Elf -> Golden

02 - Cloud: -> Elf -> Turin -> Hoof -> Turin

03 - Krak: -> Cloud -> Hoof

04 - GoldenEyes: -> Elf

05 - TommyRod: -> Peace -> Turin -> Hoof -> NULL

06 - Leelou: -> Nolder -> Hally

07 - Theodora: -> Golden

08 - Elffern: -> Peace -> NULL

09 - Hally

10 - BFG: -> Golden -> NULL -> Nolder

11 - Via: -> Golden

12 - Nolder: -> Hally

13 - BlackHoof: -> Peace

14 - Turin: -> Tommy -> NULL

 

 

 

Elf - 1 - Golden

Peace - 1 - Hoof

Golden - 3 - Peace, Thea, Via

Hoof - 1 - Krak

Hally - 2 - Nolder, Leelou

Turin - 1 - Cloud

Nolder - 1 - BFG

 

Not voting: Tommy, Elf, Hally, Turin

8 to lynch.

Deadline: 2013-12-29, 20:00 GMT

Countdown: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131229T21&p0=50&msg=ChristmasMM-D1

[GoldeneyesND]

@ Turin - I thought you didn't like it when people put themselves down as town in their read lists and stuff - or is it different because you are doing it?

 

@ Krak - you have misquoted Turin in your post at 464 - what makes it worse is that you have included Turin's post in yours. I don't know whether you have just misread, or have tried to twist Turin's words here, but tried to do it subtly by just swapping two words round

 

@ Golden - I have more than 1 post. yes I am still only in single digits I know, because I replaced in. But by saying that I have only posted once means to me you have not actually read the thread, you are putting all these opinions out there but you are actually skimming

 

Nice try but you're reaching. I ISO'd everyone but you because I wanted to give you a chance to post and frankly you've done nothing of value in this game. Everyone else can feel free to check their post count as well. Super shady voting on an incorrect post count though, I didn't misrep anything you said. Pathetic, I'll immediately dismiss your opinions now 

[GoldeneyesND]

Oh yeah and

## unvote ## vote Faux-livia

For the scummiest debut into a game 

[Elaevia]

You didn't misrepresent anything I said because as far as you were concerned I hadn't said anything, that's where the misrepresentation is.

 

This was a mistake on your part, anyone can make mistakes, that's fine.

 

You are saying though that you didn't search out what posts I made before you did your option post - as it happened I posted more which would have given you something to comment on about me. You didn't search and you didn't notice that my post count in the thread has gone up.

 

There is a difference between saying 'Via has had only one post so no opinion on her yet' and 'I don't think Via has added anything to the game and her opinions don't matter to me'.

 

Now that you've dismissed a players options because they picked you up on an error you made, town has some information to work on, now or in the future.

 

As I say, anyone can make a mistake, that's not a real issue. I am surprised by your response and your OMGUS vote though, wasn't expecting such a big response to my comment

[_CLOUD]

So where is the actual case on my mafianess again? it merely looks like you disagree with what I am saying about Tommy and yourself. And Leelou also. The rest is mostly you defending yourself.

 

My case on you was built around me disagreeing with your statements and pointing out how you are trying to make a couple of players look scummy because of them. I don’t see any reason why you think someone is scummy just because he has good town reads, or is attempting to lead the town, or is working together with someone else to lynch another player, or is being eager during a mafia game. These things don’t make someone mafia because they happen in every game; they can't even be called scum tells which you shouldn't base any serious reads off in the first place, and yet they form the entire case for why you think a couple of people are scum. This is the reason why I’m suspicious of you.

 

 

In response to your argument that I was rushing through Day 1:

 

Like you said you said you can’t really pressure someone without having the intent to lynch; it doesn’t convey the same level of threat behind your actions and the person you are going after won’t feel pressured. You may think that I was trying to rush through Day 1 but I have only been aggressive in my casing to try and gain as much info as I possibly can which allows me to generate better reads. I ended up pushing for a deadline because I noticed that the activity in the thread was starting to dwindle and a deadline would force more players who were laying low to step up their game, share their reads and vote.

 

 

What are you on about? I mentioned no ill will. ALL posting on thread is gameplay. it is there to be scrutinized. that is how this game works.

 

My question. is why do you think you can tell others what to do? Because you posted on thread specific instructions regarding not voting Elffern since you were no longer voting her => she must be town.

 

I agree with you that all posting on thread is gameplay, but I still felt the need to point it out to you because you were getting so worked up over my playstyle.

 

I was interested in how Golden would react to my arrogant post. I never expected him to actually follow me around.

 

 

 

@BFG #459:

 

What specifics are you asking me to explain more? Were you talking about Nolder or someone else?

 

Also, I didn’t ask Hoof to explain his reads on Peace in post #297 because he has already given his reasonings for his vote in post #281. I saw no reason to ask him the same question twice.

 

I have only called Verbal out once when he asked for an early deadline because I saw him doing it before as scum. He has then explained to me that he does it both as scum, and town so it was a null point.

 

 

@Theo:

 

Why do you think Peace is scum? Why is Leelou town? And isn't it odd for you to be voting alongside your second scum read?

 

 

*edited for better readability

[_CLOUD]

 

Yeah Blackhoof doesn't look good.

 

 

##unvote vote Blackhoof

 

You now all of a sudden agree with me? You didn’t respond back at me when I retorted your arguments for why I must be scum, and you kept your vote on me since then without bother to reply to anything in the game except to call me out for buddying, so your sudden switch to Hoof without explanation seems odd.

 

 

Also Krak can you explain why you all of a sudden switched to following me after Hoof while you thought I was scum until then?

 

 

*edited for better readability.

[_CLOUD]

LMAO. Am I supposed to care what you think of her case? There are literally no words for how ridiculous this post is. Never tell me what to do. I don't know who you think you are, but you don't have credit stored in this bank, I have zero reasons to respect your reads or game and it completely colored my reading of the rest of your posts when I went to ISO. I don't know why you think you're going to "lead" the town cause I don't see a line forming to follow your sage wisdom.

 

Oh god you are even worse than Despo. I don’t care what you think about my playstyle and if you have a problem with me pushing your buttons. I for example don’t like being called clueless by someone I haven’t even yet played a full game with and also shouldn’t know the setup of the current game to make such statements, but hey dealing with such things is all part of the game and if you can’t take it then feel free to stop playing. My sage advice to you is to keep your emotions in check because it won’t help you in your mafia career and will only result in you being over-reactive and reactivity isn’t good because it will only lead to distraction and bias

 

Now that's ridiculous. We will get info from every lynch.

 

That’s true enough, but lynching Hallia will give us the least amount of info after everything that has already been discussed in this game. The train on her is lazy because activity isn’t one of her strong points.

 

This is beyond ridiculous. Trust someone to mean what they say in this game? Understand their grammar maybe (looking at you peace) but don't trust what they're saying by taking it at face value. There's not even a reason to misrep with this guy, he WANTS to believe what you say. Gameplay in this game comes from questioning reasons.

 

I already replied to Effie in post #228 that I didn’t manage to explain what I originally meant in the post you quoted. I accused her of looking at Tom’s actions from a point of view which could only lead to WIFOM, instead of analyzing his post in a more logical way.

 

 

Theory behind this post: Scum are afraid to OMGUS.... How does this make sense? It's the easiest early game vote to distance yourself from next to a joke vote. You'll catch some flak, but you can get away with it and maybe a train starts off of your vote.

 

I have noticed that townies tends to OMGUS more while mafia have a tendency to be more considerate with their voting. Peace agreed with my initial case on Effie and while Effie was attacking Peace because he didn´t explain his vote on her she never said that she found me scummy. It seemed to me like she was afraid of accusing me, and instead decided to go after Peace.

[_CLOUD]

Via, it reads like you are fake scumhunting right now because you are only posting about details that don't really matter. What do you think about the game so far at large and the things that have been discussed?

[_CLOUD]

Oh yeah I forgot that DM Mafia is dead on the weekends. Silly me.

[Tommyrod]

Cloud I will play  but I have a cranium crushing hangover from ast night. Give me a bit Ugh

[Hallia]

You didn't misrepresent anything I said because as far as you were concerned I hadn't said anything, that's where the misrepresentation is.

 

This was a mistake on your part, anyone can make mistakes, that's fine.

 

You are saying though that you didn't search out what posts I made before you did your option post - as it happened I posted more which would have given you something to comment on about me. You didn't search and you didn't notice that my post count in the thread has gone up.

 

There is a difference between saying 'Via has had only one post so no opinion on her yet' and 'I don't think Via has added anything to the game and her opinions don't matter to me'.

 

Now that you've dismissed a players options because they picked you up on an error you made, town has some information to work on, now or in the future.

 

As I say, anyone can make a mistake, that's not a real issue. I am surprised by your response and your OMGUS vote though, wasn't expecting such a big response to my comment

 

 

I think Via defended herself well against Golden, and it seems to me he could easily be scum trying to rile people up.

 

##vote Goldeneyes

[Nolder]

Obviously I don't have the time right now to read some of the massive posts some people have made but rest assured when I get to them you'll hate me because I'll just be spamming the thread with catchup. Ketchup? Anyway...

 

I see Hallia hasn't voted anyone yet. Has she even posted since I voted?

I don't want to bury my vote over non participating because it's a null tell but I'm reluctant to vote people who are participating without better reads on them.

Eh whatever. Sorry but this is the best I can manage right now. Next week you'll probably be sick of how much I'm posting but for now you'll have to settle for this.

[Krakalakachkn]

Oh yeah I forgot that DM Mafia is dead on the weekends. Silly me.

 

I tend to work 2/3 days on the weekend, and the computer we use is constantly spied on by the boss, so I can't really use it safely to play. That leaves the annoying process of phoneplay, and everyone knows phoneplay isn't as good as intercourse.

 

 

Also, I voted Blackhoof because his post reeked and I wanted to see reactions, which mostly consisted of you, Tom, and Turin questioning me. So, a small modicum of success.

[_CLOUD]

What was the result of your observation?

[Tommyrod]

##Vote Nolder 

Answer my question already jeez