[Basic] Wreck-It Ralph Mafia Game Over Mafia Wins

[csarmi]

Haha.

 

This is what you get when you lynch a survivor. It's the wrong move 9/10 of the times.

 

Verbal seemed super townie to me. Nerv was great.

 

Nice game Kaylee. Been following somewhat.

[peacesells]

 

Two views of what mafia should be maybe?

 

Some play hardcore, balls to the wall, take no prisoners. And that's fine.

 

Some, like me, play to have fun. Have a few laughs, crack a few jokes, make some friends. But I can be serious too when it's time. Personally, I prefer a mix of the two. If it isn't fun, then why even play.

 

Bolded is true for me as well. Personally, this is kinda why I'm against the RVS/joke vote stage as well. It's like people think you can only be funny at the start of games, so they have to get it all out of their system then. I like getting serious early, but always being open to being silly or stupid at random points throughout the game.

 

 

 

I guess I just don't understand why it matters if we joke around early on.  We are serious well before it is required, and I provided foolproof support that AJ could not be town.

 

You don't need a town read on me to see that - I think that's what is annoying me.

 

 

Day 3 is not the time to get serious.  Day 1 is.  You wanna mix in jokes, fine.  But when that's all you do...well, it's a disservice to the object of the game.  Play as you wish for your entertainment...just don't be surprised when others get a scum read on you for it.

 

Your reasoning was not fool proof.   Ishy was obvious scum to me...yet you didn't go near him.  It's all perspective.  Just because you think something is obvious doesn't mean others do. 

 

If I have a scum read on your from your previous play..it is very difficult to trust any of your arguments late game.  That is why it is important for you to establish your town alignment as early as possible, so that you build trust.  You can ignore this if you wish..I'm just explaining how I read you this game.  And how your actions influenced my decision. 

 

 

I gotta take Verbal's side on this one Peace. I agree that Verbal often doesn't do much actual scumhunting early on in games, but love him or hate him that's just how he plays. You can only yell at someone so many times for playing a certain playstyle that you dislike before it becomes fruitless. Personally, I have great distaste for that kind of thinking, cause it's basically like saying "I should always get a free pass for the first day or two" when NO ONE should get off scot free. But at the end of the day, I wanna help my team win, and that means that you have to take meta into consideration at times. You know Verbal will often be jokey and spammy at the start of games, and won't ramp up till a couple of days in, so if anything him doing that again this time should have been a null tell for you.

 

Fwiw, I also think Verbal did a good job of showing he truly wanted to find scum the last couple of days, and I like how him and Ishy seem to be contributing more lately than I remember them doing in the past.

 

Anyways, GG scum team. I'm glad Vos got a win in his first game as scum, and survived till the end as well.

 

 

 

His side on what?  He did exactly what you describe you don't like.  And like I said before...that's fine and I'm okay with that playstyle if it is fun for him.  Just don't go pointing fingers at others when that playstyle gets in the way of a win.  Which is what he did once the hammer came.  It was a town loss, he was part of town.  He washed his hands of it.

 

And I agree, should not have lynched wombat..and I said it was MY mistake in the game thread. 

[hazelkrs1]

I would have still lynched Wombat most likely ftr.

 

And that's the thing Peace: you KNOW that he often does that, that that is his playstyle. Ergo, it should have been a null tell for you. It would be like me voting Hallia at lylo or mylo purely because she posted fluff most of the game.

[peacesells]

I would have still lynched Wombat most likely ftr.

 

And that's the thing Peace: you KNOW that he often does that, that that is his playstyle. Ergo, it should have been a null tell for you. It would be like me voting Hallia at lylo or mylo purely because she posted fluff most of the game.

 

 

So what do I do with that at end game?  I missed the cues that Leelou had picked up on with AJ.  The only thing suspect about AJ's play to me was that early vote. 

 

Verbal hadn't been willing to vote Ishy at all.   He was going after non-contributors over some pretty glaring play by Ishy and Wombat.  He looked like he was hiding all early game.  Why hide?

 

So, why take his word over AJ's? There was nothing in game that really showed he was town.  He was only really active when he was under threat to be lynched at the end.  Then he posted a lot. 

 

I came close to literally rolling dice on it.  And only because AJ voted early.  Otherwise I wouldn't have thought twice about Verbal being scum. 

[Verbal32]

Wrong. I was hyper active well before I was a lynch target - now you're just talking out your @$$.

 

Also, I showed that AJ couldn't be town. Like Des said, the null on me for meta I've had for years should not have blocked you from reading my case on AJ and taking it at face value.

 

When you blamed that on me joking around early on - THAT is when I fired back. Case closed.

[Verbal32]

@Des: you didn't see me contributing a while back because I was still playing on JN primarily. I was cherry picking DM games once in a while.

 

My activity level on display these last couple games has been my standard for a couple years now.

 

If you lynch me D1 or D2 because I haven't ramped up enough -- that's MY fault and I'll always admit it. But like you said, a null tell and certainly not enough to dismiss logical evidence at endgame. That's just silly.

[Kaylee]

I knew what was going on and still liked your case Verbal. With the way you laid it out I would've followed.

[keyholder21]

Gg Kaylee and scum :). I was following along best I could, although admittedly much more so before I was subbed into CS's game.

 

I can see some of peace's case, but I actually agreed with Verbal's case on AJ a lot more.

[Verbal32]

<3

[hazelkrs1]

So I thought it was strange when Kay said the scum team killed me cause they thought I breadcrumbed a copclaim... Glad I read the QT cause Ishy was saying he doubted I would do that hehe. Good to see you know me so well Ishy

[peacesells]

just read the scum QT.  you guys did a great job of working together....and using me. 

[hazelkrs1]

Ishy makes a great scum captain. Next time I'm scum with him I'm nominating him.

[Andrej]

It was fun. And I agree that Ishy's experience paid dividends when it came to choosing our NKs and general interactions through the game. I gotta hand it to Nerv as well, his play during Lylo was pretty awesome. The QT and this game just prove that I will never be very good as mafia

[Kaylee]

Lol you didn't do too bad

[WWWwombat]

We would never allow a survivor to endgame - too unpredictable. Wombat knows this, and would never fake claim that garbage.

 

Not unless I had a vengekill or something.

 

 

Unvote me y'all, I'm a, uh, Miller, yeah that's it.

 

 

I'm 1-shot Lynchproof, you're wasting your day. Yeah, 1-shot Lynchproof Miller. Because badass.

 

lol <3

 

 

Haha.

 

This is what you get when you lynch a survivor. It's the wrong move 9/10 of the times.

 

Verbal seemed super townie to me. Nerv was great.

 

Nice game Kaylee. Been following somewhat.

 

Nonsense.  Most of the time, lynching a survivor is the right play.  It wasn't this time though as town was too close to LyLo and it was 100% certain that Ishy was mafia.  Lynch the guy who you know is mafia then worry about me later.  That's the logical play and what I was hoping town would do.

 

 

I would have still lynched Wombat most likely ftr.

 

And that's the thing Peace: you KNOW that he often does that, that that is his playstyle. Ergo, it should have been a null tell for you. It would be like me voting Hallia at lylo or mylo purely because she posted fluff most of the game.

 

That's cuz u jelly.

[csarmi]

Well, in the games I've played here (not so many, I admit), it happened to be the wrong decision to lynch the survivor all the time. But yea, this was the most clear one.

[michellem]

My Hunger Games last year is the perfect example of how a survivor can play. My survivor stuck to town like white on rice, and both of them ended up winning for it. Personally I don't feel like a town victory shared with a survivor is a "lesser" victory or anything.

[WWWwombat]

Problem is, if you don't get a scum lynch pretty quick, the survivor is probably going to side with the mafia.  That's exactly what I would have done if GF hadn't guiltied me.  I was considering fake guiltying someone for the mislynch on D4, but GF beat me to the punch and then it wouldn't have worked imo.

[John E. Kelley]

You did see in the QT where I wanted you to win with us though, didn't you? Wasn't possible due to events, but it was what I was aiming for.

[csarmi]

Problem is, if you don't get a scum lynch pretty quick, the survivor is probably going to side with the mafia.  That's exactly what I would have done if GF hadn't guiltied me.  I was considering fake guiltying someone for the mislynch on D4, but GF beat me to the punch and then it wouldn't have worked imo.

 

Yea. That's why you'd best start lynching maffia as soon as possible.