[Basic] The Circle Mafia - Game over

[GoldeneyesND]

I just mean I personally changed my playstyle for one game, was town and was lynched because I was "off my meta".

 

There's not much you can do about that IMO. Some lynches are just poor town decisions or good plays by scum (often both). The group think dynamic here is pervasive, once you get a few people agreeing on something it can be hard to convince them they're wrong. And new players tend to place too much stock in experienced players' opinions, which makes things unnecessarily complicated. I know that last thing confused me in my first game. I don't really know anyone's meta too well, so naturally I place little value in it. 

[Darthe]

What's your profession Darthe?

Technically I am a student though I am currently out of school. Applying for graduate studies in neuroscience. Why do you ask?

[michellem]

@Darthe; I'm in, as long as it's not in a QT :P

 

 

Official Vote Count:

Hallu (1): Snow
Peace (1): Darthe
Snow (2): Hallu, Des
Luci (1): Key
Aida (1): Golden
Golden (1): Aida
Kaylee (1): Cloud

With 13 alive, 7 is needed to achieve a lynch.
Not Voting (5): Peace, Kaylee,  Dice, Ishy, Luci

No deadline yet, will set one tomorrow!

[Aidanna]

@Darthe: You sound like the guy from Criminal Minds - analyzing people because they use a period. 

 

I use lots of dashes all the time. What does that say about me? I'm honestly curious btw...

[Hallucination]

 

 

Nope. I believed it which is why I said it. Did I not just type out an entire passage explaining my reasons?

 

Actually, you avoiding reacting because you think I am looking for reactions is scummy.

 

FoS for now.

My reaction: Appreciate you explaining yourself. As for why you find Ishy town...mostly meta which to me is null as people can use that to purposely change their play.

Behavior can be changed. Personality remains mostly consistent. Thats a rule of psych.

 

Also, who would say they aren't town? Really a moot point.

 

 

Okay, finally quote loaded. 

 

No, but I feel like you will turn out to be mafia. I may be wrong, after all this is my first game. 

 

Unvote: Snow

Vote: Darthe

[GoldeneyesND]

 

What's your profession Darthe?

Technically I am a student though I am currently out of school. Applying for graduate studies in neuroscience. Why do you ask?

 

 

You mentioned reading people as part of your profession. I tend to form mental images of people in these games and I hypothesized you were a shrink or something involving clinical trials from what I've seen of you on here. It's always fun to see if I'm right.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

Nope. I believed it which is why I said it. Did I not just type out an entire passage explaining my reasons?

 

Actually, you avoiding reacting because you think I am looking for reactions is scummy.

 

FoS for now.

My reaction: Appreciate you explaining yourself. As for why you find Ishy town...mostly meta which to me is null as people can use that to purposely change their play.

Behavior can be changed. Personality remains mostly consistent. Thats a rule of psych.

 

Also, who would say they aren't town? Really a moot point.

Okay, finally quote loaded.

 

No, but I feel like you will turn out to be mafia. I may be wrong, after all this is my first game.

 

Unvote: Snow

Vote: Darthe

Are you actually responding to what I say or is there some conversation going on that I am missing here?

[John E. Kelley]

For you newer players talking about Time's game:

 

Talking about other, on-going games is forbidden 'round here. Just fyi.

[John E. Kelley]

I would also like to hear an explanation from Hallucination, re. his/her vote.

[Aidanna]

I'm getting off for a while - I have to get my kids settled down and do dishes and stuff. See you all later. 

[Darthe]

You've been lurking. Noted.

 

Ishy defending me. Meh.

[John E. Kelley]

You've been lurking. Noted.

Ishy defending me. Meh.

Not really. Just suspicious of someone casting a vote with no reasoning attached to it. Same as anyone else would do, regardless of who the vote was targeting.

[Aidanna]

And as I go I wanted to respond.

For you newer players talking about Time's game:

Talking about other, on-going games is forbidden 'round here. Just fyi.

people mention being in other games often - I didn't specifically talk about anything other than my phone mistake and why I will not check DM or mafia from it anymore - and I only explained it further because just about everyone had a problem with it.

[peacesells]

Lol at Darthe..your explanation on your day 1 reads.  Very funny.

 

No explain your vote on me. 

 

/sits back in chair, arms crossed.

 

And anyone voting Darthe on Day 1 is pretty silly.  He never gets past day 2 without a cop viewing anyway.  Waste of time.

[GoldeneyesND]

For you newer players talking about Time's game:

 

Talking about other, on-going games is forbidden 'round here. Just fyi.

 

Thanks. I apologized. It was completely my fault.

[dicetosser1]

Dana we talk about PAST games. Not current ones.

 

Darthe Dr Freud is jealous of the way you used his couch lol.

 

I want to reread the stuff between cloud and kaylee...i feel like im missing something there

[hazelkrs1]

My point to you was before she made that point, three may be something to it, maybe not.

 

Your vote was about self preservation, not her being afraid of making a mistake. One's about her looking bad (mistake) yours about her wanting to stay alive.

 

I agree with Cloud about this, those pretty much ARE the same things in this circumstance. You backpedal away from this later on, but you trying to weasel your way between words here is highly suspect to me.

 

 

no wonder she is worried about mistakes lol   that woulda scared the beelzebub outta me first game or 2.

 

Cloud   your vote stands out cause its the third vote she has recieved already. a joke vote from me, GND and then you.

 

I don't count my votes because I don't care how my play comes across. It's about time that this game gets started.

 

 

Tbh, I actually think this stands out, but for diff reasons. I think Cloud was intentionally trying to drop a "towntell" here. I believe a townie shouldn't be as concerned with how they are perceived as scum are, however that being said you obviously have to be somewhat aware, otherwise you might not get much support when you case someone or something.

 

Anyways, him dropping this out there piques my interest.

 

One does not simply ask Darthe to explain his reads.

 

You forgot Boromir.

 

 

I was only pressuring her for something that stood out to me. It was also the first game related thing that I noticed and I thought it was a good opportunity to start the game and go into serious mode.

 

Don't you agree that my action falls into "going after something that might get us nowhere" and "Letting things slide and ignoring possible leads/connections no matter how small gets us nowhere"?

Very possibly that's why I questioned you and didn't jump to a quick vote on you. I like to be sure ite at least talk things out before placing a vote. Why? Because it leads to more information later in the game.

 

 

Very possibly? Either it is or it isn't. Kaylee looking like scum here. If anything, nudging (questioning someone or commenting on their "scumminess" but not voting looks scummier to me than just voting outright. Votes often prompt discussion, whereas nudging allows scum to look like they're involved in the game without having to clearly come down on one side of an issue.

 

 

 

 

Hello Luci! So wonderful to see you again. I look forward to our match. In response to your queries I will be happy to explain my reasoning. However, doing so requires a bit of history.

First you should know that Ishy and I go back to my first game where we were mafia together. For some reason we have always been pretty dead on with reading one another, probably due in large part to that.

 

Second, reading people is not only my hobby but also is a large part of my professional and academic life. In the time that I have played with these (and other) fine folk I have learned that some things are fairly universal weaknesses. One of my favorites to use is the disoriented and fractured composure of someone who is just settling into a game, attempting to start things for themselves and attempting to reconcile their role PM. Thus, for me, the smallest hints in tone and phrasing in a persons first few posts are vulnerable to their true intentions and allow me to gain a rapid insight into their motivations. While not always effective this has provided rather good results so far. Allow me to show what I saw and how I analyzed it.

First note that all that Ishy has done was place a vote here. One with a period at the end of it, probably not even intended but rather a tic of proper punctuation stating that he does this with resolution. This is, for him, an obvious thing to do based on his relationship with Key. He didn't attempt to joke about it or play around, he simply did as he always does. We can consider this a safe and null investment.

 

More to follow.

 

 

 

 

Here we get a bit of playful banter. He is relaxed, passive. He is keeping things simple and not trying to blend in.

 

And then we see a redundant example of this. What is shown here can better be explained as meta in hypermode. This is not a player stepping into a role or position. This isn't someone who intends much of anything. He has no need to start and thus no concern for presence or performance. Now, the question of what about this makes him town? Nothing. It simply makes him less lilely to be mafia as compared to people who fail to do these things. Since I speak definitively in mafia and my goal for the day is to narrow my list of suspects to increase my chances of finding mafia, even if superficial in nature, what you get from my ascertained tells is "Ishy is obv town" which helps me watch him react to it, see what others do in response to such an early concrete statement, and even has some truth behind it to my eyes.

 

Now, normally I don't bother explaining things like this because it is disbelieved and because I don't want people to watch themselves more from the get-go but today I did because A) you're kind and I like you and B) people assumed I wouldn't.

 

What is Mat Cuathons #1 rule of warfare?

 

 

 

 

^Darthe's psych-speak

 

Sheesh. No wonder you normally don't say why you think someone is town

 

What a bunch of jargon. I completely believe that YOU believe that kind of stuff, but wow lol. Still you tho Darthe.

 

 

 

What's your profession Darthe?

Technically I am a student though I am currently out of school. Applying for graduate studies in neuroscience. Why do you ask?

 

 

You mentioned reading people as part of your profession. I tend to form mental images of people in these games and I hypothesized you were a shrink or something involving clinical trials from what I've seen of you on here. It's always fun to see if I'm right.

 

 

 

You must have used your amazing powers of perception when he mentioned "fractured psyches" and whatnot lol

 

Lol at Darthe..your explanation on your day 1 reads.  Very funny.

 

No explain your vote on me. 

 

/sits back in chair, arms crossed.

 

And anyone voting Darthe on Day 1 is pretty silly.  He never gets past day 2 without a cop viewing anyway.  Waste of time.

 

Imma laugh SOOOOO hard if it turns out Darthe is a GF and you tried to help get him viewed

 

 

#stickingyourneckoutforDarthenotverysmurt

 

Anyways. Unvote, Vote Kaylee. Came out a bit aggressive for her, and had a painful looking backtrack about her fos on Cloud.

[peacesells]

 

Imma laugh SOOOOO hard if it turns out Darthe is a GF and you tried to help get him viewed

 

 

#stickingyourneckoutforDarthenotverysmurt

 

Anyways. Unvote, Vote Kaylee. Came out a bit aggressive for her, and had a painful looking backtrack about her fos on Cloud.

 

 

Really?  Um...there is no GF this game. 

 

2 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Sane Cop, 1 Sane Doctor, 7 Townies, 1 Survivor

 

2 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 9 Townies, 1 Survivor

 

3 Mafia Goons, 1 Sane Cop, 8 Townies, 1 Survivor

 

3 Mafia Goons, 1 Sane Doctor, 8 Townies, 1 Survivor

 

3 mafia Goons, 1 Sane cop, 1 Sane Doc, 7 townies, 1 Survivor

 

2 mafia goon, 1 mafia roleblocker, 1 sane cop or doc, 8 townies, 1 Survivor

[hazelkrs1]

Ah yeah, forgot it was open setup. I retract that statement. I do NOT retract the laughie face.

[michellem]

Official Vote Count:

Hallu (1): Snow
Peace (1): Darthe
Luci (1): Key
Aida (1): Golden
Golden (1): Aida
Kaylee (2): Cloud, Des
Darthe (1): Hallu

With 13 alive, 7 is needed to achieve a lynch.
Not Voting (5): Peace, Kaylee,  Dice, Ishy, Luci

Deadline Monday 2AM GMT+1 (for the Americans, that's 6 hours ahead of EST, so 8PM EST Sunday. Deadline link coming later)

[hazelkrs1]

Really sad that there's only one person with more than one vote on them at this point. We need more voting activity people.

[peacesells]

VOTE KAYLEE

[_CLOUD]

@Darthe: Isn't Ishy playing like he always does?

 

 

 

No problem. I will gladly teach you how to play mafia, lol

 

Teach me too?

 

All banter aside, I'm probably not the best person to actually teach you how to play Mafia. The good thing however is that you are currently playing in a Basic game, which means that the setup is more newbie friendly (there are only a small amount of roles and all of them are basic, no advanced game mechanics, no shenanigans from the mod etc.) and so you can completly focus on figuring out people's allignment by looking at their playstyle and what they are saying. I personally believe that a Basic game with absolutely no roles is more difficult to play in than an Advanced one though, and this game also has a lot of experienced players so you shouldn't underestimate people either. In a Basic game people are generally more willing to help you out so can get a faster grasp on how to play the game, so feel free to ask any question that you might have in the thread. Just be careful not to start trusting people that are trying to help you out

 

This is also a very useful wiki that everyone on this site uses to look up certain information:

 

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Main_Page

[Kaylee]

I'm not scum. It felt different to me somehow. I wasn't backpedaling, he asked why I gave my original reasoning which was before Key gave hers. After she had said that I thought there might be something to it.

 

Peace why the vote?

[Kaylee]

Also I came out aggressive because I had the opportunity to be active and wanted to go after anything that might go somewhere as I've said before.