[Basic] The Circle Mafia - Game over

[Tommyrod]

My guess for scum:  des, dice, and now possibly kay.  Still have to go back and look at people.  Got busy at work this morning.

Thinking this is a rule of threes thing

 

Dice is scum and the other two aren't

 

Admittedly I still haven't read half the thread but this pinged me just now.

 

Kaylee seems genuine and Key seems angry.

 

/gut reads

[Tommyrod]

Des kay hallu

Called it

Thinking you're way off on this one and that's only from a pretty cursory glance of the thread so far

 

So I dunno why you'd be thinking that

 

Where's your WIM spirit?

[Tommyrod]

Darthe your endgame is pathetic

 

Looks like we are gonna have to thunderdome tonight

[Tommyrod]

 

Thanks for contributing.

 

 ^ I lol'd.

 

Hallu, not that I'm a prime example on weekends (I mostly play at work), but you can most more than once a day in the game.  The more involvement the better.  Also, what makes you think AJ's entrance was awkward?

 

Would like to hear more from aida, golden and dice.  Peace, why do you still like your vote on Kaylee?

 

Des is making some sense and some not.  Not sure on where I sit with him yet.  Don't like his statement that I was the next highest train when he voted, because I had one vote like everyone else.  I do appreciate the move to keep gameplay going, so meh.

 

After going back through, Vote Luci

 

 

Welcome AJ, 

 

Thought's so far...

 

Key, besides those two posts after she was called out by Darthe and Ishy, seems to have disappeared, plus the post now about baby duty :D

 

Kaylee, seems town so far. 

 

Cloud, not so sure, he seems to be playing town and getting rather aggressive.

 

Snow was a bit off to me, AJ now seems to have gone into scum hunting mode, almost building cases but not really...

 

Des and Peace, not really clear on you two. Holding judgement for the moment, You're kind of iffy

 

Aidanna, seems to have fallen off the grid. Lying low?

 

Might be a mistake but 

 

Vote Aidanna

 

 

In addition to leaving darthe and ishy off her reads list, Hallu, golden and dice aren't listed either.  Which is meh because she doesn't say thoughts on everyone, just says thoughts.  But, even though dice is missing from her thoughts list, in the very next post she tells dice to "stop posting fluff and get into the game". dice only has 6 posts, not much fluff or game play.  And 5 of them are about gameplay, so why say to stop posting fluff? Additionally, she calls me out for having disappeared, but not dice whose last game post was many posts before my last one.  And the only post of his between mine and hers was one to say hi to AJ. 

 

Calls AJ out for "almost building cases but not really".  I'm not sure I follow on that.

 

The vote on Aidanna seems oddly timed to me in addition to I don't like the reasoning.  Yes, it's annoying when people disappear, but in my experience that's generally a VT.  Usually scum work harder to be more active so they don't draw attention, imo.  Plus, we aren't going to learn anything from lynching an inactive.  The timing it seems like she just didn't want to get embroiled in the Kay/Cloud/Key situation, so she parked her vote elsewhere.

 

I might not be able to get back on again tonight, as I need to do some chores around the house while the baby is asleep.  I should be able to be around in the morning again, though, and off and on most of the day tomorrow.

Hmm this is actually correct

 

Key can go back to slight wolf instead of high wolf

[Tommyrod]

Hey I think I promised a pic.  What am I drinking tonight folks?

 

  

Not my cabinet, though certainly some of my bottles.  Afraid that scotch and cigars, while cliche, just work together.

  

WTL Des and AJ.  Just because they talk a lot without saying anything.

 

Darthe seems really disinterested since mid game which is not what I am used to with him

 

Ishi is floating pretty heavy as well

 

You guys aren't making this game easier :/

[Tommyrod]

 

No.

 

I'm saying that you mixing me up with whomever else (I haven't seen anyone ask Kaylee specifically for reads) means that you aren't paying attention, which is exactly what you accuse her of.

 

 

 

Dude you BETTER end up being scum for making me go back and fetch so many quotes for you.

 

 

So Kaylee do you have any scum or town reads?

 

 

BOOM. Guess it was Cloud, my bad.

 

Des:Very possibly? Either it is or it isn't.

Yes and I can't possibly know his alignment so I don't know if it is the same or not. In fact looking back his "Don't you agree that my action falls into "going after something that might get us nowhere" and "Letting things slide and ignoring possible leads/connections no matter how small gets us nowhere"?

Stands out. Like he's saying see I'm doing the same as you I am in your side.

I could be wrong, but it's what I feel .Vote Cloud

 

 

 

Ninja'd by Cloud . It's early for me to say. I don't trust anyone to start out...still working in my reads.

 

 

I actually did misread however, so I kinda feel stupid now. I thought when she said my name she was answering Cloud about scum reads... but right after she said she got ninjad. Anyways, to continue showing you my original line of thought (I might have to go back on my town read of Kaylee now)

 

Glad I remembered to do this:

 

Message to all games: I'm now off work for 4 days, so I might be a little less active than normal, but will be back at work monday night.

 

 

This was the only thing I posted after.

 

Despo appears to be scum hunting ship I'm getting a town vibe from him.

 

 

And then here was Kaylee's next post. In my mind, she had said I could be scum when Cloud asked for reads, and then soon after she said I seemed town. Seemed more like she was going back through and actually reading again for reads, instead of just fabricating some, since she seemingly went back on a scum read of me to say town.

 

Now that I caught the part about her being ninja'd however, apparently the only read she could come up with was me looking town... This makes me feel not good about her again.

 

Still, don't like you AJ. The way you're defending her, twisting words around... the only difference is now instead of me thinking you wer buddying a townie, I think you were defending a teammate.

 

Is there still a train on Kaylee? Could go for either her or AJ atm.

 

Ooooooh AJ do you think I'm seeing which lynch will get more traction? Oh noes, I am so caught redhanded!!!

 

Don't think Des is scum in this game. He/she is pretty brusque but the development of reads feels genuine. He/she also wanted me to read the thread which is consistent with a townie trying to win

[Tommyrod]

By end of Page 17 I'm feeling Kaylee and Des are pretty clear

 

So yeah Darthe we are gonna come to blows since you're scummin this time

[Krakalakachkn]

Hey I think I promised a pic.  What am I drinking tonight folks?

 

 

 

Get something good, then we'll talk.

 

 

Still catching up. Phoneplay sucks.

[keyholder21]

Kaylee Game Related D2 Iso (since you said the past few pages, darthe). BTW, anyone, what does ISO mean? I’m using it since you guys are using it, but when I last played we just called them quotes.

 

I hope this spoiler tag works. If not, apologies for the super long WoT:

 

 

Not sold on Cloud being town, but wasn't around to switch my vote.

Null tell. Although why would switching your vote to consolidate mean you had to change your mind on Cloud?
 

I know I admitted it. I also warned that I wouldn't be around last night when I posted. I left my vote on who I was suspicious of at the time.

I went back through your posts and I didn’t see your warning.
 

 

Working graveyards this week. Was at sleep during the deadline. But..I'll be looking at you Ishy. We will know about you tomorrow.

Seems like scum took this as a cop claim. Question is did they use it to frame Ishy or would Ishy be obvious?

 

Also, imo a null tell.
 

I've seen this tactic used and quite successfully.by scum before.

Mostly a repeat of above. Included because it’s game play.
 

Not really that's why I raised the possibility.

Notice I didn't vote you?

This is in response to Ishy asking if he’s ever obvious. Could be a ploy between the two of them.
 

From Golden:

Was leaning scum on you yesterday. This does it for me. Nudge and a no vote=so scummy

Vote Kaylee



I wasn't nudging him. I was pointing out a possibility. In fact I think it makes him less likely scum. That's why I didn't vote him.

I don’t think it makes Ishy less likely to be scum. Ishy is a good player and knows the advantage that WIFOM can give.
 

Good points on Golden, Key.

Call it OMGUS but Golden isn't looking good atm. Key made some good points above.

VoteGolden

I can’t argue with these because I think I did make good points *shrugs*.
 

 

His vote on AJ was terrible, and he is now pushing for Kay's lynch and saying that he had a scum read on her yesterday, while his previous posts contradict this statement. He has also been sprouting bs for the majority of the game so far, so yeah he's most likely scum.

The bold is precisely why I placed a vote on him. That's the part Key pointed out that I agree with.

Meh. I vote is not a push. A push is actively trying to get someone lynched. You're right Key, I'll just form my own opinion on if you;re good or not. So far tunneling on town with no agenda is fairly poor. Kaylee is playing an unfocused game and coming off scummy. You defending her and tunneling on someone who points it out looks scummy. Cloud's vote I could care las about. Talks about Darthe and then tries to get a train going by voting me with no analysis, typical Cloud cluelessness.

Bold: How am I playing unfocused? I voted yesterday for whom I found to be anti-town and am doing so today. I made a case as for why today...granted Key beat me to it, now I'm using my own words to say exactly why.
Underlined: Can't really comment on that as that's your opinion.

 

Just a thought, if you were confused by my saying push, why didn’t you mention it when I first did. Or when you responded to Golden here?
 

Examine away but it's A waste of time. I'm not scum and have been actively scum hunting.

Eh. Scum can fake scumhunting too. Des “scumhunts” no matter what team he’s on.
 

Yes, D1 I tried something new and it wasn't as successful as I'd hoped. I was hoping for more activity and more to go on. Now that Golden is going to be replaced ill have to look back through and see who stands out.

Seems to me like it worked, although even more activity and things to go on would have been good.
 

Sure. Who are your top and botom three?

This is here for context of Kay’s next post.
 

Still thinking Des ifs town. Possibly you as well for the reason Luci pointed out. Unsure on everyone else. I'll have tolook back to get a better feel.

I find it hard to believe that Kay didn’t have more reads considering she’d been very involved, even central, to several of the discussions that had gone on in the game up to this point.
 

Kaylee who do you think is the survivor?

Here for context:
 

Don't know Luci.

I know Luci asked, but it would make more sense to me to ask why she even cares or would think about it? Survivor can’t kill anyone so s/he is not an immediate threat.
 

Thoughts Ishy?

Just a game related post so I included it.
 

ISO's of those I can...I've added links to most of the posts.
Darthe:

This is the post I use to say he's likely town...though only recently has he been scum-hunting in this post. Not sure where he got the "based on us having a doc" bit though. We've had 2 deaths so far and both have been VT. (neutral but leaning town)

Nothing on Tom as he just joined and hasn't said much...(neatral read as Aida hadn't said much)

Was suspicious of Golden...but as he's been replaced will allow Krak to speak. Krak please participate!

Hallu:

Started off joke voting Snow. Replies to Darthe saying Snow's vote on him was because they are friends. Here He then asks "Since when you were town?" to Darthe..then posts this:
No, but I feel like you will turn out to be mafia. I may be wrong, after all this is my first game.

Unvote: Snow
Vote: Darthe
(I put it in blue to show the part I copied.) He's new so the "I may be wrong" makes sense. (Yes I know I used that too, but he shouldn't be jumped on for it. I knew better but did it anyway).
Hallu later explains that voting Darthe was better than voting Snow and that he wasn't feeling a town vibe from him. He further explains voting Darthe might not be crazy as there may not be a cop. Next he says he doesn't know when he'll get solid reads...just going to guess and see what we do. Votes AJ for "mutual thoughts plus taking the place of Snow". His last post was saying he still thinks AJ is scum because he feels like Snow left because of being scum and AJ came in awkwardly. (Could be scum. Not sure since there weren't a lot of posts and he went from not seeming to have a reason to vote AJ to "still" thinking he's scum...neutral read leaning possible scum).

Ishy:
Joke votes Key, then two posts joking with the mod. His first game-related post is questioning two quick votes for Aidanna, he asks if it was coordinated. He then tells Aida that she's doesn't need to vote in red. He has a sarcastic reply to Golden. Some fluff posts then an unvote with nothing else. Asks Em what gives, then votes the Mod. He then educates about not talking about on-going games. He asks Hallu what the reasoning is for his/her vote. Then he replies to Darthe saying that he would question anyone who votes without a reason. Next he calls Key's vote, on me I believe, opportunistic and a bandwagon vote and vote Key saying the Kay train stinks. Then a post about an error in VC. After that some fluff. He then says Cloud, Key and Peace are the possible scum team. Then more fluff...Next he says that Luci pings for voting Aida with no apparent reason and leaving himself and Darthe off her list. He then tells Luci she's using meta to justify a vote that doesn't have any. A few more fluff posts...Next he says he thinks Dice's unvote was scummy. Then he says that Kay likes to get the game started and typically the first person to do so gets heat. More fluff. He then unvotes with no comment. His next post asks what the cases are against Aida and Luci. Then he says he's available to keep it from going random...still thinks Key was the scummiest. He chastises Luci for questioning his unvote of Key. He says it's because she wasn't going to be lynch and deadline was close. He then votes AJ and asks if everyone else is willing to let it go random. Chastises Peace for not being around to help achieve a lynch. Does the same to me. Then, when I post the possibility of Ishy being obvious with the NK or being framed he asks if he'd be that obvious. More fluff then a comment about people getting their panties in a twist. He ends with saying he'll give thoughts when he gets home.
(Ishy read: Neutral could easily be scum but the NK has me wondering if scum was trying to frame him. I have a hard time getting a good read on him though).

That's all I have time for atm. Will have time for more tomorrow...then I'll place a vote depending on what I find.

What made you decide to do this three first? I still need to look at Ishy’s posts – that’s next for me, but her listed read on him could very well be meant to persuade others to thinking her scummate was framed.
 

I agreed with what Key pointed out about Golden. That's it for this day phase.

I don’t get Des’s problem with her agreement. If they are both scum, des likes to bus his scummates so could just be him harping on her because of that.
 

Tom: I did a breakdown of a few players. Read that and also look art those not listed.

I don’t get des’s problem here either. Could be the same thing.
 

 

 

I agreed with what Key pointed out about Golden. That's it for this day phase.

Bad post. You get called out for following Key, so solidify your stance in following her? Not good at all.

 

I'm not going to lie about agreeing with her no. I wasn't following her. I agreed with what she pointed out and decided it was worth noting. I then voted Golden because of that, yes, and because he seemed likeky scum to me.

 

See above two comments.
 

I also told him to look at those not listed. Did you skim that Despo?

Might be an attempt to distance between scummates.

These are her posts up until her iso on me today. I’ve gone through that, so I won’t go through it again here, but here’s a link (http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/86330-basic-the-circle-mafia-day-2/?p=3107523) to her post and my responses are on thread below.

 

TL; DR
Some scummy elements in there. I want to go through Ishy and Des’s posts though. I feel like my reads on them will affect my read on Kay, though I’m obviously not liking the reasoning behind her vote today.

[keyholder21]

Hallelujah it worked!

[Tommyrod]

Key I would be curious to see your analysis of Ishy and Darthe

[Krakalakachkn]

Screw finishing the read before I place a vote. I'm on page 20.

 

 

vote dice

[keyholder21]

Key I would be curious to see your analysis of Ishy and Darthe

 

I'm getting there lol.  It takes a long time to do this SOBs. I know I'll at least get through the analysis of Ishy.  Not sure how many others I'll be able to do today since I play mainly at work.  I'll get through as many as I can though. 

[keyholder21]

Had to split it up; too many posts.

 

ISO on Game Related posts by Ishy (part 1):

 

 

 

 

 

Those were two very quick votes for Aidanna. Almost seems coordinated?

Lame and I’m sure just a joke. Technically game play, so included.

 

 

Dumbest accusation ever. His vote wasn't even on the screen when I typed mine.

Dumbest is what I was going for, thanks bro.

 

Same comment as above.

 

Unvote.

Here he unvoted his joke vote from me. Again, nothing here but it’s technically game play so included.

 

I'm not even sure what she meant, or who she was talking to.

 

What gives Em?

Here, as I said on thread, it was pretty obvious what I was referring to imo, if you read darthe’s post. Could have been the wording I used though, so meh.

 

I would also like to hear an explanation from Hallucination, re. his/her vote.

Explanation is always good.

 

 

You've been lurking. Noted.

Ishy defending me. Meh.

Not really. Just suspicious of someone casting a vote with no reasoning attached to it. Same as anyone else would do, regardless of who the vote was targeting.

 

Fair statement.

 

Wow, what an opportunistic bandwagon vote onto what looks like an easy lynch.

 

Vote Key.

 

Kay train stinks.

Didn’t say why he thought it stank. Did provide reasoning for the vote though, so null.

 

Cloud, Peace, Key scum team?

I’m fairly sure this was a joke.

 

Big ping from Luci. Firstly for voting Aid for no apparent reason, then for leaving Darthe and I off of her reads list.

She left off a lot of others though too. Why did you call her out you two and not dice, Hallu, and golden?

 

You're using meta to justify a vote against someone that doesn't have a developed meta yet. Your argument is invalid

Fair argument.

 

 

[keyholder21]

ISO on Game Related posts by Ishy (part 2):

 

 

 

I was wondering if anyone else noticed that. I always think Dice is scum, so chalked it up to my prejudices. But his unvote on Aidanna was preemo scummy.

You could have said something, then. You’d been very active even up to 12 minutes before this comment. Instead of waiting for AJ to bring it up and then commenting. Seems like an opportunity comment.

 

Kay likes to get the game started and out of the joke phase. I admire that. The first person to make that move always catches heat. I'm not going to penalize her over that.

Kay herself said she recently started doing this, so null tell. Idk what “recently” means and if she’s been doing it long enough for Ishy to notice. I haven’t been around to see how many games they’ve played together.

 

Sweet Jesus, a coherent thought from Peace. How strange.

I lol’d.

 

Unvote.

Technically game play, so it’s included. If you’re curious, it’s an unvote from me. Again, lol.

 

Someone care to explain what the cases against Luci and Aid are about?

Couldn’t read them yourself?

 

I'm here with the hammer in my hand, will keep it from going random. Still think my Key has been the scummiest today but no one seems to agree.

Null tell. Solid move for either team. If town, saves from random hitting a PR. If scum, gains town cred and has an excuse for voting a townie.

 

 

 

I'm here with the hammer in my hand, will keep it from going random. Still think my Key has been the scummiest today but no one seems to agree.

If you think it why don't you vote for her then?

 

I had my vote on her the entire day, until about 3 hours ago. No point in wasting a vote on someone that has zero chance of being lynched.

 

You'd know this if you hadn't been skimming the whole time.

 

True statement. If you really thought I was by far and away the scummiest though, you should have fought for my lynch instead of just voting and not really mentioning it again.

 

Vote AJ.

Just included because it’s technically game play. Should be noted though, that this only took place after someone else (me) made the switch to make AJ’s train 5. Ishy could have voted anytime between Golden’s vote (which put AJ ahead of Aida) and mine. Why wait until after me when deadline was so close? Why the need to be the hammer? Would he have voted if I hadn’t switched?

Vote was good, although still a null tell, imo. Could be good for either team. Good for town because that much closer to securing a lynch, especially so close to deadline. Good for scum because if the lynch wasn’t achieved, well, hey, he voted and tried.

 

20ish minutes left. Is everyone not voting AJ just planning to let it go random then?

True. I felt this same way.

 

 

I'll be looking at Luci, Ishy and/or Darthe.

Says the guy who wasn't even around at deadline and was content to waste his vote on someone with zero chance of being lynched. Helpful.

 

Good point. Should be noted that peace flipped town though.

 

 

[keyholder21]

ISO on Game Related posts by Ishy (part 3):

 

 

 

 

Not sold on Cloud being town, but wasn't around to switch my vote.

^^In the same category as Peace.

 

True. Could be distancing from teammate.

 

 

 

Working graveyards this week. Was at sleep during the deadline. But..I'll be looking at you Ishy. We will know about you tomorrow.

Seems like scum took this as a cop claim. Question is did they use it to frame Ishy or would Ishy be obvious?

 

 

Have you ever known me to be obvious?

 

Could be distancing from a teammate.

 

Did peoples panties really get in a wad because someone was a little harsh? Grow a backbone people, this is mafia, not Monopoly. I'd happily kill anyone of you, that's how it goes. Just, wow.

Technically game play, so it’s included.

 

 

Thoughts Ishy?

 

I'll give them when I get home, leaving work now.

 

Technically game play. Should be noted that he follows through on that.

 

 

GE stepping out of the game makes me feel he was Town, were he scum, he would have had his scummates calming him down in the QT. Same with Aid, so that being said, for now I feel alright about Krak and Tom. I know I'm Town, so there's three Town leans right there for me.

 

The whole Kay-Key-Luci lovefest feels staged to me. I don't think all three are scum, but think two of the three are. Not sure which two, but Key has been my strongest scum read since D1 and nothing has changed that so far. Think one of Luci-Kay are scum number two.

 

Scum number three for me is between Cloud-Darthe. Total gut feeling, but starting to think Darthes "Ishy is obv Town" manuever is completely to earn cred. And Cloud's tunneling on Kay reads as distancing to me. Could go with either of the two.

 

So to conclude:

 

Key

Kay-Luci

Darthe-Cloud

 

We have until Friday night, so I'm in no hurry. Will wait to see others chime in.

 

I already stated how I feel about him thinking GE is town just from stepping out. I can go back and grab that quote if anyone wants it. Suffice to say, I don’t think that should hold any bearing when it comes to alignment.

 

Krak replaced Golden, so I can see why that would make Ishy feel good about Krak. Tom, I think should be null because he’s posting his thoughts as he catches up.

 

I’d still like to see the lovefest that he’s referring to. I pulled his quotes (though please feel free to go back and look yourselves) and didn’t see it.

 

Seems like this post would be a prime way to show why he thinks I’m scummy, but there is nothing except that I’m his strongest scum read and that the afore mentioned lovefest feels staged. Hard to refute without evidence as to what he means.

 

Possible sidenote: It is a huge red flag to me that des didn’t go back and pull these ‘lovefest’ quotes. Usually if someone questions something that des feel strongly about, he loves to throw the evidence in their face. Not sure if this should affect my read of Ishy though. Could be buddying to make des look better; could be des trying to make Ishy look better. They do not usually get along so this is weird, imo.

 

I need to go through darthe’s quotes before I can comment on how I feel about him being on the list.

 

I feel meh about Cloud being on this list. I don’t see how he’s tunneling on Kay. Yes, he did somewhat on D1, but he has barely mentioned her with his D2 posts. In my experience/opinion, tunneling is if you just keep harping on the same exact person for multiple days, ignoring everything else that has looked scummy. Imo, Cloud is an easy target.

 

It’s not as if his vote would hammer me, or put me at L-1, or that it can’t be removed, so I don’t understand the hesitation to vote here. If he truly thinks I’m the scummiest, why not put a vote on it?

 

Should be noted that reads were only provided when asked.

 

 

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Iso on Game Related posts by Ishy (part 4):

 

 

 

It's back there aways.

Just included because it’s technically game related.

 

Can't use the search function or multiquote from my Nook, sorry. I've posted the quotes previously though.

Same as above, although, as mentioned above, I didn’t find the posts he was referring to. At least nothing looked “lovefest” to me.

 

 

Des kay hallu

Called it

Your list is wildly different from mine, with the exception of a maybe on Kay. Care to explain how you reasoned out these three?

 

Fair question. Included because it’s game related.

 

 

 

TL; DR

 

Ishy does a lot of reacting rather than proaction D1. He continues to say that I’ve been scummiest, without giving much of a reason as to why. IMO, if you think someone is scummy or scummiest, then you should argue and present evidence for their lynch. Additionally, he doesn't seem to be looking at many other people for scummy things. Are the few he's commented on really the only scummy sounding/looking things he's seen from others all game? Could be just be not interested in the game, could be scum trying to stay under the radar.

 

Leaning scum due to late D1, current day comments. Further assessment of players might change my earlier reads list.

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Will probably have to wait until tomorrow for the others.  I'll get back to it tonight at home if I can.  

[michellem]

Official Vote Count:

Key (3): Des, Dice, Kaylee
Luci (1): Tom
Hallu (1): Darthe
Dice (1): Krak


With 11 alive, 6 is needed to achieve a lynch.
Not Voting (7): Hallu, Ishy, Key, Tom, Dice, Cloud,  Luci,

Deadline 2am Saturday GMT+1 http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131214T02&p0=1375&msg=End+of+D2

 

Remember Americans that when the deadline says Saturday, that's my time; for you guys it's Friday evening.

[Kaylee]

Ok now to comment on this since I just got home. I'll clear anything up I can.

 

Key:
argues with Des saying she wasn't the next highest train, but rather she had one vote "like everyone else". Then she comments on my meta saying she hasn't played with me much. She says at the time it seemed like something to go on and that she didn't like my wording. However after reading back through she realizes she was doing the same thing and unvotes me. (How would that change her not liking my wording though? It shouldn't).

I didn’t argue with des. I pointed out an actual fact. He said I was the next highest train and I wasn’t.
I can still not like your wording, but go back through and realize that your reactions sounded genuine and thus possibly townie.

Then she tells Hallu that he can post more than once a day; says she wants to hear more from Aida, Golden and Dice; and questions why Peace still has a vote on me. (Underlined...why would this bother her?)

Twisty BS. Peace said he STILL LIKED his vote on you, so I was asking why he STILL LIKED it.

She's not sure where she sits with Despo as she agrees with some things he says but not others. She then votes Luci quoting her saying in addition to leaving off Ishy and Despo on her reads that Hallu, Dice and Golden weren't on the list either. She then, in the same paragraph, says that meh because Luci just said thought not thoughts on everyone. She says that even though Dice is missing from the list the very next post of Luci's is telling Dice to "stop posting fluff and get into the game". Key points out that Dice had been posting mostly game-related so she doesn't understand that. She comments that Luci called her out for going quiet when Dice had posted before her meaning it had been longer since he posted. (Huh? Why does that matter? Care how you look?).

More twisty BS. My point wasn’t about me. Is was that Luci called me out in her list of reads but seemed to conveniently forget dice, who was MORE QUIET than I was.

She says the vote on Aida seems badly timed and she doesn't like Luci's reasoning. She says scum work hard to be active so they don't draw attention and typically going silent is a sign of VT. She says it's like Luci didn't want to get tangled in the Key/Kay/Cloud situation so she parked a vote on Aida. Next she quotes Cloud and asks why he wants the survivor to reveal. She says she unvoted me because when she looked back she didn't see me as scummy anymore, (Ping)

This is fair. I understand it can look pingy/scummy to change your mind on something.

Ok, running out of time so just going to comment on what stands out from the rest of her posts...She starts saying Golden pushed for AJ's lynch, which I didn't really get. (I did agree with him saying he was suspicious of me D1 yet never mentioned it before his vote D2).

Then why didn’t you ask about it? Also, I explained that a few pages back. Want me to get it for you?

I find it funny that she says stepping out has no bearing on alignment, but now she's going to do an ISO on me. If I remember correctly that came about because someone questioned her on me.

 

If stepping out has no bearing on alignment...why not vote Golden's replacement? It seems like you're concerned with how you are viewed and I'm getting a scum vibe here.
I believe I answered this above.

 

1st purple: Fair enough, just stood out to me so I commented on it. You're right and that in itself is not a fair point. 

 

2nd purple: Wasn't twisting your words. I put it in my own wording...hence the link for others to click on check themselves. You're right though, I had that wrong. However not sure there's much difference. Why care if he still finds me scummy? The reason you unvoted me wasn't you found me to suddenly be more likely town, according to you it was because you realized you were also going after what you found and jumping at it. (MY wording not yours).

 

3rd purple: That's what I said. My exact wording was " She comments that Luci called her out for going quiet when Dice had posted before her meaning it had been longer since he posted." By that I was saying that Luci called you out for being quiet, when it had been longer since Dice posted and you commented on it. (There I re-worded it for you, but it still says the same thing.)

 

4th purple: Also fair enough. Like I said, it was that plus the rest. 

 

 

Overall I'm still very unsure of you but it seems my analysis was rushed. (It was unfortunately). Since my main reason for voting you is weak I'll

 

Unvote

 

I want to look at Cloud and the other players I haven't looked at yet to get a better feel for who I think might be scum. (So far I'm thinking possibly Ishy, Cloud and unsure on the last one. 

[Kaylee]

I'm only going to comment on things that stand out to me. I will link to the posts I'm referring to though. 

 

Cloud:

He starts off with voting Aida for self preservation. Then says he doesn't see why I'm defending her "so early because of it" (it being pressure). 

 

So was it for pressure or for self preservation? That's what I should've been asking D1. (Ping)

 

Then starts the Key/Cloud/Kay thing...

 

In this post he jumps on me for calling his vote opportunistic when Key  had pointed out basically the same thing and I agreed with her. He's right in that it was the same thing. The difference? He did it, then calls it a pressure vote, and is now back to saying it was for a reason. (Ping)

 

Here he quotes Dice and says that he (meaning Cloud) doesn't count his votes because he doesn't care how his play comes across and it's about time to get the game going.

 

Ok, votes don't count, you don't care how your play comes across? Doesn't seem like a townie thing. Town uses their votes as  powerful thing, and play is what we all use to gauge alignment so yes, it does matter. (Ping)

 

He then quotes me and says he didn't say that he doesn't care about his votes, but rather he doesn't care about the number (placement) of them so early in the game without a deadline.  The rest of the post is him and I arguing about how he and Key said the same thing...my comments are right below. 

 

Ok so he said he doesn't count his votes not that he doesn't care about them. Not much difference. He said nothing about about the number or placement of them. Sounds like he was caught and is now covering to make it sound better. (ping)

 

Here he's back to saying he was just pressuring her for something that stood out to him. (Ok, makes sense also explains why goes back and forth calling it pressure). He then goes on to say that "It was also the first game related thing that I noticed and I thought it was a good opportunity to start the game and go into serious mode."

 

Something about that doesn't sit right with me. Why add that part? It was explanation enough to say it was to pressure something who said something that stood out to you. Adding the other part just makes it seem like over-explaining. Especially with the next line "Don't you agree that my action falls into: "going after something that might get us nowhere" and "Letting things slide and ignoring possible leads/connections no matter how small gets us nowhere"?"

 

To me it says "look I'm doing that too so I must be town like you". 

 

Then he calls Key opportunistic for her unvote because she appears to be going with the flow on her votes. He uses this argument: "You hopped on Kay's train when it was gaining heat, and when it started to derail you jumped right off and voted for the next person that was in the spotlight, namely Luci." 

 

I went back and checked. Luci wasn't really getting heat at the time and Key's vote appears as the first on her train in the VC at that time. How is that going with the flow? Bit a slip up there Cloud? 

 

In this post he is stating why he thinks the survivor should reveal. Part of that he says it wouldn't make sense for the mafia to NK the claimed survivor. 

 

I'm going to stop there. Yes it actually does make sense because it wouldn't give town much information. Killing known townies is often a move of mafia. They go for the cop and doc, if they don't know who they are then they go for whoever will give town the least bit of information.

 

Here he says he has scum to lynch now and votes Golden with no explanation. 

 

Later on says his reason for voting Golden is "His vote on AJ was terrible, and he is now pushing for Kay's lynch and saying that he had a scum read on her yesterday, while his previous posts contradict this statement. He has also been sprouting bs for the majority of the game so far, so yeah he's most likely scum."

 

Copied the whole quote. Except for the last line, it's very similar what Key had said. Hmm it would be parroting if it weren't for the last line. She voted him for his "push" on AJ and for voting me and saying he had a previous scum read yet had never said as much.

 

Seems a very likely scum candidate to me.

[Kaylee]

Ok so I still have to look at Luci and Dice. I've given reads/thoughts on everyone else it seems.

[Luciena]

GE stepping out of the game makes me feel he was Town, were he scum, he would have had his scummates calming him down in the QT. Same with Aid, so that being said, for now I feel alright about Krak and Tom. I know I'm Town, so there's three Town leans right there for me.

 

The whole Kay-Key-Luci lovefest feels staged to me. I don't think all three are scum, but think two of the three are. Not sure which two, but Key has been my strongest scum read since D1 and nothing has changed that so far. Think one of Luci-Kay are scum number two.

 

Scum number three for me is between Cloud-Darthe. Total gut feeling, but starting to think Darthes "Ishy is obv Town" manuever is completely to earn cred. And Cloud's tunneling on Kay reads as distancing to me. Could go with either of the two.

 

So to conclude:

 

Key

Kay-Luci

Darthe-Cloud

 

We have until Friday night, so I'm in no hurry. Will wait to see others chime in.

I will start by saying that this is the longest post you have made since the game begun, first time I can actually see your thought process.

Red: Show me the "love fest" you speak of as I have not seen anything. I already stated I am town, so no matter how you look at me, I will continue being town.

 

Show me the Kay-Key-Luci lovefest please.

 

Agreed.

Don't be so touchy Des it is understandable and not uncommon to ask for summaries, whifh aren't a bad idea anyhow.

 

Btw I am calling it that Kaylee is scum.

 

@Ishy :( but you are obvtown. I can't help that.

 

Darthe, while I appreciate your effort on your first post explaining your read on Ishy for me, his punctuation has no bearing on his leanings. He always uses punctuation and always writes properly, very rarely have I seen him make a spelling mistake in the 7 months I have known him.

Bold: I deally love methodical scumhunting. D1 was weak. Recent reactions look promising.

 

Underlined: He has done nothing to change that read except abuse it a bit but then, what townie doesn't?

I am town I have not abused my position, that I know of.

 

 

Luciena seems fake 

 

Key/Cheesecake is probably biggest scum read by page 5

 

I don't trust Kaylee for some reason

 

Yeah I know it's vague, I'm running on 0 cylinders, pretty damn tired

 

Vote Key

 

 

Tom, some things you should know about me, unlike everyone else I am  new to this game. I usually avoid posting when I find something that irritates me until I have calmed down, (one exception was that post on GE yesterday for which I apologised, and I still feel bad about it.)

 

You find me fake, yet you vote Key on this post, as you find her scummy. I resent to being called fake.

I still don't like Key by end of page 8

 

I wouldn't lose sleep over a hallucination lynch

 

peace's "there's no GF this game" comment strikes me as more mafia than town since I didn't bother to take the time to read all of those setup options and I assume all wolves would

 

I see the Kaylee wagon has gone fairly smoothly, with Key being the most recent jumper at end of page 8

Red: Whilst I have not read the series, I have read something on them and wolves are the good guys in these books. 

 

 

Welcome AJ, 

 

Thought's so far...

 

Key, besides those two posts after she was called out by Darthe and Ishy, seems to have disappeared, plus the post now about baby duty :D

 

Kaylee, seems town so far. 

 

Cloud, not so sure, he seems to be playing town and getting rather aggressive.

 

Snow was a bit off to me, AJ now seems to have gone into scum hunting mode, almost building cases but not really...

 

Des and Peace, not really clear on you two. Holding judgement for the moment, You're kind of iffy

 

Aidanna, seems to have fallen off the grid. Lying low?

 

Might be a mistake but 

 

Vote Aidanna

 

This list is trash considering. It's basically "keeping my mislynching options open." Aida was (I am) town, too, so that's even worse.

 

Oh by the way.. Dice stop fluffing about and get a bit more into the game 

 

Says the fluffmeister himself. I would guess this is a wolf-to-wolf hint, I do this myself sometimes.

 

Blue: My comment to Dice was just that a teasing  comment for him to enter more into the game. 

 

Red:  It is by no means a hint, also read my point above, from what I have gathered the wolves were the good guys, so in this case the Town team. 

 

I'm gonna go ahead and say Luci is lock scum, moreso than even Key. Going to bed now and have no reservations about this, which is telling in itself since I am not as good at scumhunting as I wish I was. 

 

Unvote Key

 

Vote Luci

 

 

 

Welcome AJ, 

 

Thought's so far...

 

Key, besides those two posts after she was called out by Darthe and Ishy, seems to have disappeared, plus the post now about baby duty :D

 

Kaylee, seems town so far. 

 

Cloud, not so sure, he seems to be playing town and getting rather aggressive.

 

Snow was a bit off to me, AJ now seems to have gone into scum hunting mode, almost building cases but not really...

 

Des and Peace, not really clear on you two. Holding judgement for the moment, You're kind of iffy

 

Aidanna, seems to have fallen off the grid. Lying low?

 

Might be a mistake but 

 

Vote Aidanna

 

 

Oh by the way.. Dice stop fluffing about and get a bit more into the game 

 

 

My reason for Aidanna was that she is laying low. I haven't heard anything from her almost since she was called out on her phone blunder.

As for Ishy I have not played with you before so I am withholding judgement.

 

 

 

When I got my role PM I thougut I was evil.

 

Nope. Town this game.

 

Mafia wanna concede yet?

 

 

Ishy is total obv town btw.

Bold: my reason for leaving Darthe out is that I had the same thought when I got the role PM. I have not read the books. Never heard of them until this game. So I actually had to go and read my PM twice to make sure what my role was.

 

 

 

Might be invalid to you but it makes sense to me.

 

I got voted on because I disappeared once in a game, even though I had a sprained wrist at the time.

 

I still let people know.

 

I haven't heard anything from her, and I know she is around as I've seen her posting elsewhere

This series of posts is why I am pretty sure Luciena is scum. Her "list" is terribad, basically says "I dunno, LOL" and then she hones in on the most inactive player (who ended up subbing out) when there's actually quite a bit to go on besides all this. I don't know how Luciena, as town, can look at Cloud or Key and not think anything fishy is happening there, OR how she can ignore other totally inactive players like hallu and peace, OR how she has the nonsense thought process to call out Dice for being inactive when there's plenty of inactivity going on elsewhere from players who have a more suspicious posting history (like hallu). So my conclusion after reading this, particularly after she came across as phony early in the day, is: poppycock. If Luci flips scum she spewed Dice as scum here.

 

You buyin'? I'm sellin'. Ship it.

 

My list was just a generalised thought process it was not meant to be construed as a thorough list on everyone in the game, I left a lot of people out not just Ishy and Darthe.

 

I did not ignore Peace I had already  asked Darthe on his reasons for his vote on Peace on the same Quote I asked him to explain his reading of Ishy. Cloud had some valid points and seems town to me.

 

Key I cannot comment on so far except that her reply to Darthe's explanation to me failed to elicit a reaction from her, which put her under fire for a lack of reaction.

 

If Dice is scum then I would be glad I had somehow inadvertently exposed him as one. However my comment to him was made in jest not as a "buddy get in the game kind of thing"

 

Blue: You can't afford me. 

 

 

Hey I think I promised a pic.  What am I drinking tonight folks?

 

  

Not my cabinet, though certainly some of my bottles.  Afraid that scotch and cigars, while cliche, just work together.

  

WTL Des and AJ.  Just because they talk a lot without saying anything.

Darthe seems really disinterested since mid game which is not what I am used to with him

 

Ishi is floating pretty heavy as well

 

You guys aren't making this game easier :/

 

 Darthe is disinterested just as Des commented, and I agreed with him. I do not want to re-post what Des said because it would be along the same lines I was thinking of regarding Darthe. 

That said the Darthe I see on this game is different to the one I got to know in a previous one. He was town there so this is making me feel that something is off with him.

[Tommyrod]

Hey Luci wolf is what mafia are called in an old school mafia game called a werewolf game. Will respond when I'm home but that's just a semantics thing. When I say wolf I mean scum.

[Kaylee]

Luci:

 

First thing that stands out to me is her thoughts post. It's not that she's left some people out...it's more that most her reads boil down to not sure and iffy or town reads. Her read on Snow is that he's "a bit off" and "AJ now seems to have gone into scum hunting mode, almost building cases but not really...". I don't understand the whole building cases but not really part. Feels like she's stretching to say something cautiously as if saying I think so and so might be scum/town might get her too much attention. 

 

Next post that caught my attention was this one. She's telling Dice to stop fluffing about when most of his posts weren't fluff. Not sure where she was going with that. 

 

Here  she tells Peace to make a proper case against her or she'll add him to her suspect list and explains her fluff comment to Dice was for him to "get into the game". As I've said before he was so I don't understand this. This pinged me.

 

In this post she asks me who I think the Survivor is while quoting Darthe's vote on me asking for others to question me. Why does it matter who I think the survivor is? I'm not trying to find him/her. I'm trying to find scum. This also pinged

 

Needless to say I could see her being scum. (So far I have Ishy, Key, Cloud, and Luci as possible scum. I'm not sure about Darthe...but I think I said that already. I know that's too many but those are the ones I'm most suspicious of.)

 

Dice:

 

There wasn't much to look at. The one thing was this. He says he looked at Golden's posts and says "Granted I don't get why he voted kaylee today. fine he was "leaning scum" apparently but im not seeing how his reasons for voting her today work." He says he thinks Key is grasping. 

 

How is that fine when he never expressed the "leaning scum" before his vote? It's like he had to justify the vote and forget he never said anything about it before. Dice's not seeing that point or thinking it's stretching stands out.

 

Not sure on Dice and would definitely like to hear more from him. 

 

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