[Basic] The Circle Mafia - Game over

[Tommyrod]

Welcome AJ, 

 

Thought's so far...

 

Key, besides those two posts after she was called out by Darthe and Ishy, seems to have disappeared, plus the post now about baby duty :D

 

Kaylee, seems town so far. 

 

Cloud, not so sure, he seems to be playing town and getting rather aggressive.

 

Snow was a bit off to me, AJ now seems to have gone into scum hunting mode, almost building cases but not really...

 

Des and Peace, not really clear on you two. Holding judgement for the moment, You're kind of iffy

 

Aidanna, seems to have fallen off the grid. Lying low?

 

Might be a mistake but 

 

Vote Aidanna

 

This list is trash considering. It's basically "keeping my mislynching options open." Aida was (I am) town, too, so that's even worse.

 

Oh by the way.. Dice stop fluffing about and get a bit more into the game 

 

Says the fluffmeister himself. I would guess this is a wolf-to-wolf hint, I do this myself sometimes.

[Tommyrod]

I'm gonna go ahead and say Luci is lock scum, moreso than even Key. Going to bed now and have no reservations about this, which is telling in itself since I am not as good at scumhunting as I wish I was. 

 

Unvote Key

 

Vote Luci

[hazelkrs1]

Tommy looks pretty town judging from his catchup posts. Although I don't like him switching his vote off of Key rather prematurely.

 

And btw, I wasn't trying to be a jerk when I told him not to be lazy. I sincerely wanted him to scan through the thread on his own without getting any summaries or opinions from others. This makes it easier to read whether someone in his position had a predisposed slant or lean while they are catching up, and more importantly had he been told to look for certain interactions and exchanges he might have missed others that would have been valuable to point out.

[Darthe]

Oh man I forgot that this game had a good open.  Actually I forgot that Hallu was in the game.

 

Unvote Vote Hallu

[hazelkrs1]

^^^ Scum.

 

Although Hallucination DOES need to step it up big time.

 

But Darthe looks like he's trying to cover for his teammate.

[dicetosser1]

key i looked again and owe u an apology golden was on the final train. However you complaining he made AJ the largest train close to deadline doesn't work for me.  It was close to deadline someone had to become the largest train. If it had been anyone else would u have complained?

 

vote key

[hazelkrs1]

key i looked again and owe u an apology golden was on the final train. However you complaining he made AJ the largest train close to deadline doesn't work for me.  It was close to deadline someone had to become the largest train. If it had been anyone else would u have complained?

 

vote key

 

Nice bus vote Dice.

[Tommyrod]

Welcome AJ, 

 

Thought's so far...

 

Key, besides those two posts after she was called out by Darthe and Ishy, seems to have disappeared, plus the post now about baby duty :D

 

Kaylee, seems town so far. 

 

Cloud, not so sure, he seems to be playing town and getting rather aggressive.

 

Snow was a bit off to me, AJ now seems to have gone into scum hunting mode, almost building cases but not really...

 

Des and Peace, not really clear on you two. Holding judgement for the moment, You're kind of iffy

 

Aidanna, seems to have fallen off the grid. Lying low?

 

Might be a mistake but 

 

Vote Aidanna

 

 

Oh by the way.. Dice stop fluffing about and get a bit more into the game 

 

 

My reason for Aidanna was that she is laying low. I haven't heard anything from her almost since she was called out on her phone blunder.

As for Ishy I have not played with you before so I am withholding judgement.

 

 

 

When I got my role PM I thougut I was evil.

 

Nope. Town this game.

 

Mafia wanna concede yet?

 

 

Ishy is total obv town btw.

Bold: my reason for leaving Darthe out is that I had the same thought when I got the role PM. I have not read the books. Never heard of them until this game. So I actually had to go and read my PM twice to make sure what my role was.

 

 

 

Might be invalid to you but it makes sense to me.

 

I got voted on because I disappeared once in a game, even though I had a sprained wrist at the time.

 

I still let people know.

 

I haven't heard anything from her, and I know she is around as I've seen her posting elsewhere

This series of posts is why I am pretty sure Luciena is scum. Her "list" is terribad, basically says "I dunno, LOL" and then she hones in on the most inactive player (who ended up subbing out) when there's actually quite a bit to go on besides all this. I don't know how Luciena, as town, can look at Cloud or Key and not think anything fishy is happening there, OR how she can ignore other totally inactive players like hallu and peace, OR how she has the nonsense thought process to call out Dice for being inactive when there's plenty of inactivity going on elsewhere from players who have a more suspicious posting history (like hallu). So my conclusion after reading this, particularly after she came across as phony early in the day, is: poppycock. If Luci flips scum she spewed Dice as scum here.

 

You buyin'? I'm sellin'. Ship it.

[Tommyrod]

Ishy and AJ both defending Kaylee like this makes me nervous. Ishy not as much, although he had an earlier post I didn't like; he knows Kay's meta enough to make that determination (tho I disagree about his saying she always liked getting the game started). AJ doesn't really know enough to say yet, and in general his defense of her just strikes me as off. Thinking of switching to either.

 

 

 

Cloud, Peace, Key scum team?

This was the post I was referring to of Ishy's, this came after Darthe "asked" if people were still voting Kaylee. Cloud, Peace, and Key were the only ones voting Kay at the time.

 

Ishy is experienced enough to know how unlikely it would be that a whole train on someone day 1 would consist solely if mafia. Seems like fake scumhunting to me

 

 

 

And oh yeah- I remember AJ also asking about where Kay backtracked- it was on her fos of Cloud, where she quibbled over the difference between two things that were the same, and later admitted so. I think she even admitted it was backtracking, can't remember.

 

 

 

 

Ishy and AJ both defending Kaylee like this makes me nervous. Ishy not as much, although he had an earlier post I didn't like; he knows Kay's meta enough to make that determination (tho I disagree about his saying she always liked getting the game started). AJ doesn't really know enough to say yet, and in general his defense of her just strikes me as off. Thinking of switching to either.

Nuff said.

Yeahhhhh AJ is trying to play this all "too cool for school".

 

Obvious scum.

 

Unvote, Vote AJ

 

This is the game where we just have to bold, right?

 

 

 

 

I said it's possible because it is. It's D1 and I don't have solid reads yet. I'm just going with what stands out. Besides you only have two votes right now. Mine and Snows. He says there is no reason, just a feeling.

 

TBH I dont know when Ill get solid reads lmao XP Im probably just going to be doing a guess and check and see what all of you end up doing. 

 

Welcome AJ, 

 

Thought's so far...

 

Key, besides those two posts after she was called out by Darthe and Ishy, seems to have disappeared, plus the post now about baby duty :D

 

Kaylee, seems town so far. 

 

Cloud, not so sure, he seems to be playing town and getting rather aggressive.

 

Snow was a bit off to me, AJ now seems to have gone into scum hunting mode, almost building cases but not really...

 

Des and Peace, not really clear on you two. Holding judgement for the moment, You're kind of iffy

 

Aidanna, seems to have fallen off the grid. Lying low?

 

Might be a mistake but 

 

Vote Aidanna

 

 

Big ping from Luci. Firstly for voting Aid for no apparent reason, then for leaving Darthe and I off of her reads list.

 

Im not on the list either :(

 

Unvote Darthe

Vote AJ

 

The vibe feeling is mutual, plus you took Snowflake's spot which is always bad. Always. #WeWantSnowyBack

 

You guys should probably lynch Hallu merely for this, but Des you need to step your game up if you're town, this looks completely bonkers stupid to me and I am reading it for the first time

[michellem]

Official Vote Count:

Key (2): Des, Dice
Luci (1): Tom
Hallu (1): Darthe


With 11 alive, 6 is needed to achieve a lynch.
Not Voting (9): Kaylee, Hallu, Ishy, Key, Tom, Dice, Cloud,  Luci, Krak

Deadline 2am Saturday GMT+1 http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131214T02&p0=1375&msg=End+of+D2

[Kaylee]

Not sure how much time I have but I plan to do as many as I can...I'm going to switch up and comment on the game-related posts only now so as to get more done before my daughter wakes up. FYI all my comments are in ().

 

Getting a town vibe from Tom as he seems to honestly scum-hunting and making an effort.

 

Key:

Starts off joking around. She then makes this post about Aida being afraid of making a mistake or killed D1. She then says Cloud not caring how he plays is very unhelpful to town, tells Luci she can ask Darthe for an explanation but he won't likely give one, says I'm starting off aggressive and jumping on Golden without regarding the whole thread. (Wasn't sure what she meant there.) In reply to Darthe's question regarding her little response to his read she posts it's impossible to tell this early he's just looking for reactions. (Kinda funny as Darthe just about always posts things for reactions early game). In response to Darthe's FOS she posts that she thinks his reasons and FOS are silly. She says that avoiding a reaction when you know that's what someone is looking for can be useful in either alignment. Next she agrees with Despo on his looking at me for looking at Cloud. She votes me for my "I may be wrong" and because I wanted to make sure I was able to "go after" something. She then  responds to my emo by saying it seems like I was trying to appeal my innocence if the flip wasn't in my favor and says my "going after anything that might go somewhere" sounds sketchy. Next she teases Ishy and argues with Des saying she wasn't the next highest train, but rather she had one vote "like everyone else". Then she comments on my meta saying she hasn't played with me much. She says at the time it seemed like something to go on and that she didn't like my wording. However after reading back through she realizes she was doing the same thing and unvotes me. (How would that change her not liking my wording though? It shouldn't). Then she tells Hallu that he can post more than once a day; says she wants to hear more from Aida, Golden and Dice; and questions why Peace still has a vote on me.  (Underlined...why would this bother her?) She's not sure where she sits with Despo as she agrees with some things he says but not others. She then votes Luci quoting her saying in addition to leaving off Ishy and Despo on her reads that Hallu, Dice and Golden weren't on the list either. She then, in the same paragraph, says that meh because Luci just said thought not thoughts on everyone.  She says that even though Dice is missing from the list the very next post of Luci's is telling Dice to "stop posting fluff and get into the game". Key points out that Dice had been posting mostly game-related so she doesn't understand that. She comments that Luci called her out for going quiet when Dice had posted before her meaning it had been longer since he posted. (Huh? Why does that matter? Care how you look?). She says the vote on Aida seems badly timed and she doesn't like Luci's reasoning. She says scum work hard to be active so they don't draw attention and typically going silent is a sign of VT. She says it's like Luci didn't want to get tangled in the Key/Kay/Cloud situation so she parked a vote on Aida.  Next she quotes Cloud and asks why he wants the survivor to reveal. She says she unvoted me because when she looked back she didn't see me as scummy anymore, (Ping) and asks how her unvoting was opportunistic. She says if anything it's going to draw her "an incredible amount of flak". She asks him what makes him think Luci is town and says her vote wasn't for leaving people off the list. Next she addresses Cloud saying voting 2 people D1 isn't going with the flow. She says Luci wasn't in the spotlight at the time and she notes his defense of her. She then tell Cloud/AJ that a survivor claim unless necessary is silly and explains why she thinks so. She then comments that blind lynching is typical D1 and that all the train are under 3 votes so saying next highest train in Nil. She states that voting an inactive D1 is lazy. Her next post she tells Luci she saw the posts in question and patronizing isn't helpful. She says Luci later including them could easily be scum realizing they made a mistake as it could be a townie being forgetful. She re-quotes her post to show Luci her vote wasn't just about leaving people off the list and says " I don't have to quote every single one of your posts when I make a case.  The ones I choose are the ones I choose to use.  They are for my argument and if you have others that you think go against my case, then it's your responsibilty (as you did) to go back and grab those." She again questions the post about Dice fluffing. 

 

Ok, running out of time so just going to comment on what stands out from the rest of her posts...She starts saying Golden pushed for AJ's lynch, which I didn't really get. (I did agree with him saying he was suspicious of me D1 yet never mentioned it before his vote D2). I find it funny that she says stepping out has no bearing on alignment, but now she's going to do an ISO on me. If I remember correctly that came about because someone questioned her on me.

 

Vote Key

 

If stepping out has no bearing on alignment...why not vote Golden's replacement? It seems like you're concerned with how you are viewed and I'm getting a scum vibe here.

[Darthe]

Des kay hallu

 

Called it

[michellem]

Official Vote Count:

Key (3): Des, Dice, Kaylee
Luci (1): Tom
Hallu (1): Darthe


With 11 alive, 6 is needed to achieve a lynch.
Not Voting (8): Hallu, Ishy, Key, Tom, Dice, Cloud,  Luci, Krak

Deadline 2am Saturday GMT+1 http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131214T02&p0=1375&msg=End+of+D2

[John E. Kelley]

Des kay hallu

Called it

Your list is wildly different from mine, with the exception of a maybe on Kay. Care to explain how you reasoned out these three?

[Kaylee]

Des kay hallu

 

Called it

Possibly Hallu haven't read back on Despo yet, but Kaylee is town

[keyholder21]

If stepping out has no bearing on alignment...why not vote Golden's replacement? It seems like you're concerned with how you are viewed and I'm getting a scum vibe here.

Wow, are you serious with this?

 

Stepping out doesn't matter, but PLAY does.  I am not going to vote Krak based on his predecessor's play.  

 

You also thought Golden was scummy and voted him, so where is your vote on Krak?    Oh, that's right.  You said:

 

 

Was suspicious of Golden...but as he's been replaced will allow Krak to speak. Krak please participate!

 

 

Hypocrite.

 

Also, I am doing an ISO on you because darthe specifically ASKED me for thoughts on you and rather than jumping at something just because of a few posts (which bit me earlier in the game), I wanted to look at all your posts.

 

For your reference:

 

 

Back to the fun?

 

Hey Key, I think you're town. What did you think of Kaylees reactions in the last few pages? I found them to be poor and my forming rhoughts on her are becoming quickly escalated by how universally ignored those reactions are.

 

[keyholder21]

My guess for scum:  des, dice, and now possibly kay.  Still have to go back and look at people.  Got busy at work this morning.

[Kaylee]

Not a hypocrite Key. You stated his leaving didn't speak to his alignment...I let it drop because I always let the replacement speak for themselves. I'm not saying you can't. It was that you argued against the alignment. That wasn't my only reason either. I'm getting a scum vibe from you so I voted you.

[Kaylee]

I voted you for the reasons listed above. I understand the misunderstanding in what I was trying to say. But that wasn't the only reason. I like how you were going to look at me anyway but now "possibly" Kaylee is scum.

[keyholder21]

Yeah, I argued against it because of this post:

 

GE stepping out of the game makes me feel he was Town, were he scum, he would have had his scummates calming him down in the QT. Same with Aid, so that being said, for now I feel alright about Krak and Tom. I know I'm Town, so there's three Town leans right there for me.

 

 

He should not be auto cleared because he stepped out.

 

Okay, I'll go through your post on me then and comment.

[keyholder21]

I voted you for the reasons listed above. I understand the misunderstanding in what I was trying to say. But that wasn't the only reason. I like how you were going to look at me anyway but now "possibly" Kaylee is scum.

 

Yeah, I was going to look at you, because again, darthe asked me to.  Here's I'll quote my post for you. Yeah, now possibly because you have weak reasoning to get on my train.  

 

 

 

Also, I am doing an ISO on you because darthe specifically ASKED me for thoughts on you and rather than jumping at something just because of a few posts (which bit me earlier in the game), I wanted to look at all your posts.

 

For your reference:

 

 

Back to the fun?

 

Hey Key, I think you're town. What did you think of Kaylees reactions in the last few pages? I found them to be poor and my forming rhoughts on her are becoming quickly escalated by how universally ignored those reactions are.

 

 

[John E. Kelley]

Yeah, I argued against it because of this post:

 

 

GE stepping out of the game makes me feel he was Town, were he scum, he would have had his scummates calming him down in the QT. Same with Aid, so that being said, for now I feel alright about Krak and Tom. I know I'm Town, so there's three Town leans right there for me.

 

 

He should not be auto cleared because he stepped out.

 

Okay, I'll go through your post on me then and comment.

Where did I say he was "auto cleared?" I said I feel he's Town, not that I know it. Nice spin there, flail moar plz.

[keyholder21]

Key:

argues with Des saying she wasn't the next highest train, but rather she had one vote "like everyone else". Then she comments on my meta saying she hasn't played with me much. She says at the time it seemed like something to go on and that she didn't like my wording. However after reading back through she realizes she was doing the same thing and unvotes me. (How would that change her not liking my wording though? It shouldn't).

I didn’t argue with des. I pointed out an actual fact. He said I was the next highest train and I wasn’t.

I can still not like your wording, but go back through and realize that your reactions sounded genuine and thus possibly townie.

Then she tells Hallu that he can post more than once a day; says she wants to hear more from Aida, Golden and Dice; and questions why Peace still has a vote on me. (Underlined...why would this bother her?)

Twisty BS. Peace said he STILL LIKED his vote on you, so I was asking why he STILL LIKED it.

She's not sure where she sits with Despo as she agrees with some things he says but not others. She then votes Luci quoting her saying in addition to leaving off Ishy and Despo on her reads that Hallu, Dice and Golden weren't on the list either. She then, in the same paragraph, says that meh because Luci just said thought not thoughts on everyone. She says that even though Dice is missing from the list the very next post of Luci's is telling Dice to "stop posting fluff and get into the game". Key points out that Dice had been posting mostly game-related so she doesn't understand that. She comments that Luci called her out for going quiet when Dice had posted before her meaning it had been longer since he posted. (Huh? Why does that matter? Care how you look?).

More twisty BS. My point wasn’t about me. Is was that Luci called me out in her list of reads but seemed to conveniently forget dice, who was MORE QUIET than I was.

She says the vote on Aida seems badly timed and she doesn't like Luci's reasoning. She says scum work hard to be active so they don't draw attention and typically going silent is a sign of VT. She says it's like Luci didn't want to get tangled in the Key/Kay/Cloud situation so she parked a vote on Aida. Next she quotes Cloud and asks why he wants the survivor to reveal. She says she unvoted me because when she looked back she didn't see me as scummy anymore, (Ping)

This is fair. I understand it can look pingy/scummy to change your mind on something.

 

Ok, running out of time so just going to comment on what stands out from the rest of her posts...She starts saying Golden pushed for AJ's lynch, which I didn't really get. (I did agree with him saying he was suspicious of me D1 yet never mentioned it before his vote D2).

 

Then why didn’t you ask about it? Also, I explained that a few pages back. Want me to get it for you?

I find it funny that she says stepping out has no bearing on alignment, but now she's going to do an ISO on me. If I remember correctly that came about because someone questioned her on me.

 

If stepping out has no bearing on alignment...why not vote Golden's replacement? It seems like you're concerned with how you are viewed and I'm getting a scum vibe here.

I believe I answered this above.

[keyholder21]

 

Yeah, I argued against it because of this post:

 

GE stepping out of the game makes me feel he was Town, were he scum, he would have had his scummates calming him down in the QT. Same with Aid, so that being said, for now I feel alright about Krak and Tom. I know I'm Town, so there's three Town leans right there for me.

 

He should not be auto cleared because he stepped out.

 

Okay, I'll go through your post on me then and comment.

 

Where did I say he was "auto cleared?" I said I feel he's Town, not that I know it. Nice spin there, flail moar plz.

 

Yeah, you shouldn't auto clear him because of that.

[keyholder21]

Bah, the last line in the responses to Kaylee should be inside the quote box of hers. Not sure why it isn't.