[Advanced] Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy Mafia (Day 6 - Town Wins)

[csarmi]

I do. I see no other plausible explanation. I know he didn't do the kill.

No one cc'd him on it and I'm sure anyone would have town player would have done that already. so he's teamed with the player who sent in the kill.

 

Which means he's scum and almost surely a godfather (Despo's clear on him + if two teams, the second team would have a godfather too and who else to do the claim - GF prevents being busted by cop view).

[Niniel]

Okay.

 

## Unvote

 

## Vote Rag

[Darthe]

I RB'd rag, Salami says he did something similar, the actions do not match up.  I, in this instance, have to protect my own life even though I would rather us resolve this with night actions.

 

##Unvote vote rag

[Darthe]

That is 4/4

[peacesells]

Csarmi's theory still doesn't explain 2 kills last night.  Can you address this please Csarmi.

 

And someone mentioned they don't understand why I don't want to lynch darthe.  That's pretty easy..I'm not in the habit of lynching players I've had a innocent viewing on.  Imaging that?

[csarmi]

@Peace - sure: Team Cloud killed Krak, Team Rags killed Cloud - what's so complex about that?

[Andrej]

There were two NKs on N2. How do you explain that?

[Pralaya]

 

 

...Not gonna comment on the Csarmi/Rags thing?

 

Not willing to join the Darthe-lynch, a vanilla, to check Peace?

 

Check him? Nice try. This whole game has been about "test this guy", "check that guy " etc.

 

You wanted to lynch Verbal to "get more information". He flipped town. Now what? What did you get from it?

 

I believe in scumhunting rather than wasting time lynching who I believe is town.

 

 

Verbal's lynch DID give us info on some of the remaining players. Furthermore, he wasn't just an "info" lynch, I thought he was almost assuredly scum.

 

In this case, altho Darthe is more of an info lynch, there is potentially MUCH more info that can be obtained from it.

 

And for a scumhunter, you didn't exactly seem to be trying that hard. The reasoning that led to your vote on AJ wasn't that strong, felt forced to me.

 

 

Most of them who voted Verbal was to gather info. He did not seem scummy at all or I would have hammered him day 1. That was your typical misread that I see from you almost every game.

 

You listed the possibilities about Darthe and you listed what? Some 3 possibilities if he is town and 3 possibilities if he is scum. How is that an info lynch? It just adds a whole lot of WIFOM to the already existing one. The first priority should be to figure out the game format, after which it would be a good info lynch.

 

The opportunistic trigger hunting is a good scumtell. Just like the early Cloud aggressiveness. If not all, I am most assuredly sure at least two of them are.

 

In fact, I find Mish overdoing the "I am playing a bad game" angle. Right from the beginning to yesterday, she is pretending to be naive.Yesterday's post was so fake. I am surprised that you don't see it

 

##unvote vote Mish

[Andrej]

I'm retarded lol

 

Ignore that last question. I got the NKs from both Nights mixed up.

[hazelkrs1]

The reason I didn't list confirming my sanity among the Rag results is that it wouldnt- because I got two innocent views. CS's entire theory is that Rags claimed his team's kill because he's the GF- so even if he flipped scum we still won't have tested my sanity. To do that we'd have to lynch Tina, and even then might have to potentially lynch another of my viewings to confirm my sanity.

 

Rags flipping GF could mean I'm scum trying to clear him, or a normal Cop, or a naive Cop, or a 50% right Cop or something.

 

Peace already knows one of his views was unusual, getting a guilty on a GF. Lynching Darthe COULD confirm his sanity, or give us two scum for the price of one.

 

Also I generally agree with Rags that claiming his teammate's kill without knowing what happened during the night would be way too risky and could end up blowing up in his face too easily.

 

Another big problem I have with CS's theory is that if there are two scum teams, I don't think they'd both get a NK every night. Seems completely implausible.

 

Also, before CS's reveal, I found him very scummy, and he is unwilling to consider that Rags could be telling the truth, and there could have been diff role tomfoolery last night (like CS getting RB'ed)

[Andrej]

Csarmi's theory still doesn't explain 2 kills last night.  Can you address this please Csarmi.

 

And someone mentioned they don't understand why I don't want to lynch darthe.  That's pretty easy..I'm not in the habit of lynching players I've had a innocent viewing on.  Imaging that?

 

But you were willing to lynch yourself to test your views.

 

Sketchy, again.

[hazelkrs1]

So yeah, lynching Darthe is still a much better idea. Also less risk, since he's essentially vanilla. And his lynch has much more reward- we would be testing one of our cop's.

 

A Nexus is able to redirect all NA's directed towards him to another target.

[hazelkrs1]

And someone mentioned they don't understand why I don't want to lynch darthe. That's pretty easy..I'm not in the habit of lynching players I've had a innocent viewing on. Imaging that?

You've already had one of your viewings flip- that apparently went against what your view said of him. Lynching Darthe could help confirm your sanity, if youre either a "hard" cop or an Insane cop, youre very valuable to us. If not, then youre scum or your role is useless

[TheRagnarok]

 

I believe Csarmi but I still don´t get why Rag would claim a kill that he didn´t commit. Maybe Csarmi was blocked? But our roleblocker has claimed to have only one shot. I don´t know.... 

 

##Vote Darthe

 

It was weird that Peace didn´t want to lynch him. That is why I´m voting Darthe but also because I have no idea what to do right now and we need a lynch.

@Tina - because he's a godfather and knew that he was "safe" as in from cop views. So claiming the kill should be a good move. Having a kill with a "confirmed town" title (what he was going for) is golden for any scum team. Again, a ballsy move. I like it, actually.

 

So now I'm a godfather too?  You keep changing up your theories after I show why the last one made absolutely no sense.

 

Csarmi's theory still doesn't explain 2 kills last night.  Can you address this please Csarmi.

 

And someone mentioned they don't understand why I don't want to lynch darthe.  That's pretty easy..I'm not in the habit of lynching players I've had a innocent viewing on.  Imaging that?

It doesn't because under his theory, another member of my faction has the kill.  However, I was supposedly RBed by Darthe N1.  So that still doesn't explain the lack of a kill N1.

 

The reason I didn't list confirming my sanity among the Rag results is that it wouldnt- because I got two innocent views. CS's entire theory is that Rags claimed his team's kill because he's the GF- so even if he flipped scum we still won't have tested my sanity. To do that we'd have to lynch Tina, and even then might have to potentially lynch another of my viewings to confirm my sanity.

 

Rags flipping GF could mean I'm scum trying to clear him, or a normal Cop, or a naive Cop, or a 50% right Cop or something.

 

Peace already knows one of his views was unusual, getting a guilty on a GF. Lynching Darthe COULD confirm his sanity, or give us two scum for the price of one.

 

Also I generally agree with Rags that claiming his teammate's kill without knowing what happened during the night would be way too risky and could end up blowing up in his face too easily.

 

Another big problem I have with CS's theory is that if there are two scum teams, I don't think they'd both get a NK every night. Seems completely implausible.

 

Also, before CS's reveal, I found him very scummy, and he is unwilling to consider that Rags could be telling the truth, and there could have been diff role tomfoolery last night (like CS getting RB'ed)

Hooray!  Someone with a brain!

[TheRagnarok]

@Peace - sure: Team Cloud killed Krak, Team Rags killed Cloud - what's so complex about that?

So then where was the N1 kill?  If I took credit for someone else's kill...why didn't their kill show up N1?  Darthe says he RBed me so that's out. 

 

Your entire theory is stupid, but being as you are lying, you know that and are laughing your ass off in scum chat.

[hazelkrs1]

Also, notice how Darthe is now voting to save his own skin, after he himself agreed that lynching him was the way to go?

[hazelkrs1]

If Salami is scum, he's not laughing his ass off in the QT, he's spamming his ass off in it

[Darthe]

yeah I want to save myself pecans because the salami info makes other options equally viable and I am aware of my alignment

 

past that if I get lunch and then peace dies in the night what good did my Lynch do

[TheRagnarok]

His theory makes literally no sense from a kills point, a logic point, a role point or any other point.  He knows that if I live through today, he goes tonight which means I've taken out two members of his faction so he has nothing to lose.  He may as well try to take me down with him. 

 

He has changed his theory more than once.  That's not a good sign. 

[peacesells]

Rhags..there was a Night 1 kill.  There wasn't a 2nd.  If you were the killer and were RB's by Darthe..then that explains it.  Where are you trying to go with this.

 

 

AJ...there was no way I was gonna be lynched with my self vote.  Sometimes...once in a while, but not very often...people have deeper reasons for taking actions than what appears.  Hope you get the sarcasm.

 

I'm coming down to the best test today if we are testing is Csarmi or Rags.

 

 

The best lynch today would be Mish based on scummy play.

[hazelkrs1]

I don't think Salami has changed his theory about that Rags, from what I remember he was suggesting you could be a GF right from when he revealed

[Darthe]

Peace I don't think Mish is going to happen. This isn't about gameplay right now it is about actions.

[hazelkrs1]

Mish has bandwagoned a LOT this game, I agree that her play has seemed off

[TheRagnarok]

Rhags..there was a Night 1 kill.  There wasn't a 2nd.  If you were the killer and were RB's by Darthe..then that explains it.  Where are you trying to go with this.

 

 

AJ...there was no way I was gonna be lynched with my self vote.  Sometimes...once in a while, but not very often...people have deeper reasons for taking actions than what appears.  Hope you get the sarcasm.

 

I'm coming down to the best test today if we are testing is Csarmi or Rags.

 

 

The best lynch today would be Mish based on scummy play.

Csarmi's theory is that I can not be the killer because he jailed me last night.  So...if it wasn't me...then why no 2nd N1 kill?  He claims that I took credit for a scummate's kill N2(still never gave any reason on why I would do that instead of letting my scummate take the credit), but if that's the case...there should have been a 2nd N1 kill.  His theory is completely illogical.

[Darthe]

I blocked you N1.