[Advanced] Vacation Mafia! Day 7

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Umm... I think a better question to clear yourself would have been "Did anyone else have a N0 action?" Cause N0 occurred, but N0's are pretty much always intended as game setup phases. What do you expect her to say? Of course she will say N0 happened. But that says nothing of night actions. Quit trying to game the mod.

 

Why, who do you know that had a N0 action?

[ReleaseTheEvil]

 

Vote BG

 

Still think RTE is mafia as well, as is Des. I think they tried to get a quick win here, which might mean that there are 4 scum left.  

 

Also, I think that the reason for the absence of a kill is because I blocked someone tonight. That or a doc claim of course. 

 

I´m a JoaT. NotBob killed Darthe. I blocked someone tonight. I still have a doc protection left so Mish will live another night. 

 

I thought about if it´s time to reveal or not but I think we need to get the information out there and even if I die tonight I will still be able to protect Mish.

 

 

Do you believe Mish or not Tina? If you do, then I only see a couple of options for your scum reads to be true. 

Despo and RTE according to Mish are both town, so if you see them as mafia and recruitment is too far fetched, then Mish must have been messed with twice already. In which case you must concede the possibility that her view on me could have been tampered with.

Or there is recruitment in play, in which case, Mish's findings are bunk as anyone on her list could be compromised, or even herself.

 

I mentioned before. I'm calling the mafia team as RTE, Tina, Key, Krak, and probably one other. Mish as a possible recruit.

 

 

@Tina I use the word views and reads interchangeably. As I don't think BG is the cop didn't clarify. Someone mentioned this earlier as well, that is what I meant by views.

[bgrishinko]

Not trying to game the mod, just trying to discredit you for the scum that you are.

 

@Mod Were NAs submitted on N0?

 

What's wrong BG? Afraid she might answer?

 

Your last question was "Was there a N0?" This is a better question, however it is still a question that should rightfully be aimed at other players, not the Mod.

 

 

Umm... I think a better question to clear yourself would have been "Did anyone else have a N0 action?" Cause N0 occurred, but N0's are pretty much always intended as game setup phases. What do you expect her to say? Of course she will say N0 happened. But that says nothing of night actions. Quit trying to game the mod.

 

Why, who do you know that had a N0 action?

 

 

You said you had a N0 protect. That's a lie. However, if it wasn't, you'd ask if anyone else (besides yourself) had a N0 action. I don't understand what's so complicated about that. Are you worried that nobody else had a N0 act? Maybe you had a N0 recruit?

[ReleaseTheEvil]

BG this recruit hypothesis is a load of bull and you know it.

 

There has been NOTHING to suggest a recruitment mechanic. Your strongest evidence is your interpretation of one of the scene write-ups. This is purely sowing WIFOM. You know it. I know it. Soon everyone will know it. If you wanted to do this you should have breadcrumbed this a long time ago. Too little too late. Not sure if you really were busy in R/L or not but your back is against the wall and suddenly you are so active and not only claim Doc, but suspect a previously unsuggested and unfounded recruitment mechanic.

 

Right.

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

 

BG (2): RTE, Tina

RTE (1): BG

Not Voting (8): Mish, Yates, Csarmi, Key, Pral, Despo, Krak, Red

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is Tuesday Nov 5th 9:00pm MST http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131105T21&p0=197&msg=D5

 

Let's try this:

 

@MOD: Was there a N0?

Yes there was a N0.

[Kaylee]

Not trying to game the mod, just trying to discredit you for the scum that you are.

 

@Mod Were NAs submitted on N0?

 

What's wrong BG? Afraid she might answer?

PAFO 

[bgrishinko]

I didn't bring up the scene. I hadn't even noticed the wording in that scene, someone else brought that up. My thought about recruitment mainly started around here:

 

 

 

3. Yates -  still isn’t offering much and is voting the cop.  Despite me wanting to vote him for this, I don’t know how I feel about him.  It’s scummy to vote the cop...

What makes you believe Mish is a TOWN cop?

 

 

Yates had a pretty good tirade of thinking Mish to be scum after voting her. His wording here strongly implies that she not be lying, but she might not be town either. In my mind, that means that yates could have had some sort of reason to believe that. i.e. Unrecruitable.

 

Non town cops are pretty rare. I think I've only seen it once outside of recruiting scum games.

 

See? This is where I started to think about it.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Perhaps but there is a difference in "starting to think about something" to making the leap to it actually going on in the game.

 

When did you make that leap? After Mish viewed you as scum?

 

I want to hear more from Red, Pral, and Yates please. At this rate there won't be enough players to finish the game...

[Pralaya]

These were RTE's next few posts.

 

First, let me say with COMPLETE confidence that any townie there would have CC'ed BG immediately. Town had already lost 6 people, without a single scummie dying. We needed anything we could get at that point. RTE was completely aware of BG's claim, and although he clearly expressed disbelief, and acted like it was scummy to claim a role that would almost def be in the game, HE NEVER CC'S. Not until after Mish came forth with a guilty on BG. Aint no freaking way. Nuh uh.

Specifically talking about this point.

 

Assuming BG fake claimed, his I would NOT have cc'ed if I was the doc. BG was clearly fishing out the doc so that they can utilise their NK well. They only knew Mish was cop and was sure that the doc would protect Mish. So, the scum had to know who the doc was in order to have an informed kill. CC'g the claim would have drove you right through BGs bait. So, I understand why RTE did not claim that night. 

 

 

I´m also going to read through some but can´t until later on. From what I see from the last pages it looks like BG and RTE is on a team. They are trying really hard to get RTE lynched so I guess that BG has a better role. Will soon quote some of today´s posts.

 

 

That does not make sense. If BG had an important role, why would he fake-claim as doc. It is not as if he had a lot of votes on him when he claimed. He would not have brought himself into focus and it would be RTE who would have fake claimed if they wanted to fish out the real doc

 

[bgrishinko]

@RTE - Mish being so reticent about revealing her views was odd as far in as we were. Yates called her out on it, there was no counter claim though which leads me to believe she is telling the truth about being the cop. Of course it was a hunch at the time, that is all. I play Doc one way. Protect Cop at all costs, hence why I protected Mish last night. But this false viewing on me made me jump to the recruitment possibility as being the most likely as it had been stewing in my head already. In any case, your argument since yesterday has been "too little too late" like I'm just talking out of my butt making stuff up now. I've been able to consistently prove otherwise of all the arguements you've had against me. I'm around to prove that you are the lying one about being the other Doc. You and Tina are taking a two pronged attack at me, both of which have all kinds of holes.

 

Unsure of where Yates is but Red is on LOA till the 5th.

[Niniel]

 

 

Vote BG

 

Still think RTE is mafia as well, as is Des. I think they tried to get a quick win here, which might mean that there are 4 scum left.  

 

Also, I think that the reason for the absence of a kill is because I blocked someone tonight. That or a doc claim of course. 

 

I´m a JoaT. NotBob killed Darthe. I blocked someone tonight. I still have a doc protection left so Mish will live another night. 

 

I thought about if it´s time to reveal or not but I think we need to get the information out there and even if I die tonight I will still be able to protect Mish.

 

 

Do you believe Mish or not Tina? If you do, then I only see a couple of options for your scum reads to be true. 

Despo and RTE according to Mish are both town, so if you see them as mafia and recruitment is too far fetched, then Mish must have been messed with twice already. In which case you must concede the possibility that her view on me could have been tampered with.

Or there is recruitment in play, in which case, Mish's findings are bunk as anyone on her list could be compromised, or even herself.

 

I mentioned before. I'm calling the mafia team as RTE, Tina, Key, Krak, and probably one other. Mish as a possible recruit.

 

 

@Tina I use the word views and reads interchangeably. As I don't think BG is the cop didn't clarify. Someone mentioned this earlier as well, that is what I meant by views.

 

 

Okay. Thanks. 

 

 

Pralaya - I´m voting BG right now. If he is mafia then I´m willing to voted both Des and the person I blocked. I think mafia has showed themselves so I will have time to think about RTE or not. Still think I´m right though. 

[bgrishinko]

So you admit you believe that either Mish is lying about Des or her viewing was tampered with?

[bgrishinko]

So you admit you believe that either Mish is lying about Des or her viewing was tampered with?

 

Or Des was recruited.

[Pralaya]

First vote BG

 

 

Okay. Thanks. 

 

 

Pralaya - I´m voting BG right now. If he is mafia then I´m willing to voted both Des and the person I blocked. I think mafia has showed themselves so I will have time to think about RTE or not. Still think I´m right though. 

 

 

Who was it that you blocked?

If he was town, then you would not know if he is a vanilla or PR - so it would not matter if you reveal. If he is scum, then it is a good thing if you reveal.

I don't see the point of hiding t

 

(Never been a roleblocker - so can someone clarify if Tina would get a PM from mod saying so and so was successfully blocked? Or no PM at all?)

[michellem]

I forgot to say: The post from Pral where he pointed out BG's lack of logic re: protecting me & no nightkill, makes me feel good about him, that's a town question. I like it.

 

I haven't been a roleblocker I think, at least not a town one, but I think they usually just get confirmed that their action is received, that's it.

 

 

It was my plan all along to reveal my views at the end of D4 unless I found mafia before then; I felt pretty confident I would survive that long, I gambled on the mafia not having a roleblocker, and it worked.

 

I also find no reason to doubt Tina's claim now, I don't think she is mafia; there was to kills N3 so someone had a vig shot at least, and a vig shot is a quote common part of a JOAT-role as far as I know.

 

 

I would like to hear more from Yates, Key, Krak, and Red.  It sucks that Red is gone now, she won't have time to be back before deadline. Actually...

 

@MOD any chance of a 24 hour deadline extension since Red is gone over the weekend?

[Pralaya]

Mish,

 

Deadline is Tuesday night

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

BG (3): RTE, Tina, Pral

RTE (1): BG

 

Not Voting (7): Mish, Yates, Csarmi, Key, Despo, Krak, Red

 

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

Deadline is Tuesday Nov 5th 9:00pm MST http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131105T21&p0=197&msg=D5

[Kaylee]

@MOD any chance of a 24 hour deadline extension since Red is gone over the weekend?

 

Deadline is Tuesday night

[Krakalakachkn]

I'm at work all day, but I'm going to try to do a slow catchup of the last few pages (I've had to skim due to interruptions) as I feel the small details are what's going to make the difference here.

[michellem]

@MOD any chance of a 24 hour deadline extension since Red is gone over the weekend?

 

Deadline is Tuesday night

 

Yeah I know, but Red is gone until tuesday, and I'm not sure she'll be able to catch up; she's usually only online on weekends... Oh well.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, on that note, I'll be gone Thursday and Friday, if I'm still alive, I'm going to meet Cloud! I'll have my phone with me though, so I can check in.

[Niniel]

That´s great, Mish.

 

First vote BG

 

 

Okay. Thanks. 

 

 

Pralaya - I´m voting BG right now. If he is mafia then I´m willing to voted both Des and the person I blocked. I think mafia has showed themselves so I will have time to think about RTE or not. Still think I´m right though. 

 

 

Who was it that you blocked?

If he was town, then you would not know if he is a vanilla or PR - so it would not matter if you reveal. If he is scum, then it is a good thing if you reveal.

I don't see the point of hiding t

 

(Never been a roleblocker - so can someone clarify if Tina would get a PM from mod saying so and so was successfully blocked? Or no PM at all?)

 

I don´t know what happened. Maybe I blocked a vanilla? But since I blocked someone and nothing happened last night there might be a chance that I picked the right person. I blocked Csarmi. 

[csarmi]

I don´t know what happened. Maybe I blocked a vanilla? But since I blocked someone and nothing happened last night there might be a chance that I picked the right person. I blocked Csarmi.

Tina's claim sounds pretty solid to me.

A logical choice, given her reads and a good timing on using a roleblocker shot. The vig kill she claimed looks town as well. Darthe's been a distraction.

 

That simplifies things a little (to me, anyway). I didn't use a night action tonight.

So that should mean one of them did do a save now (N2 save would be unaccounted for anyway).

[csarmi]

As I said earlier, I'm leaning towards the simple solution, the one with BG being maffia.

[keyholder21]

I don't believe BG.  I thought he played a pretty town game up until Mish's view, but all his back and forth with RTE doesn't seem like a townie response.  Also, scum love to use "When you lynch me, you'll see".  That's a huge scumtell, imo.

 

There's also no reason to suspect a recruitment mechanic, other than pulling it out of thin air, so we have no reason to not trust Mish.  This set of posts from this morning even look like he forgot for a second that he was pushing recruitment:

 

 

So you admit you believe that either Mish is lying about Des or her viewing was tampered with?

 

Or Des was recruited.

 

 

I think he's just trying to stir up everyone as much as he can before he gets lynched.

 

Vote BG.

 

idk what to think about the block on CS.  I thought he was scummy earlier in the game, but most of his posts the past two "days" have made me lean toward town on him.  

[keyholder21]

Mish, that's awesome!  Hope you guys have fun; I love meeting people from DM in person!