Trick-or-Treat II Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins!!!!

[Leelou]

It's not until Snow catches Lenlo that you switch, and it almost feels like it's something you had to do to look town. You were doing a lot of pushing and questioning to build up the Aemon train to where it got. 
 

unvote vote Lenlo
 
Lenlo is scum!

 
 

Vote Count:
 
Lenlo (4) – Salami, Leelou, Cloud, Snow
Aemon (4) – Tglems, Mish, Tress, Lenlo
 
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch
Deadline – Thursday 4PM MST/7 PM EST
 
Not voting – Kat, Not Bob, Lenlo, Aemon

 
 

unvote, vote Lenlo

 
 

Vote Count:
 
Lenlo (6) – Salami, Leelou, Cloud, Snow, TGlems, Not Bob
Aemon (3) – Mish, Tress, Lenlo
 
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch
Deadline – Thursday 4PM MST/7 PM EST
 
Not voting – Kat, Aemon
 
Lenlo, Cleopatra, mafia goon, has been sent home
 
It is now night 5. Deadline for night actions is Friday 4PM MST/ 7 PM EST
 
Please choose a house to go to next. The choices are White, Tan, Grey, Brown, and Light Blue

 
Next day, still pushing on Aemon with no real mentions as to why. 

Goodbye NotBob.
Welcome NotBob.
 
vote Aemon

The following is to show the quick votes on Aemon and then TGlems dismissing my concern. 
 

Vote Aemon
 
Because, everything really.

 
 

Vote Count:
 
Aemon (2) – Tglems, Mish
Tress (1) - Leelou
 
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline – Monday noon MST/3PM EST
 
Not voting – Kat, Aemon, Salami, Cloud, Snow, Tress

 
 

Sorry I'm even more busy as I thought I would be. Keep hoping to be able to do some re/read or analysis, but I'll be working this weekend too.

I believe Leelou and Snow to be town. The rest is just not that sure at all. I believe that we need to find three scum (out of nine).

Aemon should be one and KatNB another, but then we'd need a third still. That could be Tress (find that most likely at this point), or one of Cloud/Mish/TG. My views are rather outdated on those three, wasn't focusing on them lately (or even the game, for that matter).

From my experience it's the first days of gameplay that could give the best leads in these situations.

Now the KatNB situation is something that bugs me deeply. Kat had very low gameplay indeed with some scummy leans. Then someone else (who already had a strong established meta) picks up her game. Just no way to tell.
For now my gut says we should leave them alone. Watch NB, it would be hard to catch him if indeed scum, but at some points he would have to change his views as the field is getting quite limited.

With all that said, I'll vote Aemon for now, as he's my best lead. As it should be clear from the above, I could move to Tress. I'm intending to review Cloud/Mish/TG tomorrow, hoping to find something that should help me get a better read on them. I think we should leave the Kat named Bob alone for now.

 
 

I actually really hate it when dead players sub back in. Makes it harder to read the person. So far, I'm not really liking the train on Aemon, we are pretty much screwed as town if we don't get this right today and it feels like it's being rushed. He very well might be scum, but there are still at least 3 scum and it feels like most people have given up. I'm going to have some time after I wake up in a few hours to go through the game again and see if I can see anything.

 
Mish unvotes before TGlems comment, but after my commenting on how fast the lynch was building. 

@LilyModdess; your VC still says Kat :)
 
 
TG said parts of what I was gonna say, in his first post there. Also:
 
"John Snow:  TBH hated I Ishy's commentary on Krak.  There was no need for it.  It was the hammer.  Look at the time between Krak's reveal and Ishy's hammer.  Easily could have discussed in QT with a plan to earn town credit."
From NotBob.
 
Again: How could the mafia know at the time that Leelou was the Doc? It was D3, and we'd had one kill each night. The only way the mafia could know who was the doc, is if they tried to shoot her, and she survived. But if that'd happened, that means that we'd have either N1 or N2 without a kill, and we haven't had that. Or, someone else is vig, and would probably have CC'd by now.
 
For the record: In my eyes, both Snow and Leelou are confirmed by now, and anyone trying to use that situation to try and make one or the other look bad, will get a big, fat FoS from me. So that is NB, Aemon and to a lesser extent, TG.
 
unvote vote NotBob

 
 

 

 

I actually really hate it when dead players sub back in. Makes it harder to read the person. So far, I'm not really liking the train on Aemon, we are pretty much screwed as town if we don't get this right today and it feels like it's being rushed. He very well might be scum, but there are still at least 3 scum and it feels like most people have given up. I'm going to have some time after I wake up in a few hours to go through the game again and see if I can see anything.

I think Aemon and Kat/Bob's not my name are both scum so I don't have a problem lynching them. I don't agree we are rushing with only two votes on Aemon so far.

 

There were 3 votes, mish just changed. So yes, 3 votes with 5 to lynch and it hasn't been that long since day started is going quickly.

 

 

 

You guys can't vote Not Bob until last please. I'm debating right now where I want us to vote.

How does everyone feel about tress? Can someone pull her posts? I won't be around until this afternoon since I'm busy with family stuff.

 
I specifically ask that NotBob2 does not get lynched, and TGlems comes out with this: 

I really have nothing more to add at the moment.  Aemon and Bob's not my name are scum on my list.  The only question for me right now is who we should consolidate around for a lynch.

 
 

 

I really have nothing more to add at the moment.  Aemon and Bob's not my name are scum on my list.  The only question for me right now is who we should consolidate around for a lynch.

 
I don't like this post at all. I just asked you to save Not Bob for last and you are wanting to consolidate on him? Very scummy right now.

 

 
 

 

 

I really have nothing more to add at the moment.  Aemon and Bob's not my name are scum on my list.  The only question for me right now is who we should consolidate around for a lynch.

 
I don't like this post at all. I just asked you to save Not Bob for last and you are wanting to consolidate on him? Very scummy right now.

 

 
I think you're reading too much into what I said.  Here, let me be clear.  Aemon and NB are scum. Let's lynch them. I don't care who we lynch first because I think they are both scum.

 

 
 

 

 

 

I really have nothing more to add at the moment.  Aemon and Bob's not my name are scum on my list.  The only question for me right now is who we should consolidate around for a lynch.

 
I don't like this post at all. I just asked you to save Not Bob for last and you are wanting to consolidate on him? Very scummy right now.

 

 
I think you're reading too much into what I said.  Here, let me be clear.  Aemon and NB are scum. Let's lynch them. I don't care who we lynch first because I think they are both scum.

 

 
And I think you are not understanding. The town doctor is making a request. I need NotBob to be lynched last and if you keep pushing it I'm going to think you are scum.

 

Also, what happened to Cloud being scummy? 
 
New day, you are being defensive instead of offensive, I'll answer your questions now that I pulled everything up. 

 

Vote Tglems
 
I'll pull quotes in a bit - busy at work right now-, but it has to do with voting. You didn't catch up until way after the Krak lynch, but posted some spam, waited until after Snow found Lenlo to be lying to switch over and the push on both Aemon and NotBob2 yesterday.

Ouch, terrible case Leelou.
 
First) I replaced into a game that had 50 pages on content and was very busy with work. It took a couple days for me to finish my reread and have time to contribute. So your case on me is that I...didn't start voting before finishing my reread?
 
Second) Also, what spam did I post? I said hi, I was going to reread, good to be back. That was about it. Once I finished my reread is when I stated being active.
 
Third) I had Lenlo listed as scum from the moment I put down my first reads. That never changed. I was one of the first people to peg Lenlo IIRC.
 
and Fourth) NotBob2 is wearing a Halloween costume of scummy to cover up his scum. I was wrong about Aemon.
 
As it stands, your read on me is wrong. And if the core of your case on me is that I was busy IRL and it took me a couple days to catch up and really start playing the game then that is a weak reason for voting.

Your scum team did a good job.  Well done.  Zero to little conversation just line up those votes.
 
Fun to watch you swing.

Could you be any scummier? Seriously?
 
 
Also, I never had/used any vig shot.

 

First) I replaced into a game that had 50 pages on content and was very busy with work. It took a couple days for me to finish my reread and have time to contribute. So your case on me is that I...didn't start voting before finishing my reread? - It's more that you seemed to be current with events since you were voting for the event and then an hour and a half after the lynch voting for a house but made no comments on the Krak lynch. 
 
Second) Also, what spam did I post? I said hi, I was going to reread, good to be back. That was about it. Once I finished my reread is when I stated being active. - After going back, I thought that you had posted a couple other posts, but it was just the 3 before your reread. 
 
Third) I had Lenlo listed as scum from the moment I put down my first reads. That never changed. I was one of the first people to peg Lenlo IIRC. - Ever heard of bussing? He was starting to be called out for not participating and it's not unheard of to have scum give scum read on scum buddies. 
 
and Fourth) NotBob2 is wearing a Halloween costume of scummy to cover up his scum. I was wrong about Aemon. - Um what? Yes you were wrong about Aemon and you pushed his lynch 2 days, the second day felt rushed. What about Cloud, he was on your scum list and now you aren't even mentioning him. Thoughts on the remaining live players? 

[John Snow]

On mobile atm, but id gladly switch to tg. He is still, by far my biggest scum read. More to come after I get off of work.

[michellem]

TG, why aren't you voting?

 

 

My gut says the remaining mafia is between Cloud, TG and NB2.

Cloud, already explained.

TG, well Leelou said most of it, also it feels like he's chosen to just contininue on Hallia's way of posting and sneaking by without getting properly in the limelight.

KatBob, I feel like his stance has changed since he replaced back in, he feels a bit different, and I honestly found that part about giving Leelou his vote quite pinging. Essentially he gives up any responsibility for his actions now. I don't like it.

 

Csarmi has been quiet in the other game I play with him too like here, and I know Tress has had alot of stresses in RL lately + a ton of work. Of course, even if both have busy RLs it could also be convenient to use that to participate less and let town lynch each other. But I don't feel like either of them are persons who'd do that.

 

I dunno honestly. We need more talking people.

[csarmi]

Csarmi strikes me as trying to be seen as a very helpful townie. The lists of post links (most without any commentary or analysis) were a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing IMO.

 

My best bet is to vote Csarmi.

I don't have such illusions. I'm pretty sure I don't look like a helpful townie just because I'm doing some basic reference stuff.

 

I added the links cause they aren't much work for me at all, what with my excel and some creative usage of regexp, and I thought that maybe someone could use it. Now reading up and interpreting stuff is much harder and more time consuming.

 

Alright, I caught sick, mind not working much. Trying to organize my thoughts anyway.

 

Did some review of the last 20 pages or so.

 

My list (scum to town) should be Tress, NB2, TG, Mish, Cloud.

 

Tress did pick up, but something feels off to me. I just don't like her analysis post on Lenlo's list btw, just don't sound right to me, can't say why. Feels forced?

 

NB2/Kat - I still have them as a good candidate for scum. For the record, I like NB's play since he replaced in, sounds like he's putting in a great effort and all.

But Kat's lack of play and a former player replacing in puts me on edge. Keeping an eye on him.

 

Mish's play coming off as townish in general, but her latest exchange with Cloud has me pinging.

She listed TG as one of the strongest scum reads (and been saying Cloud was so very town), then today she went after Cloud instead. I just can't see where she changed her mind there.

 

Also, Cloud's defense (or counter-attack) comes off nice and strong there. Still have him as most likely for town (besides Leelou and IshySnow anyway), I don't see the case on him-

 

There were a few convincing points raised on TG on the last few pages. I can't add much to that. I'll try to read some more and focus on the TG/Cloud interaction.

 

@John Snow - what do you think about Cloud and Mish?

 

vote Tress

[csarmi]

On mobile atm, but id gladly switch to tg. He is still, by far my biggest scum read. More to come after I get off of work.

Wait I don't get it. If TG is your best scum read, why are you voting Cloud in the first place?

[_CLOUD]

So first of all both Leelou and Snow are town in my book.

 

Not Bob pulling up all those VC's and quotes, and then saying that he isn't pointing fingers at anyone is freaking me out a little bit. You can't be unbiased when you select certain info and display it like that, and the way he has just decided to follow Leelou around is making it very easy for him to appear townie. He is definitely a good player, and I'm having trouble reading him after he subbed in because I was having a town read on Not Bob 1 for most of the game. I still think that he is likely mafia for reasons for FoSing almost everyone around him, and for comments like the one in post #1336. What I also find interesting is that both Mish and Tress have explained that they find him scummy, and yet they always seem to end up voting for someone else. TG currently isn't also voting for him, but he at least makes his opinion about him well known.

 

Mish, I read her as town before she pulled that 180 and voted for me as her main mafia read, after having a town read on me seemingly just before the Night. She never said what made her switch her read on me, and instead only mentions that she had almost forgotten about me this game (which I don't believe as I have been posting my thoughts about Not Bob, Aemon, and Tress just a couple of pages before.) I don't feel like I have been floating in the background of this game at all. She isn't explaining what made her change her initial town read on me (and going from town to scum just over Night without first becoming uncertain about someone seems way too fast for it to be heartfelt.) I got the feeling that she saw an opportunity to get my lynched after Not Bob posted that VC from Day 1, and I started getting defensive. She was also FoSing Not Bob and TG only three pages back and when she made the post in where she votes for she all of a sudden seems to have forgotten about them. She has mentioned them both again as her mafia candidates, but they are behind me who she only appears to have a gut feeling about and hasn't shown anything "real" what made her change her mind.

 

Tress, I'm unsure about. I think she has defended herself quite well against my accusations and even though she wasn't around all the time she made solid posts, but then she still refuses to vote for Not Bob and goes after Csarmi while she has already stated a couple of times that she has a stronger scum read on NotBob. Mish does the same thing, but instead votes for me. I think that they are teammates.

 

I think Csarmi is town. I just like his reads this game, and I agree with a lot of the things that he has been saying.

 

I like Leelou's case on TG, and I definitely want to hear more from him before I can decide what to think about him. I had a town read on him before Leelou started going after him.

 

 

 

Of course he would Leelou; but asking looks like looking for town cred, and wanting to spark a discussion about who was the NK target, to distract from deciding on a lynch today. I honestly couldn't care less who you protected; the most important thing is we didn't loose a townie, and that's enough for me.

 

Cloud, I didn't say you had a low post count; I said you'd been careful and not sticking your head out much since D1. I can't remember seeing any cases from you, but my memory is spotty from having so erratic access. But no matter how you look at it, you've been comfortably in the middle, not trying to lead town, and not getting any attention either.

 

And yes, I had a town read on you; reads change, you know that. And that was mostly because you hadn't stuck out much. It didn't worry me then, because there were others who looked way more likely to be mafia. Now, with so many of those dead and several town, I'm not willing to let you float by without much attention anymore.

 

I don't see how asking Leelou who she protected last Night is looking for town cred, and by saying that I have been looking for town cred you basically confirm that I had asked a good "townie" question, right? I didn't want to spark any kind of discussion about the NK target to distract from today's events. Leelou only had to mention one name, and that would have been it. We would have known that that person is town, and we wouldn't need to discuss it any further. We would have had to worry about one less person and we would have continued on with scumhunting. 

 

So you admit to having a spotty memory because you lost your internet access, but you still seem to recall that I haven't been sticking my head out since Day 1. That is quite a statement, but just because people weren't suspcious of me after the events of Day 1 doesn't mean that I haven't made my opinion about everything that was going on well known.

 

Of course I agree with you that reads can change, but the way your reads seemed to have changed all of a sudden is pinging me. You say it's mostly because I haven't stuck out much, and that you aren't willing to let me float by without much attention anymore, but does this justify a vote right now when you actually had gameplay reasons to find NotBob and TG suspicious? I don't think it does.

 

 

I dunno honestly. We need more talking people.

 

I never like it when people say honestly in mafia games btw, but this isn't really part of the reason why I'm suspicious of you. 

 

 

 

Csarmi strikes me as trying to be seen as a very helpful townie. The lists of post links (most without any commentary or analysis) were a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing IMO.

My best bet is to vote Csarmi.

I don't have such illusions. I'm pretty sure I don't look like a helpful townie just because I'm doing some basic reference stuff.

I added the links cause they aren't much work for me at all, what with my excel and some creative usage of regexp, and I thought that maybe someone could use it. Now reading up and interpreting stuff is much harder and more time consuming.

Alright, I caught sick, mind not working much. Trying to organize my thoughts anyway.

Did some review of the last 20 pages or so.

My list (scum to town) should be Tress, NB2, TG, Mish, Cloud.

Tress did pick up, but something feels off to me. I just don't like her analysis post on Lenlo's list btw, just don't sound right to me, can't say why. Feels forced?

NB2/Kat - I still have them as a good candidate for scum. For the record, I like NB's play since he replaced in, sounds like he's putting in a great effort and all.
But Kat's lack of play and a former player replacing in puts me on edge. Keeping an eye on him.

Mish's play coming off as townish in general, but her latest exchange with Cloud has me pinging.
She listed TG as one of the strongest scum reads (and been saying Cloud was so very town), then today she went after Cloud instead. I just can't see where she changed her mind there.

Also, Cloud's defense (or counter-attack) comes off nice and strong there. Still have him as most likely for town (besides Leelou and IshySnow anyway), I don't see the case on him-

There were a few convincing points raised on TG on the last few pages. I can't add much to that. I'll try to read some more and focus on the TG/Cloud interaction.

@John Snow - what do you think about Cloud and Mish?

vote Tress

 

 

I agree with you on the part about Tress which I just bolded. I had the exact same feeling. It just read like... way too much work.

 

 

I think that Mish, Not Bob and Tress (I'm the least sure of her) are the last mafia members.

 

A large part of my case on both Mish and Tress relies on Not Bob being mafia, so I will vote for him. I also want to see who will actually follow me here.

 

 

Unvote, Vote Not Bob

[_CLOUD]

Leelou, I think that now is the time to say who you had protected this Night.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Leelou, I think that now is the time to say who you had protected this Night.

 

Peel the onion back a little more and vote

TGlems.

[John Snow]

 

On mobile atm, but id gladly switch to tg. He is still, by far my biggest scum read. More to come after I get off of work.

Wait I don't get it. If TG is your best scum read, why are you voting Cloud in the first place?

 

 

 

I thought the deadline was today, and Cloud's voting info is sketchy as hell.

 

unvote vote TGlems

[LilyElizabeth]

Vote Count:

 

TGlems (3) – Leelou, NB2, Snow

Cloud (1) – Mish

Salami (1) – Tress

Tress (1) – Salami

NB2 (1) - Cloud

 

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline – Thursday 2 PM MST/5PM EST

 

Not voting – TGlems

[Songstress]

Tress, I'm unsure about. I think she has defended herself quite well against my accusations and even though she wasn't around all the time she made solid posts, but then she still refuses to vote for Not Bob and goes after Csarmi while she has already stated a couple of times that she has a stronger scum read on NotBob. Mish does the same thing, but instead votes for me. I think that they are teammates.

I can't speak for Mish, but there's a reason why I voted Csarmi even though I have stronger scum read on NotBob. Did you not notice Leelou asking very pointedly for everyone to save NotBob for last?  

[Tyler Glembo]

It's not until Snow catches Lenlo that you switch, and it almost feels like it's something you had to do to look town. You were doing a lot of pushing and questioning to build up the Aemon train to where it got. 

 

Next day, still pushing on Aemon with no real mentions as to why. 

 

The following is to show the quick votes on Aemon and then TGlems dismissing my concern. 

 

I specifically ask that NotBob2 does not get lynched, and TGlems comes out with this: 

 

I really have nothing more to add at the moment.  Aemon and Bob's not my name are scum on my list.  The only question for me right now is who we should consolidate around for a lynch.

 

 

 

Also, what happened to Cloud being scummy? 

 

 

[ - After going back, I thought that you had posted a couple other posts, but it was just the 3 before your reread. [/background] 

To respond to your case I've left in the salient points. I'll address them one by one.

 

1) Switch? What are you talking about? I listed Lenlo as scum as soon as I re-read and made a list. What switch are you talking about?

 

2) You quoted my reads where I called Aemon's using a dying mafias WIFOM as "bleargh." Then you say I didn't mention why I wanted to lynch him. What? So you quote the reason I voted him and then say I didn't have a reason for voting him or pushing his lynch? I'm already confused.

 

3) I was the first person to vote Aemon. Then you blame me for "quick votes" of other people also voting Aemon because everybody else found him scummy. I really can't control the people who vote after me, but thanks for thinking I have godlike powers.

 

4) I still don't understand why you're so twisted about me saying that Aemon and NB were the top to potential lynches and we should pick one. I was voting Aemon at the time, but somehow you take this as I was "dismissing your concern" about lynching NotBob. Can you please explain the logic of how me voting Aemon and trying to discuss consolidation before deadline is me "dismissing your concern" on lynching NB?

 

5) What happened to Cloud being scummy? He still is. It's just that other people have been scummier so I've focused on them.

 

6) And then we get to the crux of your case. You didn't remember correctly. You thought I posted a bunch of spam when I didn't. The only thing I posted was 3 posts saying I was continuing to catch up. If you want to disbelieve and think I lie about RL, fine, this is mafia. But I don't, because I play by the spirit of the game and would NEVER do such a thing. We can talk after the game and I will say it again at that point when we aren't playing mafia, I would never violate the spirit of the game by lying about real life.

 

 

TG, why aren't you voting?

 

KatBob, I feel like his stance has changed since he replaced back in, he feels a bit different, and I honestly found that part about giving Leelou his vote quite pinging. Essentially he gives up any responsibility for his actions now. I don't like it.

 

I dunno honestly. We need more talking people.

Mostly because I'm debating on whether I should really vote NotBob2. He is my top scum read with his obvious sheeping and scumtastic play since subbing back in. The town doc asked that I not vote him for some obscure reason that I can not fathom.

 

NotBob is scumtastic. Leelou, if you have a legit reason to not vote him now would be the time to let it out.

[Tyler Glembo]

NotBob is my top scum read. I'd happily vote him, but I'm holding back until I get an explanation from Leelou.

 

I find Cloud and Tress to be the next scummiest players based on their ability to say nothing in many of their posts.

 

vote Tress

[Tyler Glembo]

@Everyone in the game

 

Do you find NotBob2 refusing to take a stance and just sheeping Leelou to be scummy play or town play?

[Tyler Glembo]

Oh, two more things.

 

@Leelou

 

The other reason for pushing Aemon's lynch was because he refused to let go of the derp about you being doc even after it was explained.

 

The second is that I'll be on a plane for 8 hours tomorrow. Ugh. I'll check-in before I board my flight in the morning.

[Leelou]

Oh, two more things.

 

@Leelou

 

The other reason for pushing Aemon's lynch was because he refused to let go of the derp about you being doc even after it was explained.

 

The second is that I'll be on a plane for 8 hours tomorrow. Ugh. I'll check-in before I board my flight in the morning.

 

I've added color to connect the dots for you. 

Love Blossoms

 

 

Love Blossoms...but alas, not for me.

 

 

*sigh* 

 

 

You guys can't vote Not Bob until last please. I'm debating right now where I want us to vote.

 

How does everyone feel about tress? Can someone pull her posts? I won't be around until this afternoon since I'm busy with family stuff.

 

Gee...I don't know...because killing NotBob kills me. 

[Leelou]

Oh, two more things.

 

@Leelou

 

The other reason for pushing Aemon's lynch was because he refused to let go of the derp about you being doc even after it was explained.

 

The second is that I'll be on a plane for 8 hours tomorrow. Ugh. I'll check-in before I board my flight in the morning.

 

He was cross game confused and unvoted as soon as he realized it. 

[Leelou]

 

Oh, two more things.

 

@Leelou

 

The other reason for pushing Aemon's lynch was because he refused to let go of the derp about you being doc even after it was explained.

 

The second is that I'll be on a plane for 8 hours tomorrow. Ugh. I'll check-in before I board my flight in the morning.

 

I've added color to connect the dots for you. 

Love Blossoms

 

 

Love Blossoms...but alas, not for me.

 

 

*sigh* 

 

 

You guys can't vote Not Bob until last please. I'm debating right now where I want us to vote.

 

How does everyone feel about tress? Can someone pull her posts? I won't be around until this afternoon since I'm busy with family stuff.

 

Gee...I don't know...because killing NotBob kills me. 

 

 

I also protected him last night since it's clear some people could put together that connection. I have a million theories as to how he could still be scum, but I believe I'm being over paranoid right now. 

[Leelou]

Leelou, I think that now is the time to say who you had protected this Night.

 

I think you knew that as soon as you voted, 

[Tyler Glembo]

He was cross game confused and unvoted as soon as he realized it.

 

At the time people (I think you though I don't remember) pointed out that his cross game confusion seemed fake as certain people weren't in the other games. I thought it was just flailing because of whoever pointed that out.

[Tyler Glembo]

Alright, I'm going to airplane mode. I'll be back just before deadline (around 4EST).

[_CLOUD]

 

 

Oh, two more things.

 

@Leelou

 

The other reason for pushing Aemon's lynch was because he refused to let go of the derp about you being doc even after it was explained.

 

The second is that I'll be on a plane for 8 hours tomorrow. Ugh. I'll check-in before I board my flight in the morning.

 

I've added color to connect the dots for you. 

Love Blossoms

 

 

Love Blossoms...but alas, not for me.

 

 

*sigh* 

 

 

You guys can't vote Not Bob until last please. I'm debating right now where I want us to vote.

 

How does everyone feel about tress? Can someone pull her posts? I won't be around until this afternoon since I'm busy with family stuff.

 

Gee...I don't know...because killing NotBob kills me. 

 

 

I also protected him last night since it's clear some people could put together that connection. I have a million theories as to how he could still be scum, but I believe I'm being over paranoid right now. 

 

 

I also might be a bit paranoid right now, but I find it likely that the scum team shot their own teammate Not Bob because they know that you two are now Lovers.

 

1) They must have believed it's worth to sacrifice their teammate Not Bob to get the Doc (the only player everyone agrees is 100% town) killed. Night Killing Leelou would also get the person who is currently fulfilling the role of team captain killed, which would throw the town out of balance.

2) They also must have suspected that Leelou would protect Not Bob. They of course couldn't be sure, but the odds are in their favor and it's definitely worth a try because even if they were wrong they would still get Leelou killed. By letting Leelou protect Not Bob, while firing their shot at him they will make it look as if Not Bob is town. Who could better defend someone and plead someone elses innocence than the Doc?

3) I really doubt that the mafia would have actually wasted a NK shot on Not Bob if he was town, because everyone seems to be suspicious of him, BUT if they caught the Lover hinting from Leelou then they might have just done that.

 

 

In the end this whole thing stands or falls if you believe that Not Bob is mafia or not, and if you think that the mafia caught on to the Lover hinting. I think that he is mafia together with Mish and Tress, and I can be wrong but I have decided to just follow my gut on this one.

 

 

Unvote, Vote Tress

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There is also a fourth option in that the mafia team didn't send in their NK last Night on purpose. This would be a pretty safe move to make it look as if Not Bob is town, without sacrificing him to get Leelou killed.

[Leelou]

I've thought about those options and others. I don't like that TGlems didn't mention the lovers thing at all in his two posts before going off to travel. 

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Yeah that's certainly odd. He could have also just been in a hurry though.