[Advanced] X-Men: Rise of Apocalypse - GAME OVER

[WWWwombat]

My reason for wanting to lynch verb is I think it will remove him from being an influence.

To explain. I think it would stop him "barstarding" anymore things, such as adding fake roles, scenarios, and the like. I think it will leave all current barstard things and inbuilt things in play, but I thought it would take him out of being an active influence on the game and turn him into the traditional mod. A facilitator.

 

I've always just known that in barstard games you vote the mod to check, then you lynch the mod

That's utter horsecrap. The only reason people do "bastard mod checks" is to make fun of the mod or Pac. There is no foolproof way to slay a bastard mod. You have to figure out the puzzle.

[csarmi]

I thought I moved my vote when making my case. Apparently not.

 

unvote vote Nolder

[dapianoplay3r]

 

My reason for wanting to lynch verb is I think it will remove him from being an influence.

To explain. I think it would stop him "barstarding" anymore things, such as adding fake roles, scenarios, and the like. I think it will leave all current barstard things and inbuilt things in play, but I thought it would take him out of being an active influence on the game and turn him into the traditional mod. A facilitator.

I've always just known that in barstard games you vote the mod to check, then you lynch the mod

That's utter horsecrap. The only reason people do "bastard mod checks" is to make fun of the mod or Pac. There is no foolproof way to slay a bastard mod. You have to figure out the puzzle.

I've only played one "barstard" game and that was a DPR game and we needed to lynch him to win

[WWWwombat]

Thanks for proving my point. You have no reason to infer anything about this game.

[WWWwombat]

I thought I moved my vote when making my case. Apparently not.

 

unvote vote Nolder

Weren't you going to bed?

[csarmi]

Weren't you going to bed?

It's 07:23 (am) now. Just woke up. What's confusing is that I shouldn't have been up three hours ago, but something woke me in the middle of the night.

[WWWwombat]

Ouch.

[csarmi]

But I managed to sleep back promptly (so yes, I was going back to sleep). Would be nice to sleep some 4-5 more hours though.

[dapianoplay3r]

Thanks for proving my point. You have no reason to infer anything about this game.

i said i think and i stand corrected

[berf]

Ok not going to be here tonight or for deadline, ala the other game, you know the score. I really, really cannot state how much I don't want to vote Verbal.

 

My thought is:

 

He can be voted

He is goading us to vote

He has said there will be dire consequences for said vote.

 

Bastard Mod is not equal to 100% liar Mod. He could be lying about lying and all the little Russian dolls you want to throw down that rabbit hole.

 

We don't know.

 

As it stands, lynching Verbal will make SOMETHING happen, that is more than likely anti-town.

If we lynch a player, it gives us more time to find Gold and put together some clues, and as a bonus we might just lynch mafia.

Continuing advocating a somewhat blind lynch on the Bastard Mod on D1?

 

Not a fan.

 

 

 

VOTE NOLDER

 

I did like you early on, but the assurance you seem to be pushing this with troubles me, along with the fact that it's a pro-town move to avoid an anti-town trap.

 

Will check in closer to deadline to see whatup. I won't vote Verbal though. I think a random lynch would be better, quite honestly.

[Pralaya]

6) His lynch provides no information that helps the town.

 

I disagree with this point completely.

 

This is what Nolder, me and csarmi (who seems to have retracted it now) have been telling. There is a pattern within all these and there would definitely be some information that we can glean by lynching him. It cannot be a random set of events which will happen and I don't think it will be completely against the town making the game unbalanced. The whole point is not to leave it late to be able to not do anything,

[hazelkrs1]

Caught up.

 

Unvote, Vote Nolder

 

Obvious scum in my eyes. Has kept town distracted with this talk about lynching Verbal, and keeps slipping in little blurbs about the setup. Plus I don't like how he keeps trying to have it both ways, discouraging others from doing activities he himself is doing (distracting town).

 

As for Verbal, that is an issue best left for another day imo. It seems to me that it still might be best to lynch him last among the mafia, if he even needs to be lynched. We could end up trying to lynch him just to find out he can't be lynched or something, and just made that an option cause he's a bastard. Either way day 1 is the WORST time to try such a maneuver, when it is invaluable for town to get the right start on the game by collecting as much info as possible. A Verbal lynch doesn't help with that at all.

 

Gonna go back through the last few pages and see if there's anything specific I want to comment on.

[hazelkrs1]

I don´t think that it´s wrong to talk set up in this game. Actually, I don´t see why it´s automatically scummy to do so in any game. In this particular game we need to work together and see if we can solve the puzzle. 

 

The OP says that there will be dire consequenses if we lynch Verbal if mafia is still alive. FOS Csarmi and Nolder. 

 

Thats actually a good point. Setup talk isn't as much of a feux paus in this game as in others.

 

Briefly, the reason why it's usually anti-town to introduce setup talk is that it gives the mafia team a perfect way to introduce wifom, since they always know more about the setup than town.

 

 

Mish - for lurking and feigning confuzzlement

 Feigning? So you can look inside my head now Des? This is my first bastard game, and yes, I'm confused. I'm so very sorry if that bothers you.

 

And lurking... Have you ever played a game with me before? If so, do please tell me what I'm usually like D1.

 

 

It doesn't bother me that you're confused, it bothers me that you're trying to act like you're confused. This is a bastard game, ay, but so far it's actually not that different from a normal game from what we've seen. Your confusion was unwarranted.

 

As for you lurking, just because you lurk in other games day 1 doesn't mean you get a free pass for it. Lurking is lurking, and I don't like lurkers. They deserve to be lynched imo.

 

Des I applaud your attempt at trying to focus the game into more serious discussion but your assessment on me is pretty off.

If I cared about figuring Verbal's puzzles I'd be afraid to lynch him because "something bad might happen". Instead, I don't care.

As a person in his position he by definition cannot be town. He knows everyone's roles. He is scum/third party aligned.

I wasn't trying to create some big debate about whether we should lynch him or not I was trying to get someone else to vote him first to see if he would even count the vote while also commenting on the fact that even if "something bad" did happen town is in it's best position to weather it on day 1.

 

No, you care about the puzzle BECAUSE you're trying to lynch him. If you didn't care about it, you'd be focused on actual scumhunting.

 

Yeah no that is completely wrong. You should never leave a self aligned role alive because at the first opportunity they can and will stab you in the back to win. You are as scummy as they come. After Verbal hangs you're next up for the noose as far as I'm concerned.

 

As for your main argument. You are failing to take into account that this is a self professed bastard game.

The mod is lying to us. IF there is a time he is telling us the truth it is in our role PMs (maybe) and when he types in gold (maybe).

If you take his word for anything you are leaving an awful lot to chance.

 

Underlined: fail attempt at setting up of lynches and leading town.

 

And for the record nobody can truly be "cinfirmed". Ill be certain to keep you alive if I ever get SK though. That should be fun.

 

 

Innocent Child says what?

 

Think about it. If a player is doing everything they can, goading you and poking at you and generally being scummy on purpose do you lynch them or do you go against what they want and not lynch them? What would you automatically think if a player did that? Jester? Its probably not a good idea to give Verbal what he wants this early in the game.

 

 

Fwiw, CosmicPanda modded a game where he was one of the players, and he got lynched and it turned out he was a Jester.

 

The odds of Apocalypse being a regular old voteless mafia are almost zero.

 

Unless you think Verbal is Mr. Sinister (my money's on Leelou for that), I don't think we should lynch him.

 

I like where your head is at Wombat.

 

Can we lynch Leelou?

 

Stop trying to derail, and stop lurking and coming out for one brief little statement that has no bearing on what the rest of the players are focusing on.

 

For the record I am against a Lenlo lynch today on the grounds that he's protecting Verbal.

If you think he's protecting Verbal then you'll be playing into his hand by not lynching Verbal.

I think he's better saved as the favorite for tomorrows lynch.

 

Moar setting up of lynches

 

My reason for wanting to lynch verb is I think it will remove him from being an influence.

To explain. I think it would stop him "barstarding" anymore things, such as adding fake roles, scenarios, and the like. I think it will leave all current barstard things and inbuilt things in play, but I thought it would take him out of being an active influence on the game and turn him into the traditional mod. A facilitator.

 

I've always just known that in barstard games you vote the mod to check, then you lynch the mod

 

Your reasoning at least makes a bit more sense than Nolder's, but it's still off. A bastard mod can likely keep "bastardizing" the game as long as they want, lynching them doesn't in any way guarantee they won't be able to.

[Leelou]

Vote Count

 

Nolder (5) - Darthe, Mish, Salami, Berf, Des

Verbal (3) -  Nolder, Dap, Pralaya
Lenlo (3) - RTE, Ishy, Krak
Salami (2) - Wombat, Nyn
Darthe (1) - Lily
Lily (1) - Tina

 

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

[hazelkrs1]

Going to sleep. Lynch Nolder.

[Darthe]

My reason for wanting to lynch verb is I think it will remove him from being an influence.

To explain. I think it would stop him "barstarding" anymore things, such as adding fake roles, scenarios, and the like. I think it will leave all current barstard things and inbuilt things in play, but I thought it would take him out of being an active influence on the game and turn him into the traditional mod. A facilitator.

 

I've always just known that in barstard games you vote the mod to check, then you lynch the mod

For the ooint of countering this it should be noted that Verb is mechanic, not a player. Killing him isnt going to affect his ability to influence the game because he is modding it.

 

None of us pushing against this disagree with killing him. We simply want info first so that our decision is made at the best tactical moment and not a complete shot in the dark.

 

@Des LOL, but would you believe an innocent child in a bastard setup?

[Niniel]

Vote Nolder

 

I agree with those who says that lynching Verbal is not a good idea right now. It´s right that we can´t believe all that he says but if we choose to believe the OP it looks like we need to kill the mafia first and then lynch Verbal. 

[ReleaseTheEvil]

I am against lynching Verbal until we suspect we have dealt with the mafia. If a Bastard mod is going to keep his word about anything, it will be about making us suffer.

 

Can vote to consolidate if need be but not sure I completely follow the whole case on Nolder.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Can we get a deadline check please?

[Niniel]

Forgot to unvote. And I used the red. 

 

Unvote. Vote Nolder

[John E. Kelley]

So everyone is voting Nol.......because of a difference of opinion? Seems weak to me.

 

And I'm heading to the office now, I'll be able to check the thread at lunch, but won't be around at 5.

[Leelou]

Can we get a deadline check please?

8 hours, 59 minutes

[csarmi]

Hey guys. Got swamped in work all of a sudden. Will have minimal activity during the day but I'm ready to move vote if need be.

[Leelou]

Vote Nolder

Tsk tsk

[Leelou]

Vote Count

 

Nolder (6) - Darthe, Mish, Salami, Berf, Des, Tina

Verbal (3) - Nolder, Dap, Pralaya

Lenlo (3) - RTE, Ishy, Krak

Salami (2) - Wombat, Nyn

Darthe (1) - Lily

 

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.