Daps Basic Mafia - GAME OVER, Mafia Wins!

[Kaylee]

First thing I want to ask is for those accusing kaylee of being defensive is to explain why it was scummy. Coming is and making a statement with a trigger word without backing up your reasoning is scummy.

 

Why? Because it is manipulative.

 

Defending oneself is a null tell at best. Over defensiveness is either scum or panicked town. So in the end a null tell. Krak and David please provide reasoning as to why you think kaylees defensiveness is scummy?

 

IMO so far David has been a complete hindrance to town. Not hammering was a horrible play. Not sure on his alignment yet.

 

Krak and Leno are my best bets for scum.

Although I agree with the concept of why feel the need to say this? Kinda feels like you're trying to buddy up to me.

 

 

You are right, peacesells, being defensive in and of itself is not very telling but it is probably what you are defending that gives you away.

 

In my opinion Kaylee defended herself well, and I kind of feel bad that she had to explain herself so much (like how hard it is to post on the mobile and such, so, sorry about that Kaylee.)

 

But I have noticed, Kaylee, that you are asking for comments from me and Krak, which is fine as we all need information, but I hope that it's not a tactic to use our words against us and cause a train of votes to follow.

 

I think the scummiest thing about you was gunning for mcs to be lynched, which would have been an easy lynch for the mafia, so if you are town, you were only helping mafia, if mcs is town.

What kind of a statement is this? Attempting to sow WIFOM and paint me scummy?

 

As for the blue see below:

 

 

While I think there are some scummier candidates, you are being awfully cryptic Krak, on a bit of a concerning level. This is a basic, non-themed game, so I highly doubt you have received a role where you are required to say things the way you are.

 

Vote Krak

If you find someone scummier then vote them. Did you case or comment on them? If not, this is a good place to look.

 

Here is where I first said something about him. At this point my vote was still on Krak for the vote switching and lack of reasoning.

 

 

Official Vote Count

 

Tiinker (2) - Darthe, Gen

David (1) - Len

BG (1) - Tiinker

Len (1) - Peace

Krak (4) - Pral, Kaylee, David, MCS

MCS (2) - Krak, Mish

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch

 

Not Voting

BG

 

Deadline

^Quoted this to show

 

Unvote, Vote MCS

I then decided to switch my vote since I also found MCS suspicious.

 

Seems a better candidate atm.

I was thinking since others were coming online (Mish) and voting for someone else I found suspicious that perhaps we could achieve a lynch if I switched.

 

Official Vote Count

 

Tiinker (2) - Darthe, Gen

David (1) - Len

BG (1) - Tiinker

Len (1) - Peace

Krak (3) - Pral, David, MCS

MCS (4) - Krak, Mish, Kaylee, BG

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch

 

Not Voting

No one

 

Deadline

BG followed the MCS train.

 

4 hours, let's not go random!

Here I point out that deadline is close. The longest train is still 3 votes shy at this point. (Notice how I'm not pushing for MCS to by lynched as accused). I simply didn't want a random as that only benefits mafia.

 

 

Essentially, for some reason, mcs started to get a lot of votes quite close to the deadline, so it was pretty clear he was going to get lynched. He just needed the hammer vote to get lynched which the mafia could have done. Maybe all of them were on mcs's bandwagon and they just needed a few more town votes. I didn't want to change my vote from Krak to mcs, but there were 5 other players who also didn't change their votes, so I'm not the only one who "let it go to random".

 

mcs's lynch was an easy one because he already had 5 or 6 votes on him in a matter of hours with no real reasoning, in my opinion. So I bet the mafia were trying hard to get players to vote him.

Green: no it wasn't. If he had come in and claim, or someone else had been acting scummy then another train could've been started and/or achieved. I've seen this happen with only 2 hours till deadline. The problem is people not posting. Even now there aren't enough people posting.

 

Teal: Incorrect. The above quote from the Mod was the last vote count. There were still 3 votes needed. (Not sure if you're not paying attention or trying to be misleading).

 

Purple: Possible though I doubt it. They'd be showing their hand too soon.

 

Bold: he only had 4 and I posted a case about it. In fact I have since re-stated that case. Are you not paying attention?

[Kaylee]

Vote David

[Kaylee]

As an FYI: I am having guests over for dinner so I won't be around until I go to bed tonight.

[Lenlo]

 

 

 

This game started 4 days ago people.  Let's get it together. 

 

Vote Darthe.

You seem set on lynching Darthe. Maybe you think he can be an easy lynch?

 

Vote peacesells

 

 

lol..darth is an easy lynch.  And it's not because I think so...it's a proven fact.

 

 

Laying the seeds and training our brains to think that any train on Darthe is only because he's an easy lynch and the mafia are those likely to push it. 

 

Ahh, some activity and am back from the weekend too. Tough to get any specific read from just a few pages but here are my thoughts.

 

Tinker - His actions feel like he was trying to kickstart the game. Nothing much was happening and I don't see anything scummy in his vote. Leaning town

David - his initial confusion about the joke seemed forced. It did not seem like an innocent misunderstanding at all. More like he was trying to be a bit manipulative. Leaning scum

Krak - seems to be voting everybody out there, looking to see who catches on. First was a joke vote on me, then on tinker and then on Darthe. Leaning scum

Peace - seems to be pushing his lynch on Darthe. I think his initial moves were to fish reactions but he has carried it over. Not really sure, but I think town

Darthe - Darthe being Darthe so far. Only a town read on his as of now. 

Lenlo - not enough serious posts to get a read on

MCS - his initial comments against inactives seems a bit suspicious. Again, not much to go on for now but leaning scum

BG, Gen, Nica, Ishy (replacement) - nothing

 

So far, I think it is David, Krak or MCS who are on my radar. But, my vote is on David.

 

vote David

 

Interesting, a bit of a thin playing field to be posting analysis on all the players. This is usually a tactic that is used in later days. Pral is a pretty good analytical player though, so we'll see what comes of this as his instincts tend to be good from what I've seen.

 

For now

 

Vote Peace

 

So I said it before when BG first brought this up that I thought it a shoddy reason for a vote correct? Well right now we know that BG is town because of the NK.

 

 

 

 

 

This game started 4 days ago people.  Let's get it together. 

 

Vote Darthe.

You seem set on lynching Darthe. Maybe you think he can be an easy lynch?

 

Vote peacesells

 

 

lol..darth is an easy lynch.  And it's not because I think so...it's a proven fact.

 

 

Laying the seeds and training our brains to think that any train on Darthe is only because he's an easy lynch and the mafia are those likely to push it. 

 

Ahh, some activity and am back from the weekend too. Tough to get any specific read from just a few pages but here are my thoughts.

 

Tinker - His actions feel like he was trying to kickstart the game. Nothing much was happening and I don't see anything scummy in his vote. Leaning town

David - his initial confusion about the joke seemed forced. It did not seem like an innocent misunderstanding at all. More like he was trying to be a bit manipulative. Leaning scum

Krak - seems to be voting everybody out there, looking to see who catches on. First was a joke vote on me, then on tinker and then on Darthe. Leaning scum

Peace - seems to be pushing his lynch on Darthe. I think his initial moves were to fish reactions but he has carried it over. Not really sure, but I think town

Darthe - Darthe being Darthe so far. Only a town read on his as of now. 

Lenlo - not enough serious posts to get a read on

MCS - his initial comments against inactives seems a bit suspicious. Again, not much to go on for now but leaning scum

BG, Gen, Nica, Ishy (replacement) - nothing

 

So far, I think it is David, Krak or MCS who are on my radar. But, my vote is on David.

 

vote David

 

Interesting, a bit of a thin playing field to be posting analysis on all the players. This is usually a tactic that is used in later days. Pral is a pretty good analytical player though, so we'll see what comes of this as his instincts tend to be good from what I've seen.

 

For now

 

Vote Peace

 

This reads as a load of yada to me. The whole spin on Peace trying to psychologically manipulate us is balls.

 

Vote BG

 

Tiink here wastes no time in reacting to what BG posted about Peace and immediately goes to defend him with this post, not just calling it a stupid reason to vote like I did but going so far as to vote him and then immediately after this post ((1 min to be exact))

 

Unvote, vote BG

 

BG is a tactical player who uses reason. I find it hard to believe that he'd play his town strengths by voting on such a notion.  

He comes up with even more reason to ignore what BG said about Peace and to focus on BG.

 

Official Vote Count

 

Tiinker (2) - Darthe, Gen

BG (1) - Tiinker

Len (1) - Peace

Krak (2) - David, MCS

MCS (6) - Krak, Mish, Kaylee, BG, Len, Pral

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch

 

Not Voting

No one

 

Deadline

This is the VC right before we got a mod kill on Darthe and as you can see both Tiink and Peace are both staying away from the MCS train that would, at the least, give us some useful information for the days work but they both decide to ignore it and let it go random. ((I know others did as well, such as David, but this post is focusing on Peace and Tiink.))

 

MCs acted scumlike but the train seemed hugely desperate. Regardless of how close we were to the deadline, and that town wants to get info, he's dropped as a viable lynch candidate for today. Kaylee seems to want to stay in everybody's good books. You got a vote you want to place? Place it.

 

MCs and Oral, you guys have any thoughts to give? I'm gonna try avoid posting any mass of text because writing from this god forsaken tablet is a great pain in my ass..

I dont see how the bolded here is true at all. He was a desperate train because we were running out of time, but it was still a train based off of him acting like scum. In no way does anything point to him not being a viable lynch candidate for today. This looks like Tiink trying to move attention away from a possible team member or earn some town cred if MCS flips town if/when we lynch him.

 

Right now my top 2 are Peace and Tiink.

 

Vote Tiink. And yes I got a vote I want to place. Deal with it.

[dapianoplay3r]

Official Vote Count

 

Kaylee (2) - David, Tiinker

David (1) - Kaylee

Tiinker (1) - Len

 

Not Voting;

MCS, Peace, Mish, Pray, Krak, Gen

 

With 10 alive it takes 6 to Lynch

 

Deadline

[dapianoplay3r]

Sorry for the delay, I was sick yesterday

 

There are a few people that need to bump their activity

[David Hermes]

Official Vote Count

 

Tiinker (2) - Darthe, Gen

BG (1) - Tiinker

Len (1) - Peace

Krak (2) - David, MCS

MCS (6) - Krak, Mish, Kaylee, BG, Len, Pral

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch

 

Not Voting

No one

 

Deadline

This is what I was referring to Kaylee. MCS had 6 votes on him. You were his 3rd vote. So, yes he was extremely close to being lynched. And it was obvious how inactive some players are so I don't see how a successful lynch could have happened.

[David Hermes]

MCS: Think about it for a second. I doubt you are mafia because I doubt the mafia would allow one of their members to get lynched D1. Perhaps on D2, but really it's unnecessary on D1, as mafia could get a townie lynched without risking themselves. Surely one of the mafia could have hammered you if they wanted. Maybe all of them were already on your train of votes so they had to rely on town to finish you off (This is just my theory, of course). So you read town to me.

[mcs0083]

That does make since, if the mafia team is running a play it cool offense at the beginning of the game. In other games I've been in, where the mafia has won, they were aggressive right out of the gate, wanting to cause as much pandemonium as possible. Perhaps you are being truthful, perhaps you are telling me what I want to hear. All I know is that after one more re-read and a few more responses from the both of you, my vote will be going on either you or Tiink at this point. Both of your votes on Kaylee are desperate and smell of scum. She has not made any direct accusations against either of you, simply given logical ideas, and you place your votes on her. Yeah,she might be trying to stay in everyone's good books by posting the way she is, but that is a good strategy if one is a town player too. She COULD be mafia, any of us could, but right now you two are the biggest wild cards in the deck from where I'm standing. It's up to you which one of you I draw, and perhaps it will be neither if things change later in this day phase. I don't see that happening though.

[Kaylee]

Your right David, I missed that vote count. I apologise for that.

[Kaylee]

MCS: Think about it for a second. I doubt you are mafia because I doubt the mafia would allow one of their members to get lynched D1. Perhaps on D2, but really it's unnecessary on D1, as mafia could get a townie lynched without risking themselves. Surely one of the mafia could have hammered you if they wanted. Maybe all of them were already on your train of votes so they had to rely on town to finish you off (This is just my theory, of course). So you read town to me.

Possible. It's also possible he's mafia and none of the other members were on his team.

[Tiinker]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This game started 4 days ago people. Let's get it together.

 

Vote Darthe.

You seem set on lynching Darthe. Maybe you think he can be an easy lynch?

 

Vote peacesells

lol..darth is an easy lynch. And it's not because I think so...it's a proven fact.

Laying the seeds and training our brains to think that any train on Darthe is only because he's an easy lynch and the mafia are those likely to push it.

Ahh, some activity and am back from the weekend too. Tough to get any specific read from just a few pages but here are my thoughts.

 

Tinker - His actions feel like he was trying to kickstart the game. Nothing much was happening and I don't see anything scummy in his vote. Leaning town

David - his initial confusion about the joke seemed forced. It did not seem like an innocent misunderstanding at all. More like he was trying to be a bit manipulative. Leaning scum

Krak - seems to be voting everybody out there, looking to see who catches on. First was a joke vote on me, then on tinker and then on Darthe. Leaning scum

Peace - seems to be pushing his lynch on Darthe. I think his initial moves were to fish reactions but he has carried it over. Not really sure, but I think town

Darthe - Darthe being Darthe so far. Only a town read on his as of now.

Lenlo - not enough serious posts to get a read on

MCS - his initial comments against inactives seems a bit suspicious. Again, not much to go on for now but leaning scum

BG, Gen, Nica, Ishy (replacement) - nothing

 

So far, I think it is David, Krak or MCS who are on my radar. But, my vote is on David.

 

vote David

Interesting, a bit of a thin playing field to be posting analysis on all the players. This is usually a tactic that is used in later days. Pral is a pretty good analytical player though, so we'll see what comes of this as his instincts tend to be good from what I've seen.

 

For now

 

Vote Peace

So I said it before when BG first brought this up that I thought it a shoddy reason for a vote correct? Well right now we know that BG is town because of the NK.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This game started 4 days ago people. Let's get it together.

 

Vote Darthe.

You seem set on lynching Darthe. Maybe you think he can be an easy lynch?

 

Vote peacesells

lol..darth is an easy lynch. And it's not because I think so...it's a proven fact.

Laying the seeds and training our brains to think that any train on Darthe is only because he's an easy lynch and the mafia are those likely to push it.

 

 

Ahh, some activity and am back from the weekend too. Tough to get any specific read from just a few pages but here are my thoughts.

 

Tinker - His actions feel like he was trying to kickstart the game. Nothing much was happening and I don't see anything scummy in his vote. Leaning town

David - his initial confusion about the joke seemed forced. It did not seem like an innocent misunderstanding at all. More like he was trying to be a bit manipulative. Leaning scum

Krak - seems to be voting everybody out there, looking to see who catches on. First was a joke vote on me, then on tinker and then on Darthe. Leaning scum

Peace - seems to be pushing his lynch on Darthe. I think his initial moves were to fish reactions but he has carried it over. Not really sure, but I think town

Darthe - Darthe being Darthe so far. Only a town read on his as of now.

Lenlo - not enough serious posts to get a read on

MCS - his initial comments against inactives seems a bit suspicious. Again, not much to go on for now but leaning scum

BG, Gen, Nica, Ishy (replacement) - nothing

 

So far, I think it is David, Krak or MCS who are on my radar. But, my vote is on David.

 

vote David

Interesting, a bit of a thin playing field to be posting analysis on all the players. This is usually a tactic that is used in later days. Pral is a pretty good analytical player though, so we'll see what comes of this as his instincts tend to be good from what I've seen.

 

For now

 

Vote Peace

This reads as a load of yada to me. The whole spin on Peace trying to psychologically manipulate us is balls.

 

Vote BG

Tiink here wastes no time in reacting to what BG posted about Peace and immediately goes to defend him with this post, not just calling it a stupid reason to vote like I did but going so far as to vote him and then immediately after this post ((1 min to be exact))

Unvote, vote BG

 

BG is a tactical player who uses reason. I find it hard to believe that he'd play his town strengths by voting on such a notion.

He comes up with even more reason to ignore what BG said about Peace and to focus on BG.

Official Vote Count

 

Tiinker (2) - Darthe, Gen

BG (1) - Tiinker

Len (1) - Peace

Krak (2) - David, MCS

MCS (6) - Krak, Mish, Kaylee, BG, Len, Pral

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch

 

Not Voting

No one

 

Deadline

This is the VC right before we got a mod kill on Darthe and as you can see both Tiink and Peace are both staying away from the MCS train that would, at the least, give us some useful information for the days work but they both decide to ignore it and let it go random. ((I know others did as well, such as David, but this post is focusing on Peace and Tiink.))

MCs acted scumlike but the train seemed hugely desperate. Regardless of how close we were to the deadline, and that town wants to get info, he's dropped as a viable lynch candidate for today. Kaylee seems to want to stay in everybody's good books. You got a vote you want to place? Place it.

 

MCs and Oral, you guys have any thoughts to give? I'm gonna try avoid posting any mass of text because writing from this god forsaken tablet is a great pain in my ass..

I dont see how the bolded here is true at all. He was a desperate train because we were running out of time, but it was still a train based off of him acting like scum. In no way does anything point to him not being a viable lynch candidate for today. This looks like Tiink trying to move attention away from a possible team member or earn some town cred if MCS flips town if/when we lynch him.

 

Right now my top 2 are Peace and Tiink.

 

Vote Tiink. And yes I got a vote I want to place. Deal with it.

This post is full of junk. invite, vote Lenlo

 

Even you called out BG because his post was ridiculous. The only thing you're focusing on here is the timing which won't tell you jack because I obviously wasn't in cahootes with BG. MCS wasn't scummy enough to build a speed lynch, and the timing was used to mafias advantage. Good to see you right near the end of that lynch train.

 

If you believed half of what you wrote about me and Peace then you'd more logically think to push a lynch on MCS who you stated was a viable candidate for today.

[Lenlo]

Invite eh? Cant even actually vote me, just gotta look like you did. Could be a mistake but I doubt it.

 

I did call BG out on it, as I said in my post above, but as you can see I also said a whole lot more than just about the timing. You saying I was using just that instead of looking at the rest of it makes this an easier choice for me. And the fact that you think I was trying to say you were in cahoots with BG ((Who flipped town)) means you didnt even read the part your railing against correctly. Im saying your with Peace.

 

Im willing to vote any of the three of you, but seeing what people have said I figured it easier to push for you, watch you flip scum and then use that to push Peace and MCS.

 

I was at the end because, as I stated, I was moving. Not my fault that the deadline fell on that day.

[mcs0083]

 

MCS: Think about it for a second. I doubt you are mafia because I doubt the mafia would allow one of their members to get lynched D1. Perhaps on D2, but really it's unnecessary on D1, as mafia could get a townie lynched without risking themselves. Surely one of the mafia could have hammered you if they wanted. Maybe all of them were already on your train of votes so they had to rely on town to finish you off (This is just my theory, of course). So you read town to me.

Possible. It's also possible he's mafia and none of the other members were on his team.

 

 

Exactly the point I made. ANY of us could be mafia, and David's healthy assumption that I am town again has me worried. He is either a townie trying to play nice and seem like a low level threat, or playing scum head games.

[Tiinker]

Invite eh? Cant even actually vote me, just gotta look like you did. Could be a mistake but I doubt it.

 

I did call BG out on it, as I said in my post above, but as you can see I also said a whole lot more than just about the timing. You saying I was using just that instead of looking at the rest of it makes this an easier choice for me. And the fact that you think I was trying to say you were in cahoots with BG ((Who flipped town)) means you didnt even read the part your railing against correctly. Im saying your with Peace.

 

Im willing to vote any of the three of you, but seeing what people have said I figured it easier to push for you, watch you flip scum and then use that to push Peace and MCS.

 

I was at the end because, as I stated, I was moving. Not my fault that the deadline fell on that day.

Then what does the timing indicate? Nothing. You can't just grab any what if scenario. Scumhunt instead of making up random scenarios. It was just a load of fluff backed up by nothing and you came out aggressively to make it look like your points had any validity. Push me instead and watch me flip scum because you're super certain? Please..

[michellem]

What the...?!  I wrote a huuuuge case here yesterday?! Where did it go? Arrgh!

 

Fine, incoming after I've done what I'm doing today. In a nutshell, it's a clearcut case that either MCS or David is mafia, or rather, that they both are. I'll redo it all when I come home this evening

[peacesells]

I'm thinking the fact that MCS wasn't lynched and it went random makes it more likely that MCS is scum...not less. 

[David Hermes]

I'm thinking the fact that MCS wasn't lynched and it went random makes it more likely that MCS is scum...not less. 

Actually, no. MCS had 6 votes on him, which could be a mixture of mafia and town votes. There were 6 other players with their votes elsewhere, again these could be a mixture of mafia and townie players. So you have to explain why the town players who didn't vote mcs, decided not to lynch him. Basically at this point the mafia had no power to stop mcs's lynch other than unvoting him to reduce his number of votes.

 

The reason I didn't vote him was I didn't believe he was as scumworthy as Krak, and I didn't want to be the hammer vote.

[David Hermes]

Also I want to make a point: if the activity level stays about the same, I doubt we'll reach a lynch on D2 either.

[David Hermes]

What the...?!  I wrote a huuuuge case here yesterday?! Where did it go? Arrgh!

 

Fine, incoming after I've done what I'm doing today. In a nutshell, it's a clearcut case that either MCS or David is mafia, or rather, that they both are. I'll redo it all when I come home this evening

And by the way, very little is clear in this game, so how can you be so sure of anything? We'll have to see how a few more players flip, before we can make any real connections, in my opinion. In fact you've got me suspicious now with your surety.

 

Unvote Kaylee, vote Misheru Sedai.

[peacesells]

 

I'm thinking the fact that MCS wasn't lynched and it went random makes it more likely that MCS is scum...not less. 

Actually, no. MCS had 6 votes on him, which could be a mixture of mafia and town votes. There were 6 other players with their votes elsewhere, again these could be a mixture of mafia and townie players. So you have to explain why the town players who didn't vote mcs, decided not to lynch him. Basically at this point the mafia had no power to stop mcs's lynch other than unvoting him to reduce his number of votes.

 

The reason I didn't vote him was I didn't believe he was as scumworthy as Krak, and I didn't want to be the hammer vote.

 

ACTUALLY NO.  If those who did not vote him are scum (including me) and MCS is scum then they would benefit from a no lynch.  Therefore they would be less likely to hammer.

 

You had the opportunity to hammer.  In fact, not hammering was terribly scummy since a random has a chance of taking out a PR.  Even if the random took out scum it benefits the scum team in that there is no coroner report and they'd just trade one for one.

 

I think we need to lynch MCS today.  Not only is there a good chance he is scum..it will also give clues on several other players involved.

 

UNVOTE VOTE MCS

[Lenlo]

 

Invite eh? Cant even actually vote me, just gotta look like you did. Could be a mistake but I doubt it.

 

I did call BG out on it, as I said in my post above, but as you can see I also said a whole lot more than just about the timing. You saying I was using just that instead of looking at the rest of it makes this an easier choice for me. And the fact that you think I was trying to say you were in cahoots with BG ((Who flipped town)) means you didnt even read the part your railing against correctly. Im saying your with Peace.

 

Im willing to vote any of the three of you, but seeing what people have said I figured it easier to push for you, watch you flip scum and then use that to push Peace and MCS.

 

I was at the end because, as I stated, I was moving. Not my fault that the deadline fell on that day.

Then what does the timing indicate? Nothing. You can't just grab any what if scenario. Scumhunt instead of making up random scenarios. It was just a load of fluff backed up by nothing and you came out aggressively to make it look like your points had any validity. Push me instead and watch me flip scum because you're super certain? Please..

 

The timing is that you posted one thing about BGs case and voted him and then not a minute later came back and said "No wait, theres also THIS reason to lynch him. Vote BG again for emphasis."

 

 

 

I'm thinking the fact that MCS wasn't lynched and it went random makes it more likely that MCS is scum...not less. 

Actually, no. MCS had 6 votes on him, which could be a mixture of mafia and town votes. There were 6 other players with their votes elsewhere, again these could be a mixture of mafia and townie players. So you have to explain why the town players who didn't vote mcs, decided not to lynch him. Basically at this point the mafia had no power to stop mcs's lynch other than unvoting him to reduce his number of votes.

 

The reason I didn't vote him was I didn't believe he was as scumworthy as Krak, and I didn't want to be the hammer vote.

 

ACTUALLY NO.  If those who did not vote him are scum (including me) and MCS is scum then they would benefit from a no lynch.  Therefore they would be less likely to hammer.

 

You had the opportunity to hammer.  In fact, not hammering was terribly scummy since a random has a chance of taking out a PR.  Even if the random took out scum it benefits the scum team in that there is no coroner report and they'd just trade one for one.

 

I think we need to lynch MCS today.  Not only is there a good chance he is scum..it will also give clues on several other players involved.

 

UNVOTE VOTE MCS

 

Im good with this. Im still suspicious of Peace but lynching MCs would clear up some stuff about yesterday.

 

Unvote vote MCS

[Krakalakachkn]

I've never seen a random modkill before, although of course I can imagine what it entails.

 

I still think Krak was lying low in his own weird way.

 

Do I know you?

 

 

You are right, peacesells, being defensive in and of itself is not very telling but it is probably what you are defending that gives you away.

 

In my opinion Kaylee defended herself well, and I kind of feel bad that she had to explain herself so much (like how hard it is to post on the mobile and such, so, sorry about that Kaylee.)

 

But I have noticed, Kaylee, that you are asking for comments from me and Krak, which is fine as we all need information, but I hope that it's not a tactic to use our words against us and cause a train of votes to follow.

 

I think the scummiest thing about you was gunning for mcs to be lynched, which would have been an easy lynch for the mafia, so if you are town, you were only helping mafia, if mcs is town.

 

Could you be more flippy-floppy dude?  You called Kaylee defensive and pressured her, when questioned as to why you did it you responded all penitent, apologizing.

 

Then you comment on her playing the game (which is completely pointless), admit information is needed (duh), and then come out with this theory that it's a scheme to twist our words against us later in the game.  I just don't even...

 

I'm not sure why you're so persistent in claiming that MCS was an easy lynch for the mafia.  Frankly, I think I was the easier lynch as I had more votes on myself.  The point being that it took a little doing for MCS to become the biggest train, meaning that (hopefully) other players thought I was more likely to be town and MCS was scummier.  This theory also presupposes MCS' innocence, which is in no way proven or likely, except through your convoluted reasoning.

 

 

Hello guys. Kaylee, like the blue part of you quoting me indicated, Krak's response made him my real vote instead of a feeler. His reacting that aggressively that quickly made me keep my vote the way I did. If he had not reacted in such a way I would have put my vote on david or tiink. That's all there is to it. Ill post more when I get home in a bit.

 

Why David or Tiink?

 

 

I'm thinking the fact that MCS wasn't lynched and it went random makes it more likely that MCS is scum...not less. 

Actually, no. MCS had 6 votes on him, which could be a mixture of mafia and town votes. There were 6 other players with their votes elsewhere, again these could be a mixture of mafia and townie players. So you have to explain why the town players who didn't vote mcs, decided not to lynch him. Basically at this point the mafia had no power to stop mcs's lynch other than unvoting him to reduce his number of votes.

 

The reason I didn't vote him was I didn't believe he was as scumworthy as Krak, and I didn't want to be the hammer vote.

 

 

What the hell are you talking about?  

 

Your statements seem completely contradictory.  You say scum had no power to stop MCS' lynch, and yet it didn't go through.  You, Young David, were one of those who didn't vote for him.  Your reasoning for such is terrible - you didn't vote because you didn't want to be the hammer?  What kind of terrible reason is that?  And scumworthy has nothing to do with anything when it's going to go to random on Day 1, giving us little to no information to go on for Day 2, including no coroner report which is spelled out in Player's opening post!

 

 

What the...?!  I wrote a huuuuge case here yesterday?! Where did it go? Arrgh!

 

Fine, incoming after I've done what I'm doing today. In a nutshell, it's a clearcut case that either MCS or David is mafia, or rather, that they both are. I'll redo it all when I come home this evening

And by the way, very little is clear in this game, so how can you be so sure of anything? We'll have to see how a few more players flip, before we can make any real connections, in my opinion. In fact you've got me suspicious now with your surety.

 

Unvote Kaylee, vote Misheru Sedai.

 

 

You jump on Mish with a vote before she can spell out her reasons for voting you (which she promised to do), claiming lack of reason on her part.  I'm confused as to your playing.  

 

 

 

It's T-15ish hours until deadline and I am perfectly happy with either a David or MCS lynch, but I'd be happier with a David lynch (who oddly enough happens to be my favorite director).

 

Vote David

[Pralaya]

Could you be more flippy-floppy dude?  You called Kaylee defensive and pressured her, when questioned as to why you did it you responded all penitent, apologizing.

 

 

Er, didn't you do the same?

 

 

Pretty defensive, aren't ya?

 

[Pralaya]

I meant about calling her defensive.