(BASIC): The Perfect Pizza Town wins

[Darthe]

Sadly no. I am security right now. No drinking on the job.

[Tiinker]

 

Vote WBK 

 

His reaction to Darthe was too meek. I feel he would've been more annoyed but he didn't want to climb up on radars and expose himself. 

 

 

Cool. Now explain why you haven't argued against being mafia and your thoughts on others.

 

Specifically Des.

 

Because there is really nothing to argue about - you're case is kind of far-fetched and Des is buddying.  Thus I don't feel like there is much to argue at this point.

 

Thoughts on others - mostly spam and commenting on it which means there is not much to go off of.

 

 

Those are all the players that have posted in here so far.  I would like to see other people coming in and interacting before voting since a deadline has not been set yet and we have time.

 

 

Vote WBK 

 

His reaction to Darthe was too meek. I feel he would've been more annoyed but he didn't want to climb up on radars and expose himself. He describes the case on Desp as far fetched because it's not got a lot of backing evidence. Well, it's freakinng beginning of D1 so that should've been evident from the start. D1 is about seeing what's what, not waiting for someone to make a slip during casual chat. You poke, you prod, and in this case it just seems like digging for town cred. Also, not voting until a deadline has been set is scummy as you're waiting for the pressure of time so town makes a more uninformed decision.

 

 

Way to misread everything I said.

 

First regarding my reaction to Darthe - if I would've reacted agressively, you would have said I'm being defensive and found that to be scummy.  That's the way things have always happened to me.

 

Wasn't saying the despo case was far-fetched - I was saying his case on me was.  He voted me for this "??" That's not far fetched?

 

Point stands. Anything on D1 is a stretch. As someone who should be well aware of that by now I dislike your attempt to use it as a defense and so early in the day phase. 

 

@Mish - Nice to see that D1 contribution coming

[michellem]

Yeah well it's easier when someone does something so obviously scummy ;)

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

You can't tell me you don't check in more. Everyone knows how active you are. Surely you have thoughts on things.

I've read more than I've spoken and I'll probably continue to do so, as speaking more than i read hasnt worked well for me. turns out i think better when I'm not babbling. but I have been afk here most of last night and today. and hopefully wont spend this night here either. that's kind of a new personal non game meta.

 

my thoughts haven't changed much from when I posted earlier.

 

you're prodding for reactions and getting them.

 

I doubt you have any real thoughts yourself or you'd not resort to such silly baiting techniques.

 

I suspect your time here is limited so you're trying to make the most of it by pushing activity to try to get something to go on.

 

I don't think that makes you scummy, just ... proddy. and frustrated or playing with your own meta bush beater.

 

new thoughts since this morning... I still want more words, I don't like unexplained votes, I don't like complete lurkage, but I'm not surprised given the other board activity combined with ppl like working and stuff.

 

I don't know that you make a bad case on des. I don't know that tress makes a good one. they both kind of ping. odd interactions between them.

 

Kronos seems not into being baited, but not scummy.

 

mish getting snarled at for voting... anyone posting at all getting snipped at and prodded... you think that might keep some ppl quiet or even limit their posts to things like, "I bet darthes town in this game :laugh:" ? I don't know. it might.

 

hard to say on anyone when half the ppl playing haven't said three game related posts yet.

[Darthe]

Yay thoughts!

 

I don't know which I agree with (btw, I have all night so I'm definitely not short there) but it's something.

[Tiinker]

Yeah well it's easier when someone does something so obviously scummy ;)

All planned to help break the shell. What a good friend I am.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

can I get back to drinking and amusing myself now?

 

I'll have some more lucid moments tomorrow.

[Darthe]

Depends on how you amuse yourself

[Hallia]

I think Wolfie's responses havent' been anything too scummy, he doesn't seem particularly to be rising to the baiting people are dangling.  If that's what you were doin' tiink good job!

 

Vote tiink

[Basel Gill]

DL will be set for 9 PM EST Tuesday, July 23rd. (72 hours plus an extra day for the weekend. Can't do a proper VC from my phone anf the rainstorm is playing havoc with the power. ) if this lets ipmore I will do one later tonight or tomorrow morning.

 

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[Basel Gill]

Vote count:

 

Tress (1): Des

Berf (2): Krak, Kronos

Des (2): Berf, Peace

Kronos (2): Tiink, Darthe

Tiink (2): Mish, Hally

 

Not voting (4): Panchi, Tress, Kaylee, Cindy

 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is Tues. Jul. 23rd at 9 PM EST.

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130723T21&p0=422

[Darthe]

I think Wolfie's responses havent' been anything too scummy, he doesn't seem particularly to be rising to the baiting people are dangling.  If that's what you were doin' tiink good job!

 

Vote tiink

 

The last half of this post is self contradictory.

[Hallia]

I was trying to be a smarty pants, I'm not good at it

[Darthe]

Logic is your tool, but don't be sad <3 Nobody wants to see you sad.

[Hallia]

^.^  I'm much better at just being sincere.  I'ma stick with it.  Logically though, wolfie didn't react any differently than I've ever seen him do as town, not really scummy to me.

[Kaylee]

VOTE DESP

^Helpful, really

 

Okay reads:

 

Darthe: town

 

Tress: leaning strongly scum. Not only did she fence sit on me, she introduced wifom on me even if I wasn't lynched (she could come back to me later- "remember how SCUMMY he was acting earlier guys?!?!"), and then started backpedaling on what she said after being challenged by Darthe. Incidentally, what she said is partially true, I do try acting a little scummy early in games as town to try and avoid NK's, but her mentioning that midgame could easily be an attempt to buddy to me or to gain town cred on my flip

 

Berf: leaning slightly scum. His obvious bandwagon vote accompanied with the blatant cheerleading stuff seems a lot like an attempt to provoke me. Ever since the end of the Merlin mafia game he has had a hard on for trying to show up and contradict me.

 

Krak: leaning slightly scum. His "Oh you two..." comment seemed like it could a been scum enjoying hanging back and watching two townies bicker at each other.

 

Kaylee: leaning town. Don't think she would have posted such an obvious fence-sitting post as scum.

 

Vote Tress

Yes I was fence-sitting. Still not sure of either of you to be honest. (meaning Des and Darthe).

 

 

Which is why I'm trying to get my reads out. I do think right now Tress looks scummiest, and I encourage others to vote her

Hmm...The bold is the reason you are suspicious of Berf isn't it? Interesting. Cheerleading after accusing someone of doing so in case you weren't sure what I was referring to. I know there's not too much to go off of atm, but really?

 

 

Tress I already mentioned Berf's wagoning and found it questionable. There's not much to say about Peace's wagon vote, since that's all he posted. You expect me to not question it when I see a situation where someone might be buddying to me or trying to gain town cred by defending me should I get lynched?

Bold: again mentioning Berf for bandwagoning when you basically are asking others to do so on Tress.

 

I don't disagree with the suspicions of Berf, but I add you to that category for the same reasoning.

 

Cindy I'm leaning town atm.

 

Would be nice to hear more from Peace.

 

There are a lot that I'm just unsure of still.

[hazelkrs1]

Berf joins the despo train.

 

 

Hey hey now my pms ended already. You should know this, you helped me change my tampon

 

On a serious note, it's like I said. You've been extremely easy to peg as scum lately. I don't mind sheeping you for now since your town instincts have been good. If it turns out you're scum, I'll figure it out before too long. You like me too much and the challenge of going up against me as scum, so I don't think you'd NK me early if you were mafia.

 

Plus, a wagon is really the only way to get past the RVS stage. As much as I don't mind the chatty too much, I also like it when games move into the serious stage somewhat quickly.

 

I will say Darthe, you do seem to be jumping at shadows just a bit. Makes me wonder... you did try pretty hard to set off some of those triggers.... did you get a juicy mafia role?

 

Very well...

 

ALL ABOARD THE DESPO TRAIN!!

 

DEPARTING STATION 2 AT FORTY-SIX PAST NINE.

 

CHOOO CHOOOOOOO!!

 

VOTE DESP

 

 

 

 

 

Shows a lack of interest in trying to scum hunt.

Whelp, my vote isn't moving.

 

 

I could go with Peace for his random vote and I'm finding tress to be scummy too.

 

Alert! Alert! Another player possibly buddying to me. Chainsaw defends me by attacking Berf, and seems to want to vote Tress too. WBK I'd feel more comfortable about you had you voted Tress instead of just saying you could vote her. Seems like lazy distancing to me.

 

Tbh tho, I didn't find the initial "case" on you to be that strong, and I too find your responses to be more townish so far.

 

I'm finding Tiink to be pretty scummy right now for that whole misrepresantion of Kronos.

 

Actually, vote Tiink

 

I actually don't think Tiinker intentionally misrepresented WBK. If you look at the post Tink quoted, it does seem like it would be pretty easy to confuse what WBK had said.

 

 

You can't tell me you don't check in more. Everyone knows how active you are. Surely you have thoughts on things.

I've read more than I've spoken and I'll probably continue to do so, as speaking more than i read hasnt worked well for me. turns out i think better when I'm not babbling. but I have been afk here most of last night and today. and hopefully wont spend this night here either. that's kind of a new personal non game meta.

 

my thoughts haven't changed much from when I posted earlier.

 

you're prodding for reactions and getting them.

 

I doubt you have any real thoughts yourself or you'd not resort to such silly baiting techniques.

 

I suspect your time here is limited so you're trying to make the most of it by pushing activity to try to get something to go on.

 

I don't think that makes you scummy, just ... proddy. and frustrated or playing with your own meta bush beater.

 

new thoughts since this morning... I still want more words, I don't like unexplained votes, I don't like complete lurkage, but I'm not surprised given the other board activity combined with ppl like working and stuff.

 

I don't know that you make a bad case on des. I don't know that tress makes a good one. they both kind of ping. odd interactions between them.

 

Kronos seems not into being baited, but not scummy.

 

mish getting snarled at for voting... anyone posting at all getting snipped at and prodded... you think that might keep some ppl quiet or even limit their posts to things like, "I bet darthes town in this game :laugh:" ? I don't know. it might.

 

hard to say on anyone when half the ppl playing haven't said three game related posts yet.

 

 

For the most part Cindy is pretty non-committal here, which actually fits her meta from the one game I've played with her (on JN, where she was town). But I don't like the way she links me and Tress in the bolded part.

 

Watchin teh kitteh for now

 

 

Depends on how you amuse yourself

 

 

Soooo... no one seems to be following me on Tress. Still think she's scum but meh Unvote for now.

 

Only other one I have much of a strong scum read on atm is Berf, so I'll go ahead and Vote Berf.

 

 

How do you like THEM apples, Berf?

 

[peacesells]

Desp is still scum.

 

 

There...more for Kaylee.

[hazelkrs1]

Ninja'd. Kaylee I'll respond more once I finish audit, but to partially understand where I'm coming from you need a little background for reference. Did you see the "Cheerleading lynches" thread I started on the mafia board?

[hazelkrs1]

 

Which is why I'm trying to get my reads out. I do think right now Tress looks scummiest, and I encourage others to vote her

Hmm...The bold is the reason you are suspicious of Berf isn't it? Interesting. Cheerleading after accusing someone of doing so in case you weren't sure what I was referring to. I know there's not too much to go off of atm, but really?

 

 

Tress I already mentioned Berf's wagoning and found it questionable. There's not much to say about Peace's wagon vote, since that's all he posted. You expect me to not question it when I see a situation where someone might be buddying to me or trying to gain town cred by defending me should I get lynched?

Bold: again mentioning Berf for bandwagoning when you basically are asking others to do so on Tress.

 

I don't disagree with the suspicions of Berf, but I add you to that category for the same reasoning.

 

Cindy I'm leaning town atm.

 

Would be nice to hear more from Peace.

 

There are a lot that I'm just unsure of still.

 

 

 

Okay to explain it more fully Kaylee, in the thread I mentioned, I brought up the topic of whether or not a specific type of cheerleading was unsportsmanlike. I'm not talking about the plain 'ol encouraging others to vote someone thing, I was referring to the antagonistic type of cheerleading that I have seen spill over into DM lately. Stuff like the "CHOO CHOO! No brakes!" type comments. Well, a lot of people disagreed with me and felt it was part of the game, but specifically Berf was one of those that seemed to relish in antagonizing me even more over it.

 

In fact, to truly understand the background here you'd have to go back even further to Time's Merlin game that happened a couple of games ago. At the end of that game, I was arguing against a mass lynch (as town btw) that Ithi has basically proposed because I felt it would cheapen the town victory (town was steamrolling mafia in that game). Anyways Berf came in strong against that position of mine, and was saying I was ridiculous etc.

 

Then he comes in the cheerleading thread against me. Then he comes into this game and posts the train pic and the choo choo comments, again all apparently in the hopes of provoking and antagonizing me.

 

I can't really think of any good justification for why Berf would want to antagonize me as town, but it's pretty easy to see why he might do so as scum. Additionally, if he does have some kind of personal grudge against me or something which is starting to appear possible, then I feel he doesn't have much worth as a scumhunter in this game. So basically we either take out a scum, or lose someone that isn't voting with logic but is letting their actions be decided by personal grudges. Seems like a good scenario to me.

 

And incidentally, the pic I posted above was the kind of thing I was referring to, and was a jab back at him. Maybe it was a little immature, but I still thought it could possibly alleviate the situation somewhat if he is town.

 

Desp is still scum.

 

 

There...more for Kaylee.

 

 

Nice job continuing to refrain from making any arguments against  me. Trying to cover your ass for once I flip town?

[berf]

The Cheerleading lynches thread is exactly why I put that train.gif and vote up Desp. You need to lighten up. Anyway - copy paste of my notes so far. Desp is doing something scum with each step he takes. 

 

My intention was to post the vote/train out and see what happens. I've been active on DM but avoiding this thread mostly to let it play it out. I was expecting Desp to flip out. I was expecting him town and to rail. Instead he is playing very cold and calculated, but attempting to soften with smileys and jokes and such. I wanted to shake the tree, the tree being desp, and have a look at what happens. Darthe came in, so did Peace. Both are smartasses like myself, and prolly bandwagoned to twist the knife a little after the emo threads going up lately and the collective responses to them.

 

Anyway rambling. Case notes:

 

First inclination of Desp being scum was the vote on Tress. Opportunistic, target comes in and places a vote, but mostly agreeing with everyone else's thoughts, which is fair enough. But I read it as voting a team mate who has jumped in to start running interference, so he doesn't want to vote too hard, obviously.

 

Says this:

 

 

 

"I do try acting a little scummy early in games as town to try and avoid NK's, but her mentioning that midgame could easily be an attempt to buddy to me or to gain town cred on my flip"

 

I hope I don't need to tell you what is wrong with this. "Please don't vote me if I appear mafia."

 

 

"Berf: leaning slightly scum. His obvious bandwagon vote accompanied with the blatant cheerleading stuff seems a lot like an attempt to provoke me. Ever since the end of the Merlin mafia game he has had a hard on for trying to show up and contradict me."

 

For a start, I didn't bandwagon. I started the damn train. And it's hard not to be excited when you make such a perfect ass out of yourself every time And again, welcome to the joke. It's not about contradicting you, it's about you accepting all playstyles.

 

 

"Krak: leaning slightly scum. His "Oh you two..." comment seemed like it could a been scum enjoying hanging back and watching two townies bicker at each other."

 

Reaching. Why would mafia make such an easily twisted statement like that? Krak being Krak. Introducing a random target by the way. Krak hasn't been on the radar at all.

 

 

"Kaylee: leaning town. Don't think she would have posted such an obvious fence-sitting post as scum."

 

Also at the top of the post Desp calls Darthe town. Darthe I can understand, but town reads this early are always alarm bells. For the people with them, I should clarify. 

 

For a start, this statement shows he is thinking about what mafia would and wouldn't do, yet calls Krak scum as above. Contradictory. Unthoughtful. 

 

Posts of a man at l-4 with a lot of time yet to go, and only one other viable target who may or may not be on mafia team (Tress). 

 

More posts after Mish begs him to step from the ledge.

"I don't wanna die but there are worse targets so I am totally OK with it you guyz"

 

IE - "I'm totes town come rescue me" A little violin might as well be playing.

 

Then - Contradictory post about asking peeps to vote Tress. IE I don't want to start a train, but totally start a train.

 

Called out by Cindy, whom Desp has said nothing about. I also didn't notice any posts about Darthe, Kronos, or peace, and only kronos is not voting him at this point out of those three. Obviously doesn't want to draw in more players to his situation by provoking them into at least looking at him by mentioning them.

 

I then comment saying my vote isn't moving.

 

Kronos comes in, votes me for JOINING the despo train. (Thought I started the despo train?)

 

Mish randoms and votes Tiinker. Hallie backs it up.

 

Both soft.

 

Desp then lists a few targets he has found to be buddying to him, and yet can see the chance of a train on me, switches to me. At this stage I have two game posts. One a joke train GIF, and the other confirming my suspicions of him.

 

 

 

So yeah. My vote is comfy.

 

Desp scum, Tress scum, eyes on Mish and Hall. 

 

 

By the way, the only two people who DIDN'T post before the Triggers were all met were Krak and Mish. Kronos even left Mish off his initial read-list too. 

 

That is all.

[berf]

And I can't see the pic, just to further ruin your day

[berf]

Hey that was post 222, my lucky number. It's all adding up

[hazelkrs1]

My my my Berf, what an awful post. Could you contradict yourself some more please?
 

The Cheerleading lynches thread is exactly why I put that train.gif and vote up Desp. You need to lighten up. Anyway - copy paste of my notes so far. Desp is doing something scum with each step he takes.

 

So you admit to trying to antagonize me. Okay.
 

My intention was to post the vote/train out and see what happens. I've been active on DM but avoiding this thread mostly to let it play it out.

 

So you also admit to lurking. Even better...
 

I was expecting Desp to flip out. I was expecting him town and to rail. Instead he is playing very cold and calculated, but attempting to soften with smileys and jokes and such. I wanted to shake the tree, the tree being desp, and have a look at what happens. Darthe came in, so did Peace. Both are smartasses like myself, and prolly bandwagoned to twist the knife a little after the emo threads going up lately and the collective responses to them.

 

How often have you played with me again? Right. You caught me at a bad time, plain and simple. I'm usually vocal, and fairly aggressive, but I was in a pretty big emofest thing lately. Not my usual playstyle at all.

I realized I was being petty and childish at times, and knew I needed to do a better job of reining in my emotions when playing. What you are seeing is both closer to how I normally play, and me trying to make a concerted effort to not get so prickly.
 

Anyway rambling. Case notes:
 
First inclination of Desp being scum was the vote on Tress. Opportunistic, target comes in and places a vote, but mostly agreeing with everyone else's thoughts, which is fair enough. But I read it as voting a team mate who has jumped in to start running interference, so he doesn't want to vote too hard, obviously.

 
This is entirely presumption on your part. How was my vote opportunistic? I was the only vote on her at the time, and the only one that seemed mildly suspicious of her was Darthe. Basically you're trying to find ways to paint me scummy with something, instead of actually giving justification for WHY this would make me scummy.
 

Says this:
 

"I do try acting a little scummy early in games as town to try and avoid NK's, but her mentioning that midgame could easily be an attempt to buddy to me or to gain town cred on my flip"

 
I hope I don't need to tell you what is wrong with this. "Please don't vote me if I appear mafia."

 

 
Did I ever say the bolded? NO. I understand the inherent risk in that strategy, I might sometimes be mislynched as town. But I'd rather risk possibly getting lynched, and my flip still helping town out, rather than getting NK'ed early all the time before I can even get a chance to get good reads and possibly nail some scum.

I also admit the other reason I do this is to partially cover my meta somewhat for when I'm scum, but that's a meta strategy, and you'll NEVER see me say "Guys! Don't lynch me! I'm always this scummy!"
 

 

"Berf: leaning slightly scum. His obvious bandwagon vote accompanied with the blatant cheerleading stuff seems a lot like an attempt to provoke me. Ever since the end of the Merlin mafia game he has had a hard on for trying to show up and contradict me."

 
For a start, I didn't bandwagon. I started the damn train. And it's hard not to be excited when you make such a perfect ass out of yourself every time And again, welcome to the joke. It's not about contradicting you, it's about you accepting all playstyles.

 

 


Are you serious? You're going to try and use Darthe's coding fail to act like you started the train on me? He voted for me in bold at 4:30. You voted for me almost three hours later. And the train pic itself was a reference to bandwagon cheerleading, which doesn't happen with ONE vote on someone. A train HAS to have more than one vote on it to be a train, plain and simple.

I don't really see a "joke" with what you did. It was a troll move, which some find funny in some circumstances, but in your case it just looked like you having a hard on for me. Why spend all that time contradicting me about the mass lynch thing? Why show up in my "emo threads" to troll me? There's no joke there man, that's just you acting like a jerk.
 

 

"Krak: leaning slightly scum. His "Oh you two..." comment seemed like it could a been scum enjoying hanging back and watching two townies bicker at each other."

 
Reaching. Why would mafia make such an easily twisted statement like that? Krak being Krak. Introducing a random target by the way. Krak hasn't been on the radar at all.

 

Reaching. It's day 1 bro. Just about anything early on is going to be reaching. And the other stuff after that is just plain wifom. Scum Krak isn't ever infallible, he proved that himself recently lol. "Mafia would never" are some of the dumbest statements in mafia. Once again, say it with me chorus, MAFIA WILL DO WHATEVER THEY CAN TO HELP THEM WIN. I've seen countless examples of mafia teams using counterintuitive strategies to win games.

Your soft defense of Krak, especially coupled with "He hasn't been on the radar at all", makes you an even better lynch. Gives us some info on Krak should you flip scum (which I am almost assured of after this post of yours).
 

 

"Kaylee: leaning town. Don't think she would have posted such an obvious fence-sitting post as scum."

Also at the top of the post Desp calls Darthe town. Darthe I can understand, but town reads this early are always alarm bells. For the people with them, I should clarify. 
 
For a start, this statement shows he is thinking about what mafia would and wouldn't do, yet calls Krak scum as above. Contradictory. Unthoughtful. 
 
Posts of a man at l-4 with a lot of time yet to go, and only one other viable target who may or may not be on mafia team (Tress).

 

 

This is just a mess right here. Everyone playing the game should be thinking about what mafia might or might not do. Your reasoning isn't the same as my own, and I found Krak's comment to be a possible sideline nudge of the thing between me and Darthe, which is slightly scummy in my book. Kaylee on the other hand, wasn't going for the subtle route. She pretty much outright said she was on the fence about us. I personally don't see scum Kaylee giving others that big of an opening on her.

Also, just attaching adjectives after your sentence accomplishes nothing. HOW is it contradictory. HOW is it unthoughtful?
 

More posts after Mish begs him to step from the ledge.
"I don't wanna die but there are worse targets so I am totally OK with it you guyz"
 
IE - "I'm totes town come rescue me" A little violin might as well be playing.

/shrug

I figured I owed it to the rest of town to try and fight my lynch harder. A couple of people successfully guilt tripped me enough to where I figured I should try and rededicate my efforts.
 

Then - Contradictory post about asking peeps to vote Tress. IE I don't want to start a train, but totally start a train.

 

I never said I didn't want to start a train. In fact, you must not be paying attention cause one of the first things I did once the game started was join Darthe on WBK. It's one thing to join trains, or start them, or w/e. The thing I am not a big fan of is antagonistic cheerleading of lynches (the "CHOO CHOO! type of comments). But w/e, if you really want to discuss that more, by all means try actually posting some arguments in the cheerleading lynches thread, instead of just trying to troll me.
 

Called out by Cindy, whom Desp has said nothing about. I also didn't notice any posts about Darthe, Kronos, or peace, and only kronos is not voting him at this point out of those three. Obviously doesn't want to draw in more players to his situation by provoking them into at least looking at him by mentioning them.

 

You kidding me here man?
 
Names bolded so you can see them easier:
 

I will say Darthe, you do seem to be jumping at shadows just a bit. Makes me wonder... you did try pretty hard to set off some of those triggers.... did you get a juicy mafia role?

  

Unvote, Vote Darthe for jumpiness and for reactionary voting. Fos'ing and voting everyone that comments is very antitown.
 
You see what I mean about giving yourself away as scum? 

 

I prob shoulda withdrawn from this game, but didn't want to cause Cindy is in this one. And then she barely posts once the game starts lol
 
Anyways yeah, lynch away. I'm vanilla town (wouldn't advise a spedlynch tho). For what it's worth, my vote and thinly veiled jab at Darthe was bait. It worked a while ago when he was scum. But he didn't backpedal, didn't waver at all. So I got a town read on him now.
 
Unvote
 
My reads will be coming in a bit

 

Tress I already mentioned Berf's wagoning and found it questionable. There's not much to say about Peace's wagon vote, since that's all he posted. You expect me to not question it when I see a situation where someone might be buddying to me or trying to gain town cred by defending me should I get lynched?

  

For the most part Cindy is pretty non-committal here, which actually fits her meta from the one game I've played with her (on JN, where she was town). But I don't like the way she links me and Tress in the bolded part.
 
Watchin teh kitteh for now

 
And as I mentioned already, there's not really much to say about Peace because he isn't really giving any true thoughts, he's content to vote me and continue lurking.
 
Yeah man, I think you might need your eyes checked.
 

I then comment saying my vote isn't moving.
 
Kronos comes in, votes me for JOINING the despo train. (Thought I started the despo train?)
 
Mish randoms and votes Tiinker. Hallie backs it up.
 
Both soft.
 
Desp then lists a few targets he has found to be buddying to him, and yet can see the chance of a train on me, switches to me. At this stage I have two game posts. One a joke train GIF, and the other confirming my suspicions of him.

 

A) You didn't truly start the train. Darthe did, but had a coding fail.
B) Hate to be a stickler, but you had three posts. One in between the other two where you talk about how awesome you are, nothing game related in it.
C) Not having many posts in the game doesn't make you clean, especially when you admit to lurking earlier.
 

So yeah. My vote is comfy.
 
Desp scum, Tress scum, eyes on Mish and Hall. 
 
 
By the way, the only two people who DIDN'T post before the Triggers were all met were Krak and Mish. Kronos even left Mish off his initial read-list too. 
 
That is all.

 
What's your point about the triggers thing? Are you saying Krak and Mish are likely scum because they couldnt hit any triggers? I thought you thought Krak was town?
 

And I can't see the pic, just to further ruin your day

 

Meh, it was a cartoon train chugging along. I can see it fine on my laptop, not on the phone however.

[hazelkrs1]

TL;DR: Berf admits to lurking, and comes out of the woodworks when a train finally starts building on him. He also admits to trying to antagonize me, which is either scummy play, or irresponsible townie play. He contradicts himself many times, tries to take credit for starting my train even tho Darthe was the first to fos or vote me, and has a sketchy memory for who I did or didn't mention. His case on me largely resides on him giving his own take on matters from his own notes instead of showing actual evidence from the thread or showing WHY something would be scummy, instead choosing to just state a reason why I might do something as scum.