August 9, 2013: CONCLUDED

[bgrishinko]

Just read the last 2 or the pages.

[peacesells]

I will NEVER reference One Direction!

 

*rages*

 

I was gonna use Fall-out Boy, but I actually like them, a good bit actually. Their new single is pretty meh tho.

 

@Peace: I find it slightly insulting that you think I was just summoning the first reaction possible to the stuff I posted. While I am a passionate player, I am not the most reactionary of one. I find you scummy now, I don't have to go write in my diary* and return to the thread and review stuff to think that.

 

 

*luckily I already wrote in the diary earlier tonight. Served!

 

May I present to you......NOLDER'S GAME.

[peacesells]

 

 

 

 

I dont trust nor do I want to encourage such a thing. So in response to it I will vote the person who does it. Besides its kinda hard to trust someone willing to lie to everyone just like that.

 

Same as what I just said to Nolder.  Do you read me as scum and why?  Or are you punishing behavior you don't agree with? 

 

Punishing behavior I dont agree with, but I because of this behavior you also jumped up on my scumdar

 

 

Ok..you are on record here with a punishment vote for a playstyle you don't agree with.   Why include the "but?"  Explain how my behavior is scummy.  Don't just call it scummy.  Don't be opportunistic....unless you are scum.

 

I explained how it was scummy before. This is a stupid move that I honestly dont think a player such as yourself, if you were town, would pull. You picked someone to almost die just to test for BS right after we had a whole other cop claim thing going in another thread AND after multiple other players have spoken about a recent game of theirs that was won by fake claiming cop. 

 

No I dont think Town peace would do a stupid stunt like this, but scum peace might just think it good enough to slip by, get some suspicion so he doesnt look squeaky clean and then start calling town players out for following a cop claim. Its a stupid move and I dont think your that stupid.

 

 

You think it is stupid?  You can qualify my play without seeing the results?  That's impressive.

 

So..smart town peace would never do what I did...but that means dumb scum peace would? 

[bgrishinko]

We can't qualify your results until we see a flip on you or Serra. Until then, people have every right to call the play stupid.

[peacesells]

We can't qualify your results until we see a flip on you or Serra. Until then, people have every right to call the play stupid.

 

 

That makes no sense.  Also, you can't qualify the results until several others flip as well.  Does this discussion drag up good reads on others later in the game?  Who knows.  It may or may not be a great play...but my fortune cookie says it was a clever one that will reap rewards. 

[peacesells]

So wish I had a day vig shot right now. 

[Pralaya]

What Peace did was unacceptable, but I dont think it says scum. My opinion is that we do not vote on him and actually try to vote our scum prospects.

Despo and BG's argument about Peace as a gambit works fine but I think it is too far-fetched. He would know that it would bring attention on him and that is the last thing that a mafia wants.

 

I still have my doubts over three people - Chuckles, Ishy and Tinker. 

 

When Peace calls out Serra , first ones to jump in are Ishy and tinker.

later when Peace flip his story, the first two to vote Peace are Ishy and Tinker. 

 

I am going with Tinker for this

 

vote Tinker

[dapianoplay3r]

Caught up on my break

ok peace. Hmm i could see him doing the like but as despo ppints oyt the timing is all wrong

doesnt feel right as many have said

 

 

unvote vote peace

Ill be bck tomorrow. Its sat night at a bar. I wont be fre again untill 4am and im not mafiaing then

[peacesells]

Caught up on my break

ok peace. Hmm i could see him doing the like but as despo ppints oyt the timing is all wrong

doesnt feel right as many have said

 

 

unvote vote peace

Ill be bck tomorrow. Its sat night at a bar. I wont be fre again untill 4am and im not mafiaing then

 

What does the bold mean?

[hazelkrs1]

 

I will NEVER reference One Direction!

 

*rages*

 

I was gonna use Fall-out Boy, but I actually like them, a good bit actually. Their new single is pretty meh tho.

 

@Peace: I find it slightly insulting that you think I was just summoning the first reaction possible to the stuff I posted. While I am a passionate player, I am not the most reactionary of one. I find you scummy now, I don't have to go write in my diary* and return to the thread and review stuff to think that.

 

 

*luckily I already wrote in the diary earlier tonight. Served!

So lynch em up, up, up. Lynch em up up up, he's a LIIIAAAR!

 

 

Ha!

 

That was clever

 

 

I will NEVER reference One Direction!

 

*rages*

 

I was gonna use Fall-out Boy, but I actually like them, a good bit actually. Their new single is pretty meh tho.

 

@Peace: I find it slightly insulting that you think I was just summoning the first reaction possible to the stuff I posted. While I am a passionate player, I am not the most reactionary of one. I find you scummy now, I don't have to go write in my diary* and return to the thread and review stuff to think that.

 

 

*luckily I already wrote in the diary earlier tonight. Served!

 

May I present to you......NOLDER'S GAME.

 

 

That was the exception, rather than the rule. Have you ever seen me meltdown like that before? That was the perfect storm of emo for me lol. And a lot, if not all of my gripes turned out to be legitimate. I just chose to go about expressing them in the wrong manner.

 

 

We can't qualify your results until we see a flip on you or Serra. Until then, people have every right to call the play stupid.

 

 

That makes no sense.  Also, you can't qualify the results until several others flip as well.  Does this discussion drag up good reads on others later in the game?  Who knows.  It may or may not be a great play...but my fortune cookie says it was a clever one that will reap rewards. 

 

 

This post sounds somewhat EP'ish...

 

"Eventually yall will see what a wonderful play it was!"

 

What Peace did was unacceptable, but I dont think it says scum. My opinion is that we do not vote on him and actually try to vote our scum prospects.

Despo and BG's argument about Peace as a gambit works fine but I think it is too far-fetched. He would know that it would bring attention on him and that is the last thing that a mafia wants.

 

I still have my doubts over three people - Chuckles, Ishy and Tinker. 

 

When Peace calls out Serra , first ones to jump in are Ishy and tinker.

later when Peace flip his story, the first two to vote Peace are Ishy and Tinker. 

 

I am going with Tinker for this

 

vote Tinker

 

I disagree with a few things here:

 

1. The thing you mentioned about Peace not doing so because of added attention is wifom. He could have pulled the gambit specifically BECAUSE people wouldn't think he'd needlessly expose himself for nothing.

 

After all, Peace did see scum Yates pull a similar move in a recent game, and in another game he claimed Doc with no suspicion and rode the "There's no way I'd draw attention to myself as scum" angle till endgame there. He WAS the Doc in that game, but that's my point: He could have obviously decided to try and use the play AGAIN, this time as scum however.

 

2. Assuming for a second that Peace was town, and if scum joined on the Serra train only to see Peace out his faked viewing, I doubt they would then try to go all confrontational with him. I could see them admonishing him, but going head to head and voting him? Tiinker's vote looks pretty townie to me because of this. Granted, their is some wifom in this example as well, but if mafia want to escape attention as much as possible, why put themselves more to the forefront with a vote on someone who is trying to use the "I would never expose myself so as scum" card?

 

3. Lastly, I think Ishy deserves attention for his interaction with Peace then Tiinker. Ishy "suddenly" realizing the play Peace was making, and backpedaling off of his vote, looks WAAAAY scummier than anything Tiinker has done recently. That little exchange gave me a much bigger scum reading on Ishy than I previously had.

[peacesells]

Not really the exception..you've been kinda emo across the board lately...but that wasn't my point.  My point is you have shown it possible.  And you still have no clue on how to read me..and you know it. 

 

1.  I haven't used the "i wouldn't do this as scum" argument.  That is definitely a Despo type play..not a Peace type play.  I just want people to think through their reasoning and not use bad logic when voting me.  Vote me...fine.  But use good logic.  I'm going to my best to make players voting me stand strong on firm ground.  Not just ride the wave.  If they are punishing me...I want that noted.  If they think I'm scum for my plat...state why my play makes me scum.  I'm not settling for someone saying it's bad play.  Town make bad plays all the time.  Why is it a scum play?  That's the big question.

 

2. That wifom you are introducing contradicts your first point.  Two sides of the same coin there Desp. 

 

3.  I agree...he backed off way too easy then blamed being drunk when he hadn't mentioned it before.  He almost always comes out with his Drunkmafia theme right away.  He is worth looking at.   Hallia as well.  I've already caught her in some very suspect reasoning.

[Mr. Ree]

Still reading through all these threads. serious post in the morning. It's 4am here.

[lolguy26]

Peace, what would you have done if serra flipped town?

[peacesells]

Peace, what would you have done if serra flipped town?

 

Explained myself and then taken my lumps. 

[lolguy26]

Right, and after all this, what are your reads?

[hazelkrs1]

Not really the exception..you've been kinda emo across the board lately...but that wasn't my point.  My point is you have shown it possible.  And you still have no clue on how to read me..and you know it. 

As I said, I'm a very passionate player. I was MUCH more reactionary in that game in particular. I've been called emo many times before and shrugged it off. That was the first time I felt it became a detriment to the enjoyment of the game, and also hampered my judgement enough to the point where I ended up not helping town get the win (as lopsided of a setup as it was).

 

And you're wrong in that I still have no clue how to read you. I read you as town in two straight games and was right, one in which I had to be very vocal in defending you or else you might have been lynched. Just because I'm seeing a possible gambit here doesn't mean I always think you're scummy. Your AtE is denied.

 

1.  I haven't used the "i wouldn't do this as scum" argument.  That is definitely a Despo type play..not a Peace type play.  I just want people to think through their reasoning and not use bad logic when voting me.  Vote me...fine.  But use good logic.  I'm going to my best to make players voting me stand strong on firm ground.  Not just ride the wave.  If they are punishing me...I want that noted.  If they think I'm scum for my plat...state why my play makes me scum.  I'm not settling for someone saying it's bad play.  Town make bad plays all the time.  Why is it a scum play?  That's the big question.

I most certainly do NOT use the "I wouldn't do this as scum" argument, and I've DEF seen you use it many times, albeit subtly, or when you were town and being honest. Also back off with all the disparaging remarks against me man, you seem like you're trying to rile me up in the hopes that I won't be able to nab you as effectively.

 

And I used pretty freaking good logic in showing why you could be scum. Instead of answering any of those points however, you're choosing to be vague and try to appeal to emotion with me. Making yourself look worse in my eyes, man.

 

2. That wifom you are introducing contradicts your first point.  Two sides of the same coin there Desp.

The wifom doesn't contradict my first point. Wifom is an inherent element in mafia, its waiting around every corner. The point is it can't be said that you can't be mafia cause it would be too obvious, just like it can't be said that mafia would definitely have voted you after you revealed your fake viewing. In a way it can be said that I showed both flip sides to the wifom coin.

 

3.  I agree...he backed off way too easy then blamed being drunk when he hadn't mentioned it before.  He almost always comes out with his Drunkmafia theme right away.  He is worth looking at.   Hallia as well.  I've already caught her in some very suspect reasoning.

At least we can agree on something regarding Ishy. I pretty much always find Hallia scummy, she hardly ever contributes actual game thoughts, and when she does they usually don't make any sense to me.

 

That last point is at least partially a step in the right direction for me. What are your reads on other players in the limelight recently? And what's your response to the points I made in my wot against you?

[peacesells]

I think I responded to everything but the EP part...and, you are kinda right.  It is kind of an EP move now that you pointed it out. 

 

1.  You have definitely used your own meta as explanation for play in the past.  I don't do that cause my play is erratic except for 1 thing that I'm not gonna reveal.   Ithi made me change my meta a long while ago...and I'm not sure anyone's caught on yet..so I'm not gonna expose it.

 

2.  I never said anything like you attributed me saying.  All I've done as ask people who have made vague or horrible logic fail accusations my way why their statements mean I'm scum.  I want explanations..not accusations.  Prove their points.  None I have asked have done so so far.  If you want to interpret that as me saying I wouldn't do that if I were scum...that's on you.  That in no way reflects my purpose.  Find a game where I've done that.

 

3.  Hally didn't start playing that way..it's a recent thing.  But I'm not giving passes to someone just because they are always lazy.  Ask chuckles how many times I've been out to lynch him. 

[lolguy26]

Hey! I'm getting better (I guess)

[Tiinker]

Unvote

Will have to read up and think about this. 

Can we get a VC?

[Niniel]

So, if I understand it right, you suspected Serra and pretended to have a cop viewing to see how he would react? What kind of reaction where you waiting for? What would be a bad reaction and what would be a good reaction? I think it´s strange that you unvoted him but still is suspicious of him. 

[peacesells]

So, if I understand it right, you suspected Serra and pretended to have a cop viewing to see how he would react? What kind of reaction where you waiting for? What would be a bad reaction and what would be a good reaction? I think it´s strange that you unvoted him but still is suspicious of him. 

 

Actually, I had a pretty strong scum read on him and expected him to get lynched and flip scum.  His response made me second guess my plan.

[hazelkrs1]

I think I responded to everything but the EP part...and, you are kinda right.  It is kind of an EP move now that you pointed it out. 

 

1.  You have definitely used your own meta as explanation for play in the past.  I don't do that cause my play is erratic except for 1 thing that I'm not gonna reveal.   Ithi made me change my meta a long while ago...and I'm not sure anyone's caught on yet..so I'm not gonna expose it.

 

2.  I never said anything like you attributed me saying.  All I've done as ask people who have made vague or horrible logic fail accusations my way why their statements mean I'm scum.  I want explanations..not accusations.  Prove their points.  None I have asked have done so so far.  If you want to interpret that as me saying I wouldn't do that if I were scum...that's on you.  That in no way reflects my purpose.  Find a game where I've done that.

 

3.  Hally didn't start playing that way..it's a recent thing.  But I'm not giving passes to someone just because they are always lazy.  Ask chuckles how many times I've been out to lynch him. 

 

I don't remember seeing responses to everything that I pointed out... will have to go back and check.

 

I don't remember ever saying "Don't worry guys, I'm always scummy!" I've referenced my own meta in the past, yes, but personally I don't find that overtly scummy. I am really curious what you changed about your meta now. I do remember it being a little different a while back, but can't put my finger on it. Grrr this is gonna bug me.

 

In my opinion, their accusations don't exactly require that much justification. You made a move which can be seen as easily anti-town, and which could be a gambit designed to help you gain town cred, to derail Chuckle's lynch, or to "clear" Serra. I think the onus is on YOU to put others at ease regarding your ruse.

 

Agreed on Chuckles. Sad that Hallia decided to devolve into a lurkier, spammier mafia player. Would be nice to see what she was like at the top of her form.

 

 

 

Also.... you seem to be buddying me somewhat. Still wary of you.

 

Could switch my vote to Chuckles tho.

[Niniel]

Okay. I have read todays pages now. First of all: you will not speak ill of Nirvana!

 

right so your case (on page 20)

 

consists on the fact that i wanted salami gone, pushed his train but i didnt vote for him, right?

 

now i said i didnt find salami scummy, i just found him distracting, so thats why i didnt vote him, i would have preferred to have him NK'd and instead focused elsewhere on D1

 

is that enough of an answer? 

 

Well, this has been commented on earlier. Who would night kill Csarmi?

 

Or you realized the cop didn't out themselves after your play and you would've been roasted next Day phase.

 

Yep, it looks like he is trying to out the cop.

 

That you stopped it early makes me lean slightly away, but to answer you, that fear would be mafia I'd say.  Getting someone lynched by saying 'xxx is scum' and for them to flip town is scummy.  

 

I quoted the wrong post here but Hallia makes a strange comment here. If he is mafia then he would already know if Serra is town. 

 

Just caught up real quick

 

Unvote, Vote Peace

 

I too smell a gambit. It's stupid to try and compare Verbal and Serra's reactions, for a multitude of reasons. 1) Serra could have seen Verb flip and knew there wasn't much he could do to prevent the lynch anyways since town would wagon on him no matter what 2) Verb and Serra are different people (from different sites) and will obviously react to situations differently

 

But most importantly something everyone seems to be ignoring 3) Verbal flipped VENGEFUL KILLER. Dude was trying to get lynched man, which is why he was acting all coy about it. Serra could be scum and not VK so wasn't trying the same move, or he could be and was acting flippant to try and get lynched, or he could have been town and being flippant.

 

Point is, nothing about his reaction differing from Peace's reaction should have been enough to placate Peace.

 

Another point is that it WAS antitown to fake a viewing after another viewing had just nailed scum, only to reveal the deception later and call everyone lemmings. What would you expect Peace?

 

I think Peace pulled this move as scum as an attempt to gain some town cred, which he basically did with Yates and Ishy, and possibly help derail Chuckle's lynch or make his teammate (Serra) look bad.

 

Agree with a lot in this post. What kind of reaction was he waiting for? He would hardly react like Verbal, who was vengeful killer. In the post above it sounds like Peace had a strong scum read on him so why not make a case instead of this kind of game?

 

What Peace did was unacceptable, but I dont think it says scum. My opinion is that we do not vote on him and actually try to vote our scum prospects.

Despo and BG's argument about Peace as a gambit works fine but I think it is too far-fetched. He would know that it would bring attention on him and that is the last thing that a mafia wants.

 

I still have my doubts over three people - Chuckles, Ishy and Tinker. 

 

When Peace calls out Serra , first ones to jump in are Ishy and tinker.

later when Peace flip his story, the first two to vote Peace are Ishy and Tinker. 

 

I am going with Tinker for this

 

vote Tinker

 

Tiinker has been willing to jump on Chuckles, Serra and Peace right away. It seems like he doesn´t matter where his vote is. Third party?

 

 

 

Vote Peace

[Tiinker]

I tried to VC myself but I'm retarded so I got 3 different numbers. Does someone know what it's at?

[peacesells]

Tina..you voted me without a reason.  Care to explain your thoughts on why my play is sign of scum? 

 

Basically all several of you are saying is "it could be a gambit."  Is that the best you got?

 

How exactly would this "gambit" play out?  What could possible be accomplished from it? 

 

Let's see.  Pull votes from a chuckles train and push them on Serra...except I stopped the Serra lynch.  Ok..now Chuckles is safe yet I'm on the hook.  Chuckles and I are scum partners in this scenario.  So yall who believe this is the case you are basically stating I'm willing to trade my life for chuckles and let Serra live?  If I'm scum and willing to trade lives...I let Serra die and flip town (if town) and take my lumps the next day.  At least a town player is taken with me. 

 

Ok..let's act like Serra is scum and I am scum.  My play takes heat off Chuckles and points it directly and me and Serra.  That's a wise play for any scum team to make (sarcasm).  That's a pretty effective ploy.  But wait..it's a gambit.  The QT is all about how "no way will they think we'd be so obvious."  But wait...Nolders game was just like that right? I'm not saying it isn't possible (anything is possible in a mafia game) but that is a bold move.

 

Or, maybe just I am scum and was trying to get Serra lynched cause I believe him to be a PR of some sort.  But..I pulled the rip cord and bailed out at the very ended hoping that I could save myself from looking bad...perhaps even gain some town cred.

 

That last scenario is the only legit gambit type play that could be going on here if I'm scum.  But I'm not.  I'm just a little teenage girl who likes social networking and talking with funny accents named Jannessee Linneaux.  Funny that Yates was calling me "she" in this thread.  Wonder what he knows??