Kingdom Hearts Mafia - Game 1 - Destiny Islands [Mafia Win!]

[Yates]

I'm not voting for him because I'm not convinced he's mafia. We have some time

I'm still waiting on a case from you, please.

[DPR]

 

I'll post more in a bit in response to what I see happening and players setting up meta, etc. But for now, I'm the Beloved Princess. 

That's post 265 ^^

 

This is post 303 vv

My thoughts up to this point:

 

My role claim is what it is - you can like it, dislike it, do whatever you want with it. I'll admit to knowing zilch about Kingdom Hearts, which I'm sure will come to light sooner or later, so no use in pretending otherwise.  

...

 

As for being accused of "fearmongering" ( I believe by Wombat) I pointed out the deadline because we need info. I'll tell you that from a Town perspective, it was a mistake to not lynch me - the Town needs info, and without it, we're going to lose. Missing any future lynches is a sure path to a Town loss.

 

I've tried to say all of this as flat as possible. It's just information. We need it to win.

This strikes me as a post about getting a lynch in IN GENERAL.  Though I see what you are getting at...

 

@DPR - WTF are you talking about?

 

 

This is frustrating - nobody is even reading posts anymore.

 

My point above, again, is that the Town cannot afford to let a day pass without a lynch. The only 100% confirmed info we get is from the mod upon death. Everything else is speculatory  to one degree or another.

 

I fight against my own lynch because I know that I'm Town and I know I'm a BP. Lynch me and the Town loses a member (meh at this point) and night lasts for two-cycles (not so great). It would be very un-Town of me to not fight against my lynch. And it would be weird...

 

Why is Yates the only one stating the obvious - I'm in the bag at this point and not going anywhere. You have my claim and it is such that I can't talk my way out of it. A cop can view me, likely already has, and to FEAR MONGER by implying that we don't have a cop, or that we have some ultra-convuluted situation is just scummy as hell.

 

There are others who have acted scummy. IMO, Despo has been the definition of scum. Darthe has played scummy, and Yates does make a logical case against Hallia.

 

Hopefully all of this makes sense. 

[bgrishinko]

Here's the deal. DPR hasn't really done that much despite the impressive size of his posts and number of posts. I didn't pull lots of quotes just some key ones.

 

 

 

Yo my shiznizzles. I like Night 0's. They basically take the place of a joke vote phase, and can sometimes contain more info when looked at in retrospect.

So who our are resident canon experts?

File this under DESPO IN MAFIA COVER MODE. heh

Don't give me away DPR! Our gambit is too obvious!

 

 

Dude, I was half joking because we were scum together in the last game and you got all weird on D1 - but your response to my above quote makes me genuinely wonder if I hit on something (i.e. whenever scum is outed, it's a pretty good idea to try and tangle them up with the old "gambit" ref. That way, when you flip scum, they get lynched next). I will literally LMAO if you've blown your cover on D1 again.

 

First he jokes with Despo, then when Despo jokes back, he attacks him over it and attempts to vote him for it later.

 

 

Darthe asked "What post seemed weird and out of nowhere?"

 

The posts below are what I'm saying are weird:

 

 

I wonder if I can get myself mod killed before Day one starts.

 

That would be cool, wouldn't it?

 

 

Nolder is a ******** *** that likes *** ******** **** in the *** * ** and ********* with ****** aunt jemima ************** **** mother.

 

 

* Your mother.

 

 

 

 

DPR, why is playing N0 a good idea? We can't vote or lynch at night, we had no previous gameplay to talk about, and for all we knew, the mafia could have been able to kill N0. Game-related night talk usually helps the mafia more than the town and I don't see why N0 should have been an exception.

Unless, that is, you are mafia and knew that you couldn't kill N0.

Also, Darthe is more likely to be mafia than Des imo. His gross sheeping of Des' crappy FoS on you was pungent.

Des, why were you ostensibly trying to encourage setup talk N0? That's pretty anti-town.

 

This is funny, actually. I just played a game on JN where I was Town. I got blind lynched on D1, led by Nolder (also Town) based on his case that I was "active lurking". I blew off the first time he accused me of that because it didn't even make sense to me - I figure the game is on, people need to post to start figuring out what's up. The idea of posting sparingly, or avoiding posting at night, never did make any sense to me. I'm more of a "dump all the information on the table and we'll sort it out" kinda player.

 

In the past, I've made arguments about spamming helping the mafia because it discourages people from sifting though posts to find something, and wandering off topic, generating pages of conversation that has nothing to do with the game isn't helping anyone. But I would argue that the idea of not posting game related content or not playing at night is arguable playing to the mafia's favor.

 

If we didn't have a time limit, we could afford to sit back and dissect things - always make a logical decision. But mafia is timed, and quite often, it's a slip that will give the mafia away.

 

Does all of that make sense?

 

In context to this game, Despo's post did genuinely ping me. Darthe's posts (now a collection of them) have also pinged me. It's a place to start, and by introducing it to the thread, a conversation is begun. Players will all give their opinion and have provided evidence of where they stand along with a voting record. I've never understood why somep layers view this as a negative, but I get that different people play in different ways.

 

That's my 2 cents.

 

 

Notices Darthe's odd posts, comments on them. Darthe doesn't disagree. That's the fun part.

 

 

At this point DPR basically talks at length back and forth with Wombat about the merits and non-merits of night talk. Wombat votes him for what looks like a potential slip from his point of view (wish I would have quoted that one).  This causes DPR to immediately OMGUS FoS back on Wombat. I know its OMGUS because he showed no disdain for Wombat as a player until Wombat voted him. Then he was 3rd on his list. He's followed that up more recently reinforcing Wombat isn't at the top oh his list, but still being watched.

 

 

 

 

 

And just because something is an opinion doesn't mean it's truth value is unknowable. I have come to my opinion through experience in successfully rolefishing and manipulating people who talk too much at night. You can WIFOM or deceive the mafia with night talk, but it's super risky. Most of the time it's best to shut up unless you really need to toss the dice.

 

Seriously, you can't see the forest because your head is stuck up your butt at this point. You read me as Town all last game when I actually was scum, and I'm getting the feeling you've got a little complex about it. Hmmm?

 

 

 

And I get the feeling that this is all a trumped up exchange to distance and sow confusion/suspicion in separate directions.

 

 

Ah ha - Krak pointed out that Tina "sheeped" me on my vote, but doesn't think that GF "shipping" Wombat's vote is any problem worth mentioning?

 

Then he wants to start shit with the above post (which I guess would be the 2nd gambit I'm running since the game started...damn I'm busy).

 

@ Krak - You posted after GF voted after Wombat. Why didn't you call that out for the same reason you called Tina out? 

 

 

Krak has a feeling its a trumped up exchange between DRP and Wombat, possibly gambit, at which point DPR's Eye of Sauron turns to Krak randomly.

 

 

 

 

^ interesting to me.

@Tiink,
I'm thrilled to be town again :p and in final fantasy no less!

@DPR, I get that my comments are odd, I've read that, but that doesn't make them scummy and you haven't explained that yet. Pure meta gaming seems contrived reasoning for a vote.

 

Not for nothin', but if all you're going to do is make weird posts, wtf good are you? And of course that makes them scummy - you admitting that your posts make no sense is an admission that you are intentionally spamming the board, creating distraction and confusion. If you were to, oh, I don't know, preface the whole bit with "I'm throwin' half a bottle of Makers Mark back tonight, so expect a ton of no-game related, offensive and sexually inappropriate posts", then at least we would know to expect it, and you've qualified it.

 

But you just act weird. Oh well.

 

 

Decides Darthe's weird posts are worth talking more about cause Darthe brings up the criticism. Calls him weird, says "Oh well" implying that the Weird posts mean nothing to him at this point.

 

Seriously, this is ridiculous - talking about Darthe's nonsense at all is just creating more shit for people to read and catch-up on when they get back. 

 

A few posts later, says talking about Darthe's weird posts hurts the game by clouding it up with irrelevant talk then votes Darthe over what he just "Oh well"-ed about earlier..

 

 

@DPR GFY I wouldn't play any specific counter intuitive way without a reason. You can debate whether it is a good reason or not later.

Also, pitifully un-townie IMO to both push lynching me and advocate that people not talk about my
Play.

I'm satisfied to a point that Tina's vote and subsequent obtuseness in not responding was done in an effort to draw people out/get the game in motion.

Currently I agree with Darthe about DPR e. Why discourage talking about Darthe and his play if you want to lynch him for it?

 

Darthe finds it odd that DPR is voting him while encouraging people not to listen. I agree with him.

 

Some time goes by and when DPR returns he claims Beloved Princess because a lot of votes started to pile up. Later he returns and  there's a lot of rapid posts fighting to stay alive before deadline and he succeeds. No Lynch. After lynch he shares:

 

 

 

My thoughts up to this point:

 

My role claim is what it is - you can like it, dislike it, do whatever you want with it. I'll admit to knowing zilch about Kingdom Hearts, which I'm sure will come to light sooner or later, so no use in pretending otherwise.  

 

I've been pretty vocal about talking at night. That's on record. I like things that are on record - it makes it really hard for a player to spin later if something comes back to bite them on the ass. Great way to catch scum.

 

I'll take another stab at explaining my feelings on the differences I see between making comments and making cases. 

 

1. As anyone goes through the game, they'll see things that they find scummy and things that will strike them as town. I like to make comments about these things - it puts 'em on record. It also is a way to highlight something that others might have missed, which I always appreciate when i have to do a quick read-through, etc. it's like a little note to throw in a file...

I especially like ot do this on D1 when there is no confirmed info to go on. Our only advantage is to get people talking, get them on record, and hold them to what they say. 

 

But, taking notes is not casing or voting. 

 

Specifically, I did not vote Wombat. I never had any intention of voting him. I'll antagonize him to no end because I know where he cracks, but to be fair, he was giving the same back - and for the same reason. I'm wary of him right now and he's on my suspect list, but below others. 

 

Also, because it has been mentioned a few times - my switch to vote Darthe was for exactly the reason I said it was. His posts have been of little to no game value and mostly consist of discussing other's play without any real analysis of motive, which is to say that he gossips a lot and then admits to making pointless posts while claiming that he has a reason. He's pulled this at JN a few times and it has been a complete disaster for whatever side he was playing on. At the time I voted him, there wasn't a train with more than three votes, so I figured other's might be interested in seeing him go as well. I stand by my vote. 

 

As for being accused of "fearmongering" ( I believe by Wombat) I pointed out the deadline because we need info. I'll tell you that from a Town perspective, it was a mistake to not lynch me - the Town needs info, and without it, we're going to lose. Missing any future lynches is a sure path to a Town loss.

 

I've tried to say all of this as flat as possible. It's just information. We need it to win.

 

I'll address the emo stuff in my next post... 

 

...and we'll ignore the emo stuff in the next post.

 

So DPR defends his actions and stands by them. In a later post he says he's contributed to the game and Darthe has not. Well, if DPR is scum, Darthe has contributed a lot where as the work DPR has done hasn't amounted to much but looks good on post length and count. Despo back and forth and Krak back and forth really served no end, Wombat back and forth was 90% opinion talk about night talk. Wombat's vote wasn't for the opinion on night, but for a use of language that could be interpreted as a slip. His vote on Darthe is basically saying "Darthe's posts are weird and dog gone it, I'm going to vote him for it"

 

 

Then later in this post he has the gall to say it was in the Town's best interest to lynch him yesterday. Then why fight to live so much?!?!?! No info was gained! *headdesk* 

 

Die already.  

[Hallia]

Told ya I'm onmobile at work for another hour

[bgrishinko]

And DPR ninja'd me about my last point of fighting to stay alive then saying it was un-town to not kill him.

 

I still think those statements are contradictory and you cannot claim it is an untown move for you to not have been killed when you fought it hard. The flip side of what you are saying is that preventing your lynch at the last minute yesterday is decidedly un-town. I can understand you fighting up till there is hope of swinging a lynch somewhere else, but that was not happening. So working to prevent your own lynch yesterday made sense up to a certain time frame. Then it just became a game of survival at the end.

[bgrishinko]

Good town does not play to survive. They play to help their team win.

[DPR]

 

 

DPR stated this in the first night. His train has been the only legitimate one of the day. Town can it readily move past this issue without creating serious issues down the road and that is proven by the past two days worth if voting on DPR. Is role is irrelevant to that simple fact, and really is only relevant to the consequences of his life and death if we assume that he is telling the truth.

Wait. Was this before or after claiming Princess?

I don't quite understand what you're asking for here. DPR was at L-2 (or maybe 1?) because of his play and he claimed. He had been pushing for flimsy reasons and condemned Tina for reaction testing like we thought he was doing then the situation spiraled into back and forth between him and the people he attacked/who attacked him. His claim got an unvote from one or two people and they refused (with the exception of cloud) to get back on it before the deadline passed.

 

Hope that answered your question.

 

 

This is completely inaccurate. You already accused me of defending Tina. Your stepping on your dong here.

 

Also, because BG's post above takes a lot of liberties in painting a picture of me as well - D1 is all about rattling cages and making people flinch. Trying to make anything more out of it is pointless without info to compare it against.  

[Darthe]

Why do I get the feeling that if this wasn't DPR he would be dead three times over already?

 

Hally, you aren't making sense. If you are town you should want to help the town. Your death directly hurts the town. Thus, ima you or him scenario you should choose him.

 

Unless you would like to explore a third option or claim another negative utility role ^.-

[Darthe]

 

 

 

DPR stated this in the first night. His train has been the only legitimate one of the day. Town can it readily move past this issue without creating serious issues down the road and that is proven by the past two days worth if voting on DPR. Is role is irrelevant to that simple fact, and really is only relevant to the consequences of his life and death if we assume that he is telling the truth.

 

Wait. Was this before or after claiming Princess?

I don't quite understand what you're asking for here. DPR was at L-2 (or maybe 1?) because of his play and he claimed. He had been pushing for flimsy reasons and condemned Tina for reaction testing like we thought he was doing then the situation spiraled into back and forth between him and the people he attacked/who attacked him. His claim got an unvote from one or two people and they refused (with the exception of cloud) to get back on it before the deadline passed.

Hope that answered your question.

 

This is completely inaccurate. You already accused me of defending Tina. Your stepping on your dong here.

 

Also, because BG's post above takes a lot of liberties in painting a picture of me as well - D1 is all about rattling cages and making people flinch. Trying to make anything more out of it is pointless without info to compare it against.

Lol I would be thrilled if I could step on it. The Tina statement is not inaccurate as you are one of the people who pushed her. Further, if you care about getting info then why are you still fighting the towns best chance of achieving a lynch for a second day in a row?

[DPR]

And DPR ninja'd me about my last point of fighting to stay alive then saying it was un-town to not kill him.

 

I still think those statements are contradictory and you cannot claim it is an untown move for you to not have been killed when you fought it hard. The flip side of what you are saying is that preventing your lynch at the last minute yesterday is decidedly un-town. I can understand you fighting up till there is hope of swinging a lynch somewhere else, but that was not happening. So working to prevent your own lynch yesterday made sense up to a certain time frame. Then it just became a game of survival at the end.

 

This is just flat wrong. PLEASE PAY ATTENTION:

 

1. The Town has to lynch someone to get info - failing to do that yesterday was a mistake.

2. ANY GOOD TOWN will fight to not be lynched because it only helps the mafia.

 

This is stupid. I have no idea WTF game you people are playing but you have completely ceased to use logic.

 

Good town does not play to survive. They play to help their team win.

 

Which is what I'm doing. Get Darthe's ass out of your face and smell the mafia.

[bgrishinko]

Liberties need to be taken because scum lies, so if I take things at face value, I'll be wrong every time. Its mafia, gotta read between the lines. As you said, low total facts currently. Once more facts are in the open we can make more concrete links. All the better reason for you to have died yesterday. Our only fact is that Wombat is dead.

 

Also, if you truly were beloved princess, you'd know that sacrificing yourself with a final vote yesterday was the only town move. You die, no Day 2, and no lynch. You live, Day 1 is basically one long N0 with no Day 1. Same difference.

[DPR]

 

 

 

 

DPR stated this in the first night. His train has been the only legitimate one of the day. Town can it readily move past this issue without creating serious issues down the road and that is proven by the past two days worth if voting on DPR. Is role is irrelevant to that simple fact, and really is only relevant to the consequences of his life and death if we assume that he is telling the truth.

Wait. Was this before or after claiming Princess?

I don't quite understand what you're asking for here. DPR was at L-2 (or maybe 1?) because of his play and he claimed. He had been pushing for flimsy reasons and condemned Tina for reaction testing like we thought he was doing then the situation spiraled into back and forth between him and the people he attacked/who attacked him. His claim got an unvote from one or two people and they refused (with the exception of cloud) to get back on it before the deadline passed.

Hope that answered your question.

 

This is completely inaccurate. You already accused me of defending Tina. Your stepping on your dong here.

 

Also, because BG's post above takes a lot of liberties in painting a picture of me as well - D1 is all about rattling cages and making people flinch. Trying to make anything more out of it is pointless without info to compare it against.

Lol I would be thrilled if I could step on it. The Tina statement is not inaccurate as you are one of the people who pushed her. Further, if you care about getting info then why are you still fighting the towns best chance of achieving a lynch for a second day in a row?

 

 

Your just lying at this point - unbelievable. 

 

Seriously, this is just getting weird. I'm getting the feeling that the mafia knows more about my role than I do  - does that play into the theme at all.

 

Making shit up, openly lying and pushing so hard for a lynch doesn't even make sense and you're really pouring it on here like you need for me to get lynched.

[bgrishinko]

 

And DPR ninja'd me about my last point of fighting to stay alive then saying it was un-town to not kill him.

 

I still think those statements are contradictory and you cannot claim it is an untown move for you to not have been killed when you fought it hard. The flip side of what you are saying is that preventing your lynch at the last minute yesterday is decidedly un-town. I can understand you fighting up till there is hope of swinging a lynch somewhere else, but that was not happening. So working to prevent your own lynch yesterday made sense up to a certain time frame. Then it just became a game of survival at the end.

 

This is just flat wrong. PLEASE PAY ATTENTION:

 

1. The Town has to lynch someone to get info - failing to do that yesterday was a mistake.

2. ANY GOOD TOWN will fight to not be lynched because it only helps the mafia.

 

This is stupid. I have no idea WTF game you people are playing but you have completely ceased to use logic.

 

Good town does not play to survive. They play to help their team win.

 

Which is what I'm doing. Get Darthe's ass out of your face and smell the mafia.

 

 

False. Plenty of good reasons to not fight a lynch. You are an enabler for a scum role, you are a miller, your death functions equivilent to your life. If you live, we lose D1 info and go into Day 2 without it. If you had died (and are telling the truth), we lose day 2.  

 

So what's worse for town?

 

1. Lose 1 day with no info

2. Lose 1 day with info

 

I see you chose option 1.

[DPR]

Liberties need to be taken because scum lies, so if I take things at face value, I'll be wrong every time. Its mafia, gotta read between the lines. As you said, low total facts currently. Once more facts are in the open we can make more concrete links. All the better reason for you to have died yesterday. Our only fact is that Wombat is dead.

 

Also, if you truly were beloved princess, you'd know that sacrificing yourself with a final vote yesterday was the only town move. You die, no Day 2, and no lynch. You live, Day 1 is basically one long N0 with no Day 1. Same difference.

 

Dude, we are playing two completely different games. I have no idea what you are even talking about - WTF do you mean no lynch? 

 

I die and the Mafia gets to kill more people faster without the Town being allowed to react to it. Period. You don't even make sense. 

 

I'm out for a while.

[Darthe]

If you want to help the town vote yourself. It's our best choice. As BG said, you whabe wasted an extra day by not hammering on D1. That wasn't a townie act, it was self preservation. I'm not going to let people give in on this then watch you slip by to Lylo and flip mafia or win the game when I know I can prevent it now.

[DPR]

 

 

And DPR ninja'd me about my last point of fighting to stay alive then saying it was un-town to not kill him.

 

I still think those statements are contradictory and you cannot claim it is an untown move for you to not have been killed when you fought it hard. The flip side of what you are saying is that preventing your lynch at the last minute yesterday is decidedly un-town. I can understand you fighting up till there is hope of swinging a lynch somewhere else, but that was not happening. So working to prevent your own lynch yesterday made sense up to a certain time frame. Then it just became a game of survival at the end.

 

This is just flat wrong. PLEASE PAY ATTENTION:

 

1. The Town has to lynch someone to get info - failing to do that yesterday was a mistake.

2. ANY GOOD TOWN will fight to not be lynched because it only helps the mafia.

 

This is stupid. I have no idea WTF game you people are playing but you have completely ceased to use logic. Fuck.

 

Good town does not play to survive. They play to help their team win.

 

Which is what I'm doing. Get Darthe's ass out of your face and smell the mafia.

 

 

False. Plenty of good reasons to not fight a lynch. You are an enabler for a scum role, you are a miller, your death functions equivilent to your life. If you live, we lose D1 info and go into Day 2 without it. If you had died (and are telling the truth), we lose day 2.  

 

So what's worse for town?

 

1. Lose 1 day with no info

2. Lose 1 day with info

 

I see you chose option 1.

 

 

IF I KNOW I"M TOWN AND THE MAFIA GETS DOUBLE KILLS, ITS WORTH IT FOR ME TO LIVE AND BE INVESTIGATED.

 

Seriously, y'all try not hurt yourselves on sharp objects while I'm out.

[DPR]

If you want to help the town vote yourself. It's our best choice. As BG said, you whabe wasted an extra day by not hammering on D1. That wasn't a townie act, it was self preservation. I'm not going to let people give in on this then watch you slip by to Lylo and flip mafia or win the game when I know I can prevent it now.

 

DIAF

[bgrishinko]

I can understand fighting right now, there's still hours to go. I can understand fighting earlier yesterday, still many hours to go.

 

But explain to me why it was in town's best interest to not self vote 5-10 minutes before deadline yesterday? How in any way did that help town? Day 1 was a wash with no info and mafia gets a free kill. We are still down 1 day phase.

 

If you are telling the truth and you'd died at least WE'D KNOW THAT, the mafia gets a free kill and we are down 1 day phase. I'm not about to just let is slide and then let the cop come out and some point and tell me whether you were telling the truth or not. NA's are all anciliarry to the core game of hunting scum. They are tools, not crutches.

[Darthe]

^ not killing anyone because of his claim literally had the exact same effect as if we lynched him and his ability was real and today got skipped. If he is telling the truth then it was a very poor play and will cost us later.

 

Mish would have hammered him, calling BS, if it was the truth. It directly helped her team with no consequences to her, yet withholding the hammer cost her her life.

 

This is so obvious.

[Darthe]

@Wombat, I miss you. Replace TG please?

[Niniel]

Going to sleep. Hope to see DPR dead when I wake up. 

[Darthe]

He is definitely frustrated. That's not really a tell here, I think anyone would be in his position.

 

Always hate when people act like emotion is a tell.

[Tiinker]

Because I'm a friggin Miller, that's why >.< 

LOL

 

THIS AGAIN.

 

Vote Mish

[Tiinker]

K. When I posted it said that we were on page 21 not page 33. Reading up then.

[_CLOUD]

Ok so I'm finally caught up again.

First off, Unvote. Vote Hallia

She didn't vote for Mish and acted as if she didn't know what was going on. I find that highly suspicious as she is a good enough player to be able to understand that Yates made up a fake result to see how Mish would react. Afterwards she was buddying up to him on post #443. I'm not buying it. Later on her vote for Peace after Verbal's post just seems oppurtunistic, and then after a page or two she switches her vote to DPR for no apparent reason which she doesn't believe to be scummy anymore.

 

Verbal also wasn't sure about Mish, but his explanations made more sense to me even though he was getting pretty defensive even after people unvoted from him. If he were mafia he could have just gone with the crowd and vote for Mish to gain town cred, but he stood around and waited for some better reactions from Mish who then got herself modkilled.

 

 

 

Getting yourself purposely mk'd... I can give you my opinion about that too after the game.

Mish probably knew who is mafia and she didn't vote DPR yesterday so I'm keeping my vote where it is.

When I pulled my gambit I assumed DPR was going to be the lynch. But that would have been too easy with him getting to L-1 yesterday. My feeling on the matter is that scum would be bussing the crap out of DPR if he was in fact scum. So I just happened to pick Mish as the last person to vote prior to my claim [along with her lame "sorry I didn't vote, I was confused" excuse].

With Mish flipping scum, Beloved Princess may actually be in the game. If I were scum, I wouldn't have killed DPR either. Not only did he get to L-1, which makes anyone easy mislynch bait the following day, but there is a BENEFIT to scum letting him get mislynched [skip a day phase] vs killing him [just a kill].

Plus, no investigative role has come out and called DPR scum. Think about that for a second. If you were an investigator, who would you have investigated last night? If it wasn't DPR, you were doing it wrong.

I'm not one to help scum gain an advantage.

I'm feeling the Hallia lynch. Why aren't you?

 

Yates above post made a lot of sense to me and I really like his playstyle so far. I have a town read on him.
 

 

 

I'd say a mafia member would be better. Still think peace is scummy

 

So why do you think Peace is scummy? Your vote on Peace was opportunistic and it seems to me you just voted for him to get out of trouble.

 

 

Damn I wish I had an ISO button. @Verb, why don't we have an ISO button?

So much this ^^^
 
Also, I love on the other site how you can highlight text and if you hit quote, only the text that is highlighted is quoted.
 
Also also, maybe it's because I'm a newb but I can't figure out how to make quotes work if I write this in notepad first [which I like to do for my multiquote responses].
 
 

Also: the logic for not lunging DPR is atrocious.

The logic PRESENTED is atrocious?  Ok, but he's Town.  Why are you unwilling to accept that option?
 
 

Unfortunately, even if DPR is town his power will become more hazardous for us the further we go into the game.

The reason is threefold:

1) no mafia worth their salt would kill someone so controversial.
2) the longer the mafia has to plan for his death the more influential and meaningful they can make their kills.
3) the only benefit to his role is extra PR uses of their abilities and the longer we wait the more likely it is that those PRs will be compromised or killed, nullifying their use.

1. Precisely.  So why wouldn't you want a Townie that scum "can't" kill?
2. How so?
3. You are forgetting the negative utility aspect.  We have two nights in a row.  There is some debate on this but IN GENERAL night favors scum.  This is compounded by a lack of wagon analysis due to the lost day.  PLUS - there is 2x the chance we lose a PR before a useful piece of information can be bread crumbed or outed.
 
 

Further, Yates, you made a point that a cop would have viewed him and revealed In this instance. This simply isn't true for a multitude of reasons.

1) the cop could have chosen to not use a view on someone already so likely to die.
2) DPR could have an ability like Nexus or godfather (example) if he is mafia
3) Roleblokers etc
4) dumb cop
5) no standard cop

1. Possible.  But unlikely to remain the case given this conversation, yes?
2. Also possible, though far less likely.  I'm at a bit of a disadvantage here in that I don't know flavor so I can't say if a GF role would make sense.
3. This is in an even lower probability range.
4. Even a dumb cop would be picking up what I'm laying down at this point.
5. Are you arguing that we have NO investigative role?  I'm obviously saying "cop" as a catch all.
 
Overall, I'd say point 2 is your best point.  And it's not great.  I would challenge the notion that you think this isn't "Town Yates" play.  You've been my mod before.  You know how I play the angles.  If DPR is scum, it WILL be confirmed by tomorrow.  I would sig bet on that if it were allowed.  If we lynch a Princess?  That is way worse then letting a scum slip by for an extra day.  Like... way WAY worse.

 

 

Good post.

 

 

 

I'll post more in a bit in response to what I see happening and players setting up meta, etc. But for now, I'm the Beloved Princess.

That's post 265 ^^
 
This is post 303 vv

My thoughts up to this point:
 
My role claim is what it is - you can like it, dislike it, do whatever you want with it. I'll admit to knowing zilch about Kingdom Hearts, which I'm sure will come to light sooner or later, so no use in pretending otherwise.  
...
 
As for being accused of "fearmongering" ( I believe by Wombat) I pointed out the deadline because we need info. I'll tell you that from a Town perspective, it was a mistake to not lynch me - the Town needs info, and without it, we're going to lose. Missing any future lynches is a sure path to a Town loss.
 
I've tried to say all of this as flat as possible. It's just information. We need it to win.

This strikes me as a post about getting a lynch in IN GENERAL.  Though I see what you are getting at...
 
@DPR - WTF are you talking about?

 

 
This is frustrating - nobody is even reading posts anymore.
 
My point above, again, is that the Town cannot afford to let a day pass without a lynch. The only 100% confirmed info we get is from the mod upon death. Everything else is speculatory  to one degree or another.
 
I fight against my own lynch because I know that I'm Town and I know I'm a BP. Lynch me and the Town loses a member (meh at this point) and night lasts for two-cycles (not so great). It would be very un-Town of me to not fight against my lynch. And it would be weird...
 
Why is Yates the only one stating the obvious - I'm in the bag at this point and not going anywhere. You have my claim and it is such that I can't talk my way out of it. A cop can view me, likely already has, and to FEAR MONGER by implying that we don't have a cop, or that we have some ultra-convuluted situation is just scummy as hell.
 
There are others who have acted scummy. IMO, Despo has been the definition of scum. Darthe has played scummy, and Yates does make a logical case against Hallia.
 
Hopefully all of this makes sense.

 

I can agree with the things DPR has said in his recent posts, and I think lynching him now would be a stupid move. A Cop can view him (if he already didn't) and that would be a lot safer than risking having two Nights in a row imo.