Kingdom Hearts Mafia - Game 1 - Destiny Islands [Mafia Win!]

[Hallia]

[WWWwombat]

I'm the RoboCop and my scumhunting subroutines say DPR is mafia. Book it.

[hazelkrs1]

Okay, just caught up. Something really quick before I go into a couple of rants:

 

@Wombat: I said what I said to lay a trap. You know me better than most and that I have a strong dislike for setup talk early in a game as town, and a secret love while showing public hate for it as mafia. I was seeing if any scummies would fall for an easy trap. Didn't get any takers /shrug

 

Okay, Nolder, I was going to be polite about this at first, but after seeing your responses, I must say you have set town up for complete failure. If you plan on having 24 hour deadlines, for day 1's even, then I won't be joining anymore of these retarded kingdom of hearts games. It's frakking stupid. Day 1's are waaaay too important to town to set such a ridiculously short deadline, and you're COMPLETELY disregarding the players who are on different time lines. You know I mainly post at night. Well guess what, I have like 6 hours till deadline or some crap like that, so I basically have no choice but to join the highest train. Thanks for stripping me of all chance of trying to case someone successfully and try to convince others to vote them.

 

It seems like you let your recent feelings about how mafia should be played affect how you decided to set this game up. It's going to blow up in your face, and after waiting literally months for these games to come out I'm greatly disappointed that you would screw them over this bad when we finally get to play them. I'm seriously considering asking for a replacement, and telling you to GDIAF for eternity. WHy do such a douchey thing to your players, and then act like a jerk when they comment on it? I am disappoint Nolderp.

 

Okay second rant. DPR, I wish I had never ended up playing in a game with you. I always had tons of fun in your games when you modded; you were widely considered the best mod on DM. As a player however, you sir are a douche and a half. Your like the least favorite parts of several players I know all rolled up into one d-bag. Quit being such a pompous arrogant clown man. Try some humility, it might taste funny at first but it sure does go down smooth in the long run.

 

Funny thing is, I actually agree with you on the night talk thing. I think there's an inherent risk at talking at night, but those who strongly discourage it do so because they assume people will always have short term memories about such things. Mafia can kill someone to stop a case or create wifom whether the talk in question came from day or night. They're counting on people to have knee-jerk reactions if they kill someone just because they said something at night. If someone talks at night and is then killed, I don't automatically assume they were killed because of what they said that night. I like to consider all reasons mafia might have had for choosing that target.

 

So the risk isn't really that great in general. The reward can be very great however. I've spent many night phases looking back over at how the day played out, only to rethink my views on a player or think of something completely different that I felt town should know about. Keeping it to myself until daytime comes just means that info could never see the light of day. What if that info was relevatory? What if what I said wasn't even that big a deal, but it caused someone else to think about something that DID end up being a huge deal? Imo own zipping it's lips at night hurts town because it prevents such interchanges from happening. Additionally, I think everyone keeping quiet at night possibly gives mafia a chance to continue staying out of the limelight. How often have you seen someone come out right after a lynch to say "Oh man, I would hve voted so and so too, yall guys did it without me! Oh well it's night so I can't talk anymore" and then they end up flipping SCUM. I hate mafia getting that pass to shut up at night. No one should be able to keep from having to answer questions at any point of the game. Night phase, Day phase, Twilight, whatever. Info is info. Being able to keep from responding only gives that person more time or opportunities to respond in a different manner at some other time.

 

Anyhoo, your whole manner about going at Wombat was crappy man. Quit being a tool and play like you're not God's green gift to Man.

[hazelkrs1]

Okay so all that out of my system, as far as actual gameplay, well there's a lot I'd like to say, but what's the freaking point? Deadline is coming up soon so anything I say will pretty much go out the window soon anyways.

 

DPR could easily be scum tho imo. His waffling over whether or not he was casing or fos'ing Wombat pisses me off. He was obviously pushing Wombat, and used language which made it seem like he was fos'ing him many times. For him to backpedal off that is uberscummy. And his trumping up of others responses as scummy was also lame. Trying to turn a molehill into a mountain imo.

 

Vote DPR

 

I don't like Tina either. But w/e I have to start audit and any reasons I gavce would be dismissed as OMGUS anyways.

 

If I feel like it later I'll add more.

[Hallia]

You raise a good point there Despo; I know the deadline's coming up, but I get up at 6am pst, which is one hour after the deadline; I have to crash, and so I know I'll miss most of the important stuff.

[WWWwombat]

I figured as much with the setup thing Des, but I wanted to make sure.

[WWWwombat]

You raise a good point there Despo; I know the deadline's coming up, but I get up at 6am pst, which is one hour after the deadline; I have to crash, and so I know I'll miss most of the important stuff.

All the important stuff for D1 has already happened imo.

[Darthe]

Playing devils advocate Des (since I agree with most of your points, if not your presentation).

 

We could have some hidden mechanic that affects the game in such a way that having 1 day deadlines does not prohibit effective gameplay.  After all, unless you die your cases are not dependent on time.

 

Why should deadlines invalidate your words?  Mafia play, spam, and time can do so but not stating them certainly will.

 

DPR's play could be a ruse to get the game going and while lynching him for it is certainly okay, blessing him out and attacking his humility seems both unnecessary and hypocritical.   Unless you consider yourself an arbiter of truth and methodology your opinion can be given less forcefully.

 

MafiaScum doesn't allow talking at night whatsoever.  Literally the thread is locked.  Do you know how many times I have died after getting a free day to reread and discovering something that I could never bring to light?  Night talk is not inherently bad or good, the way people treat it here is horrible.  As if you can say anything and are immune to the repercussions of it once day starts.

[Darthe]

 

You have probably just caused Tina's downfall due to her being closer to lynch and all of it is based on a poor summation of the game.  Worse, everything you said was a redundant point already made and analyzed by others.  This is how you choose to respond?

[WWWwombat]

Actually, Des is the Prophet of Truth. You can be the Arbiter. I'm Cortana. DPR is Gravemind and I'm gonna kill'im!

[Darthe]

Lol, but Truth was a bad guy and I don't think Des is this time.

 

Shoot Nolder?

[Darthe]

Actually, Des is the Prophet of Truth. You can be the Arbiter. I'm Cortana. DPR is Gravemind and I'm gonna kill'im!

 

Also, kinky.

[WWWwombat]

Des is always a bad guy.

 

And I'm the hottest AI construct this side of Caprica.

[WWWwombat]

Anyway, time to hibernate.

[Nolder]

Voting

 

Darthe - DPR (1)
Tiinker - Tina (1)
Tina - Peace, Krak, Tiinker, Hallia (4)

DPR - Wombat, GF, Darthe, WBK, BG, Des (6)
 
Not Voting: Cloud, Mish, Yates, Verbal, Player
 
With 17 alive it takes 10 to lynch.

[Darthe]

Oh shat.  Didn't realize that DPR was closer to lynch than Tina.

 

I reascend part of my scathing attitude directed at Hally.

[dapianoplay3r]

My phones almost dead but i managed to catch up vote Dpr

[dapianoplay3r]

Right thoughts

ill have to reread but that was a slog (especiallu cos.i had to click back manually first)

 

Tina not so flash. If we had more time id try vote her first

dpr is interesting. I smell a gambit bettween him and darthe potentially. Ill have to look in more detail when i have net but thats the feels i got

darthe as above. His im town post really irked me. Sounded fake

 

as for all the arguing. Dont have time to wade in now

 

hopefully that posts

[Nolder]

Voting

 

Darthe - DPR (1)

Tiinker - Tina (1)
Tina - Peace, Krak, Tiinker, Hallia (4)

DPR - Wombat, GF, Darthe, WBK, BG, Des, Player (7)
 
Not Voting: Cloud, Mish, Yates, Verbal
 
With 17 alive it takes 10 to lynch.

[Nolder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE6xXugQz3Q

[Tiinker]

Rofl at Des. What you've just posted is far more insulting and crude than anything I've seen a player post in a while. If you hadn't taken your time to be such an uptight ass about missing out on your oh so special D1 then maybe you'd have actually written out your thoughts. Unless you for some reason think they'd be useless in later days. Jesus, chill. There are more days and you have no idea on how they're going to be set up.

[Tiinker]

4 hours till DL right?

[hazelkrs1]

Playing devils advocate Des (since I agree with most of your points, if not your presentation).

 

We could have some hidden mechanic that affects the game in such a way that having 1 day deadlines does not prohibit effective gameplay.  After all, unless you die your cases are not dependent on time.

 

Why should deadlines invalidate your words?  Mafia play, spam, and time can do so but not stating them certainly will.

 

DPR's play could be a ruse to get the game going and while lynching him for it is certainly okay, blessing him out and attacking his humility seems both unnecessary and hypocritical.   Unless you consider yourself an arbiter of truth and methodology your opinion can be given less forcefully.

 

MafiaScum doesn't allow talking at night whatsoever.  Literally the thread is locked.  Do you know how many times I have died after getting a free day to reread and discovering something that I could never bring to light?  Night talk is not inherently bad or good, the way people treat it here is horrible.  As if you can say anything and are immune to the repercussions of it once day starts.

 

Early deadlines don't invalidate my words, but they make them irrelevant. I could make the case to end all cases with my first post of Day 1, but with the deadline being hours away peeps will just go "Meh, I guess, but... consolidation."

 

Of course I could have said what I said less forcefully. But I have a feeling DPR is like Mynd in that everyone always bows to his way of playing and lets him get away with his arrogance. So perhaps he needs a swift kick in the trousers every now and then. I mean, he said Wombat was an idiot, and besides the fact that he went personal first, come on, that's obviously not true. Wombat can be many things, obtuse and stubborn and too cool for school, but I've never seen him actually be idiotic. Frankly I don't like the kind of discussions in which any differing opinion is called down as moronic or idiotic. People can disagree without one of them automatically being retarded. I felt DPR was acting that way, and I saw him act similar in a diff game.

 

It's one thing to lock threads at night. Then the mechanics themselves don't allow for people to respond to one another. But I don't like people being able to hide behind a smokescreen of night talk being automatically bad for town.

 

Also, does MS allow mafia teams to talk during the day? I know some mafia websites don't allow that, they can only talk at night. This is similar to how mafia is played irl, obv everyone can't "talk" at night, because it would be too obvious which teammates were winking and nudging at eachother while trying to choose a target lol.

 

 

 

You have probably just caused Tina's downfall due to her being closer to lynch and all of it is based on a poor summation of the game.  Worse, everything you said was a redundant point already made and analyzed by others.  This is how you choose to respond?

 

 

You say that like Tina's downfal would def hurt town. How do you know her downfall wouldn't be cause for celebration? You know something we don't?

 

Actually, Des is the Prophet of Truth. You can be the Arbiter. I'm Cortana. DPR is Gravemind and I'm gonna kill'im!

 

I thought you were referencing this, but I didn't see Prophet of Truth on there. Which means I can only assume you meant this:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORTo_EW3N_Y

 

 

Darthe, should I be scared?

 

 

Des is always a bad guy.

 

And I'm the hottest AI construct this side of Caprica.

 

 

Rofl at Des. What you've just posted is far more insulting and crude than anything I've seen a player post in a while. If you hadn't taken your time to be such an uptight ass about missing out on your oh so special D1 then maybe you'd have actually written out your thoughts. Unless you for some reason think they'd be useless in later days. Jesus, chill. There are more days and you have no idea on how they're going to be set up.

 

I actually did write out some of my thoughts, and planned on returning later to add more.

 

It would actually be worse in a way if other days had longer deadlines but day 1 was jipped like it was. As I said before, day 1 is extremely important for town. You need to gather as much info as possible there, because it sets the template and pace for the rest of the game. Have a crappy day 1, and it's prob gonna be a crappy game.

 

I like the recent trend I've seen on DM lately where day 1 is lengthened even longer than normal. I like a good week, if it covers the weekend, or at least 4 days if it's in the middle of the week. It's a little bit more challenging if you're mafia, but the tradeoff is that you get more opportunities to hopefully uncover town PR's.

 

Fact is, Nolder implementing a deadline this early says one thing: He thinks all players should play like how he thinks they should play.

 

He's not allowing for many different types of play styles here. He apparently wants people who check in early and often, and who are willing to speedlynch and run people up to a noose because "the deadline yall!" I think it's pretty awful for a mod to set up a game which discourages certain playstyles. Myself, I like having the extra time at night to collect all my thoughts, do proper research, create wot-cases, etc. 1 day deadlines basically don't allow for that kind of play. At best, my thoughts would be ignored. At worst, people would fos or lynch me for "distracting from so-and-so's lynch", or overexplaining my vote, etc. He wants a bunch of Nolders to be playing. I think this is awful for a mod to do something like that. They should create a game where anyone can play comfortably, without feeling forced to jump out of their own skin just to keep up and contribute towards a lynch

[WWWwombat]

I don't mind what Nolder is doing. I'm pretty sure he thought it out more than you think, Des.

 

24 hours is a bit extreme imo but Nolder is well aware of DM meta and I don't think he'd ruin a game to make a point when he could make the same point without ruining the game.

[hazelkrs1]

As for other game thoughts of mine:

 

I didn't like Krak and BG spamming today (that whole pillow talk crap, and posting en espanol), when time was so precious, and any distraction hurt town many times more than usual.

 

Darthe seems to be emulating EP more and more with every game. Being proud of odd, erratic play? He also seems to be buddying up to a few diff people (myself included).

 

What I didn't like about Tina, was that she changed her stance on her vote. First when she was responding to WBK, she was much more evasive and cryptic about everything. Then she later said that with a short deadline, there needed to be votes on someone (which I could totally see, that seemed more reasonable than most her responses). THEN she says her vote was to judge reactions. Changing her story on her vote so many times is scumtastic.

 

WBK might have been trying too hard to look like a responsible townie... verdict hasn't come in yet on him tho.

 

BG was egging on the Tina/WBK thing, while also being very fence-sittingy. Me no like.

 

Was just doing another reread btw, and something stood out: DPR initially fos'd Wombat for pointing out Tina's bandwagon vote, when I never saw Wombat really comment until he made te "equivocal comments" comment. The DPR goes back and says he got it wrong, that Krak was the first to point it out. But this is also wrong, for anyone that was paying attention, WBK was pretty obviously the first one to call it out, and the first one to push Tina on it. If DPR went back to check, how did he still miss this? Covering for a teammate perhaps?

 

@Cloud: LAFO=Lynch And Find Out

 

Speaking of Cloud, he flip flops. First he questions Tina's vote on me, then later lauds it as a good move, saying that it generated a lot of conversation

 

Tiinker got a bit defensive with the one vote on him from Tina... but I did find it funny that Tina later explains that his vote was bad because it was "jumping on an easy bandwagon". LAWLS. And your vote on me wasn't Tina?

 

Alright, that's all I got. Didn't mean for this to turn into a full reread/recap but oh well hehe. Summary:

 

DPR: Seems like he was trumping up cases. The waffling on whether or not he was casing Wombat was lame. Also possibly had that slip.

Tina: Flip flopped on her reasons for her vote on me

Darthe: proud of playing "odd", and has buddied up to a few players, notably me and Tina.

Cloud/Tink/BG: putting them all in this group, they all seemed to want to egg on the Tina/WBK thing but each kind of flip flopped or fence-sat in their own way. Pretty sure there's a good chance at least one of them is scum.