Underworld Mafia [Basic] - Game Over. TOWN WINS!

[dapianoplay3r]

I'm sorry ithi but I have no way to verify that, and even though I'm 90% sure you are telling the truth I'm not risking a doc on that

This is one thing where I take a stand

 

I know it sucks but it's the lessor of two evils

[Turin Turambar]

Ithi you could be lying about being eve

That's the point of why I think we should lynch you

If you flip eve then cloud is obviously lying and therefore is not the doc

 

If we lynvh him and he flips eve and the doc then you are lying and have successfully got the doc lynched

 

I'd rather risk you as eve, the vanilla

But since AJ came in and backed up Ithi's claim then that would be two mafia sacrificed for a Doc that would have to self protect all game. It just doesn't make any sense.  

[peacesells]

Logically what Dap says makes sense.  In fact, it's text book game play. 

 

Ithi, you are getting awfully emotional about this.  Very unusual for you.  It's obvious your blood is pumping considering you were heading to bed awhile ago yet still posting.   Seems a bit strange and loses you credibility.

 

I'm gonna think a bit before I vote.

[Ithillian Turambar]

The Doc would NOT be eve. Read the bloody wiki on the Corvinas guy. The one on the boat. Unless you WANT to be played for a fool.

 

Good grief.

 

I give up. I think you are not buddying me for another reason.

 

You want me dead.

[Ithillian Turambar]

It's 1am.

 

I founded a Mafia.

 

He claimed my character and is pretending to be a doc.

 

Damn right I'm emotional. I have proper proof for once and I'm the one who is gonna get killed. And its a bit crap yes.

 

Because all the sorrys in the world isn't going to make this right once you have killed me.

[dapianoplay3r]

 

Ithi you could be lying about being eve

That's the point of why I think we should lynch you

If you flip eve then cloud is obviously lying and therefore is not the doc

If we lynvh him and he flips eve and the doc then you are lying and have successfully got the doc lynched

I'd rather risk you as eve, the vanilla

 

But since AJ came in and backed up Ithi's claim then that would be two mafia sacrificed for a Doc that would have to self protect all game. It just doesn't make any sense.

All he did was claim another key character that was vanilla?

That doesn't verify anything to me. Like I said RTE may if chosen to make random people PRs rather than lead characters so character claims won't break the game

And in a basic game there are normally 2 or 3 PRs

So we have one lead (eve) claiming a PR (clouds claim. Ithi claims VT but for the sake of the argument cloud will be treated as the true one)

One claiming VT (AJ)

And one unknown (if they are a PR it fits within basic game lore)

 

So at this point leads can still be PRs, or they might not be

That's a null tell for me and I don't want to potentially lynch a doc on that

 

 

Also thank you peace

[peacesells]

It's 1am.

 

I founded a Mafia.

 

He claimed my character and is pretending to be a doc.

 

Damn right I'm emotional. I have proper proof for once and I'm the one who is gonna get killed. And its a bit crap yes.

 

Because all the sorrys in the world isn't going to make this right once you have killed me.

 

Cloud is l-1 and you have 1 vote.  you are over reacting.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Dap is going to push for my Lynch whilst I'm sleeping and I won't be here to stop it.

 

And I'm really tired.

 

And quite fed up. He chose the wrong character to fake. He really did. I thought ah-ha! Now I've got you.

 

Just goes to show about counting chickens.

 

He's not eve. And if he is not eve then he's a proven liar. He is mafia.

 

I think I have two votes btw. Cloud and Dap.

[Turin Turambar]

Logically what Dap says makes sense.  In fact, it's text book game play. 

 

Ithi, you are getting awfully emotional about this.  Very unusual for you.  It's obvious your blood is pumping considering you were heading to bed awhile ago yet still posting.   Seems a bit strange and loses you credibility.

 

I'm gonna think a bit before I vote.

Again Peace goes against anyone that wants cloud lynched. that is three different times that he is going whoa whoa whoa

 

This is a basic game. If a mafia were going to claim to try to stop a lynch they are going to claim a role. That means Doc or Cop. He was unfortunate enough to claim a character of someone that was active at the same time. Ithi cc'ed and claimed Eve is Vanilla. Andrej has since come out and claimed Michael also as VT. Would you consider Michael more important than Eve? I would.  Also the Doc role makes the most sense for the old guy on the boat. Cloud's story doesn't make sense and his play has been awful. Ithi's version is backed up by another player. Sometimes you have to do what makes sense. Not because it is what the gameplay guide tells you to do.

[dapianoplay3r]

The Doc would NOT be eve. Read the bloody wiki on the Corvinas guy. The one on the boat. Unless you WANT to be played for a fool.

Good grief.

I give up. I think you are not buddying me for another reason.

You want me dead.

There is also someone called Olivia (on Eve's wiki I found the link) who is listed as a vampire Doc. They could be the doc just as easily

 

Anyway the fact is it could be some completely random character that has a PR. There has been a lot of talk on DM recently about character claims breaking games. Could easily of influenced RTEs modding decisions

 

I am not being fooled. Im making the most logical play and so far am being basically the only person not to get all emotional about these claims

 

I do not want you dead. If you hadn't of CC I would of left you both alive today. The fact you claimed means verification is needed and I'm not risking a PR for that.

This has nothing to do with play anymore. Simple logic

 

If I was going by play and emotion I would lynch cloud. But this is mafia, if I let emotion and play rule I could be easily "fooled" as you say in games and in future games

I will not compromise that cos I like you and your play and this a claimed doc is lying

[Darthe]

Suit yourselves. This game is going to be difficult without a Doc you know. And Micheal not having a PR doesn't mean anything. I think that Selene is the Cop, and the rest are more or less VT's.

A real doc would be happy in this scenario. This is going to catch Ithi as mafia if she is.

Dap, your play here is moronic. Everyone has powers, it's vampires vs warewolfs. Trusting a claim over play is terrible as an idea in general, and further he has been CC'd. Thus since he is closer to lynch it would make no sense for Ithi to counter claim as mafia (they don't want to trade 1 for 1) and further we would lynch both anyways so why the turnaround?

 

Lastly, I'm glad the mod has decided to screw with character claims some. I tip my hat to you.

[peacesells]

 

Logically what Dap says makes sense.  In fact, it's text book game play. 

 

Ithi, you are getting awfully emotional about this.  Very unusual for you.  It's obvious your blood is pumping considering you were heading to bed awhile ago yet still posting.   Seems a bit strange and loses you credibility.

 

I'm gonna think a bit before I vote.

Again Peace goes against anyone that wants cloud lynched. that is three different times that he is going whoa whoa whoa

 

This is a basic game. If a mafia were going to claim to try to stop a lynch they are going to claim a role. That means Doc or Cop. He was unfortunate enough to claim a character of someone that was active at the same time. Ithi cc'ed and claimed Eve is Vanilla. Andrej has since come out and claimed Michael also as VT. Would you consider Michael more important than Eve? I would.  Also the Doc role makes the most sense for the old guy on the boat. Cloud's story doesn't make sense and his play has been awful. Ithi's version is backed up by another player. Sometimes you have to do what makes sense. Not because it is what the gameplay guide tells you to do.

 

 

 

I agree...that's why I'm thinking on it. 

 

Basically it comes down to this.  Would Ithi as a scum player value killing the doc enough to sacrifice herself?  I personally wouldn't if I were scum but opinions differ. 

 

So..again, I'm thinking this through.

[dapianoplay3r]

Dap is going to push for my Lynch whilst I'm sleeping and I won't be here to stop it.

And I'm really tired.

And quite fed up. He chose the wrong character to fake. He really did. I thought ah-ha! Now I've got you.

Just goes to show about counting chickens.

He's not eve. And if he is not eve then he's a proven liar. He is mafia.

I think I have two votes btw. Cloud and Dap.

 

I agree. If he's not eve he is mafia

I don't have your role PM so I can't know that he isn't eve

 

Try get my lynched for this if you want ithi but I am not mafia and will not change my stance on this, especially on D1

 

I'm sorry that it has to be you but this is for the greater good

If I was in your position I'd advocate lynching myself

 

 

 

Logically what Dap says makes sense.  In fact, it's text book game play. 

 

Ithi, you are getting awfully emotional about this.  Very unusual for you.  It's obvious your blood is pumping considering you were heading to bed awhile ago yet still posting.   Seems a bit strange and loses you credibility.

 

I'm gonna think a bit before I vote.

 

Again Peace goes against anyone that wants cloud lynched. that is three different times that he is going whoa whoa whoa

 

This is a basic game. If a mafia were going to claim to try to stop a lynch they are going to claim a role. That means Doc or Cop. He was unfortunate enough to claim a character of someone that was active at the same time. Ithi cc'ed and claimed Eve is Vanilla. Andrej has since come out and claimed Michael also as VT. Would you consider Michael more important than Eve? I would.  Also the Doc role makes the most sense for the old guy on the boat. Cloud's story doesn't make sense and his play has been awful. Ithi's version is backed up by another player. Sometimes you have to do what makes sense. Not because it is what the gameplay guide tells you to do.

You keep saying its backed up but it's not. It could be completely random as to who is a PR

[dapianoplay3r]

 

Suit yourselves. This game is going to be difficult without a Doc you know. And Micheal not having a PR doesn't mean anything. I think that Selene is the Cop, and the rest are more or less VT's.

A real doc would be happy in this scenario. This is going to catch Ithi as mafia if she is.

Dap, your play here is moronic. Everyone has powers, it's vampires vs warewolfs. Trusting a claim over play is terrible as an idea in general, and further he has been CC'd. Thus since he is closer to lynch it would make no sense for Ithi to counter claim as mafia (they don't want to trade 1 for 1) and further we would lynch both anyways so why the turnaround?

Lastly, I'm glad the mod has decided to screw with character claims some. I tip my hat to you.

I stand by my decision. You don't need my vote to get a lynch and I will take no part

[Ithillian Turambar]

NoLbe self scarifice not My thinG. That mafia style rubbiSh.

 

YOu want save a maFi a you do It yourself am noT gone help you.

[Andrej]

I would advice you guys to stop for a moment and think. 

 

Who would you guys sooner believe? 

 

There is NO way that Eve is a VT, and Ithi is just trying to get rid of the Doc by sacrificing herself.

 

 

Unvote, Vote Ithi

 

I believe Ithi.

 

 

I am Michael and I am VT.

 

The reason that I claimed was because of Cloud's post above. I have seen other players try to appeal to the 'logic' of the Town to really think when they claim or CC based on the flavor of the theme or typical usage of roles. Peace, you actually did this in my first game where you CC'd Turin's claim as Vig because he had a day shot. Cloud argues that he MUST be a PR because he is Eve. This obviously isn't the case because I am Michael and a VT.

 

 

 

Ithi you could be lying about being eve

That's the point of why I think we should lynch you

If you flip eve then cloud is obviously lying and therefore is not the doc

If we lynvh him and he flips eve and the doc then you are lying and have successfully got the doc lynched

I'd rather risk you as eve, the vanilla

But since AJ came in and backed up Ithi's claim then that would be two mafia sacrificed for a Doc that would have to self protect all game. It just doesn't make any sense.

All he did was claim another key character that was vanilla?

That doesn't verify anything to me. Like I said RTE may if chosen to make random people PRs rather than lead characters so character claims won't break the game

And in a basic game there are normally 2 or 3 PRs

So we have one lead (eve) claiming a PR (clouds claim. Ithi claims VT but for the sake of the argument cloud will be treated as the true one)

One claiming VT (AJ)

And one unknown (if they are a PR it fits within basic game lore)

 

So at this point leads can still be PRs, or they might not be

That's a null tell for me and I don't want to potentially lynch a doc on that

 

 

Also thank you peace

 

 

I understand where you are getting at with this, but it also counters Cloud's original plea that he MUST be the Doc because he was Eve. With a random set up that doesn't make a lot of sense. Sure, there's some odds that he'd land that role with that character but what are really the chances? RTE could've very well intentionally left the lead characters as VT to prevent a game breaking with character claims.

[peacesells]

Ithi..what is your opinion of Turin's play so far? 

[peacesells]

Aj,

 

Cloud didn't have your information when he claimed.  Your logic isn't true to the time line.

[Andrej]

Aj,

 

Cloud didn't have your information when he claimed.  Your logic isn't true to the time line.

 

This is true. I am looking at the sequence of events though, in context to his argument. He claims Doc as Eve. Ithi CC's as VT Eve and then he appeals that he MUST be Doc because of his character.

 

I claimed to show that character obviously has no correlation with role. If Eve must be a PR as he states, why wouldn't I be as well?

[Ithillian Turambar]

I Been to buSy watchin. Cloud not really nOticE anyone else cos Cloud just So obvios ME.

 

Turin. Him AlwaYs budDy Me. Regardles. I have ignore him. PreteNd him nOt plAy almoSt. As Game Goes on pay more atenTon if we both living. Normal he die early Cos good logiC. Mafia nO likE him.

 

HE not likE kill me - so if me also live more chance him mafia. But that not work till later.

 

Am crosS And tired. ObvioSly am agree with his posts bout clOus. Cloud not Eve. Him mAybe thought she not in game cos actly is a bit minoR not turn up til final filM and stuffs. I wanted fake Claim watcheR cos of fancy eye seing memory thing with michael and selEn and then rermber is basic game boo

[Turin Turambar]

I agree with Darthe here.

 

 

Suit yourselves. This game is going to be difficult without a Doc you know. And Micheal not having a PR doesn't mean anything. I think that Selene is the Cop, and the rest are more or less VT's.

A real doc would be happy in this scenario. This is going to catch Ithi as mafia if she is.
Dap, your play here is moronic. Everyone has powers, it's vampires vs warewolfs. Trusting a claim over play is terrible as an idea in general, and further he has been CC'd. Thus since he is closer to lynch it would make no sense for Ithi to counter claim as mafia (they don't want to trade 1 for 1) and further we would lynch both anyways so why the turnaround?

Lastly, I'm glad the mod has decided to screw with character claims some. I tip my hat to you.

 

BOLDING: If you add the AJ claim then mafia would be sacrificing two for one. Cause If cloud flipped town(unlikely imo), then Ithi and AJ are both getting lynched. Tell me it isn't going to happen. You know it will. Mafia are usually the first to jump off a lynch train with a Doc claim. They do not want the attention that comes with it. It simply does not make any sense for Ithi to cc as mafia. mafia would be more likely to unvote immediately and look for another target. There are still what more than 3 days to deadline?

 

Fine Dap can keep his hands clean.

Peace can think about it. Ask his mafia team if it is time to bus Cloud.

[peacesells]

Turin, you seem more interested in painting me into a corner than determining my alignment.  You are pinging very hard right now.

[peacesells]

Also, in reference to your comment on Darthe's post.  I don't think mafia ever trade 1 for 1 with a VT.  But with a doc...maybe.  That's the whole contention here.  Do we believe that Ithi would do that?  I know I wouldn't on Day 1.  Maybe day 3 with a full team of scum alive. 

[Darthe]

They can't afford to.  Unless they find the cop they would end up doing so twice and diminish their ability to control the game.  That only works with a few gambits, all rare in this scenario.  If I was cop I would view Ithi just to be sure, but I leave that for the cop to decide.

[Turin Turambar]

Turin, you seem more interested in painting me into a corner than determining my alignment.  You are pinging very hard right now.

 

I think Cloud is mafia. You seem to be taking every opportunity to give him the benefit of the doubt. It doesn't make sense to me why you would do this if you are town.

 

I'm not going to just ask you if your mafia cause you are not Rand.