Merlin Mafia [Advanced!]- Town Wins!!!

[Kaylee]

Any reason for that vote Darthe?

[Kaylee]

Wombat: I'm not sure who to vote for atm. I'll have more time tomorrow to look through.

[Kaylee]

To add to that: yes I'm interested in why people vote. Maybe they saw something I didn't. Or, maybe they're being lazy with their vote. By knowing the reason I get a better feel for them.

[lolguy26]

 

wombat your confusing me, do you mind if people vote around without justifying it or not?

 

I don't mind unexplained votes in principle.  That being said, they should be used sparingly.

 

 

ok thanks 

[lolguy26]

To add to that: yes I'm interested in why people vote. Maybe they saw something I didn't. Or, maybe they're being lazy with their vote. By knowing the reason I get a better feel for them.

 

and i agree with this line of reasoning 

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

Tiink's weird formatting probably came from copypasting a quote of himself.

I can see that. Someone was lynched in a previous game, I think it was Tina, for formating and she turned out to be town. Not saying that's a case, but that shouldn't be the sole reason for a vote.

 

...wich is why no-one is voting just because of that? I pointed it out, so that it could be noted, but no-one voted Tiink just over formatting.

 

You don't have to vote on a particular issue to look scummy, just by casually bringing it up and letting others run with it is actually far scummier in fact.

 

The fact is, I've never liked the formatting thing. It seems a dirty pool way to try and find scum, it almost NEVER works (the weird formatting is almost ALWAYS due to some harmless c/p from a previous page or something), and it mainly just serves as a distraction. The fact that you brought it up, if you were serious about it apparently, is def scummy. Looks like you trying to nudge a witchhunt without getting your hands too dirty.

 

I do agree with you about Thorum setting up lynches however.

 

Wasn't saying anyone had voted based on the formating. I was pointing out that the formatting thing could be wrong. That's all. I have no vote because I didn't place a joke vote and am in no rush to vote.

 

Why is the presumption that only people who joke vote or are in a rush to vote should be voting? Voting is really the only true way to get the game going, to try and apply pressure, to try and get reads on others, or to let others know your reads so as to help broadcast your alignment (if town).

 

Just face it, you're not voting atm because too much has been built up about you not voting, so you don't want to vote unless you have obvious reason to do so. Like I've said a few times already, you're playing way too carefully. Scummily too.

 

 

That wasn't my premise.  It was one I inferred from Tiinker's posts.  But if you want to use your premise, I can show the absurdity of that too:

 

 

By your definition, a joke vote is tautologically justified and therefore no joke vote at any point in the game can ever be unjustified.

 

 

Your premise also raises the question as to why joke votes should be self-justifying but unexplained votes should not.

You're severely oversimplifying things by leaving context out of discussion when context is crucial. I doubt you really believe that I think a joke vote at RVS is the same as a joke vote on D4. However, I'm not going to write a 3 page essay that takes into consideration context in every possible situation in order to appease this fruitless discussion.

 

 

Bolded emphasis mine. That's the second time you ended a post about the joke vote discussion with a "I shall no longer embroil myself into the fruitless discussion with you" type sentence. Why did you even bring it back up then? And then respond to Wombat about it several times? I don't like you acting like you're so above getting into silly discussions when that's EXACTLY what you were doing.

 

FOS.

 

I don't understand why it would be considered scummy to not involve yourself in the Day 1, joke voting. I understand that scum hides behind these joke votes to seriously push to have someone lynched. I also understand that after about the 3rd or 4th page it shouldn't even be considered joke voting anymore. But again, no engaging in pointless votes = scummy?

 

Not voting doesn't mean you aren't involving yourself in pointless votes. I've seen plenty of people that are MORE than worthy of voting for, unfortunately I only get one vote otherwise I would have dropped more.

 

Holding back your vote implies a reserved type of play, and some play more reserved as scum to try and not draw attention.

 

 

And yes, perhaps I should have said RVS joke votes, redundant as that is, but I assumed it would be understood.

RVS is a useless concept and allows scum to hide while delaying actual gameplay. As far as I'm concerned, if I never heard the phrases "RVS" or "joke vote" again, it wouldn't be soon enough.

 

 

 

Home from work. Brain dead. Ready for a beer.

 

Womby...I've missed you! 

 

Interesting debate. But I am in no hurry to vote as we have no deadline. 

 

GAH why do so many people keep repeating this sentiment! Why should the lack of a deadline have anything to do with not voting?!

 

POLICY LYNCH ON THE NEXT PERSON TO SAY THEY'RE NOT IN A RUSH TO VOTE.

 

SERIOUSLY.

 

Any reason for that vote Darthe?

 

So lemme get this straight- Thorum votes Kaylee for somewhat hazy reasons, and Mish comes to Kaylee's rescue and attacks Thorum for the vote.

 

Darthe votes for Mish for even hazier reasons (so hazy they haven't even been cleared from the obfuscation that is Darthe's mind), and Kaylee rushes to Mish's defense and asks for reasons behind the vote.

 

Wtf yall? If yall aren't masons, then yall are scummy scummy teammates, plain and simple. Coming out defending anyone early day 1 when alignments are unknown to town is sketchy, but not being suspicious of said defense whatsoever and coming to THEIR defense? That's just bad play, or the play of Scummanese twins.

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

Tiink's weird formatting probably came from copypasting a quote of himself.

I can see that. Someone was lynched in a previous game, I think it was Tina, for formating and she turned out to be town. Not saying that's a case, but that shouldn't be the sole reason for a vote.

 

...wich is why no-one is voting just because of that? I pointed it out, so that it could be noted, but no-one voted Tiink just over formatting.

 

You don't have to vote on a particular issue to look scummy, just by casually bringing it up and letting others run with it is actually far scummier in fact.

 

The fact is, I've never liked the formatting thing. It seems a dirty pool way to try and find scum, it almost NEVER works (the weird formatting is almost ALWAYS due to some harmless c/p from a previous page or something), and it mainly just serves as a distraction. The fact that you brought it up, if you were serious about it apparently, is def scummy. Looks like you trying to nudge a witchhunt without getting your hands too dirty.

 

I do agree with you about Thorum setting up lynches however.

 

Wasn't saying anyone had voted based on the formating. I was pointing out that the formatting thing could be wrong. That's all. I have no vote because I didn't place a joke vote and am in no rush to vote.

 

Why is the presumption that only people who joke vote or are in a rush to vote should be voting? Voting is really the only true way to get the game going, to try and apply pressure, to try and get reads on others, or to let others know your reads so as to help broadcast your alignment (if town).

 

Just face it, you're not voting atm because too much has been built up about you not voting, so you don't want to vote unless you have obvious reason to do so. Like I've said a few times already, you're playing way too carefully. Scummily too.

 

 

That wasn't my premise.  It was one I inferred from Tiinker's posts.  But if you want to use your premise, I can show the absurdity of that too:
 
 
By your definition, a joke vote is tautologically justified and therefore no joke vote at any point in the game can ever be unjustified.
 
 
Your premise also raises the question as to why joke votes should be self-justifying but unexplained votes should not.

You're severely oversimplifying things by leaving context out of discussion when context is crucial. I doubt you really believe that I think a joke vote at RVS is the same as a joke vote on D4. However, I'm not going to write a 3 page essay that takes into consideration context in every possible situation in order to appease this fruitless discussion.

 

 

Bolded emphasis mine. That's the second time you ended a post about the joke vote discussion with a "I shall no longer embroil myself into the fruitless discussion with you" type sentence. Why did you even bring it back up then? And then respond to Wombat about it several times? I don't like you acting like you're so above getting into silly discussions when that's EXACTLY what you were doing.

 

FOS.

 

I don't understand why it would be considered scummy to not involve yourself in the Day 1, joke voting. I understand that scum hides behind these joke votes to seriously push to have someone lynched. I also understand that after about the 3rd or 4th page it shouldn't even be considered joke voting anymore. But again, no engaging in pointless votes = scummy?

 

Not voting doesn't mean you aren't involving yourself in pointless votes. I've seen plenty of people that are MORE than worthy of voting for, unfortunately I only get one vote otherwise I would have dropped more.

 

Holding back your vote implies a reserved type of play, and some play more reserved as scum to try and not draw attention.

 

 

And yes, perhaps I should have said RVS joke votes, redundant as that is, but I assumed it would be understood.

RVS is a useless concept and allows scum to hide while delaying actual gameplay. As far as I'm concerned, if I never heard the phrases "RVS" or "joke vote" again, it wouldn't be soon enough.

 

 

 

Home from work. Brain dead. Ready for a beer.

 

Womby...I've missed you! 

 

Interesting debate. But I am in no hurry to vote as we have no deadline. 

 

GAH why do so many people keep repeating this sentiment! Why should the lack of a deadline have anything to do with not voting?!

 

POLICY LYNCH ON THE NEXT PERSON TO SAY THEY'RE NOT IN A RUSH TO VOTE.

 

SERIOUSLY.

 

Any reason for that vote Darthe?

 

So lemme get this straight- Thorum votes Kaylee for somewhat hazy reasons, and Mish comes to Kaylee's rescue and attacks Thorum for the vote.

 

Darthe votes for Mish for even hazier reasons (so hazy they haven't even been cleared from the obfuscation that is Darthe's mind), and Kaylee rushes to Mish's defense and asks for reasons behind the vote.

 

Wtf yall? If yall aren't masons, then yall are scummy scummy teammates, plain and simple. Coming out defending anyone early day 1 when alignments are unknown to town is sketchy, but not being suspicious of said defense whatsoever and coming to THEIR defense? That's just bad play, or the play of Scummanese twins.

[hazelkrs1]

Sorry for the double post. Stupid DM.

 

Also, since I brought it up, we might as well get it set in stone so there's no wiggle room later:

 

Kaylee and Mish, are you two masons?

[dapianoplay3r]

My 2c is Kaylee is playing similar to when she was mafia in the girls gone wild game (think it was that one)

 

No time to go get quotes but if you have a look you should see what I mean

[michellem]

I'm not masons with Kaylee; nor mafia with her either.

 

I wasn't defending her to Thorum; I was prodding at his weak logic in general. Wich he just kinda abandoned instead of trying to make sense of it, I don't know if anyone else noticed. And don't blame me for Kaylee not questioning and defending me; I'm not responsible for that.

[peacesells]

I'm not gonna vote yet cause there is still plenty of time to vote.

 

vote mish

[peacesells]

I'm not gonna vote yet cause there is still plenty of time to vote.

 

vote mish

[peacesells]

I'm not gonna vote yet cause there is still plenty of time to vote.

 

vote mish

[michellem]

Well that's two votes on me that nobody's bothered to explain, plus Hallia still has her "joke" vote on me. Why Hallia?

 

I think I must have spooked the mafia somehow, not sure why, but I'll roll with it

[dapianoplay3r]

Last sentence seems really desperate

[wheeloftime13]

Official Vote Count

 

Tiinker (5/11): Player, Bob, alannalynn, Vambram, Basel

Alannalynn (1/11): TG

Mish (3/11): Hallia, Darthe, peace

Kaylee (3/11): Despo, Thorum, Womby

Player (1/11): Tiinker

Basel (1/11): Razen

Thorum (1/11): Mish

 

 

 

Not voting (6/20): Chuckles, Krakalakachkn, Tigraine, Rhea, and Kaylee.

[lolguy26]

@mod: do we have a Deadline yet?

[wheeloftime13]

I'm going to put the deadline up this evening so you guys still have some time...

[WWWwombat]

I'm not masons with Kaylee; nor mafia with her either.

 

I wasn't defending her to Thorum; I was prodding at his weak logic in general. Wich he just kinda abandoned instead of trying to make sense of it, I don't know if anyone else noticed. And don't blame me for Kaylee not questioning and defending me; I'm not responsible for that.

You attacked the person attacking Kaylee. Ergo you defended her. There's even a term for it: chainsaw defense.

 

I would be extremely happy lynching either you or Kaylee. I prefer Kaylee right now as I think she has been a touch slimier.

[Hallia]

So I did Mish!  Despite what they're saying, I don't see you as scummy, because his reasoning was spotty.

 

Unvote

Vote Thorim

[WWWwombat]

I like how the countertrain to Kaylee is on Thorum, the biggest D1 lynch target in the history of DM mafia. That's not transparent at all.

[lolguy26]

I like how the countertrain to Kaylee is on Thorum, the biggest D1 lynch target in the history of DM mafia. That's not transparent at all.

 

i didnt know that. and neither would half the players in the game

[peacesells]

That is pretty weak wombat and is a defense as well.

[WWWwombat]

 

 

I like how the countertrain to Kaylee is on Thorum, the biggest D1 lynch target in the history of DM mafia. That's not transparent at all.

i didnt know that. and neither would half the players in the game

Which is what makes it even more telling imo. The mafia may not have known not to do it.

[michellem]

I didn't even know Thorum had played much before... He certainly doesn't come off like a seasoned player.