The Hunger Games Mafia [Advanced] Game over! Town and TG wins!

[John E. Kelley]

Vote Vam.

[Graendals favourite]

Yea, Norwegian time should be one hour later then Finnish, so the deadline is in 25 hours 38 minutes.

[Niniel]

Cindy - Hallia is just as good as anyone on that list. 

 

Seeing as I voted her yesterday, I'm alright with vote hallia.

 

Please write more than this. What do you think about the game? Why do you vote Hallia? Your reason from yesterday has been questioned. Why haven´t you answered people that are suspicious of you?

[Hallia]

But if you feel others are scum more strongly, it seems funny that you just picked me, but stranger than that is Graendal's vote.  That's really your only reason? Seem sheepish to me.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

Cindy - Hallia is just as good as anyone on that list. 

 

Seeing as I voted her yesterday, I'm alright with vote hallia.

 

Please write more than this. What do you think about the game? Why do you vote Hallia? Your reason from yesterday has been questioned. Why haven´t you answered people that are suspicious of you?

 

so dart at the phonebook sort of deal?

[Niniel]

Sort of, but not really. 

 

But if you feel others are scum more strongly, it seems funny that you just picked me, but stranger than that is Graendal's vote.  That's really your only reason? Seem sheepish to me.

 

Oh, look who shows up as soon as she gets some votes. 

[Hallia]

I've...been on and posting off and on all day?

[Tyler Glembo]

And now for the longer quoted response.  Dap-style my responses are in blue.

 

 

Mini WoT incoming (It's split up as DM won't let me put it all into one. Side note, comments on the quotes are directly below each quote with the exclusion of the first two).

 

 

Here he starts going after Player (Dap).

 

 

Voting somebody for doing something anti-town?  So, let's say Darthe claimed mafia and RTE voted Darthe, would you still jump on RTE for going after the "easy target?"  No.  Dap, I don't like your reasoning here.  There is a difference between someone doing something scummy and getting heat for it versus mafia jumping on an easy lynch, and at the first vote you can't tell the difference.  

That is all, continue firing up the brush.

 

I don't think claiming vanilla right off is the best move. Like Peace said, it means scum have knowledge of how to narrow down their targets. But I don't think it means he is scum. I think there's also the possibility that Darthe really does have a power for town, and he is trying to divert NKs away from him.

 

WIFOM for mafia to consider.  I like this post a lot. +1 Basel.

 

 

Claim: Town Vanilla.

 

Hey Darthe, let's all claim then right off the bat!  Oh wait, no, that would violate rule 6.  

 

Seriously though, (assuming you are town) I like this play as it is going to give scum more to second guess at night.

 

 

The bold: Are you indicating you know which RTE was doing? There is a difference, yes, but only scum and those that know who the scum are know which the person is.

The underlined: As was pointed out, they may not have noticed without it being brought up (several times).

The purple: likes the play if Darthe is town.

 

Bold: What are you talking about with RTE?  I was discussing Daps reasoning behind his vote.  Not RTE.  I have no idea about RTE.

Underline: Good.  Mafia should notice.  Bring it up.  Bring it up more.  The more WIFOM and uncertainty mafia has to deal with the better.

Purple:  Yes, town read on Darthe.  This does not mean I consider him vetted.  There is a difference.    

 

 

Since I'll be gone this weekend I don't want to accidentally leave my vote on cindy so unvote, vote Dap

 

My early read on Dap was scumhunting, but after he didn't seem to understand why Basel would point out Darthe WIFOMing mafia I don't think he is thinking with a town oriented mind.

Underlined: over-explains removing a joke vote.

 

Underlined: I didn't explain my removing a joke vote so pretending I did is a misrepresentation.  I explained that I was going to vote Dap and probably would not have time to change my vote before deadline so it would be my final vote for D1.  I didn't want people to rely on me to change my vote to achieve a lynch when I would be gone.

 

I don't have much to add.  Tiink's play was scummy, but way too many people jumped on way too easily.

 

Also, CSarmi, do this:  Send in your NA at anytime.  Wait until 1 minute before deadline.  Post in the thread who you will target.  That way mafia cannot wait to put in their NK and will have to do it before you otherwise they will miss the deadline.  Also, if you die then town knows who you targeted and can confirm them as scum. 

The above seems like he's believing Csarmi and directing him.

 

I was testing CS to see his reaction.  With a claim like what he made I wanted to poke at him from a different direction and see how he reacted.  Him claiming his role and then not using it to best help town would be scummy IMO.

 

 

I see. Well, in that case wait until 1 mins before deadline to both send in NA and post it in the thread.

 

This one made me think: Why still insist on it being close to deadline after someone points out the flaw? Hoping it wouldn't be done in time and therefore help to discredit it?

 

No, the goal is for CS to best help town.  The best way is to not give mafia a chance to respond to his NA.  Therefore, the best way is to do it closest to deadline.  Nothing to do with discrediting.

 

CS seemed to indicate that if mafia NK'd the same person he was hiding with then he would die.  His death would be pointless to town without the proper information.  Also, it would be best if he could not die N1 (if he is town) by not giving away everything he does to mafia in the thread.  The more people he can vet as town (if he is) the better chance we have of winning. 

 

I'm still a little  confused about CS's power because I feel like he is a little confused about it.

 

I find it unethical to be town and not use your claimed PR to help town as best as possible.

Because he won't do it the way you want him to?

 

Because it goes against the entire point of mafia.  If town does not try to win then the whole game is pointless.  If CS is going to advertise his role in the game thread he should take suggestions on the best way to use it and pick the best suggestion.  That way town has the best chance.\

 

 

 

Indeed.  I'm pretty content with him hiding behind me.  And with the mafia's WIFOM of if I am a PR or not it essentially forces their NK, thus the hider knows when to use his protects with just a bit of effort.

 

I like this strategy.  And here I thought Kenny Loggins would be calling soon.  

 

Likes the strategy of hiding behind Darthe. Does that mean Csarmi is no longer acting anti-town to you?

 

No.  Darthe says "mafias WIFOM of if I am a PR or not."  I say, "I like this."  I was responding to Darthe's play, which I had already been very clear about on how I think of it.  Not CS's hiding.

 

 

Vote Tress.

 

Also, if CsLewis is town then I just got confirmed, right?

 

No, it could be a gambit that you two are pulling as scum.

 

Ok, now it could be a gambit. What happened to liking the strategy? You seemed to believe the claim enough to want to direct it. (Seems to be switching gears).

 

I understand your confusion here.  I didn't like the strategy before but rather Darthe's play.  If you interpreted it that way then this comment would seem to be switching gears.

 

Darthe, how exactly do you think that CS has been cleared as town? 

Further pushed the suspicion of the claim.

 

Not pushing suspicion, but I don't want someone to be "vetted town" when IMO they aren't really vetted.  I remember my very first mafia game here where everyone thought Peace was vetted town because of a similar "reveal" he had made.  He was actually scum.  It's okay to have a town lean on CS, but I disagree that he is vetted.

 

Obviously I missed something so maybe you can clear it up for me.  Darthe and CS claimed roles that may or may not be true.  Neither were NK'd on N1.  This means they are vetted town? 

 

I have a town read on Darthe, not sure about CS, but I'm not going to just consider them both vetted because they made a claim and weren't NK'd. 

 

Bold: They claimed roles? CSarmi claimed hider, but Darthe claimed vanilla (as I had pointed out to him ealier). Vanilla means no role.

Underlined and Bold: Suddenly you have a town read on Darthe? Just a few posts ago they could have been on a scum team and pulling a gambit. Which is it? Why believe Darthe but not CS? (Think I asked that already but haven't seen an answer).

 

Bold: Vanilla is a role to me.  Symantecs if you consider vanilla to not be a role.  IMO there is a reason you say "power role" and not just role.  Because it means instead of your role being vanilla your role has a power.  Role either way.

Underlined and bold: I think I've answered this.  You misunderstood what I was referencing.

 

Then his recent post (at the top) talks about how we should "handle" the hider/CS.

 

I still stand by how I think we need to handle the CS situation.  Gives town the best chance IMO.

[Graendals favourite]

Well.

 

Cindy - Hallia is just as good as anyone on that list. 

 

Seeing as I voted her yesterday, I'm alright with vote hallia.

 

Please write more than this. What do you think about the game? Why do you vote Hallia? Your reason from yesterday has been questioned. Why haven´t you answered people that are suspicious of you?

Well, so I shall, seeing as I really haven't posted as much as I'd have liked.

 

I think the game is moving along nicely, sort of allignments are beginning to almost form, some sort of patterns, though they are hard to make out. As always there's so many posts to go through it's hard to keep track of things, but reading and rereading help as ever. I don't know that I want to say yet what I think further, since that might just confuse matters. I haven't yet noticed anyone I'm not aware I couldn't be totally wrong on just as well. Well, I'm getting more reading of the thread now.

 

Hallia I voted since her first post yesterday truck me as scummy, whether my scumdar is completely on or off. I haven't noticed anything to alter that assessment.

 

Lastly, first I haven't had the time, I'd have to find those suspicions first. I think everyone is suspicious of everyone to some degree, there's no need to contest each and everyone. They remain there for the rest of the game after all, and can form a pattern for later reading, arduous as that is when there's more pages.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

yeah, actually... i don't think we're gonna hear anything from Vam if he can help it.

 

hey, sweetie, talk to me. yeah?

 

are you this easy to read?

 

vote Vam

[Tyler Glembo]

Just to be clear, I mean "Darthe's play" about how he potentially forced mafia WIFOM with his reveal.  Whether or not CS and Darthe are town, if they are then CS could safely hide behind Darthe because Darthe might be protected by doc and scum couldn't take the chance to NK.  The entire strategy really hinges on Darthe's play IMO, not CS's.  If CS is town then he has doubly vetted Darthe. 

[Niniel]

Yes, Hallia, you have been here a lot this day. And yet I have no idea who you are suspicious of. Here are your posts:

 

Vote GF

 

 

Random vote? 

 

Asks Cloud if it´s a random vote. 

 

am loving the scenes by the way Mish! :)

 

 

*nodnod* They're most interesting, I agree!  And by the looks of it today's going to be a quiet day at the office so I can catch up!

 

Likes Mish´s scenes and will catch up.

 

*help

 

that is...

 

 

Mentor!

 

Well....

 

Clever mafia distancing ploy? Hrmmmm.    I have a hard time trusting dap ever since the Indiana Jones game. 

 

Don´t trust Player since another game. 

 

RTE is definitely playing with a different style.  I've even tussled with him because it looks very scummy.  I've even gone back over all of his posts.  I'm changing my mind on my initial thoughts...he's playing an aggressive style without fear.  That's not a very good scum tactic.  So, I don't think he is scum.

 

He is exaggerating a lot, provoking people and making misrepresentations all over the place.  His form of beating the brush looking for snakes maybe?

 

I don't think much of it has been terrible productive though.  Maybe later in the some of these interactions will bare fruit.

 

 

So if he's not mafia, would that lead one to believe he's maybe a more active PR, like a vigilante or something?

 

Why would you ask this? 

 

I think he voted after the hammer, not realizing it' been reached.

 

About Vambram´s missing vote. 

 

 

 

 

^kiteh, now taking stalking to a whole new level :P

 

you have no idea...

 

 

should i be scared?

 

Very

 

 

We should be scared. Right. 

 

 

What do you think, Hallia. Who are you suspicous of. I only see someone who comments here and there to look active. 

[Tyler Glembo]

Alright all, I'll be gone until Monday earliest.  Meaning I'll miss the deadline.  vote Cloud

 

My D1 case hasn't changed. Between him, Cloud, and RTE and Kaylee I'm voting him for the day. 

[Tyler Glembo]

EBWOP:

Alright all, I'll be gone until Monday earliest.  Meaning I'll miss the deadline.  vote Cloud

 

My D1 case hasn't changed on Dap. But between him, Cloud, and RTE and Kaylee I'm voting Cloud for the day.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

Alright all, I'll be gone until Monday earliest.  Meaning I'll miss the deadline.  vote Cloud

 

My D1 case hasn't changed. Between him, Cloud, and RTE and Kaylee I'm voting him for the day. 

 

 

if you;re voting him bold it and red it?

 

after the response you just made to kaylee's case which... i'd been thinking some of those things about it... why cloud above kay, or RTE?

[John E. Kelley]

EBWOP:

Alright all, I'll be gone until Monday earliest.  Meaning I'll miss the deadline.

I want to punch you in the face.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

ninja bold red thanks

 

and why not dap?

 

but... we won't see you again till nighttime?  or... next day i guess. 

 

have a good weekend. 

[Tyler Glembo]

Cloud's exclamation of how great Kay's case was and jumping on without voting struck me as scummy.  Hence, my vote.  Okay, really leaving now! 

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

 

EBWOP:

Alright all, I'll be gone until Monday earliest.  Meaning I'll miss the deadline.

I want to punch you in the face.

 

can we do that?

[Niniel]

Well.

 

Cindy - Hallia is just as good as anyone on that list. 

 

Seeing as I voted her yesterday, I'm alright with vote hallia.

 

Please write more than this. What do you think about the game? Why do you vote Hallia? Your reason from yesterday has been questioned. Why haven´t you answered people that are suspicious of you?

Well, so I shall, seeing as I really haven't posted as much as I'd have liked.

 

I think the game is moving along nicely, sort of allignments are beginning to almost form, some sort of patterns, though they are hard to make out. As always there's so many posts to go through it's hard to keep track of things, but reading and rereading help as ever. I don't know that I want to say yet what I think further, since that might just confuse matters. I haven't yet noticed anyone I'm not aware I couldn't be totally wrong on just as well. Well, I'm getting more reading of the thread now.

 

Hallia I voted since her first post yesterday truck me as scummy, whether my scumdar is completely on or off. I haven't noticed anything to alter that assessment.

 

Lastly, first I haven't had the time, I'd have to find those suspicions first. I think everyone is suspicious of everyone to some degree, there's no need to contest each and everyone. They remain there for the rest of the game after all, and can form a pattern for later reading, arduous as that is when there's more pages.

 

Hm... Is there anything in this post that isn´t fluff? You vote her because of her first post in the game. Well that is concrete at least. 

[peacesells]

EBWOP:

Alright all, I'll be gone until Monday earliest.  Meaning I'll miss the deadline.  vote Cloud

 

My D1 case hasn't changed on Dap. But between him, Cloud, and RTE and Kaylee I'm voting Cloud for the day.

 

If you are going to be gone til after deadline this is a horrible vote.  Has anyone else even mentioned Cloud in a case?  I doubt there is a chance that he is getting lynched.  So basically all you are doing is removing yourself from the voting pool.  Unless you decide to stick around and lead the charge against him..this is a useless vote.  Highly suspicious.  Looks like a distancing tactic.  If Cloud ever flips scum...then you will be getting a HARD LOOK.

 

 

 

All I can say is WOW to GF's post.  What the heck was that?  Are you in politics.  That was 10 sentences of nothing.

 

Hallia..likes to fluff as well...but she spreads it around in multiple posts.  Good way to drive up post counts.  Nice.

 

Vam's likes to disappear as well.  I'd put him on the TG front.  Post and disappear.

 

UNVOTE

 

VOTE VAM.

 

I can be easily persuaded to vote Hallia as well. 

[dapianoplay3r]

^kiteh, now taking stalking to a whole new level :P

You mean not everyone stalks players to see if they are lurking?

 

I thought that was like a thing everyone did

 

Ok I think I'll go back and case someone

 

 

For the record the vanilla thing I claimed was BS. I just wanted to see how people would react to a new vanilla claim compared to darthes thing.

Then everyone ruined it with claiming

 

So consider me unclaimed, I could be vanilla, I might not be.

[Hallia]

Tons of people posting spam, and you're going to call me out? It just seems silly.  I post when I can, and my thoughts. And alas, I always do post some fluff, but that's the norm for me.  I see both yours and Tina's point, peace, but yes, GF's explanation didn't really clear anything up at all.

[peacesells]

Tons of people posting spam, and you're going to call me out? It just seems silly.  I post when I can, and my thoughts. And alas, I always do post some fluff, but that's the norm for me.  I see both yours and Tina's point, peace, but yes, GF's explanation didn't really clear anything up at all.

 

The difference being is that you made a defense in saying you've been active all day.  Implying that you were active in real game participation..not spamming fluff. 

[peacesells]

Any chance of getting this game stickied?