[Advanced] US Presidents Mafia - MAFIA WIN

[peacesells]

Red, I'm a republican..that leaves 1 choice.

[Lenlo]

Actually no it doesnt. There are other choices from back in the 1700s where we had the Whigs and such I think.

[hotpocket2006]

 

Mod Question:   Was the yes was in fact intended for "Is this just the flavor lynch for the regular mafia lynch?" or"We are voting to elect a president?" in the following quotes.

Nolder:

Question!

 

We are voting to elect a president? Is this just flavor for the regular mafia lynch mechanic or does the newly elected president have some kind of special power?

 

 

Oh, don't be dull. Let me rephrase. Yes and PAFO, respectively to Nolder's question.

 

 

Mod Question(I will probably get a PAFO, but you have to try, right?): If someone is elected/possibly lynched will they get a power right before they die to use?

 

Yes and PAFO were for each question, respectively. 

 

And PAFO to your own. 

 

 

 

Also, those of you who are trying to figure out what I would have done or not, just remember, Kate thought up most of this game, so double whatever diabolical-ness you associate with me for her, and then add it to mine.

 

 

Oh I know this, but her being a dutiful significant other would like you to think you have more of an impact than you actually do *winks*

[ed2funy]

Oh no, she puts me in my place. *shudders* 

 

 

[peacesells]

Actually no it doesnt. There are other choices from back in the 1700s where we had the Whigs and such I think.

You are not paying attention.

[Red2111]

o.0 50 shades of Kate *beams proudly at her Blue sister*

 

@ peace - Nixon is like 3rd on my list for scummy presidents. i mean seriously, water gate was bad enough but the man single handledly caused the decline in this country by taking us off the GOld standard and giving Washington a credit card with no limit on the dime of future generations.

 

i should vote you on sheer principle man!!

 

 

I just looked through the entire thread up to the point where I posted this and did not find one specific reference to the analysis I pointed out with how Ed saying PAFO would mean that he probably had something special going on. So I guess I'm not the LLL am I?

fair poitn on that specific point, but it was hardly like you brought the issue to the fore front and started the debate on it Rand; which is how your playng this out.

 

 

I assumed its true because others also reread and saw that it was there, so since I couldn't find it, I trusted all those people as well.

which still leaves my original ping of you trusting people in this game.

 

 

 

So basically anytime I agree with someone's already voiced opinion I am buddying upto them. There are three other options. Either have opinions which are only your own (which is ridiculous), disagree with everything that anyone else says (which is stupid) or just agree with Nolder and quote it or something along those lines instead.  I found that it was easier to just say I agreed with him.

or you culd have just posted your own thoughts independantly abotu the situation and not said wnythign about agreeing with a specific individual. what pings about it is you said "i agree with Nol" not "i agree that ..."

 

i question your attempt to link yoursel fwith Nol like that.

 

 

No I was pushing the idea that attempting to vote for scum when we weren't sure if it was a lynch is a bad idea. Two very different things. You, Red, are excellent at twisting words around.

no i'm not twisting becuase here you are doing it again, advocate AGAINST lynching scum.

 

 

 

 

ok, I did misinterpret this then. I believed that the yes was just to mention that we are voting to elect the president, and the PAFO was for the rest of his questions. All that happened here was a little rearrangement of the questions. Anyways, if it was in fact for the just for the flavor lynch for the regular mafia lynch, then I take back voting for Nolder and agreeing for testing this, because what will obviously happen is we will lynch town. Now we move onto the death gifter idea.

i'm not going to WIFOM the "will a person be gifted a role if they're lynched" with you or anyone else. it gains us nothing and stalls on actually casing and getting good game info. its counter productive as its unknown that will not be known until it happens and thats one if it happens and its not behind the scenes.

 

btw, nice of you to switch gears from "person lynched gets a role" to latchign onto "hmm death gifter sweet". why are you so into spreading WIFOM and focusing on game mechanics rather than scum hunting and applying pressure Rand?

 

smells like a scummy politcal agenda to misdirect our attentions while you give us the shaft.

 

 

to the blue, utterly pingtastic and seals teh deal for me. you're arguing not voting for Nol, but for still testing to see if somethign happens with the lynch even though thats exactly what teh Nol vote was about? and now its obvious that we'll lynch a townie if we lynch Nol.

 

now now, since when did you get to learn Nols allignment.

 

 

UNVOTE

 

VOPTE: RAND

 

 

i do agree with your points abtou Dice and woudl love to see some pressure thrown his way *nods*

[hotpocket2006]

o.0 50 shades of Kate *beams proudly at her Blue sister*

 

@ peace - Nixon is like 3rd on my list for scummy presidents. i mean seriously, water gate was bad enough but the man single handledly caused the decline in this country by taking us off the GOld standard and giving Washington a credit card with no limit on the dime of future generations.

 

 

 

I dunna, my boyfriend thinks Nixon is the best president ever. He would argue this forever with you. Maybe I should get him to come here and play mafia or go on the D&D board. lol

[Basel Gill]

Just because:

 

[Nolder]

I'm the best.

[Lenlo]

@ Peace Alright I missed Reds poke at you about the impeached presidents. I thought you were talking about Politcal parties.

 

You are implying you are an impeached president though from what im reading and you are saying you are republican ((Not sure if IRL or in game?)) And there are no impeached Republican presidents.

[peacesells]

@ Peace Alright I missed Reds poke at you about the impeached presidents. I thought you were talking about Politcal parties.

 

You are implying you are an impeached president though from what im reading and you are saying you are republican ((Not sure if IRL or in game?)) And there are no impeached Republican presidents.

Well as good as until GF pardoned him.

[Basel Gill]

@ Peace Alright I missed Reds poke at you about the impeached presidents. I thought you were talking about Politcal parties.

 

You are implying you are an impeached president though from what im reading and you are saying you are republican ((Not sure if IRL or in game?)) And there are no impeached Republican presidents.

 

Len: you're forgetting Andrew Johnson.

[Lenlo]

Johnson is listed as Democratic.

[Lenlo]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/about/presidents/andrewjohnson

[Hallia]

I'm the best.

 

around? Nothin' gonna ever keep you down?

[Basel Gill]

Johnson is listed as Democratic.

 

He was Lincoln's running mate as part of a Republican ticket. And he was impeached. That means he was an impeached Republican president. President Whitmore says your point is invalid.

 

[RandA lThor]

 

still the best poltical meme eva!

 

this... is awesome

 

response to Red coming up in a sec

[Lenlo]

Doesnt matter if he was on the Republican ticket if he doesnt affiliate himself with the republicans. Even the US White House site about the Presidents disagrees with you.

 

[Nolder]

 

I'm the best.

 

around? Nothin' gonna ever keep you down?

[RandA lThor]

o.0 50 shades of Kate *beams proudly at her Blue sister*

 

@ peace - Nixon is like 3rd on my list for scummy presidents. i mean seriously, water gate was bad enough but the man single handledly caused the decline in this country by taking us off the GOld standard and giving Washington a credit card with no limit on the dime of future generations.

 

i should vote you on sheer principle man!!

 

 

I just looked through the entire thread up to the point where I posted this and did not find one specific reference to the analysis I pointed out with how Ed saying PAFO would mean that he probably had something special going on. So I guess I'm not the LLL am I?

fair poitn on that specific point, but it was hardly like you brought the issue to the fore front and started the debate on it Rand; which is how your playng this out.

 

Thats true, I'm just pointing out that I wasn't bandwagoning and brought up my own legitimate reasoning for what I was doing.

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I assumed its true because others also reread and saw that it was there, so since I couldn't find it, I trusted all those people as well.

which still leaves my original ping of you trusting people in this game.

 

ehh... not really.  If all the people that read it were scum, which not only would be very improbable, if the scum team coordinated to make up information like that, they might all be caught, for absolutely no purpose.

 

So basically anytime I agree with someone's already voiced opinion I am buddying upto them. There are three other options. Either have opinions which are only your own (which is ridiculous), disagree with everything that anyone else says (which is stupid) or just agree with Nolder and quote it or something along those lines instead.  I found that it was easier to just say I agreed with him.

or you culd have just posted your own thoughts independantly abotu the situation and not said wnythign about agreeing with a specific individual. what pings about it is you said "i agree with Nol" not "i agree that ..."

 

i question your attempt to link yoursel fwith Nol like that.

 

I really don't know what to say to this.  I just said I agree with Nol because he said it.  Nothing really beyond that happening here.  I don't consciously think about my word choice.  I just say what I might say in RL.

No I was pushing the idea that attempting to vote for scum when we weren't sure if it was a lynch is a bad idea. Two very different things. You, Red, are excellent at twisting words around.

no i'm not twisting becuase here you are doing it again, advocate AGAINST lynching scum.

 

No, again, we don't even know if electing is lynching for 100% yet though.  Look at how Ed answered my question, the only thing he gave a definite yes to was are we voting to elect a president, nothing about whether this is a regular lynch or not.  So all I am saying is that until we know that it is a lynch, it is somewhat risky to lynch scum, and I am on the side of not doing it right now.

 

 

ok, I did misinterpret this then. I believed that the yes was just to mention that we are voting to elect the president, and the PAFO was for the rest of his questions. All that happened here was a little rearrangement of the questions. Anyways, if it was in fact for the just for the flavor lynch for the regular mafia lynch, then I take back voting for Nolder and agreeing for testing this, because what will obviously happen is we will lynch town. Now we move onto the death gifter idea.

i'm not going to WIFOM the "will a person be gifted a role if they're lynched" with you or anyone else. it gains us nothing and stalls on actually casing and getting good game info. its counter productive as its unknown that will not be known until it happens and thats one if it happens and its not behind the scenes.

 

btw, nice of you to switch gears from "person lynched gets a role" to latchign onto "hmm death gifter sweet". why are you so into spreading WIFOM and focusing on game mechanics rather than scum hunting and applying pressure Rand?

 

smells like a scummy politcal agenda to misdirect our attentions while you give us the shaft.

Well, as you said before, I didn't start the talk about the electing, I just saw it and thought it was important.  I mean, we need to reach a consensus on what we're going to do if we don't even know whether we should vote for town or mafia.  And keep in mind that while doing this, I am also scumhunting, so I am not staying away from scumhunting, I am just introducing another important game portion to our talks.

 

to the blue, utterly pingtastic and seals teh deal for me. you're arguing not voting for Nol, but for still testing to see if somethign happens with the lynch even though thats exactly what teh Nol vote was about? and now its obvious that we'll lynch a townie if we lynch Nol.

 

now now, since when did you get to learn Nols allignment.

wow, I'm not going to lie, that did seem pretty scummy.  Let me clarify that when I put obvious, I meant that the most obvious result would be, not as a 100% guarantee.  I am 99% sure that Nolder is town though, which is why I used stronger language.  And I don't understand what else was wrong with the blue statement, can you clarify your statement from "you're arguing not voting.... townie if we lynch Nol" ?  All I tried to say was that if Ed confirmed that election is a lynch, then I wouldn't want to lynch Nol since that was for the purpose of figuring out what was happening in the game.

 

UNVOTE

 

VOPTE: RAND

 

 

i do agree with your points abtou Dice and woudl love to see some pressure thrown his way *nods*

 

[Hallia]

 

 

I'm the best.

 

around? Nothin' gonna ever keep you down?

[ed2funy]

This applies to both Kate and I and anyone who tries to meta us.

[Nolder]

honestly looking at her lips it looks like she's saying "you know me"

I'm not seeing the "don't"

[RandA lThor]

Its a slurred don't that is barely said.  Look for a slight spasm of the lips between the you and know.  Its hard to catch.

[dicetosser1]

 

I like to argue with everybody

I'm a people person

that's why you should vote for me

now this, i lold out loud at

 

 

>Also, there is a lot of pointing because of the post I made and me bandwagoning. Let me point out that I was the first to mention that since Ed said PAFO instead of explaining that it was just a normal lynch]/u], I feel like it won't fit the normal rules, therefore will be some sort of gift. If it was just a normal lynch flavor, then he most likely would have just said that.

to the underlined - you sir are a LLL who only has 2 posts in the game so far. this mechanic was already in discussion so you were hardly the first to mention it. lets take your post by the points here. So i agreed with this

 

 

Oh this is interesting. I can't find where it says we will vote for presidents, but I will assume its true.

first scummy bit is you "assuming its true". why would you be so willing to trusst Nol when he says "it will land us another power". imo, you're trying not to rock the boat buy going witht he flow and blending into what you see as a popular line of thought on thread.

I do not understand why anyone is trusting nol. We have no reason to yet you did that blindly

 

I agree with Nolder here.

now you buddy up to Nol on this, alligning yourself with him.

 

 

If we try to lynch mafia, it might be a normal lynch and we might be one mafia down. However, if it is a power, then we might have just given mafia another power which they did not need.

here you are pushign for the idea and WIFOMing the scenario. you're also trying to capitalize on it by pushing the idea lynching scum = bad move.

 

 

For a town, losing a vanilla town (which Nolder better be to do this), is not as bad, as it is the least loss we can get, and if he gets the power, we will have gained a power role, which would be great.

excepting it that Ed did clarify that elect = lynch. he likely wanted to be politiclaly correct seeing as posting "and Barrack Obama was Lynched" might offend some people and be twisted into racial slander rather than normal mafia lingo.

 

so when it comes down to it, i'd rather "elect" to lynch a person i think is scum, because     so lynching a townie is ok if he is vanilla? WRONG!

 

 

Also, if this was just a normal mechanic, I don't think Eddie would have said PAFO, he would just explained it and went on. I feel like this is going to be a gift of some sort, so I will say vote Nolder.

if elect = lynch, then explain exactly how a DEAD person can have a power that can still be used in the game. they are, afterall DEAD.

 

if anything, the role would act more liek a "death gifter" rather than the person being lynched recieving a gifted role. and thats even if Ed's not bastard modding on this point, which i'd not put Ed above just for the lolz. because my bro is an evil mod like that

 

 

 

here is the issue in question, in its complete context. gimminee christmas ya'll are worse than the media at taking crap out of context

 

 

 

Question!

 

We are voting to elect a president? Is this just flavor for the regular mafia lynch mechanic or does the newly elected president have some kind of special power?

Oh, don't be dull. Let me rephrase. Yes and PAFO, respectively to Nolder's question.

so Yes, Elect IS a flavor name for the regular mafia lynch mechanic.

 

PAFO is about the newly elected president having some kind of special power. nothign abotu RECIEVING a power from beinf lynched, abotu if they HAVE a power.

 

most of us have powers in this game correct? some powers might even be special. so where the president thats lynched HAS a special power will depend on who is lynched. hence the PAFO

 

 

ladies and gents, i do believe the press core from MSABC has come into the cube with us, taking crap out of context like this to suit their own agenda.

 

 

 

That would be the things I agree with. I already thought you were scummy but was going to hold off because i was doubting my reading of you ability. Reds points showed me I wasnt the only one thinking this way about you. Hence getting rid of my doubts.

 

I didnt get bullied. In fact what pressure got applied to me that could be bullying? cause i didnt notice it.