[ADVANCED] Forsaken in the White Tower: Town wins!

[John E. Kelley]

I agree. And if Siuan is the Amyrlin she hasn´t bonded Bryne yet. 

 

But using that same logic, Elayne won't have bonded Birgitte yet either. Nor Moraine Thom. Or Nynaeve Lan.

 

If we're going to assume that Siuan's presence as the Amyrlin determines where we are in the timeline, then no one will be an AS-Warder pair as of yet.

 

Which leads me to believe that we can't assume that the flavor necessarily dictates anything with regard to roles or setup.

[Lenlo]

To be specific my pm says I am just Birgette. It says nothing about being Elaynes warder. Just that I am Birgette.

[Tiinker]

Don't know why Darthe is suddenly spewing out setup ideas based on the Elayne/Birgitte reveal when just before ...

 

 

There is no f***ing way that Birgette is in this game.

Vote Lenlo

Just need to look like your contributing brah?

[Songstress]

If Siuan as Amyrlin does put a firm point on the timeline, then it would explain Elayne as vanilla, since she was a novice/accepted at this point in the story and barely even in the White Tower.  But that throws a big question mark on Birgitte, since her only appearance at that juncture was as a Hero of the Horn.

 

Obviously the storyline isn't meant to be ripped from the books, though, and until we know more firm details it's all conjecture.

[Darthe]

Don't know why Darthe is suddenly spewing out setup ideas based on the Elayne/Birgitte reveal when just before ...

 

 

 

There is no f***ing way that Birgette is in this game.Vote Lenlo

Just need to look like your contributing brah?

Thinking, more like. I mean, if you prefer that we don't collectively share ideas based on the information at hand then w/e but things have to be one way or another. Either we are seeing people with warders (albeit this theory has holes but everyone revealed so far either is a warder or has a warder) and the timeline isn't critical or the timeline is critical, the warder claims are BS, and we have pitted scum. Like I said, there are options for us and I'm attempting to consider them fairly as we learn more.

 

The third option is, of course, that the names don't mean jack which would be bastardized from the mod side. I mean, if the names don't mean anything then why not throw Min or Rand in here? Aviendha? Rodel Ituralde? They all are related right?

[Darthe]

If Siuan as Amyrlin does put a firm point on the timeline, then it would explain Elayne as vanilla, since she was a novice/accepted at this point in the story and barely even in the White Tower. But that throws a big question mark on Birgitte, since her only appearance at that juncture was as a Hero of the Horn.

 

Obviously the storyline isn't meant to be ripped from the books, though, and until we know more firm details it's all conjecture.

A valid point and another reason that I do not buy the idea if names being irrelevant. If they are then Basel just outted Lenlo and created WIFOM in his own game.

[John E. Kelley]

Not everyone Town is paired as a Warder-AS combo. I know this for fact. At least I don't ever remember my character as being bonded.

[Tiinker]

 

Don't know why Darthe is suddenly spewing out setup ideas based on the Elayne/Birgitte reveal when just before ...

 

 

There is no f***ing way that Birgette is in this game.Vote Lenlo

Just need to look like your contributing brah?

Thinking, more like. I mean, if you prefer that we don't collectively share ideas based on the information at hand then w/e but things have to be one way or another. Either we are seeing people with warders (albeit this theory has holes but everyone revealed so far either is a warder or has a warder) and the timeline isn't critical or the timeline is critical, the warder claims are BS, and we have pitted scum. Like I said, there are options for us and I'm attempting to consider them fairly as we learn more.

 

The third option is, of course, that the names don't mean jack which would be bastardized from the mod side. I mean, if the names don't mean anything then why not throw Min or Rand in here? Aviendha? Rodel Ituralde? They all are related right?

 

Jumping from one outrageous statement to the next without much explanation of how you got there or how you changed your mind makes it pretty difficult to follow your train of thought. "Sharing your ideas" doesn't help much if you can't link your thoughts for the rest of us to see.

[Darthe]

Not everyone Town is paired as a Warder-AS combo. I know this for fact. At least I don't ever remember my character as being bonded.

 

That helps, doubly so if you're town.

 

Also tiink, this really isn't that outrageous.  It has to be that something either is or isn't, I am just putting the thoughts down so we have a basis for exposition.

[_CLOUD]

Isn't it grand how many people popped out of nowhere to achieve it though Cloud?  I mean, that is pretty nice.

 

I agree. People did come out of nowhere, and build the No Lynch train up with a lot of haste. It's even more surprising after you look at how long Rand's and Lenlo's trains took to build up. It seems like the Mafia didn't want to get Rand or Lenlo lynched. 

 

I'm still against a No Lynch and I would even have prefered a Random instead. This won't get the game moving. 

[Tiinker]

 

Not everyone Town is paired as a Warder-AS combo. I know this for fact. At least I don't ever remember my character as being bonded.

 

That helps, doubly so if you're town.

 

Also tiink, this really isn't that outrageous.  It has to be that something either is or isn't, I am just putting the thoughts down so we have a basis for exposition.

 

What was outrageous was your jump from "BS. No f**king way is Birgitte in this game" to basing a setup you thought probably on the entirety of it.

[_CLOUD]

^ True. 

 

I don't like the setups in the first place. It might give the mafia more ideas about fake claims that we would find believable. 

[Tiinker]

 

Isn't it grand how many people popped out of nowhere to achieve it though Cloud?  I mean, that is pretty nice.

 

I agree. People did come out of nowhere, and build the No Lynch train up with a lot of haste. It's even more surprising after you look at how long Rand's and Lenlo's trains took to build up. It seems like the Mafia didn't want to get Rand or Lenlo lynched. 

 

I'm still against a No Lynch and I would even have prefered a Random instead. This won't get the game moving. 

 

It's not that surprising. More often than not when people are online they don't necessarily find a reason to post. No one wants to cast a vote because of the position it's going to put them in whether they're scum or town, and that's just in the nature of the game. When they see a chance to dive on something which effectively gives no results and keeps them alive - like a No Lynch - then usually everyone just goes for it. I don't really see anything pro town or anti town about it, but I know I personally think that we'd have gotten moving much faster if we had gone with a lynch. We're essentially back to where we started unless night reveals some interesting stuffs.

[Songstress]

 

Isn't it grand how many people popped out of nowhere to achieve it though Cloud?  I mean, that is pretty nice.

 

I agree. People did come out of nowhere, and build the No Lynch train up with a lot of haste. It's even more surprising after you look at how long Rand's and Lenlo's trains took to build up. It seems like the Mafia didn't want to get Rand or Lenlo lynched. 

 

I'm still against a No Lynch and I would even have prefered a Random instead. This won't get the game moving. 

 

A random lynch would not have helped in the least. It would have ended with a dead person, but without a coroner's report, so we would have no idea until the game was over if they were mafia or a town power role or what.  And the chances would be much greater for the random to hit a townie.  A controlled lynch on a townie would have been preferable to a No Lynch, but there weren't enough people online who were willing to vote together on any one of the people who had revealed - obviously, since there were three stalled trains at 4-5 votes each and several people who had blatantly stated their refusal to vote for at least one of them.

 

At least this way we will have a chance to make full use of the interactions from D1 and understand what it means, if we avoid a random lynch so we can get a coroner's report.

[John E. Kelley]

A random lynch would not have helped in the least. It would have ended with a dead person, but without a coroner's report, so we would have no idea until the game was over if they were mafia or a town power role or what.  And the chances would be much greater for the random to hit a townie.  A controlled lynch on a townie would have been preferable to a No Lynch, but there weren't enough people online who were willing to vote together on any one of the people who had revealed - obviously, since there were three stalled trains at 4-5 votes each and several people who had blatantly stated their refusal to vote for at least one of them.

 

At least this way we will have a chance to make full use of the interactions from D1 and understand what it means, if we avoid a random lynch so we can get a coroner's report.

 

^^This x10.

 

You know who is helped by the lack of a coroner report? The scum of of course, because they already know who's who, the only knowledge they lack is whether it's a power role or not. But the question of whether it was a Townie or scum that was killed is no mystery to them.

 

Honestly, to see so many supposed "veterans" speaking out in favor of a random lynch as opposed to a No Lynch is astounding.

[John E. Kelley]

Seriously, think about it, a random could have taken out the Cop or Doc. Or even worse for Town's chances to win, me.

[Tyler Glembo]

 

 

Isn't it grand how many people popped out of nowhere to achieve it though Cloud?  I mean, that is pretty nice.

 

I agree. People did come out of nowhere, and build the No Lynch train up with a lot of haste. It's even more surprising after you look at how long Rand's and Lenlo's trains took to build up. It seems like the Mafia didn't want to get Rand or Lenlo lynched. 

 

I'm still against a No Lynch and I would even have prefered a Random instead. This won't get the game moving. 

 

It's not that surprising. More often than not when people are online they don't necessarily find a reason to post. No one wants to cast a vote because of the position it's going to put them in whether they're scum or town, and that's just in the nature of the game. When they see a chance to dive on something which effectively gives no results and keeps them alive - like a No Lynch - then usually everyone just goes for it. I don't really see anything pro town or anti town about it, but I know I personally think that we'd have gotten moving much faster if we had gone with a lynch. We're essentially back to where we started unless night reveals some interesting stuffs.

 

 

 

A random lynch would not have helped in the least. It would have ended with a dead person, but without a coroner's report, so we would have no idea until the game was over if they were mafia or a town power role or what.  And the chances would be much greater for the random to hit a townie.  A controlled lynch on a townie would have been preferable to a No Lynch, but there weren't enough people online who were willing to vote together on any one of the people who had revealed - obviously, since there were three stalled trains at 4-5 votes each and several people who had blatantly stated their refusal to vote for at least one of them.

 

At least this way we will have a chance to make full use of the interactions from D1 and understand what it means, if we avoid a random lynch so we can get a coroner's report.

^^This x10.

 

You know who is helped by the lack of a coroner report? The scum of of course, because they already know who's who, the only knowledge they lack is whether it's a power role or not. But the question of whether it was a Townie or scum that was killed is no mystery to them.

 

Honestly, to see so many supposed "veterans" speaking out in favor of a random lynch as opposed to a No Lynch is astounding.

 

 

Seriously, think about it, a random could have taken out the Cop or Doc. Or even worse for Town's chances to win, me.

 

 

A No Lynch is better than a random lynch, yes, but a No Lynch still puts town at a disadvantage.  By D3 we will now have 2 mafia kills and one town lynch as compared to if had lynched today we would have 2 town led lynches and two mafia kills.  Going no lynch has hurt town and given the advantage to mafia.  

[Lenlo]

 

 

 

Isn't it grand how many people popped out of nowhere to achieve it though Cloud?  I mean, that is pretty nice.

 

I agree. People did come out of nowhere, and build the No Lynch train up with a lot of haste. It's even more surprising after you look at how long Rand's and Lenlo's trains took to build up. It seems like the Mafia didn't want to get Rand or Lenlo lynched. 

 

I'm still against a No Lynch and I would even have prefered a Random instead. This won't get the game moving. 

 

It's not that surprising. More often than not when people are online they don't necessarily find a reason to post. No one wants to cast a vote because of the position it's going to put them in whether they're scum or town, and that's just in the nature of the game. When they see a chance to dive on something which effectively gives no results and keeps them alive - like a No Lynch - then usually everyone just goes for it. I don't really see anything pro town or anti town about it, but I know I personally think that we'd have gotten moving much faster if we had gone with a lynch. We're essentially back to where we started unless night reveals some interesting stuffs.

 

 

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A random lynch would not have helped in the least. It would have ended with a dead person, but without a coroner's report, so we would have no idea until the game was over if they were mafia or a town power role or what.  And the chances would be much greater for the random to hit a townie.  A controlled lynch on a townie would have been preferable to a No Lynch, but there weren't enough people online who were willing to vote together on any one of the people who had revealed - obviously, since there were three stalled trains at 4-5 votes each and several people who had blatantly stated their refusal to vote for at least one of them.

 

At least this way we will have a chance to make full use of the interactions from D1 and understand what it means, if we avoid a random lynch so we can get a coroner's report.

^^This x10.

 

You know who is helped by the lack of a coroner report? The scum of of course, because they already know who's who, the only knowledge they lack is whether it's a power role or not. But the question of whether it was a Townie or scum that was killed is no mystery to them.

 

Honestly, to see so many supposed "veterans" speaking out in favor of a random lynch as opposed to a No Lynch is astounding.

 

 

Seriously, think about it, a random could have taken out the Cop or Doc. Or even worse for Town's chances to win, me.

 

 

A No Lynch is better than a random lynch, yes, but a No Lynch still puts town at a disadvantage.  By D3 we will now have 2 mafia kills and one town lynch as compared to if had lynched today we would have 2 town led lynches and two mafia kills.  Going no lynch has hurt town and given the advantage to mafia.  

 

It doesnt put us at a disadvantage if we use the information we got plus whatever info we get from who they choose to NK well. By your logic if we had 2 town led lynchs we could also have 2 dead townies plus to mafia kills instead of 1 dead townie and 2 mafia kills.

 

As long as we use the information we have gotten well, I dont see it as a disadvantage.

[Tyler Glembo]

I see it as a disadvantage.  Yes, we could have two dead townies from the town led lynches but they would be town led lynches with a lot more information than we have now.  e.g. had we lynched you we would know the veracity of the Birgitte claim, whether other claims like it would be suspect or perhaps true, whether there is a specific time from the books this game takes place in, who interacted with you and who you interacted with and how that might make them town/scum based on your flip, etc etc etc.  Instead, we are simply left with conjecture on all those points.

[Darthe]

Nope.  No coroner.  Allow me to repeat for all naysayers: no coroner

 

We could have a dead person that we do not know the alignment or role of.  Much as I hate to admit it there is no justifiable validation for that result.  We would then have a third person dead instead of 2, one who is significantly more likely to be town than mafia, but we wouldn't know.  No strategy could be based on a role, ability, or quantifiable mean after that because we would have an unknown variable ever present.

 

Random is never the way to go.

[Basel Gill]

All night actions are in. Scene incoming.

[Basel Gill]

The Amyrlin still was grumbling when she woke up. She just couldn't believe how she had trusted those people and then they had blown a chance to find one of the infiltrators. She sighed in exasperation, and headed into her office to try to get a handle on the assorted paperwork that Amrylins had to deal with. Even in a crisis, the papers piled up.

 

The outer office was empty. Where was her Keeper? She looked around before heading toward her own office, when she heard a thump from the doorway. And then another thump. One body was behind the door to the outer office from the hall, she must have missed it. The other looked to have just fallen in the hallway, else she would have walked right past it. But why was the one in the hallway so far gone? She had just seen this person yesterday, but here was a corpse that had been dead and black with decay for years! Something was seriously wrong here. "I think," she said to herself, "that we have been looking for sharks and run into a silverpike."

 

Tress, Leane, Town Mail Carrier, has been killed.

 

Roo, Theodrin, Vanilla Town, has been killed.

 

It is now Day 2. With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

 

You have until Friday, Jan. 25th, to achieve a majority.

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130125T21&p0=422

[peacesells]

VOTE DARTHE.

 

I can jump on wagons for RTE and WOT as well.

[cosmicpanda]

After some consideration, I'm less sure about Darthe. I still think Moon's playing strangely. She seems to be hyper-defensive. 

 

Vote: Moon

[WolfbrotherKronos]

Two kills - means multiple factions or an SK?  Is a mail carrier a power role?