Hangar 18 [BASIC GAME] Game over! Scum win. Nolder & WBK.

[michellem]

Ok, I think it's time to put this out there. I'm Doc. Night 1 I self-protected, and that means that either the mafia didn't kill anyone, or they tried to kill me.

[Nolder]

Ok, I think it's time to put this out there. I'm Doc. Night 1 I self-protected, and that means that either the mafia didn't kill anyone, or they tried to kill me.

How does this help us exactly? You just threw a pile of WIFOM on us for no reason

[michellem]

It helps you by narrowing down what happened on N1, that's why.  And your reaction to is not exactly comforting. I'm sticking my neck out there because I think it's important for town to get that info.

[Nolder]

But...that's something we already knew

You didn't give us any new information besides claiming doctor

[Darthe]

Okay, I did something I haven't done lately.  I took a good hour and stepped back and thought before i spoke.  I hope that what I have to say will ring true to each of you as it did to me.  

 

This entire plan, the whole setup from the beginning, has revolved around the mafia being less active.  At least one of them is experienced enough to get how to play up the controversy between me, Nol, and Red.  I think that it had to be touched on by each of them and I think cloud may have slipped up but I do not intend to go forward without proof because, I believe that this mafia team is playing an inactive game.  

 

I believe the intent was to let me, red, and Nol duke it out until one was left standing and then to pop up, point a finger, and lynch that person for the victory when their credibility died.

 

This plan is not going to be allowed.

 

Yes, you're reading this correctly.  I think Nolder is town.  He has been prodded at, put under hellacious pressure, and lashed everywhere.  His name made it into this list and with Red gone it would be his death if he kept pushing like this and I was lynched too.

 

I am left with the following suspects: Tress, Hal, Mish, WBK, and Cloud.

 

 Mish, I am glad that you revealed.  Did you self protect last night as well?

 

Based on that we can have one of these two games:

 

2 Mafia Goons, 1 Sane Doctor, 6 Townies

2 mafia Goons, 1 Sane cop, 1 Sane Doc, 5 townies

[michellem]

Yes I am, I'm saying that unless they choose not to submit an action, they targeted me.

[Darthe]

Oh, I forgot to mention.  Vote Hallia.

[michellem]

Darthe:  your list of set-ups is wrong; this is the list of  scenarios we can have;

 

1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Sane Cop, 1 Sane Doctor, 5 Townies

2 Mafia Goons, 1 Sane Doctor, 6 Townies

2 mafia Goons, 1 Sane cop, 1 Sane Doc, 5 townies

1 mafia goon, 1 mafia roleblocker, 1 sane cop or doc, 6 townies.

 

We don't know if there's a roleblocker or not (unless you know because you're mafia of course, and that's why those are left out... Did you slip up there Darthe?). If they targeted me N1, they could have assumed that I was being protected by someone else, or they don't have a roleblocker and that's why they didn't bother coming after me N2.

[Hallia]

I am wounded!  You were one of those on Red's train, and with her turning out to be town, I'd say the choice of those lynched today should be between you or Darthe.

 

Vote Darthe.

[Hallia]

Between you or Cloud that is. XD

[Nolder]

Yes I am, I'm saying that unless they choose not to submit an action, they targeted me.

That doesn't help us at all!

Unless we can confirm a cop (protip: we can't until they're dead) and they investigated you and called you out as innocent you are just as suspect as anyone.

The only thing you've accomplished is giving the mafia a WIFOM to worry about if they didn't already know you were the doc which I don't think you did intentionally. And if they have a roleblocker you're dead either way. Your reveal was useless and suspect as far as informing the town of anything helpful.

 

For the moment I'm gonna give you a pass because I want to lynch obviousscum Darthe and thus far I haven't really suspicious of you but tomorrow I'm going to case you. I'm going to case everyone actually as I haven't given my thoughts in awhile. If I'm alive anyway.

[Nolder]

 

At least one of them is experienced enough to get how to play up the controversy between me, Nol, and Red. 

 

Oh, I forgot to mention.  Vote Hallia.

 

This doesn't really jive. It feels like you're angling for my sympathy by calling me town now but you're still going after Hallia. Seemingly in contradiction with what you just said.

[WolfbrotherKronos]

 

 

wow, nice way to get led by the nose by the scum you lot. first off, it was the weekand, you lot know i'm not on during the weekand *eyes Nol, Mish, Darth and Rand especially in this*

 

2nd, Cloud using my actions in another game to paint my abscence as trying to hide, week sauce dude.

 

3rd, Rand saying ive been playign it safe, are you serious? the No Lynch thing put me center front and i more than expected to be NKd over the night for my hints at being cop.

 

 

btw, i've been reading MoL all weekand, and have had Hay Fever since Friday. its bad enough that i called out of work today and have spent the majority of day in bed fighting bronchitist because my flamming nose wont quit running and a heelacious headache from coughing too damned much. one day you gues will hear of a mass fire in South Mississippi and will know its me burning down every one of these flamming goat loving pine trees. but thats fine, my death will expose the scum.

 

 

Darthe is imo Town, for reasons stated earlier. Cloud is the scummiest person in this game and Nol is the 2nd one imo given his antics with this push about inactivity as a distraction technique. conrads for outting yourself with that "Red lurked on purpose with the blood lust game" move there Cloud.

Here is reds opinion. Red is claiming that cloud is being the scummiest. Ignoring his joke vote on Mish, he voted Darthe, me, went back to Darthe, and then settled on red for day 1. The last vote was an omgus vote. He kept his vote on red for day two and was refusing to move it.

 

>Btw, that's me agreeing with Red's opinion on cloud.

 

Hahaha!! Seriously? You are making my job way too easy dude. First, let my explain your own inconsistency in your last couple of posts. I know that it's Night btw, but I don't really care. 

 

Ok. So you agree with Red's opinion about me. If so, then please tell my why you followed my vote on Red saying that you had a gut feeling that she was scum? When you cased Nolder you also brought up an ancient argument of Day 1 where people said that him bringing up his rant on inactivity was actually a scum strategy. 

 

You say that I ignored my joke vote on Mish? I don't really understand what you mean by this. If you look at page 2 where I made my first post you notice that my second one where I cased Darthe was almost 3.5 hours apart from the joke vote. Me voting Darthe, then voting you, then going back to Darthe and finally settling on Red was build on good reasoning. I have yet to find a good argument against it. Red claimed that I was following, and she even said that she would write a case about it. Where is the case?? She hadn't brought it up since Day 1, and even if she forgot about it here is my comment about this matter that I posted pages back: 

 

"@Red: I'm NOT shadowing ANYONE. I was the first to vote on Darthe with a case made by myself. I was also the first to case Kronos after everyone seemed to have ignored his comments. Saying that I was shadowing Mish throughout the whole game, or anyone for that matter, is plain bs. I'm doing by best to stand on my own two feet. Yes, I admit, I took your and Mish's comments about Darthe and incorperated them in my reasoning to vote on him, but that was just because I found the comments on his meta good and they drew me over the line. On page 6 I thought for sure that you were scum, but I'm not so certain anymore. That is the reason why I voted for a no lynch. We need more time."

 

My last vote on Red wasn't an OMGUS vote. Darthe, Nolder or Red needed to get lynched so we could continue this game. I found Red's play very inconsistent so I voted on her. You agreeing with the lynch on Red and now suddenly turning against me is scummy. If you actually agreed with Red's argument then you would have voted for me from the start, because most of her issues with me come from Day 1. 

 

 

 

1. I ignored your vote on Mish because it was a joke vote - I was saying there that has nothing to do with anything.

 

2. I felt Red was playing an inconsistent game as well - thought Nolder was a better lynch, but changed because we were at a stalemate where everyone was voting - someone needed to change or we would get nowhere.

 

3. No sense in bring up a fourth train on Day 2 - it was already going to be a stalemate - 4 trains in a 9 person game goes nowhere.

[Darthe]

 

 

At least one of them is experienced enough to get how to play up the controversy between me, Nol, and Red. 

 

>Oh, I forgot to mention.  Vote Hallia.

 

This doesn't really jive. It feels like you're angling for my sympathy by calling me town now but you're still going after Hallia. Seemingly in contradiction with what you just said.

 

 

I know that an experienced player is the other mafia member.  I am leaning Tress because of the incredibly lurkish game she has played but the player that I am most certain of is Hally.  I have some reasons for it as well.

[Hallia]

Well, since I am certain that I'm not scummy and you're targeting me, that must mean you're scum!

[Songstress]

Well, since I am certain that I'm not scummy and you're targeting me, that must mean you're scum!

 

Thoroughly horrible logic, by the way.

[Songstress]

 

 

 

At least one of them is experienced enough to get how to play up the controversy between me, Nol, and Red. 

 

>Oh, I forgot to mention.  Vote Hallia.

trong>

 

This doesn't really jive. It feels like you're angling for my sympathy by calling me town now but you're still going after Hallia. Seemingly in contradiction with what you just said.

 

I know that an experienced player is the other mafia member.  I am leaning Tress because of the incredibly lurkish game she has played but the player that I am most certain of is Hally.  I have some reasons for it as well.

 

 

You know... because it's you?  *shakes head at Darthe*

[Nolder]

 

 

 

At least one of them is experienced enough to get how to play up the controversy between me, Nol, and Red. 

 

>Oh, I forgot to mention.  Vote Hallia.

trong>

 

This doesn't really jive. It feels like you're angling for my sympathy by calling me town now but you're still going after Hallia. Seemingly in contradiction with what you just said.

 

I know that an experienced player is the other mafia member.  I am leaning Tress because of the incredibly lurkish game she has played but the player that I am most certain of is Hally.  I have some reasons for it as well.

 

First of all, how the hell can we even tell? She's been a little better since I called her out but she hasn't posted enough for me to really gauge her one way or another which is exactly why we needed to policy lynch her. Secondly you are the only person who's came to the conclusion that "someone experienced" is mafia and you keep pushing it. I don't even think we can call it a slip anymore. You're broadcasting your scumtells all over the place Darthe.

[Nolder]

 

Well, since I am certain that I'm not scummy and you're targeting me, that must mean you're scum!

 

Thoroughly horrible logic, by the way.

Songstress is right. I think in this case Darthe IS actually scum but just because someone targets you doesn't mean they're scum necessarily.

[Songstress]

 

 

 

 

At least one of them is experienced enough to get how to play up the controversy between me, Nol, and Red. 

 

>Oh, I forgot to mention.  Vote Hallia.

>trong>

 

This doesn't really jive. It feels like you're angling for my sympathy by calling me town now but you're still going after Hallia. Seemingly in contradiction with what you just said.

 

I know that an experienced player is the other mafia member.  I am leaning Tress because of the incredibly lurkish game she has played but the player that I am most certain of is Hally.  I have some reasons for it as well.

First of all, how the hell can we even tell? She's been a little better since I called her out but she hasn't posted enough for me to really gauge her one way or another which is exactly why we needed to policy lynch her. Secondly you are the only person who's came to the conclusion that "someone experienced" is mafia and you keep pushing it. I don't even think we can call it a slip anymore. You're broadcasting your scumtells all over the place Darthe.

 

 

The only reason I'm cautious about voting him is that Darthe *doesn't* make scum slips.  He's very deliberate in what he says while playing, and if something appears to be a slip it's entirely intentional.  However, since he knows that's his rep, he can use it for WIFOM all he wants.

[Hallia]

*nodnod* Correct, but in this game he first targeted me because I was a newb, then for different reasons, but it's come up time and time again, makes me suspicious.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

 

At least one of them is experienced enough to get how to play up the controversy between me, Nol, and Red. 

 

>Oh, I forgot to mention.  Vote Hallia.

> trong>

 

This doesn't really jive. It feels like you're angling for my sympathy by calling me town now but you're still going after Hallia. Seemingly in contradiction with what you just said.

 

I know that an experienced player is the other mafia member.  I am leaning Tress because of the incredibly lurkish game she has played but the player that I am most certain of is Hally.  I have some reasons for it as well.

First of all, how the hell can we even tell? She's been a little better since I called her out but she hasn't posted enough for me to really gauge her one way or another which is exactly why we needed to policy lynch her. Secondly you are the only person who's came to the conclusion that "someone experienced" is mafia and you keep pushing it. I don't even think we can call it a slip anymore. You're broadcasting your scumtells all over the place Darthe.

 

The only reason I'm cautious about voting him is that Darthe *doesn't* make scum slips.  He's very deliberate in what he says while playing, and if something appears to be a slip it's entirely intentional.  However, since he knows that's his rep, he can use it for WIFOM all he wants.

 

While I have always loved the ego stroke it gives me when you say this it isn't true.  I slip up like everyone else and, as I am just recently back at school while playing 5 mafia games and hosting 2 (technically 1 at a time but still) I have been playing very much by the cuff, to be frank.  I have been blunt and honest everywhere and it sucks but at least mafia moves on the site in this manner.  So, lynch me if you want.  But Lynch Hal first.  If I cost us the game there I will self vote tomorrow and that'll end it all.  Or do it the other way around if it makes everyone feel safer.  

[Nolder]

@Songstress: Oh I didn't mean to say they were slips on his meta. I'm saying he's dropping general scumtells. The only thing I can think of is he's playing dirty on purpose because he's the cop and doesn't want to be targeted for a nightkill but if that's the case he's played it way way too strong.

 

@Hallia: Exactly. He keeps coming at you and then backing off and coming at you again for different reasons. I think by now he's just too invested in his story about you being the scum partner of someone more experienced to let it go. He has to see it through.

[Nolder]

 So, lynch me if you want.  But Lynch Hal first.  If I cost us the game there I will self vote tomorrow and that'll end it all.  Or do it the other way around if it makes everyone feel safer.  

And there it is. The scummiest move in the game ladies and gentlemen. String this guy up.

[michellem]

Darthe:  your list of set-ups is wrong; this is the list of  scenarios we can have;

 

1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Sane Cop, 1 Sane Doctor, 5 Townies

2 Mafia Goons, 1 Sane Doctor, 6 Townies

2 mafia Goons, 1 Sane cop, 1 Sane Doc, 5 townies

1 mafia goon, 1 mafia roleblocker, 1 sane cop or doc, 6 townies.

 

We don't know if there's a roleblocker or not (unless you know because you're mafia of course, and that's why those are left out... Did you slip up there Darthe?). If they targeted me N1, they could have assumed that I was being protected by someone else, or they don't have a roleblocker and that's why they didn't bother coming after me N2.

 

Darthe are you gonna respond to this at all? Or are you just gonna ignore it and hope everyone forgets about it?