Lan al'Mandragoran

[PerrinFtw]

Lan al'Mandragoran,

 

Where does his fate lie?

 

Obv he'll bring back a huge army of Malkier, and be crowned king by.... Rand? Though surely there is more to this character than just that?

 

I'd like to see Lan, Moiraine and Nynaeve in the same scene, Lan has to choose between saving Moiraine or saving Nynaeve?

 

Thoughts and opinions on this?

 

Perrinftw

[maximus34]

well I mean, Lan is already King... I dont think it would really be right that someone would "crown" him. He never really stopped being King to all the people that follow him.

[algspkr]

If Lan does become the "Crowned King" of Malkier he will either Just take the Crown, or the surviving Malkier Battle Lords will crown him.

 

I kind of like the idea, but I'm not sure it will happen.

[Thorum]

About the choice between saving Moiraine or Nynaev: it would indeed be a very nice scene, but I don't think that RJ let Moiraine return just to be killed a couple of chapters further (after the rescue from the Tower of Ghenji and before Tarmon Gaidon). And I don't believe Ny will go to Lan before the end of the Last Battle

 

Malkier will probably be resurrected, but there's no need for a crowning, since,

well I mean, Lan is already King... I dont think it would really be right that someone would "crown" him. He never really stopped being King to all the people that follow him.

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Ánd wasn't he crowned in the craddle, just before they rescued him from the Trolloc attack in seven towers?

[RobertAlexWillis]

Lan al'Mandragoran,

 

Where does his fate lie?

 

An eternity of being Nynaeve's husband.

 

 

-shudder-

[algspkr]

Ánd wasn't he crowned in the craddle, just before they rescued him from the Trolloc attack in seven towers?

No he was annoited.

[Master of the Blades]

" Remember your oaths al'Lan Mandragoran. Lord of the Seven Towers! What of the oaths of the Diademed Battle Lord of the Malkieri?" (Moiraine Damodred TEOTW Rescue.)

 

Lan was never crowned king his father was still alive when he was sent to the Borderlands.

He always refused to acknowledge his roots and refused to lead Malkieri into battle until Nynaeve made him pledge in KOD.

 

As to his fate he will lead an army to Tarwin's Gap.

I always thought that Perrin would confront Luc/ Isam because of his ability to enter the Wolfdream but it seems it will be Lan against Isam to avenge if nation and his family. How Lan will defeat him will likely reside in his ability to defeat Isam in a sword battle.

 

The battle at Tarwin's Gap might unfold something like this. Lan's army will hold the pass. Aiel will be the flanking force in the hills and wolves will drive the Trollocs and Myrdrall forward.

 

I could envisage a six tier line of defense.

1) Dragons

2) Crossbows

3) Flanking attacks

4) One power attack

5) Hand to hand combat and

6) Cavalry assault to mop up

 

Stage one would be an artillery barrage that would thin the Trolloc ranks.

 

Stage two would be barrages of Crossbows and possibly grenades

 

Stage three as the Trollocs advance Aiel would attack the flanks and the rear and join the wolves in pursuit of the Trollocs.

 

Stage four Cross bowmwen would withdraw with Aes Sedai, Ashaman, Kin, or Wise Ones provide other blow.

 

Stage five If the trollocs reached the front lines then hand to hand combat would ensue.

 

Stage six Cavalry would be held in reserve for the final blow and mopping up what is left of the Trollocs.

 

The addition of cannon for enfillade firing and the new crossbows would inflict great loss on the Trolloc hoard. Saidin and Saidar would further reduce the Trolloc numbers.They would be decimated by the time they reached the last line of defense and the numbers would be manageable. This scenario is a based on Pickett's charge at Gettysburg on July 3, 1863 albeit with different weapons.

 

We know that Hopper told Perrin the wolves would be there for the Last Hunt. Borderlanders respect wolves and Trollocs are terrified of them. This seems like the best plaace for wolves to enter the battle. They have no use against darkhounds that we know.

 

Which Aes Sedai, Ashaman would be at the battle field? Logically the Green should be there they are pledged to be at Tarmon Gaidon. We do not know which of the Salidar sisters will or have bonded ashaman according to Rand's offer. We do know that the Reds on the Tower have bonded a number of Ashaman in the prologue to KOD. Given their primary role of hunting down male chanellers is now useless. I would suggest that Pevara and company might well be there with their warders.

 

Lan is the uncrowned king of the Malkieri he will become the king after the battle and fulfill Nynaeve's visions in her test for Accepted in Tar Valon. Lan will kill Isam/Luc to avenge his family and his nation.

[Judeau]

I just don't think it would make sense to have Mat's dragons/crossbows fight in the same battle w/ people w/ the OP. Especially after you consider what happened in KoD with the Trolloc attack. It would be like get the dragons ready, Trollocs are coming...*all the trollocs are killed by pillars of death etc.* nevermind...*disappointidly* nevermind, i guess were done here.

I'm a big fan of the theory that there will be multiple battles, ashman bonded w/ aes sedia at some battles, (probly travle to SG) everywhere else, more traditional fighting with one huge battle commanded by Mat. Maybe a battle at Tarwons Gap, battles at the ways, whatever, but it would just not make sense for there to be one big battle, it wouldn't work out right.

[rd2000]

The forces of light will be so outnumbered, any battle plan MUST hinge on the fact that they will be surrounded.

[Judeau]

does it matter if they are outnumbered if 10 Ashanman can take out 100,000 trollocks?

[rd2000]

It does if there are 10 Ashamen and 100,001 trollocs

[DemandredFO]

I think Fain and Isam will kill each other and as for Lan's battle at Tarwin's Gap I think it will be a conventional battle, without dragons or the OP. Also I am a fan of Luckers' theory of battle cuz one big battle would be impossible. Demandred, at the very least, is a superb tactician and would know this.

[Gentled Ben]

does it matter if they are outnumbered if 10 Ashanman can take out 100,000 trollocks?

 

There'll be dreadlords. When Rand, Logain and the others killed all those trollocs and myrddraal, they weren't opposed by any channelers, there were far more than ten of them, and it was still "a close -run thing." It won't be that easy when the Last Battle comes.

[Mercer]

We do know that the Reds on the Tower have bonded a number of Ashaman in the prologue to KOD. Given their primary role of hunting down male chanellers is now useless. I would suggest that Pevara and company might well be there with their warders.

Guh? Where does it say they already bonded Asha'man? The Epilogue has them in the Black Tower asking Taim if they can bond Asha'man...and the infamous 'Let the Lord of Chaos rule" comment. Did I miss something? I hope I didn't that seems sort of a large thing to miss.

 

One thing about this part I don't like...all the Aes Sedai (Tower or Rebel) seem to think bonding Asha'man will be some arduous, life threatening ordeal, and that they will need to use their bond to compel (whatever the term is for it) the Asha'man to reign them in. Is it not impossible to do this to a man who can channel? So how will this affect the bonding...especially since Rand gave the Asha'man who will be chosen no choice in the matter? Hmm. I can't see them going to the Black Tower, bonding a bunch of reluctant Asha'man and them all saying "Alright, great, now we'll all go to Tarmon Gai'don together!".

[Leopoled Boothe]

As to his fate he will lead an army to Tarwin's Gap.

I always thought that Perrin would confront Luc/ Isam because of his ability to enter the Wolfdream but it seems it will be Lan against Isam to avenge if nation and his family. How Lan will defeat him will likely reside in his ability to defeat Isam in a sword battle.

 

Maybe it will be both. Remember that whenever Perrin encountered Slayer in the TAR/The Wolf Dream he was always in the form of Isam while when Perrin encountered him in the waking wold he was always Luc. Slayer is, infact, two souls in one body so this leads me to wonder if he can exist simaltanously in TAR and the in waking world (essentially one soul is asleep while the other remains awake). So perhaps both Lan and Perrin will simaltanously face Slayer, in one of those chapters that constantly changes POV, in which Lan takes on Isam in the waking world while Perrin battles Luc in TAR/The Wolf Dream.

[RobertAlexWillis]

Slayer is, infact, two souls in one body so this leads me to wonder if he can exist simaltanously in TAR and the in waking world (essentially one soul is asleep while the other remains awake)

 

Sorry, that would be sort of cool, but no. Jordan confirmed that both personalities share a body, and that either Isam or Luc can manifest in the regular world or in Tel'aran'rhiod, and that the change can be made when he switches from one to another. But both cannot be expressed simultaneously. I'll try to find you a source for that.

[Leopoled Boothe]

I'll try to find you a source for that.

 

That's ok Rob, don't trouble youself. Your posts have always been very accurate in the past so I'm willing to take your word for it.

 

Still I hope that Slayer is taken down by some combined effort on the part of Lan and Perrin. Perhaps at some point Perrin will end up with Lan and his army of Malkari. Lan will lead his army against Slayer and a army of shadowspan. During this battle Lan confronts Slayer and the two do battle. Realizing that he is going to lose Slayer attemts to escape into TAR, however, Perrin is able to persue Slayer into TAR where he and Hopper comfront him and force him back out of TAR where he must ultimatly face the music at the hands of Lan.

[RobertAlexWillis]

Perrin is able to persue Slayer into TAR where he and Hopper comfront him and force him back out of TAR where he must ultimatly face the music at the hands of Lan.

 

I see that as very plausible.

[Thor]

I still don't understand how he can enter TAR physically without any channeling. He must surely have a ter an'greal or maybe the DO is more powerful than we thnk.

[RobertAlexWillis]

He's a dreamwalker. Entering Tel'aran'rhiod physically is something related to Dreamwalking, and you don't have to be a channeler to do it. The only reason we haven't seen any other Dreamwalker do it is that the only other non-channeling Dreamwalkers we've seen are Aiel, and they don't do it because they feel its evil.

[Thor]

No. He is not a dreamwalker, at least I don't think anyways. He actually enters TAR physically.

 

Check out the Far Madding scene when he stepped out from TAR into the real world to kill those two people. He didn't wake up or anything, he just went there directly.

 

Not dreamwalking, it's actual entering of TAR.

[chemteach1977]

I think Robert's point is that dreamwalkers can do more than we have seen. Even non-channeling dreamwalkers may be able to physically enter TAR.

 

Not sure if i believe that but it is a possibility.

[Guest Majsju]

Being a Dreamwalker does not allow you to enter T'A'R in the flesh, it takes channeling to do so, by opening a gateway. Excvept in the case of Slayer, his ability to enter T'A'R in the flesh is one of the gifts he recieved at some point between the disappearance of the infant Isam, and the mixing of Isam and Luc into Slayer.

 

As for Lans faith, I believe and hope he will die during TG. Having him survive to dig up the rotting carcass of malkier from the grave would be an immensely lame act.

[Thor]

I just don't understand how, it's even more bizarre to me than channeling. :?:

[DemandredFO]

Maybe Luc could channel but not Isam, after all Luc's nephew is the dragonreborn. I have no evidence for this I'm making an assumption. Further, when Luc and Isam merged the only ability Slayer retained of channeling was the ability to enter T'A'R. What do you guys think, I haven't read the BWB so I don't know if this is put to rest there.