[ADVANCED] WOT Mafia: The Great Hunt - GAME OVER!

[Gabriel Kross]

Btw, just want to point out that if Nolder was not poisoned, town would have won due to the Saulos role.

 

quite probable, it would have ended up LZM, Nol, Kae, vs Desp and JLM, Nol would have viewed Des next and then it would have been obvious who the last was.

 

We were surprised how long it took to kill GF, that was more in our favor though considering how GF was playing. Town would have beat us long before if Nol had gotten the ability sooner.

[Gabriel Kross]

Oh wait Shinori was still alive too, forgot about him.

[Nolder]

EP he is saying that your role was the problem

It has nothing to do with you as an individual and I don't think the fact that there were roles looking for Fain puts any kind of special check on your ability to blindside the other mafia team and town

 

I don't agree with Notbob that town had zero chance of winning but IMO it was definitely not a fair chance and the other mafia team got screwed even harder

 

Look at how it worked out

The team you chose won while feeding the town the other scum team

That's evidence enough don't you think?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

EP he is saying that your role was the problem

It has nothing to do with you as an individual and I don't think the fact that there were roles looking for Fain puts any kind of special check on your ability to blindside the other mafia team and town

 

I don't agree with Notbob that town had zero chance of winning but IMO it was definitely not a fair chance and the other mafia team got screwed even harder

 

Look at how it worked out

The team you chose won while feeding the town the other scum team

That's evidence enough don't you think?

 

His role was bad enough but also felt the game was rigged when you consider she modified a DM created role. The puppeteer is innocent aligned. She changed to scum aligned. So EP double crosses me (which I figured) and has another scum member control my NK. At that point, in hindsight, my best course of action would be to declare my scum, self vote and deny the other scum team of my NK. Just not worth my time.

 

 

 

Puppeteer: Innocent aligned, you target someone and you control his or her night actions. If you don't chose someone random . org will

[RandA lThor]

If she wants to change it, she can. She doesn't have to follow what that says.

[bgrishinko]

Yeah... that was kinda rough for you notbob.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Yeah... that was kinda rough for you notbob.

 

Thanks BG. You and Nolder are about the only ones who thought I had a point.

[John Snow]

Yeah... that was kinda rough for you notbob.

 

Thanks BG. You and Nolder are about the only ones who thought I had a point.

 

You had a point...up until you stopped being respectful and following the CoC

[RandA lThor]

Yeah... that was kinda rough for you notbob.

 

Thanks BG. You and Nolder are about the only ones who thought I had a point.

 

You had a point...up until you stopped being respectful and following the CoC

 

this, there is a way to say it respectfully

[Nolder]

See this is what I am talking about

Why are you guys trying to rile him back up?

It's over so let it stay over

[Verbal32]

Nolder has grown wise in his old age.

[peacesells]

I don't think the game was bastard modded. That implies it was done on purpose. But seeing Notbobs description on how the puppeteer role went, That is what made the game way overpowered for the other scum team. I agree there. That is a serious balance issue. Notbob could have put his thoughts in a better light and avoided all the negativity.

[Alanna]

I could have said this earlier but didn't because I felt notbob's attitude didn't deserve an answer. Since others have brought up the issue in a more reasonable manner, I'll share my thoughts. First of all, of course I completely agree with you all that the double agent role did not work out in the way I set it, combined with the puppeteer role. I'm not an idiot. However, I did not do it on purpose. I'm sorry, I'm not a perfect mod. I'm not nearly as experienced a mod as a lot of other mods. I was not assigned a mod to look over my setup for this game, I'm not even sure if that's something they do here anymore.

 

That means I might make mistakes in a setup. I never realized that was a crime here (please note the sarcasm). I think it's a given that sometimes mods make balance mistakes. As a player, I have certainly been screwed by a setup that wasn't balanced. The difference is, I didn't whine or cry about it, because, in fact, I didn't feel at all like the mod had failed me in some way as a player. I plain do not look at it like that. As I already said, before any of this mess went down, the double agent role was totally experimental for me. I knew going into this game that it was a total wildcard for me as a mod. If I were to use a role like it again, I definitely wouldn't pair it with a puppeteer, and I'd probably put some restrictions on it.

 

In my experience, when you put 2 mafia teams in a game, that automatically makes it harder for either of those teams to win, which is something I was aware of. Perhaps that awareness caused me to overpower the Darkfriend mafia team. That's possible. However, I definitely don't think the town had no chance of winning. They actually came pretty close, and that was with lucky hits early in the game which took out some of their power roles. Some of the townies weren't very active either. BG wasn't active as usual and didn't even submit an action as roleblocker Night 1. I don't mean to call him out, he's just an example. The DF mafia team did not have "all" the knowledge; they didn't have any knowledge of town roles. Of course, it helped that that about 5 or 6 townies decided to reveal in the first 2 days, but that's now those town players, not them.

 

And FYI, there is no rule anywhere that you can't change a role in some way. I'm not sure why we're even talking about this whole issue like I broke some mafia law and the mods of this board need to make some ruling on me. That's ridiculous talk.

 

At any rate, I wanted to clear that up, since some people seemed to want me to admit that I was wrong. But I won't be modding or playing mafia here anymore. Because of players like notbob, this board has become such a place of negativity for me; any fun I have here is being totally negated by so many bad attitudes. This decision isn't just because of this incident, but this has certainly made me realize this place is just not for me. So I'm not coming back to this board. Sorry. But Dragonmount used to be a fun place for me to hang out with other WoT fans, and I get none of that on this board at all. I want to go back to that.

[John Snow]

Sorry about that Alanna. Feel free to come back, please Maybe come back after a few months weeks days hours?

But, really, maybe if you come back in a few months you could join up again. If not, sorry, see you around other places of DM. *salutes*

[Nolder]

I'd say you're taking this too hard but you claim this isn't the only incident that led you to this decision so ok

 

I will say however that blaming "players like Notbob" for making games not fun for you is kind of a cop out

I've been in a few games with you where your activity (or lackthereof I should say) became an issue that impacted the games

I don't bring this up to bash you but to illustrate that as a community we all need to try our best to make games fun for everyone, player and mod alike

Mafia can only really be as fun as you make it otherwise it's actually a very bland game

[peacesells]

I'd say you're taking this too hard but you claim this isn't the only incident that led you to this decision so ok

 

I will say however that blaming "players like Notbob" for making games not fun for you is kind of a cop out

I've been in a few games with you where your activity (or lackthereof I should say) became an issue that impacted the games

I don't bring this up to bash you but to illustrate that as a community we all need to try our best to make games fun for everyone, player and mod alike

Mafia can only really be as fun as you make it otherwise it's actually a very bland game

 

Well said. Now where is Nolder? And what have you done with him?

[RandA lThor]

I'd say you're taking this too hard but you claim this isn't the only incident that led you to this decision so ok

 

I will say however that blaming "players like Notbob" for making games not fun for you is kind of a cop out

I've been in a few games with you where your activity (or lackthereof I should say) became an issue that impacted the games

I don't bring this up to bash you but to illustrate that as a community we all need to try our best to make games fun for everyone, player and mod alike

Mafia can only really be as fun as you make it otherwise it's actually a very bland game

 

Shes already explained her inactivity, she wasnt inactive, but she didnt really have something to add, inactivity would be not keeping up with the game, which she may have done recently, but everyone has done. And honestly, she already admitted it wasnt goin to be a perfect balance and she made some mistakes. However, as a mod, she has the freedom to create her own games and design her own roles. And saying its because of notbob is not a cop out, I personally wouldn't leave, but she does have a reason, notbob was basically breaking DM rules just to insult her when he clearly could have said the same thing in a better way.

[Alanna]

It's definitely not the only incident, I have been thinking on and off about this for months now. I do apologize for any games I was inactive in, though I think I have always removed myself from games where I became truly inactive, instead of just lurking as a playstyle. And I'm not sure what you mean by copout. I'm not making an excuse for a game here, I'm explaining how I feel. I guess you're saying I should take responsibility for my own feelings - of course, I'm responsible for how I feel about something. What I meant is that there has been a general shift in attitude and tone on this board, in how games are played, that isn't fun for me at all.

[Alanna]

Rand, we keep ninja'ing each other lol.

[Nolder]

Shes already explained her inactivity

I wasn't referring to this game

Sorry I wasn't clear on that

 

It's definitely not the only incident, I have been thinking on and off about this for months now. I do apologize for any games I was inactive in, though I think I have always removed myself from games where I became truly inactive, instead of just lurking as a playstyle. And I'm not sure what you mean by copout. I'm not making an excuse for a game here, I'm explaining how I feel. I guess you're saying I should take responsibility for my own feelings - of course, I'm responsible for how I feel about something. What I meant is that there has been a general shift in attitude and tone on this board, in how games are played, that isn't fun for me at all.

Sorry

My thoughts were kind of incomplete and that didn't come out right

All I meant to say was if mafia hasn't been fun for you lately I think instead of blaming it on other players you should instead work on your own gameplay

I don't mean that to be insulting

I've been doing it myself lately

I really haven't been enjoying the inactivity a lot of games suffer around here lately

Instead of just complaining about it (which I admittedly did a fair amount of) I'm now trying to be more active in games I play

I also advocate for stricter deadlines and modkilling of inactives among other things (policy lynching)

I don't like inactivity so I'm trying to do something about it even if it means I get killed early in a lot of games

 

I guess all I'm trying to say is that if you want things to be a certain way you should try to show people why it's good or fun

Lead by example and practice what you preach and all that

 

Anyway enjoy your time off and I hope maybe some day things will change enough to your liking and you'll play here again

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Alanna,

 

My apologies to you. No excuses. My fault. I don't expect to be back here so I'll leave and you can continue discussing the WoT.

 

Again, my apologies.

[peacesells]

Shes already explained her inactivity

I wasn't referring to this game

Sorry I wasn't clear on that

 

It's definitely not the only incident, I have been thinking on and off about this for months now. I do apologize for any games I was inactive in, though I think I have always removed myself from games where I became truly inactive, instead of just lurking as a playstyle. And I'm not sure what you mean by copout. I'm not making an excuse for a game here, I'm explaining how I feel. I guess you're saying I should take responsibility for my own feelings - of course, I'm responsible for how I feel about something. What I meant is that there has been a general shift in attitude and tone on this board, in how games are played, that isn't fun for me at all.

Sorry

My thoughts were kind of incomplete and that didn't come out right

All I meant to say was if mafia hasn't been fun for you lately I think instead of blaming it on other players you should instead work on your own gameplay

I don't mean that to be insulting

I've been doing it myself lately

I really haven't been enjoying the inactivity a lot of games suffer around here lately

Instead of just complaining about it (which I admittedly did a fair amount of) I'm now trying to be more active in games I play

I also advocate for stricter deadlines and modkilling of inactives among other things (policy lynching)

I don't like inactivity so I'm trying to do something about it even if it means I get killed early in a lot of games

 

I guess all I'm trying to say is that if you want things to be a certain way you should try to show people why it's good or fun

Lead by example and practice what you preach and all that

 

Anyway enjoy your time off and I hope maybe some day things will change enough to your liking and you'll play here again

 

In my basic game I am instituting a mechanism to combat inactivity. It's an experiment and we will see how it works out.

[RandA lThor]

Alanna,

 

My apologies to you. No excuses. My fault. I don't expect to be back here so I'll leave and you can continue discussing the WoT.

 

Again, my apologies.

 

I commend you for being able to say that. No sarcasm in that, I am seriously commending you for being able to do that, there are a lot of people who after doing something like that would just leave in anger.

[WWWwombat]

I will miss playing with you, Alanna. I always liked your low volume but concise and thoughtful style. You were never a prolific poster but you made your posts count. I think some of the high volume but low content posters could learn from that.

 

I hope you come back eventually, but even if you don't, it is good to know you will still be on DM.

[bgrishinko]

I will miss playing with you, Alanna. I always liked your low volume but concise and thoughtful style. You were never a prolific poster but you made your posts count. I think some of the high volume but low content posters could learn from that.

 

I hope you come back eventually, but even if you don't, it is good to know you will still be on DM.

 

This.

 

Sorry I wasn't active early on. I don't think your game was bad, I liked it. Notbob got stuck in a tough situation, roles played out differently than expected. It's all a game in the end though.