SPIDER COUNTRY - GAME THREAD 1 *GAME ON*

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 9/4/2012 at 7:33 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

IT IS NOW NIGHT 1. DAY 2 WILL BEGIN ON THREAD AS THE GAMES MERGE TOMORROW, 3 PM. EST.

 

[Tiinker]

So 2 and a half hours.

[John McClane]

  On 9/5/2012 at 2:48 PM, Christine said:

... You caught me as scum on D1? Are you talking about the time that EVERYONE WAS FIGHTING OVER WHETHER OR NOT TO LYNCH ME, and you proclaimed that I would be an informative lynch? Yeah, you didn't catch crap.

 

 

I have caught scum before on D1, but for the most part, it's impossible. All anyone has talked about this D1 is the game layout and spam, with a little bit of real scum hunting.

 

You are deflecting the attention away from your disingenuous excuses by seeding a debate over whether or not I "caught you".

 

Because you know the odds are good that I'd normally debate it with you, which then clouds the game and buries any exposing statements you made that got you heat in the first place.

[John McClane]

  On 9/5/2012 at 3:50 PM, Despothera said:

I agree with Peace and Ape. It's really silly to say that catching scum day 1 is close to impossible, especially considering how often that has happened lately on DM. The fact is, people slip up, and if you actually focus on scumhunting more often you tend to create more opportunities to catch such slips.

 

And even if you DO mislynch day 1, if it was a productive day as far as pressuring goes, the rest of the game is that much easier for town.

 

Technically, if the game is designed properly ... there is a 25% chance of catching scum on D1. Period.

[John McClane]

Keep this going though... want to see if Clodzilla goes full retard.

[Tiinker]

  On 9/5/2012 at 5:21 PM, John McClane said:

  On 9/5/2012 at 3:50 PM, Despothera said:

I agree with Peace and Ape. It's really silly to say that catching scum day 1 is close to impossible, especially considering how often that has happened lately on DM. The fact is, people slip up, and if you actually focus on scumhunting more often you tend to create more opportunities to catch such slips.

 

And even if you DO mislynch day 1, if it was a productive day as far as pressuring goes, the rest of the game is that much easier for town.

 

Technically, if the game is designed properly ... there is a 25% chance of catching scum on D1. Period.

 

That's with a random pick. If people are actually not posting nonsensical crap then I'm willing to bet it's higher.

[Alanna]

  Quote

You'd have to see the context. In the mafia grievances thread, some old schoolers have complained about the newer generation of mafia'ers being too serious.

 

I don't want to derail the game with this talk, but thought I'd clarify, since I was part of that conversation. When we said too serious, we weren't talking spam vs actual gameplay. We were talking about people's play styles, and some players taking the game too seriously, either getting their feelings hurt over gameplay or being unnecessarily rude.

 

And to be fair to Christine, the people complaining about that - namely Lily and I, I think - are from an older generation of mafia players than Christine. So she may not share the same opinion as us, because her experiences are different.

[Tiinker]

If you can't take a bit of verbal abuse then the game isn't really for you. There's only been one game that I've been in here on DM where someone's feelings actually were hurt and it affected the game flow and that was only relatively recently.

[John McClane]

  On 9/5/2012 at 5:33 PM, Tiinker said:

  On 9/5/2012 at 5:21 PM, John McClane said:

  On 9/5/2012 at 3:50 PM, Despothera said:

I agree with Peace and Ape. It's really silly to say that catching scum day 1 is close to impossible, especially considering how often that has happened lately on DM. The fact is, people slip up, and if you actually focus on scumhunting more often you tend to create more opportunities to catch such slips.

 

And even if you DO mislynch day 1, if it was a productive day as far as pressuring goes, the rest of the game is that much easier for town.

 

Technically, if the game is designed properly ... there is a 25% chance of catching scum on D1. Period.

 

That's with a random pick. If people are actually not posting nonsensical crap then I'm willing to bet it's higher.

  On 9/5/2012 at 5:33 PM, Tiinker said:

  On 9/5/2012 at 5:21 PM, John McClane said:

  On 9/5/2012 at 3:50 PM, Despothera said:

I agree with Peace and Ape. It's really silly to say that catching scum day 1 is close to impossible, especially considering how often that has happened lately on DM. The fact is, people slip up, and if you actually focus on scumhunting more often you tend to create more opportunities to catch such slips.

 

And even if you DO mislynch day 1, if it was a productive day as far as pressuring goes, the rest of the game is that much easier for town.

 

Technically, if the game is designed properly ... there is a 25% chance of catching scum on D1. Period.

 

That's with a random pick. If people are actually not posting nonsensical crap then I'm willing to bet it's higher.

 

No, the odds are 25%. Period. Doesn't matter what anyone posts, or doesn't post, there is a 1 in 4 chance of getting scum on D1 based on standard setup dynamics of making 25% of the game scum. End of discussion.

[Christine]

MATH DOESNT BELONG IN MAFIA

[John McClane]

  On 9/5/2012 at 5:54 PM, Alanna said:

  Quote

You'd have to see the context. In the mafia grievances thread, some old schoolers have complained about the newer generation of mafia'ers being too serious.

 

I don't want to derail the game with this talk, but thought I'd clarify, since I was part of that conversation. When we said too serious, we weren't talking spam vs actual gameplay. We were talking about people's play styles, and some players taking the game too seriously, either getting their feelings hurt over gameplay or being unnecessarily rude.

 

And to be fair to Christine, the people complaining about that - namely Lily and I, I think - are from an older generation of mafia players than Christine. So she may not share the same opinion as us, because her experiences are different.

  On 9/5/2012 at 6:07 PM, Tiinker said:

If you can't take a bit of verbal abuse then the game isn't really for you. There's only been one game that I've been in here on DM where someone's feelings actually were hurt and it affected the game flow and that was only relatively recently.

 

What you are talking about is "butthurt" or "emo" and should be reveled in when experienced. Unfortunately this site tends to hedge on the side of fragility. Anyway, all this huffing and puffing about feelings, gameplay, and spam is unbearable. I'm going to bail if you dorks don't cut the crap... it is boring.

[peacesells]

lol..boring enough to continue reading and posting about it? Sounds a little emo to me.

 

"WAAAAAAAAAAAA.....I hate drama. There's always drama in my life....." If you hate drama...why participate in it?

[Tiinker]

  On 9/5/2012 at 6:25 PM, John McClane said:

  On 9/5/2012 at 5:33 PM, Tiinker said:

  On 9/5/2012 at 5:21 PM, John McClane said:

  On 9/5/2012 at 3:50 PM, Despothera said:

I agree with Peace and Ape. It's really silly to say that catching scum day 1 is close to impossible, especially considering how often that has happened lately on DM. The fact is, people slip up, and if you actually focus on scumhunting more often you tend to create more opportunities to catch such slips.

 

And even if you DO mislynch day 1, if it was a productive day as far as pressuring goes, the rest of the game is that much easier for town.

 

Technically, if the game is designed properly ... there is a 25% chance of catching scum on D1. Period.

 

That's with a random pick. If people are actually not posting nonsensical crap then I'm willing to bet it's higher.

  On 9/5/2012 at 5:33 PM, Tiinker said:

  On 9/5/2012 at 5:21 PM, John McClane said:

  On 9/5/2012 at 3:50 PM, Despothera said:

I agree with Peace and Ape. It's really silly to say that catching scum day 1 is close to impossible, especially considering how often that has happened lately on DM. The fact is, people slip up, and if you actually focus on scumhunting more often you tend to create more opportunities to catch such slips.

 

And even if you DO mislynch day 1, if it was a productive day as far as pressuring goes, the rest of the game is that much easier for town.

 

Technically, if the game is designed properly ... there is a 25% chance of catching scum on D1. Period.

 

That's with a random pick. If people are actually not posting nonsensical crap then I'm willing to bet it's higher.

 

No, the odds are 25%. Period. Doesn't matter what anyone posts, or doesn't post, there is a 1 in 4 chance of getting scum on D1 based on standard setup dynamics of making 25% of the game scum. End of discussion.

 

No it isn't. Chance of you catching scum is 25% if you randomly pick. You can't introduce variables and end up with the same chance. 25% of the players being mafia doesn't mean you've got a 25% of nailing one.

[Sakaea]

  On 9/5/2012 at 6:28 PM, John McClane said:

  On 9/5/2012 at 5:54 PM, Alanna said:

  Quote

You'd have to see the context. In the mafia grievances thread, some old schoolers have complained about the newer generation of mafia'ers being too serious.

 

I don't want to derail the game with this talk, but thought I'd clarify, since I was part of that conversation. When we said too serious, we weren't talking spam vs actual gameplay. We were talking about people's play styles, and some players taking the game too seriously, either getting their feelings hurt over gameplay or being unnecessarily rude.

 

And to be fair to Christine, the people complaining about that - namely Lily and I, I think - are from an older generation of mafia players than Christine. So she may not share the same opinion as us, because her experiences are different.

  On 9/5/2012 at 6:07 PM, Tiinker said:

If you can't take a bit of verbal abuse then the game isn't really for you. There's only been one game that I've been in here on DM where someone's feelings actually were hurt and it affected the game flow and that was only relatively recently.

 

What you are talking about is "butthurt" or "emo" and should be reveled in when experienced. Unfortunately this site tends to hedge on the side of fragility. Anyway, all this huffing and puffing about feelings, gameplay, and spam is unbearable. I'm going to bail if you dorks don't cut the crap... it is boring.

 

Do not force the Ape to leave. That is unacceptable.

[peacesells]

Oh man..sucks to be you guys. Go read the Game 3 thread.

[Sakaea]

I saw it

[hazelkrs1]

  On 9/5/2012 at 6:37 PM, Tiinker said:

  On 9/5/2012 at 6:25 PM, John McClane said:

  On 9/5/2012 at 5:33 PM, Tiinker said:

  On 9/5/2012 at 5:21 PM, John McClane said:

  On 9/5/2012 at 3:50 PM, Despothera said:

I agree with Peace and Ape. It's really silly to say that catching scum day 1 is close to impossible, especially considering how often that has happened lately on DM. The fact is, people slip up, and if you actually focus on scumhunting more often you tend to create more opportunities to catch such slips.

 

And even if you DO mislynch day 1, if it was a productive day as far as pressuring goes, the rest of the game is that much easier for town.

 

Technically, if the game is designed properly ... there is a 25% chance of catching scum on D1. Period.

 

That's with a random pick. If people are actually not posting nonsensical crap then I'm willing to bet it's higher.

  On 9/5/2012 at 5:33 PM, Tiinker said:

  On 9/5/2012 at 5:21 PM, John McClane said:

  On 9/5/2012 at 3:50 PM, Despothera said:

I agree with Peace and Ape. It's really silly to say that catching scum day 1 is close to impossible, especially considering how often that has happened lately on DM. The fact is, people slip up, and if you actually focus on scumhunting more often you tend to create more opportunities to catch such slips.

 

And even if you DO mislynch day 1, if it was a productive day as far as pressuring goes, the rest of the game is that much easier for town.

 

Technically, if the game is designed properly ... there is a 25% chance of catching scum on D1. Period.

 

That's with a random pick. If people are actually not posting nonsensical crap then I'm willing to bet it's higher.

 

No, the odds are 25%. Period. Doesn't matter what anyone posts, or doesn't post, there is a 1 in 4 chance of getting scum on D1 based on standard setup dynamics of making 25% of the game scum. End of discussion.

 

No it isn't. Chance of you catching scum is 25% if you randomly pick. You can't introduce variables and end up with the same chance. 25% of the players being mafia doesn't mean you've got a 25% of nailing one.

 

This is correct. If Rand slips on day 1 as mafia, the chances of catching scum day 1 rise to 100%

 

LAWLS!

[Tiinker]

[Tiinker]

  On 9/5/2012 at 6:40 PM, Despothera said:

  On 9/5/2012 at 6:37 PM, Tiinker said:

  On 9/5/2012 at 6:25 PM, John McClane said:

  On 9/5/2012 at 5:33 PM, Tiinker said:

  On 9/5/2012 at 5:21 PM, John McClane said:

  On 9/5/2012 at 3:50 PM, Despothera said:

I agree with Peace and Ape. It's really silly to say that catching scum day 1 is close to impossible, especially considering how often that has happened lately on DM. The fact is, people slip up, and if you actually focus on scumhunting more often you tend to create more opportunities to catch such slips.

 

And even if you DO mislynch day 1, if it was a productive day as far as pressuring goes, the rest of the game is that much easier for town.

 

Technically, if the game is designed properly ... there is a 25% chance of catching scum on D1. Period.

 

That's with a random pick. If people are actually not posting nonsensical crap then I'm willing to bet it's higher.

  On 9/5/2012 at 5:33 PM, Tiinker said:

  On 9/5/2012 at 5:21 PM, John McClane said:

  On 9/5/2012 at 3:50 PM, Despothera said:

I agree with Peace and Ape. It's really silly to say that catching scum day 1 is close to impossible, especially considering how often that has happened lately on DM. The fact is, people slip up, and if you actually focus on scumhunting more often you tend to create more opportunities to catch such slips.

 

And even if you DO mislynch day 1, if it was a productive day as far as pressuring goes, the rest of the game is that much easier for town.

 

Technically, if the game is designed properly ... there is a 25% chance of catching scum on D1. Period.

 

That's with a random pick. If people are actually not posting nonsensical crap then I'm willing to bet it's higher.

 

No, the odds are 25%. Period. Doesn't matter what anyone posts, or doesn't post, there is a 1 in 4 chance of getting scum on D1 based on standard setup dynamics of making 25% of the game scum. End of discussion.

 

No it isn't. Chance of you catching scum is 25% if you randomly pick. You can't introduce variables and end up with the same chance. 25% of the players being mafia doesn't mean you've got a 25% of nailing one.

 

This is correct. If Rand slips on day 1 as mafia, the chances of catching scum day 1 rise to 100%

 

LAWLS!

 

LOL!

[hazelkrs1]

  On 9/5/2012 at 6:39 PM, peacesells said:

Oh man..sucks to be you guys. Go read the Game 3 thread.

 

 

pfffft BAHaHAHA!!!

 

Looks like a roll of the dice for each of yall, how hilarious.

 

[John McClane]

  On 9/5/2012 at 6:37 PM, Tiinker said:

No it isn't. Chance of you catching scum is 25% if you randomly pick. You can't introduce variables and end up with the same chance. 25% of the players being mafia doesn't mean you've got a 25% of nailing one.

 

Holy shit.

 

What people say and do not say does not equate to "introducing variables" that impacts the odds. The ONLY thing that impacts the odds of catching scum in this game is the death of either scum or town players, and investigative roles. NEITHER of which are typically at play on D1. Therefore, 25% odds do NOT change. At the end of the day a case, whether good or bad, is a guess. And a guess is subject to the 25% odds.

[Darthe]

Statistically speaking John McClane is totally correct. I can post academic article after article on the states of probability and how they are defined in both constant and static norms.

[hazelkrs1]

But what Ape is saying only works if every lynch is pretty much random. With actual scumhunting, the lynch won't be random. It will be looking for those that are probably more scummy looking

[hazelkrs1]

A guess isn't subject to 25% odds if it happens to be based on a great case. If someone has an obvious scumtell for instance, and people pick up on it, then chances are highly in their favor that they will catch that person when they're mafia.

 

Plus John's point is kinda silly anyways, when you consider that not every game has a 25% distribution of mafia. Some have more, some less, depending on roles and setup

[Christine]

FML.

 

 

ALRIGHT, WHO THE HELL POISONED ME?! BECAUSE I PLAN ON TAKING YOU WITH ME WHEN I DIE!