There Goes the Neighborhood (Game Thread) - GAME OVER MAFIA WIN

[keyholder21]

I agree with a lot of what you said Leems, but this point is, I think, arguable.

 

Lynch trains that start up on inactive people who turn out to be scum ping me because they can be a great scape goat for mafia to A) look innocent because they killed scum, and B) get rid of an inactive player anyways.

 

If I was on a scum team and there was an inactive member, I would do whatever in my power to keep said person under the radar - I wouldn't ever be the one to bring him/her into the spotlight. It would be to my own advantage to let them skate by with being inactive.

[Ironeyes]

Speaking of inactive people, where's Razen gone to? I haven't seen him post for several pages.

[Little Miss]

Yeah I guess. Personally I've just seen and known players willing to sacrifice other mafia members. Isn't that why so many people in this game got their feathers ruffled at the idea of Mynd doing it with EP?

[Songstress]

Speaking of inactive people, where's Razen gone to? I haven't seen him post for several pages.

 

He posted yesterday morning to vote Darthe, and again a few hours ago to unvote him, that doesn't scream inactive to me.

 

Also, Tina the math was simply not there and that was the reasoning behind Mynd's vote. Yes it worked and so I have shut up about it since, but the logic was flawed. Disagreeing with that process does not make me scummy. If you choose to use that logic then in this game I am almost certainly not Scum because I was in the Ferngully match and in Hunters vs. Shifters. The truth is that I have the same odds here, as do we all.

 

I find the bolded completely contradictory to what you said on day 1 when Mynd was around (aka what has been quoted above by Tina). You said you agreed with the theory. You said that you were having the same line of thought as Mynd's. Your issue with Mynd's vote on EP was clearly not because you thought his theory was bogus... but rather that in your opinion, EP's roles in current games made him incompatible to the theory. As well as thinking that he doesn't deserve to become the new Blackhoof.

 

And yet NOW you say that the math is simply not there. And that disagreeing with it doesn't mean you're scummy. I agree, it doesn't. But you didn't disagree with the theory on day 1 and now you suddenly do? I'm not liking the way you seem to be switching stances...

 

And what also bothers me is your following comment to Tina. If you think the math is flawed and the theory is bogus then you don't get to use it to portray yourself as likely town. Can't have it both ways.

 

 

Vote Darthe

 

 

 

 

Nyn

 

Disagreeing with the process doesn’t make you look scummy, but the fact that you were so in favor of it yesterday, and only now are coming out against it is interesting in my opinion. As Nyn has pointed out here, you can't say that the logic was flawed, then proceed to say that it must mean that you are probably town. I think that you are trying too hard to make yourself look town. First, you ended up agreeing with a theory put forward by Mynd on Day 1, then when he's dead one day later, you distance yourself from said theory by saying that it's rubbish now? Why the flip-flop?

 

Sorry if I sounded arrogant, but you are arguing vehemently against mynds theory, AFTER his death. You have also acted like Nae was a supporter of the theory, when she never was.

 

This one intrigued me a bit. This is Hoofy’s explanation of why he voted for Ishy. After looking back and seeing what Nae had to say on this subject, I’m thinking that the way Ishy reacted after Mynd’s death is slightly odd.

 

Right now, it’s a toss up for me between Darthe and Ishy. Of the two, I think that Darthe has been far more inconsistent in his reasoning and his justification of votes. As Key has noted above me, Darthe was highly suspicious of Hoof, yet votes Arez (on Day 2) on nothing more than meta, when he had already stated that he found Hoof the scummiest player. Vote: Darthe.

Unvote. Unless someone comes forward to contest the claim, I'm thinking Darthe's the real cop.

 

Speaking of inactivity... *whew*

 

Finally finished catching up the blasted GSoD to current posts and am almost done going through it... As I mentioned a few days ago, the atmosphere in the game most of D1 was really unpleasant and it was hard enough for me to want to read the game, much less keep up my spreadsheet and analysis... so I got about a week behind, and it was ... quite a labor to catch up.

 

Expect a post or three from me shortly, once I've had a chance to organize some thoughts. Will try not to overwhelm everyone with multiquotes

[Arez Al'Loke]

Huhuhu xD I'm kind of a hypocrit, I knoow... It's bad I know, but sometimes I just don't feel I have anything to add to the situation.

 

 

I doubt Darthe is scum to be honest.. Even if his actions appear slighty "untownish" doesn't mean he is scummy. I have doubts that scum would try to initate a train based on such a weak reasons..

 

Although I really dislike the List thing Darthe made.. I reeeaaallllyyyy dislike such things, it's so easy to "make a mistake"..

 

Okay I just have to quickly say, I am reading a bit at work and this is driving me crazy. First because you imply that voting you is a mistake in a mafia game and second because you say that you doubt I'm scum right AFtER I claim...

 

Ofcourse I imply voting me is a mistake >_< the only way it wouldn't be is if I was scum. I thought that was rather obvious.

I implied several times, before you revealed, that I didn't think you were scum. So I guess that takes care of that.

 

Let me throw in a bit of an Omgus, You seem to be awfully "aggressive" towards me based on rather small reasons.

There are other people here with bigger "cases" on them. But anyway, you claim to be cop, so just view me and we can move on.

 

P.S: it doesn't really matter what I say, View me, Don't view me.. People who are scum are going to turn it against me either way.

 

 

I don't particularly care for the snark and supposed "drunk mafia" going on in this game. Besides, there seems to be very little actual casing going on these days. That and Real life is also crazy (husband got deployed for a week long thing to protect the VP after we got back from camping and had to get stuff). I've been following as I can, but as I said in my first statement, it's not exactly play inspiring.

 

I really like how Peace has ignored my comments in my regards to his accusations, and the one's I have made about him. I feel you have a weak case against me, and I don't believe Darthe has made any thing against me at all except for the fact that I'm not overly active and "bandwagoning". Which might be because I get called out every time I make a post.

 

Now my thoughts.

 

The people sticking out to me :

 

Nyn - Pretty quiet this game, however not afraid to still call people out for reasoning, but still nothing to heavy when she does post.

 

Nae - Was very very against Mynd (mostly because he was being a jerk face) however I feel a little like she was abusing her "bulldog" nickname to make it seem ok. However going so hard against a townie who is now dead does make her look bad, and would be a stupid move on a mafia members part.

 

Arez - I REALLY don't like how he mostly bounces from quite to spammy. The one time he got called out on, he jokingly shoved it away, like "you don't want to do that" or "you radar is broken". It almost seemed to mild in a defense. Darthe also just laid off of him when he did those joking things. He got out of any real pressure and seems to be largely ignored.

 

Peace - For his weak casing against me, and ignoring my comment about how accommodating he started being to Mynd about half way through night phase. His case was poorly put together, and I was able to address his twisted statements, and comment about me defending EP by saying he was acting weirdly calm. (which he never replied to) Other than that, I haven't seen anything else from him. He seems to go with bandwagons rather easily.

 

Kae - I feel she is only spamming too, no casings, no real reasoning. I feel like she was quiet for a large portion and still isn't fully in the game aside from when people are drunkenly posting.

 

My vote is leaning towards Arez and Peace at the moment.

 

The fun part about this is, I know you are going to be more convinced I'm scummy because I defend myself, but I don't really have a choice.

 

First bold, What is more scummy, having exackly 2 replies per page or being more irregular? I'd say that based on what Little Miss (You) wrote earlier, my post amount isn't scummy at all, nor have I spammed anything.

 

Second bold, Yes I jokingly shoved it away. Why do I have to be all emotional about it and insult him? Can't I dismiss his accusation in a more friendly manner?

 

Third bold, Is what I find scummy actually. You're basically saying that you won't allow anyone to defend themselves when you accuse them of being scum, because that is scummy. I'm not going to lie down and die because you think that anything I write is Mildly defensive. (Not meant to be offensive)

 

Fourth bold, Darthe didn't lay off of me, he still has his vote on me..

 

Thank you for your time everybody!

[peacesells]

You keep teasing us with this WOT. What gives?

[Songstress]

You keep teasing us with this WOT. What gives?

 

I told you, it's on the way. And you're probably not going to like it when it arrives.

[peacesells]

You keep teasing us with this WOT. What gives?

 

That was meant for Songtress

[peacesells]

You keep teasing us with this WOT. What gives?

 

I told you, it's on the way. And you're probably not going to like it when it arrives.

 

You've said it's on the way several times. So excuse me if I'm not a real believer at this point. Speaking of active lurkers. And, are you trying to intimidate me or something? I seriously doubt anything you come up with won't be OMGUS since I've pointed out you haven't followed through with your WOT.

[Little Miss]

Arez - I actually prefer people to explain themselves. Because it keeps the game going, gives people something to look back on, and can actually clear up misconceptions. I've been called out 3 times this game, and nothing bad actually happened from it. One of those times was a mistake on their part.

 

Point one and two - I feel that you were VERY quiet for a large portion before you started posting some what more. By spammy I mean nothing that actually really contributes to the game. Small posts, or jokes. No actual thoughts or ideas. You've posted 3 times since Darthe called you out on page 34 and one of those was a "your radar is broken" comment.

 

Point three and four - I don't think joke voting counts, and actually explaining yourself is LESS scummy to me personally. Mafia are more likely to slip up in an explanation, and have to be careful in wording things, and there fore typically prefer to keep it simple and or claim that be defending themselves they would be called scummy. There is a fine line between explaining yourself, and going, "OMG! I didn't do that! You are lying" aka an over reaction. As for my point on Darthe, I feel that he just dropped the subject on you. Voting doesn't constitute as putting pressure on you and/or casing. The few since then comments were from recent events, not those that made him vote for you in the first place.

[Arez Al'Loke]

Listen.. This is the problem in trying to explain oneself...

 

First you write "By spammy I mean nothing that actually really contributes to the game."

 

Then you "and actually explaining yourself is LESS scummy to me personally"

 

But this is what I mostly did after Darthe accused me of being scum, I never spam. I always have some point with my posts. Defending isn't spam, so I haven't really spammed anything.

 

Now to be a bit more productive, I was re-reading a tad and noticed something that Peace said that pinged me.. I'll get back on that.

[Little Miss]

*sighs* Those two have nothing to do with each other.

 

#1. You haven't cased any one, or even given your thoughts on anything really happening in the game. You haven't done much at all but little posts. Hence the "not contributing part" in my book.

 

#2. You started off your post saying "I'm sure you will just say I am scummy because this post will be about addressing that you said about me". I was trying to explain to you that I prefer explanations to what you have been doing so far this game. Since I find logical explanations and thoughts to nothing at all less scummy. I ALSO explained why nothing at all pings me over explaining.

 

 

Don't confuse the two. One point was addressing Past actions and the other is explaining my views on your current actions (aka explaining yourself)

[Arez Al'Loke]

What I meant was, clearing myself from the scum list does actually contribute to moving the game forward.

[Little Miss]

No one but the dead are cleared from the scum list. :P

 

My list wasn't who I thought was scum, it was people who I find interesting.

[Ironeyes]

I'm interesting... in many different ways...

[Razen]

Ok, I've compiled my cross check list like I stated yesterday I would do.

 

Vote Count:

 

Nolder (13) - Mynd, Darthe, BG, songstress, Razen, Kaylee, kae, Nyn, Little Miss, Lenlo, Key, Ironeyes, Piano

 

On my read through..of the players who voted Nolder these 3 seemed to defend EP specifically by all saying he seemed to have a calm reaction to Mynd's proposal and vote on him.

 

Little Miss

 

Ail Heart

 

Darthe

 

The following didn't agree with Mynd's theory but didn't vote for Nolder. Their intentions should be considered still.

 

Piano

 

Key

 

Razen

 

Kae somewhat...Mynd being Mynd but thought theory was crap

 

Looks like we have 7 that meet the criteria. I personally think the first 3 are the strongest possibilities.

 

I think Mynd being Nk'd gives even more credence to his theories about scum on the latter Nolder train or defending EP. I think the defending EP group is more telling though so I am going to start off by VOTING LITTLE MISS. As she is the first on the list I made. But I'd be happy to look at Ail Heart or Darthe too.

 

This is Peace’s list, referring to back to Mynd’s theory and who agreed with it and didn’t. I would like to point out that the second category is incorrect. Myself, Key, and Piano all DID vote for Nolder. I would like to point out that just because Mynd was NK’ed does not automatically mean that he was on the right track. They could have killed Mynd to send us in completely the wrong direction – something that Peace is using Mynd’s logic for.

 

Peace - For his weak casing against me, and ignoring my comment about how accommodating he started being to Mynd about half way through night phase. His case was poorly put together, and I was able to address his twisted statements, and comment about me defending EP by saying he was acting weirdly calm. (which he never replied to) Other than that, I haven't seen anything else from him. He seems to go with bandwagons rather easily.

 

 

I'm not sure what you mean by being accommodating to Mynd..maybe you can explain that better. But Mynd flipped town and EP flipped scum. You defended/accommodated scum.

 

All I said was you were 1 of 3 people to defend someone who turned up scum. At the time..that is what I saw as the scummiest actions to date. A place to start hunting. Not necessarily where my final vote will end up. You've brought this up several times. Why are you so worried about 1 vote? No one joined me either time I've voted you.

 

This is Peace’s response to Limi’s statement that he ignored her statement about his being accommodating to Mynd. Where did Limi defend EP? I see her arguing against the logic that Mynd used, but that doesn’t mean that she has to defend EP. Look at Nolder. He didn’t defend EP and attacked Mynd’s logic at the same time.

 

I wasn't the only one to point it out, about half way through the night Mynd suggested you look at the lists, which is how you latched on to me. You posted "Sure, would you like me to get on that?" By asking Mynd if you would like to do something for him based on a suggestion of his BEFORE we even knew if he was scum or not (especially since he was being watched so much and causing so much drama) seems like you were #1 ok with aligning your self with him and #2 falls under being "accommodating".

 

As for my supposed defending of EP, I've already explained myself. Being hard headed and disregarding my explanation gets you no where. The more I repeat myself the more fodder it gives weak cases like yours an excuse to call me defensive.

 

As for being worried for one vote, See above. I'm not. It's scummy to reply to your case, yet, it would be scummy to ignore you.

 

Here Limi points out that it would have been scummy regardless of what she did to address Peace’s case.

 

I don't particularly care for the snark and supposed "drunk mafia" going on in this game. Besides, there seems to be very little actual casing going on these days. That and Real life is also crazy (husband got deployed for a week long thing to protect the VP after we got back from camping and had to get stuff). I've been following as I can, but as I said in my first statement, it's not exactly play inspiring.

 

I really like how Peace has ignored my comments in my regards to his accusations, and the one's I have made about him. I feel you have a weak case against me, and I don't believe Darthe has made any thing against me at all except for the fact that I'm not overly active and "bandwagoning". Which might be because I get called out every time I make a post.

 

Now my thoughts.

 

The people sticking out to me :

 

Nyn - Pretty quiet this game, however not afraid to still call people out for reasoning, but still nothing to heavy when she does post.

 

Nae - Was very very against Mynd (mostly because he was being a jerk face) however I feel a little like she was abusing her "bulldog" nickname to make it seem ok. However going so hard against a townie who is now dead does make her look bad, and would be a stupid move on a mafia members part.

 

Arez - I REALLY don't like how he mostly bounces from quite to spammy. The one time he got called out on, he jokingly shoved it away, like "you don't want to do that" or "you radar is broken". It almost seemed to mild in a defense. Darthe also just laid off of him when he did those joking things. He got out of any real pressure and seems to be largely ignored.

 

Peace - For his weak casing against me, and ignoring my comment about how accommodating he started being to Mynd about half way through night phase. His case was poorly put together, and I was able to address his twisted statements, and comment about me defending EP by saying he was acting weirdly calm. (which he never replied to) Other than that, I haven't seen anything else from him. He seems to go with bandwagons rather easily.

 

Kae - I feel she is only spamming too, no casings, no real reasoning. I feel like she was quiet for a large portion and still isn't fully in the game aside from when people are drunkenly posting.

 

My vote is leaning towards Arez and Peace at the moment.

 

Limi’s suspicions. I think that she has given a lot more in terms of concreteness, names, and reasoning for why she thinks that way over Peace’s general names in his list. I agree with a lot of the points that she’s put into this list and I would like to add one of my own. Piano has acted a little oddly as well. He comes in, fully admits to playing drunk mafia, and then puts a vote on Darthe with little to no reasoning other than a bandwagon.

 

I still have a gut read against Ishy telling me that something’s not right there, but right now, I think that the biggest pings against me up to this point are from Peace and Piano. The genericness of Peace's list just stinks to me of a list of names without any real reasoning behind it other than who didn't agree with Mynd's theory. With how many names that gave us, it would be almost certain that at least one of those names was scum. I'm going to vote: Peace.

[Ironeyes]

Hmmm... somebody agrees with me. Wait, he's not alone. Why did I unvote Peace again?

[Ironeyes]

Oh, yeah! Cause Nyn was getting uptight about my case depending on Darthe being town. And now that we think he is...

[Aiel Heart]

I just realized that I never unvoted >.>

 

Unvote Vote Peace

[Ironeyes]

UNOFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Peace (3)- Marsh, Heart, Razen

Darthe (1)- Player

Player (1)- Tina

Hoof (3)- Basel, Sakaea, Key

Limi (1)- Peace

Arez (1)- Darthe

 

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

[Ironeyes]

Deadline?

[Songstress]

*heavy sigh* DONE!

 

OK, brace yourselves. This is a lot.

 

*** PART 1 of... several ****

 

I went through my entire list this time.

 

Basel: Votes appear to be backed up with decent logic. Seemed a bit defensive about Key's pointing out his "oddly specific" assumption regarding two scum teams, but nothing else has really pinged.

 

Darthe: Has been fairly inconsistent this game, which was pointed out many times over during his lynch train today. I got quite a few pings while updating my spreadsheet, so I can see why the train started. With an uncontested claim of cop, there is no point in rehashing any of that. Moving on...

 

Kae: Has not said a lot, but hasn't really pinged, either.

 

Kaylee: Very quiet. I think we need to hear more from her.

 

Key: Her posts have been logical and well backed up and I agree with much of what she's said... I haven't seen anything that makes me suspicious of her.

 

Len: Has not said a lot. One thing that makes me curious though, was his suggestion after Nol revealed that the town go for a no lynch and have Nol holster instead of shooting Mynd. Normally I'd expect a lot of people to point out this would give us absolutely no additional information aside from EP's flip and whoever scum chose to NK, but... nobody said a word. Would like to hear more from Len about his current suspicions.

 

Limi: The only thing that really stuck out to me was her reasoning for voting Nol:

As for Nolder, I'm not actually against his calling Mynd's theory BS, and being against it. Ishy (I believe) called him out to defend himself with out a Mynd interpretation, and instead, We are getting small snippets saying he isn't budging. I feel like he has almost given up by just being very stuck on mynd, while not really saying much for himself.

 

So For now, UNVOTE - VOTE NOLDER

 

I still think Mynd definitely needs to be watched.

 

EDIT: And in some crazy way, this "fighting" between them could be a ploy.

That struck me as a little odd, but most of what she's said has been pretty well backed up with reasons.

 

Nyn: Don't have a good read on her, as this is the first game I've even read with her in it. Most of what she has said has been reasonable, and I haven't seen anything that really pings me.

 

Pale: Has not even checked in. Soy, can we get a clarification on whether Pale is going to be replaced, or if his role has been eliminated?

 

Razen: The only thing that's really pinged me so far is this:

Now dealing with the whole Nolder/Mynd thing:

 

Given the flip of EP, I would like to look at who seemed like they were defending him the most. Levity/AH and Nolder are the two that stuck out the most.

 

 

What I am trying to illustrate is that players who have been mafia in past games are less likely to be mafia again. Now, Verbal would be the first to swoop in and say "THATS NOT TRUE" and he would be right in raw numbers. If you flip a coin 50 times, the odds of it flipping heads on the 31st time are the same as the 1st. Therefore, the odds of flipping 50 heads is 1/2. The LIKELYHOOD is not that simple since it would only take one tails to ruin the entire gambit. Still with me? Hopefully this will make sense now.

Verbal's not here so I guess I'll have to do

 

That's not true AT ALL

 

you're just as likely to scum every time you play a game (well actually the amount of players changes things a little bit)

in the recent past I got like 4 or 5 scum roles in a row for different games

what you're saying is entirely false and has no more bearing on the game than if we sorted players by their names in alphabetical order and said those most likely to be scum will be near the end

 

And then you follow all this BS up with a vote

unbelievable Mynd

 

Unvote: Nyn

Vote: Mynd

 

Other math?

 

Im getting this weird feeling. I kinda want to defend mynd a bit. I must be going crazy.

I dont have time to go through it all properly now but what mynd said at the start was true. D1 lynches often start for complete bullshit reasons on the hope we get one of the mafia. The fact that he just went for it and didn beat around the bush got everyone's tail feathers ruffed.

The ruffling got some interesting reactions though.

But yea, I think what mynd did at the start was just choose someone at random and put some values to it to see help give it some sway (next time just light a torch, works better Mynd ;) )

Im off to sleep. Start work really early again'

 

Peace out

I disagree

I've seen Mynd do just what you're saying before

this isn't how he does it

he actually tries to justify it by calling certain things scumtells and getting in the face of anyone who defends the person he's going after

then, if he feels like it, he'll flip and go after the people who agreed with his BS

 

the difference in this case is that he isn't accusing anyone of being scum for anything they did

he's essentially "picked at random"

that doesn't sit right with me

I have a feeling Mynd was aware of his own logical fallacy

my guess is he was betting no one else did

 

and hey imagine EP being a member of his scum team or a third party scum and we lynched him

imagine how long he could keep up lynching people based on this whole process if he "got it right" the first time

 

I don't trust it and I don't trust him

not this time

 

I took both of these to be attacks on Mynd, serving to push home the point that EP was not a random choice. However, the best defense is a good offense. Even if Nolder never explicitly mentioned EP in his posts, they are attacking the logical basis used to vote EP. I get the feeling that the logic would have been attacked regardless of whom Mynd has chosen to target, but the fact is that EP did end up flipping mafia. So I’m going to Unvote, vote Nolder.

You noted both Nol and Levity/AH as defending EP... But if as you noted Nol would have attacked Mynd's logic and voted him no matter who he chose to pull out of his theory hat, why does that make Nol more suspicious than AH?

 

 

Tina: In my notes on her, I am seeing a lot of "agreed with so-and-so's statement that"... Seems to have bandwagoned on others' reasoning quite a lot so far this game. Still, nothing has really stood out to me that I can point to.

 

.... stay tuned, part 2 coming up...

[Songstress]

Part 2 of ... ?? ...

 

A little pingier:

 

Panda (Arez): D1 joke voted on Mynd after serious gameplay began, then left vote on Mynd with reasoning that he saw leaving himself of his own potential scum list as hypocritical because he was purporting the list to be "pure math" and impartial. Extremely poor logic. Did not post at all for a full week after this. Jokes about Darthe's meta read on him and gives weak explanation (accounting for a couple of days, not a full week)... States he will not claim Darthe's vote on him is scummy but that he hopes he has made it clear he is not mafia. Note to Panda: This is not at all clear from your behavior.

 

Hoof: I think his overreaction to EP's flip was primarily a joke, but his reasoning for voting Mynd was a stretch, and he appeared to be trying to push the Mynd lynch after it had stalled by suggesting it would take a lot of work to get Nol lynched instead. Giving Ishy a free pass due to Drunk Mafia is a ping, as others have stated. His vote on Darthe today seemed to be primarily due to Darthe not following through on his stated intention to vote Hoof himself, which strikes me as odd.

 

Ishy: This one is mighty good at flying under the radar. When people have called him about leaving his vote on Kae all of Day 1, nobody even noticed that he actually did place a serious vote -- on Levity, accusing her of trying to protect EP and suggesting that either they are both scum, or Levi was positive that EP would flip town. When Levity replaced out of the game, Soy reverted his vote to Kae instead of leaving it as no vote. I wonder if he was hoping people would forget about that. His reaction to EP's flip did look a bit suspicious, as he was very vehement in his insistence that Mynd was town. When Nae called him on that, his response didn't really address her point. And of course, Ishy will comment that I always mistrust him in mafia games. Most of the time, it's warranted.

 

AH: After reviewing Levity and Heart's posts from D1, I'm getting the impression that the "defense of EP" thing has been blown out of proportion a bit. She has seemed a bit defensive and some of her reasoning for suspicions of others has been vague (specifically Nyn and Ishy). I'm curious whether she's actually suspicious of Hoof, Marsh and Player, as the word "interesting" is very neutral and does not indicate... well, anything really. I also noticed that she was the first to ask about Razen as if he had been inactive, and then Marsh followed up on that.

 

Nae: Pings a bit for her tunneling on Mynd D1. Some of her arguments were very vauge and general statements that could not be backed up with quotes or facts, and I noticed a few times where she attributed something to the wrong person. She has a good point about Ishy, though.

 

.... Part 3, coming up.... EXPECT MULTIQUOTES!

[Songstress]

Part 3 of ???

 

Walls of text!

 

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BG: Bandwagoned Mynd's vote on EP, then later backed off EP because of lack of support and went to a lot of effort to reinforce Mynd's theory without placing a vote based on it. Later he questioned Mynd's motivation in proposing the theory in the first place.

The question on my m(y)nd is what ol' Runner's motivation was in doing this. Was it a random notion? A carefully laid plan? A pot riling scheme? An effort to vet a teammate? All of the above?

Then...

I think that this early in the game, mafia will have laid low, defended a partner and attacked Mynd as an easier lynch based on what can be easily described as bad game logic by some. The most compelling defense of EP that meets these criteria at this point was that of Nolder.

 

Vote Nolder

The bit about what scum would be "most likely" to do here pings - it is, of course, the exact opposite of what BG did. He uses it to justify a vote on Nol, who turned out to be town, so... I guess that's not what scum was doing there.

Funny. I seem to recall you going with his 'crazy scheme'. At least initially.

 

 

Nyn

 

So? Nothing wrong with crazy schemes. I've gone along with my fair share and attempted a few myself. At very least, they draw in reactions, and at most catch scum right out.

Seems a bit defensive here about going along with Mynd's scheme

I must say, i feel QUITE certain Nolder is lying.

Oh-so certain Nol is lying... which, as it turns out, he wasn't...

Huh. Well. I told Nolder that I'd reveal if I was wrong, and I'll keep that promise. I'd rather wait till day though unless anyone has any objections?

And promises to reveal D2. I'm not voting BG, at least not yet, because he apparently has this thing called a real life. But just a reminder not to let him fly under the radar on this.

 

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Marsh (Ironeyes): Disregarding Chrissy's erratic behavior (pain and pain meds will do that to ya), and her personal disagreement with Mynd... from the time Marsh has come in to the game his behavior has been a bit odd as well.

And also, using your logic,since I disagree with your case on Nolder, I guess that makes me scum as well? Well done, you've nabbed three on Day One!!

 

Why are you now putting words in my mouth? This post of yours here is unnecessary and flavored with an overreaction. Nolder could have simply disagreed with my logic, but he didn't need to vote me for it. Re-read his postings and look at the language - he was setting up for my lynch to be my own fault yet he was pushing for it hard (see the one about "Why am I the only one voting him?"). This is a classic scum move.

 

That was sarcasm, Mynd, not overreaction. I feel the same as Ishy, even though I agree with your case on Nolder.

Here he backs up Ishy in his disagreement with Mynd, but also states he agrees with Mynd's case on Nol.

Nolder, on the other hand, won't let this go because its the only thing he's got right now to get me lynched. He wants to push the issue so that I look like I got poor, innocent EP modkilled because of my hypocritical bastard self.

You're right. I said I'd let it go and I kept going. I'm sorry.

I'm letting it go now though. I'm not going to say any more about it.

I will say that I have not pushed your lynch since this issue came up and it's somewhat annoying that you'd spin it like I am.

 

He freely admitted that if I claimed Finder of Healer that he would not unvote me.

I've seen you say this several times now. That didn't happen. You're lying and that speaks for itself.

 

You continue to think that Mynd is scum? Can you run down your reasons again just so the rest of us are aware without Mynds revisionist input.

That's a good way to describe it...

And then here he agrees that Mynd's case on Nol contains "revisionist input"

Vote Nolder.

Here he votes Nol without reasoning

Unvote, on the condition that I will vote you again tomorrow unless you do exactly as you said you would.

Then unvotes because of his ill conceived plan to shoot Mynd N1

If nobody else wants him to live, I'll revote Nolder. But I'm not hammering.

Then revotes, because apparently "nobody else wants him to live" - refusing to be the hammer, apparently trying to wash his hands of responsibility for his own vote.

Based on this, I’m thinking that the scum are railroading Darthe. There have been a lot of votes for him for weak reasons, all happening just after TinaHel voted him with a decent explanation. I think they just jumped on.

 

So… I’m going to vote Peacesells for now.

 

Hah. Loads of votes? Only three people are currently voting for him. But beyond that... taking this stance implies that you believe Darthe to be town. Why would that be, I wonder :P

 

 

 

Nyn

 

Good point.

'Cause I don't (I don't really think anybody's town at this point).

That was incoherent. Let me rephrase: I have no clue who is the enemy right now.

After voting Peace as possible scum railroading Darthe, citing "a lot of votes for weak reasons", and acting a bit defensive when he is called on it...

Are you seriously using Drunk Mafia^TM posts against me now? I promise you all, you don't want to vote me. I am going to bed in 15 minutes, and will be up in around 6 hours before work. I will check in once, and I ask that if I am at L-1 or L-2 that you all hold off on hammering til then.

 

Not happening. Last time I advocated letting a certain somebody speak before his execution, his defense somehow managed to hoodwink the town into letting him and his scum team win the game! From now on, WE KILL WITH SPEED!!!

 

I have no idea what you're talking about. Never happened.

 

You know exactly what I'm talking about, buster! That was the game where you pulled off that brilliantly timed unvote to get yourself vetted town.

...he subtly slips his unvote on Peace into a spam post... And then spends the next 20 minutes having an absolutely bizarre spam exchange with Ishy. I'm sure this was intended to look like Drunk Mafia, but I've been a part of quite a few Drunk Mafia evenings, and this was definitely NOT normal Drunk Mafia.

 

Today, he's tried to call out Razen for inactivity (when Razen posted just a few hours before)... and then this:

I'm interesting... in many different ways...

Is he trying to hint at something?

 

 

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One more post to come, with a vote.

[Songstress]

Part 4 of 4 (I promise!)

 

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Peace: This here pings me...

I think all of you getting too hung up on Mith's Math are completely missing the point. It's just a starting place. Although..it would have looked much better if he provided a list to choose from like he talked about instead of focusing on EP.

 

Providing a list..then discussing who to pressure would seem more town. Picking EP straight up is slightly suspicious, considering he said we should come up with a list.

 

Then if we were to follow his method we should not only pick someone who hasn't been mafia lately but who is also somewhat new. To increase the chances by HIS math.

 

Mith...why put the new player part in you proposal if you were just going to ignore it by picking EP?

At first, Peace seems to be OK with Mynd's theory but midly suggests it would have been better to provide a list instead of just voting EP.

 

And then here:

Is that why you didn't build a list like you stated when you made your proposal? Cause you'd be on it?

 

So in fact it was a trumped up play to try and lynch EP?

 

Mynd, that's a scummy play. I don't know how to do the red vote from my phone but once I figure it out I'll be adding my vote to you.

unvote Vote Mynd. I

He accuses Mynd of being scummy for not providing the list because he would hav ehad to include himself on it - which makes no sense, seeing as he knew his own alignment. He reiterates that assertion here:

Peace, your argument is that I am too much of a threat to let remain in a game because if I am mafia, I am deadly to the town. Doesn't that work the other way? If I am town, I am too much of a threat to the mafia?

 

 

That wasn't me. Personally I think you are good for the game as you are an interesting player and food at hunting scum however it looks like you outed yourself with your "theory" and didn't make the list you said should be made. A list that would include you.

Peace was the 7th vote on Mynd's train... then after two more votes...

This is some of the most ridiculous crap I've yet seen. Voting Mynd for being Mynd? He stirs the pot in every game people, it's what makes him dangerous. This train on him is lazy, weak and idiotic.

 

And dropping out of a Mafia game because feelings are hurt? Not even going to say anything.....

 

I agree. I suggest if everyone wants to rant against mynd y'all start a new thread and keep it outbid here. If I see anymore in this thread then I'm considering it game play and will have to think its an appeal to emotions plea.

 

There are some things nagging me about this whole set up. I've got some thinking to do on this. Therefore I am going to unvote before a runaway lynch happens. The biggest concern of mine has there been a real ploy here to make others vote mynd based on emotion? Has Christine really quit? Cause she continued to post after saying she was out? Was that a tactic?

 

 

Soy has said she is concerned inactive and shouldn't post. Is this hinderence imposed on her as a result of someone's role? If not why hasn't Soy just said she is out until a replacement is put in?

 

Alot to think about.

Unvote.

suddenly he's worried about a scum ploy to make people vote Mynd based on emotion, and unvotes before a runaway lynch can happen?

Due to further rule violations, EP Member of the Italian Mob had been Modkilled.

 

MYND, YOU SON OF A *****!!!

 

THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE!!!

 

YOU LUCKY LITTLE-

 

DAMN YOU! DAMN YOU AND YOUR THEORY TO HELL!!!

 

 

Seriously though, im not mad, just mystified. Mynd either got very lucky with his guess or he wove the whole theory, knowing that people would argue about it, and he picked EP (a scummate of his) as the target to vet him!

 

I like the latter option better.

 

unvote, vote mynd

 

You really think that this was a set up considering that EP insulted mynd and pretty much got modkilled as a result? Looks like complete fabrication.

 

unvote, vote blackhoof

Here he appears to be on Mynds side

Nolder, on the other hand, won't let this go because its the only thing he's got right now to get me lynched. He wants to push the issue so that I look like I got poor, innocent EP modkilled because of my hypocritical bastard self.

You're right. I said I'd let it go and I kept going. I'm sorry.

I'm letting it go now though. I'm not going to say any more about it.

I will say that I have not pushed your lynch since this issue came up and it's somewhat annoying that you'd spin it like I am.

 

He freely admitted that if I claimed Finder of Healer that he would not unvote me.

I've seen you say this several times now. That didn't happen. You're lying and that speaks for itself.

 

You continue to think that Mynd is scum? Can you run down your reasons again just so the rest of us are aware without Mynds revisionist input.

And here he accuses Mynd of revisionist input.

 

 

During the end of the Nol train, he held back from committing to a vote and looked pretty darn wishy-washy here:

We've got less than a day left. I really don't see a Mynd lynch happening...I mean c'mon..he nailed EP. He has to get some credit for that. Also, there is no reason to lynch Mynd if Nolder is just gonna shoot him during the night phase.

 

Nolder claiming Vig could be useful if he is willing to take action through consensus. But, we need to decide if it's worth lynching a claimed Vig to keep Mynd from being night killed. The Vig could also do more harm than could.

 

 

So, basically it's Mynd or Nolder and if Mynd is town it looks like both of them would die if Nolder uses his shot on Mynd.

 

Does this make sense?

And then of course we have the offer to follow up on Mynd's suspicions and cross reference the list of those who voted for Nolder and those who refused to vote for EP... which he posted after D2 began, strangely noting 4 people who actually did vote for Nol as not voting for him. Perhaps it's because he hasn't really played with EP, but insisting that those who pointed out EP as being "very calm" during his lynch train were defending him is a big mistake. EP is never very calm, he was acting very out of character, and in every case people have clarified that was meant as an FOS.

 

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Player: This one has been very inactive for the most part, and has shown up primarily to cast a vote and leave.

yes please. it make it easier for those of us who suck at working out time zones and daylilght saving and all that

 

ill be on tomorrow for real

Next post was 4 days later, to join in on the Nolder train.

My vote is already on him, and it's staying there.

I don't think I trust you anymore

 

Not when you have a role like vig. Besides, vigs are dangerous when they are not sure about who they kill. With the way you are playing, I'd be afraid to let you remain in the game with that power. Still, I'm pretty sure you are bullshanking us.

Well if that "overcome with guilt" thing means i'll die if I kill a townie you shouldn't be too worried right?

I'll kill you and die at the same time if you're town

If you are town..how in any since of the word is that outcome a benefit to town?

 

Are you town aligned?

people are presenting the vigilante role as dangerous but apparently if I kill a townie I die anyway so I wont go on to kill townies

that's assuming Mynd is telling the truth

 

and yes I'm town aligned

 

I dont like the first bolded part at all. You are only now suggesting that Kae is scummy cos she won't unvote your extremely scummy claim. Seems like you are clawing at things to take down with you

 

I also think that the way you almost quote your role PM was odd. You had it in speech marks so I assume it is a direct quote. Now that I find extremely detrimental to your situation

Rule 8

8. Quoting the Mod: You may not quote anything I say in PM or anywhere else about the game. You can’t game the mod. You can’t talk about what I said or may have said in my PM’s.

 

Soy has Mod killed once in this game for rule infraction. Your quote seems rather rule breaky to me if you were telling the truth

 

Now the last bolded part. I dont see how 3 dead townies is one night is a good thing in any way shape or form. If you were to miss kill then you basically move us to Day 4 just by the number of kills. Cos if we dont lynch you then who is next and what are the chances they are on the mafia team? You are effectively doubling the number of townie deaths if you are what you say you are and do what you say you are going to do. Not very town like play or reasoning on your part

 

The thing I cant figure out is that you would have to NK one of your own tonight to vett yourself. That is a very high price since one is already dead. Therefore I assume in doing this that you are using it as a cloak, expecting to die, to cover for a team mate.

 

I want to hear your reply before I vote you. You have till after I have made and eaten dinner

His behavior surrounding the hammer on Nol pings a bit, especially emphasizing the worst case scenario of leaving Nol alive... and seemed to be insinuating Nol was lying about his claim because he assumed Nol was quoting his role PM instead of paraphrasing and would have been modkilled for it.

Unvote

 

Vote Nol

 

I think it's the best bet at this point. Im off to bed now and you didnt convince me. If you are town Im sorry but it seems like the best option at this point

I shall now be sleeping and then working. Ill be back in about 20 hours

20 hours somehow turned into another 4 days, when he showed up to question Panda's inactivity

you are right. I overlooked him

I too am interested to see where he has gone too

And then the infamous drunken bandwagon vote on Darthe

You know what, I was trying to reread the thread and I started drinking wine

The wine had won so I failed in that read through fully but i think I got a pretty good feel for this all. Speaking of drunk mafia here I am

 

But VOTE DARTHE

I do believe it's the best option right now, and if not we will figure it out

 

I believe it's the best option right now to vote Player. "And if not, we'll figure it out."