Sorilea and Cadsuane Are Not Darkfriends

[dazparra]

Have seen posts here and on other sites pertaining to Sorilea and Cadsuane being darkfriends.

 

This in NOT the case, with them both working tirelessly on the side of the light to teach the dragon laughter and tears.

[Luckers]

We know for a fact that Cadsuane is not a darkfriend due to her POV in Winter's Heart (chapter 10 or 13, it's called Wonderful News) in which she thinks about how one of her great failures was a failure to weed out the Black Ajah. It is made very clear that she is not Black, nor even a Verin-style Light-oriented Black.

 

I personally do not believe Sorilea is a darkfriend either, but there is no proof one way or the other. Terez wrote out a very detailed piece on the possibility that she might be which included suggestive evidence to the effect.

[GB]

i dont think Cadsuane is a DF, she have had too many occasions so far to kill or hinder Rand's plans and she has only so far been helping him in her own way...and also as pointed above there is the quote from WH, about nearly weeding out the BA.

 

as for sorilea, i am still not convinced she is a DF though. it could be though, but i dont think so.

 

if she is then Amys would be the one to take her out...lol

[randsc]

Sorry, but platitudes about "working tirelessly" do not an argument make.

 

Cadsuane is hard to see as a Darkfriend, given the POV Luckers mentions. Not impossible, but hard. She could, for example, have been turned. Perhaps after having failed to root out the BA before they could turn her. Or she could have been working for a Foresaken interested in tripping up others' plans by rooting out the BA. But in general, it seems very unlikely that Cadsuane is a Darkfriend.

 

We have no such exculpatory POVs from Sorilea.

[Luckers]

Sorry, but platitudes about "working tirelessly" do not an argument make.

 

Cadsuane is hard to see as a Darkfriend, given the POV Luckers mentions. Not impossible, but hard. She could, for example, have been turned. Perhaps after having failed to root out the BA before they could turn her. Or she could have been working for a Foresaken interested in tripping up others' plans by rooting out the BA. But in general, it seems very unlikely that Cadsuane is a Darkfriend.

 

We have no such exculpatory POVs from Sorilea.

 

No, Cadsuabe being a darkfriend is impossible--the POV is very clear. As for her being turned, again no--the POV also rules this out, and she displays none of the characteristics.

[Hunter of Trollocs]

Didn't Sorilea open the box that lead to Rand's collaring? I could have sworn it was clear during those and subsequent chapters that Sorilea was a dark friend and used her relationship with Cads to find out how to open the box.

[damandred]

I think a wise one will turn out a DF, simply because there hasn't been one up till now. Maybe a clan chief aswell, Melaine and Bael???

 

No evidence Sorilea is a DF, Elza could of opened the box.

[Sharaman]

Don't forget Rand with his new-found DF-sensing power has met several of the Aiel chiefs and WOs.

[kght22]

didn't sim think something about being angry that cads hadn't been in her room? is it not possible that it was sim who opened the box? just because cads thought that not even a forsaken could open it without learning the weave or whatever doesn't make it true.

[Luckers]

Elza opened the box using rare weaves that SH apparently taught her. As per Brandon.

[kght22]

Elza opened the box using rare weaves that SH apparently taught her. As per Brandon.

 

yay, can you supply the quote so we can get past this nonsense.

[Luckers]

Question

How did Elza defeat the wards on Cadsuane's plain wooden box?

 

Brandon Sanderson

Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves, and in other ways made into a tool of Shaidar Haran. Not all of it was pleasant for her.

[Crowl Rife]

Would be interesting if Sorilea was a DF, but I don't think she is, and at this point I don't see the importance of her being one. Plenty of DFs already trying to undermine things.

[Sharaman]

What's interesting is that we haven't got much in the way of POVs from Sorilea, or Bashere and none at all from Alanna, Darlin, Amys, Dobraine, Rhuarc, Melaine and Bael.

This means they could be DFs on that count at least.

The only point of elimination would be if Rand's new power to hassle DFs is effective enough to work with anybody he randomly meets.

He's spent a lot of time with Bashere, Rhuarc, Dobraine since VoG.

He's spent some time at least with the Aiel chiefs and WOs.

So how effective is Rand's power and what are the limits?

Does he actually have to look for a DF or do they get all giddy if he just meets their eyes or does some major OP exercise in their presence ala Maradon?

[Duskfire]

What's interesting is that we haven't got much in the way of POVs from Sorilea, or Bashere and none at all from Alanna, Darlin, Amys, Dobraine, Rhuarc, Melaine and Bael.

This means they could be DFs on that count at least.

The only point of elimination would be if Rand's new power to hassle DFs is effective enough to work with anybody he randomly meets.

He's spent a lot of time with Bashere, Rhuarc, Dobraine since VoG.

He's spent some time at least with the Aiel chiefs and WOs.

So how effective is Rand's power and what are the limits?

Does he actually have to look for a DF or do they get all giddy if he just meets their eyes or does some major OP exercise in their presence ala Maradon?

 

He lined up all the Tairen Lords and walked down them until he got to Weairamon, and was actually dissapointed he was a darkfriend. I would say Rand is able to detect them now; probably some sort of Shadow taint or whatnot. Fain has been able to do the same thing now for ages; sense darkfriend, so its hardly new to the series.

 

In any case, zero possibility of Dobraine and Bashere being darkfriends. Who knows on the others.

[olso4644]

I also agree that Sorilea is PROBABLY not a darkfriend. I also believe that someone who is very close to Rand will end up being a darkfriend just because it makes Verinesque sense. I also sense that this will be either Bashere (I can't remember if he has any POV's which prove this not being true) or one of the Aiel. Sadly, for the purpose of a great shocker, Sorilea makes a lot of sense.