[ADVANCED/KITCHEN SINK] The Axe or the Hammer - GAME OVER

[Red2111]

i'm also posting this in big bright pruple font so it doesn't get missed.

 

 

I'm taking a brief LoA starting 12pm CST and will not beable to check in until Tuesday next week cause i don't have internet at my house right now.

[Nynaeve]

This is turning into a huge mess.

 

But I'm going to be relying on my instincts here and they say that BG is scum. Just because Red or Kae possibly got recruited doesn't mean that BG is out of the woods. For all we know he could be the one who recruited one of them. Everything is possible at this point, apparently. Yes, this whole thing needs to be figured out but not today... because I'm done carrying BG along this game. If he is somehow the finder, he's been the scummiest finder in my entire mafia gaming experience.

 

As for Red and Kae, I'd rather wait another day to decide on them. I don't feel comfortable offing Red when she's on LoA and unable to defend herself. Especially since I consider her to have the more important list of the two (aka the targeted people). I really do think we need more time and information from the two to properly scrutinize their behavior.

 

So in conclusion... since we can only lynch one person today, that's gonna be BG in my book, based on WHOLE game performance, as opposed to Red and Kae who have only started to ping me now. So, I'm not planning to unvote any time soon unless I find a very compelling reason to do so... or unless town is hard-pressed with a deadline (to avoid random lynch).

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[bgrishinko]

Seriously Nyn. Other than a crappy Day 1, I think I've played it pretty smart. Just so happens that not many people believe me is all, and therefore that makes me the scummiest Finder ever? Doesn't change I've told nothing but truth. I've discovered a second redirect. I've found Red to not be town. Lay off.

[Nynaeve]

And just a little add on.... People, start taking things in stride. This is the second time that we try to lynch BG and suddenly something out of the ordinary happens. The first time Maw suddenly out of the blue gets a one day viewing and he graciously views BG and confirms him as a Townie. We back off and then what happens? We lose our back up finder. Then votes build up on him again today (up to L-4) and suddenly BG claims that he viewed Red as Dragonsworn and Kae breaks the news that Red has (allegedly) been recruited.

 

While I haven't managed to figure out this whole Red and Kae deal yet....what I do know is that I'm not swallowing down BG's actions thus far. And to me it feels like he's been dragging us into more confusion the further we go into the game.

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[Nynaeve]

Seriously Nyn. Other than a crappy Day 1, I think I've played it pretty smart. Just so happens that not many people believe me is all, and therefore that makes me the scummiest Finder ever? Doesn't change I've told nothing but truth. I've discovered a second redirect. I've found Red to not be town. Lay off.

 

BG, my reasons stand as they are and I've explained them thoroughly.

 

Even if Red did get recruited last night her and Kae's information from before that still rings true to me. And since there's still no explanation to your claim of not being redirected on night 1 by Levity when you in fact were... I still think you're lying. *shrugs* I'm simply making the separation between what is happening with Kae and Red right now in regards to a cult..... with you sounding my scum alert for 3 days now.

 

 

 

Nyn

[Sakaea]

WTF you guys. yeah nice way to capitalize on me not being able to post. or did peole just miss me saying I DONT HAVE INTERNET AT THE FLAMMING HOUSE AND THEREFORE CANT RESPOND AFTER I GET OFF WORK.

 

 

seems like Kae is trying to capitalize on me not being able to respond honestly. i left work at 5:30pm CST and all she kept posting was "no response from Red on the QT board" yeah, kinda can't respond when i can't get on the flamming computer now can i?

 

 

also, for whoever said i was claiming to have been RB'd, i never said that. Kae's the one who said it. i dont know if was RB'd as I HAVEN"T BEEN ABLE TO CHECK THEM DAMNED QT BOARD. Ama posts our lists there, not through PM; we only know Kae was blocked N2 because we didn't get her list there.

 

 

Weak sauce Red. When he was redirected he got a name with his result. Him getting Dragonsworn and then not Lightsworn pretty much sums it up for me.

 

Player, usually when someone switches teams they are not allowed to post on their previous team's QT.

 

Red, if you can, post on our QT. My vote stands until you do.

 

 

did you ignore my post? i can't check it from work, and i don't have internet at the house. if you want to lynch your team mate over this, fine. smells to me like your might have been the one recruited, if the list from N3 is even real and are trying to get me lynched to help clear yourself.

 

 

If you aren't cult Red I dare you to produce your list of names.

 

Ama posts them on our QT board and Kae siad i was blocked (ie: we apparently didn't get my list) so even if i had access to the QT right now, i wouldnt' be able to post it. sounds liek you know i didn't recieve my list and want to use it as evidence to push my lynch.

 

 

 

It could be a gambit. Kae you said you would likely be recruited tonight right? So why would you sell out your future team when in all likelihood you will be trying to help them win tomorrow.

It seems a bad way of winning the game from your personal POV. Even if what you have done today is because you are town that will count for nothing once you get switched so to me that doesn't make sense

 

exactly. so the only thing that makes sense to me is she's tryign to use my alignement to clear herself and possibly take out the finder.

 

 

UNVOTE

 

VOTE: KAE

 

i was muling this over in my head last night, and i do think BG was redirected. i think Kae was either recruited (if her list can be believed) or has been scum this whole time and that she's trying to use me to get rid of two birds with one stone.

 

besides, i can't see Ama continueing to post the lists on the QT if one of use were recruited. it would give our recruiting team a major advantage imo.

 

While this isn't exactly an unexpected response, it seems...off to me. Ama just gave me my list on our QT. And if you can't access the QT from work or home, why don't you borrow someone's smart phone or something? Seems like every other person just about has one these days.

 

While I don't fully trust BG yet, I trust him at this point a tad more than I trust you. I also don't really want to lynch you while you're on LOA. But for now my vote stands.

[SBoydW]

WTF you guys. yeah nice way to capitalize on me not being able to post. or did peole just miss me saying I DONT HAVE INTERNET AT THE FLAMMING HOUSE AND THEREFORE CANT RESPOND AFTER I GET OFF WORK.

 

 

seems like Kae is trying to capitalize on me not being able to respond honestly. i left work at 5:30pm CST and all she kept posting was "no response from Red on the QT board" yeah, kinda can't respond when i can't get on the flamming computer now can i?

 

 

also, for whoever said i was claiming to have been RB'd, i never said that. Kae's the one who said it. i dont know if was RB'd as I HAVEN"T BEEN ABLE TO CHECK THEM DAMNED QT BOARD. Ama posts our lists there, not through PM; we only know Kae was blocked N2 because we didn't get her list there.

 

 

Weak sauce Red. When he was redirected he got a name with his result. Him getting Dragonsworn and then not Lightsworn pretty much sums it up for me.

 

Player, usually when someone switches teams they are not allowed to post on their previous team's QT.

 

Red, if you can, post on our QT. My vote stands until you do.

 

 

did you ignore my post? i can't check it from work, and i don't have internet at the house. if you want to lynch your team mate over this, fine. smells to me like your might have been the one recruited, if the list from N3 is even real and are trying to get me lynched to help clear yourself.

 

 

If you aren't cult Red I dare you to produce your list of names.

 

Ama posts them on our QT board and Kae siad i was blocked (ie: we apparently didn't get my list) so even if i had access to the QT right now, i wouldnt' be able to post it. sounds liek you know i didn't recieve my list and want to use it as evidence to push my lynch.

 

 

 

It could be a gambit. Kae you said you would likely be recruited tonight right? So why would you sell out your future team when in all likelihood you will be trying to help them win tomorrow.

It seems a bad way of winning the game from your personal POV. Even if what you have done today is because you are town that will count for nothing once you get switched so to me that doesn't make sense

 

exactly. so the only thing that makes sense to me is she's tryign to use my alignement to clear herself and possibly take out the finder.

 

 

UNVOTE

 

VOTE: KAE

 

i was muling this over in my head last night, and i do think BG was redirected. i think Kae was either recruited (if her list can be believed) or has been scum this whole time and that she's trying to use me to get rid of two birds with one stone.

 

besides, i can't see Ama continueing to post the lists on the QT if one of use were recruited. it would give our recruiting team a major advantage imo.

 

While this isn't exactly an unexpected response, it seems...off to me. Ama just gave me my list on our QT. And if you can't access the QT from work or home, why don't you borrow someone's smart phone or something? Seems like every other person just about has one these days.

 

While I don't fully trust BG yet, I trust him at this point a tad more than I trust you. I also don't really want to lynch you while you're on LOA. But for now my vote stands.

 

If she just gave it to you then what list did you give us?

[Sakaea]

Not just like as in she just did it, just as in only my list.

[SBoydW]

Ahhhh...

[Red2111]

BG not only do i find your N2 results to be odd, i also dislike how your all about proclaiming your faith in Kae's list of there being another RBer yet totally seem to ignore the possability that you were re-directed last night as well. espceialy since you said on thread that you were going to veiw me.

 

i'd really prefer a Kae lynch, as i think BG was honestly re-directed. but as the Kae lynch is goign no where and i've got 2 minutes until my LoA starts, i'll move my vote back to BG for self preservation and to help prevent a random lynch.

 

 

UNVOTE

 

 

VOTE: BG

 

 

While this isn't exactly an unexpected response, it seems...off to me. Ama just gave me my list on our QT. And if you can't access the QT from work or home, why don't you borrow someone's smart phone or something? Seems like every other person just about has one these days.

 

While I don't fully trust BG yet, I trust him at this point a tad more than I trust you. I also don't really want to lynch you while you're on LOA. But for now my vote stands.

 

peoples phones are a private thing imo, so asking to borrow a friend/familys smart phone for this is just a bit too tacky and makes me feel like i'm using them and invading their personal space. the only person i'd honeslty feel comfy with mooching off their phone like this is my mom, and she's up in Maryland

 

 

honestly, down here i can only think of 3 people off the top of my head who even have a smart phone that i know, so no, not everyone has a smart phone lmao. me and bubbba for instance, don't have one because we can't afford the extra $70's ontop of our already too high cell phone bill. we're with Verizon, and they charge 35 a line per month for the Data plan, i'd love to have it, but just can't justify the expense right now. and seriously, i can't see why the damned plan needs to be so high in the first place, cause it's not like the smart phones are exactly all that cheap either.

[Ledinna Sedai]

Unvote

for now. I don't see any point in voting on somebody that can't answer back. If Red still doesn't post in the QT after the LOA, or whenever she has the internet fixed, my vote is going back on her, though.

[bgrishinko]

I think we've heard enough back and forth already to make up minds Ledinna. We've both made clear enough defences and accusations. This is a highly unfortunate timing on the LOA for Red, but it doesn't change the evidence. And that it is basically decision time. I believe the 2nd redirecting action gives me back the real name like it did N2. Therefore I do not believe I was redirected.

 

A cult that is allowed to live is a cult that grows stronger every day.

[SBoydW]

Yeah, it is unfortunate. However, I'm not willing to put the game on hold for 4-5 days because a lynch candidate can't be around. It's the nature of the beast when playing a game like this online.

[dapianoplay3r]

I think we've heard enough back and forth already to make up minds Ledinna. We've both made clear enough defences and accusations. This is a highly unfortunate timing on the LOA for Red, but it doesn't change the evidence. And that it is basically decision time. I believe the 2nd redirecting action gives me back the real name like it did N2. Therefore I do not believe I was redirected.A cult that is allowed to live is a cult that grows stronger every day.

Underlined; Um no we haven't there is clearly one major thing missing. Red posting on the QT. I believe her LOA and lack of internet atm. To make up RL stuff to help you in the game is so... Unsportsman like that I will give her my trust that she has RL trouble for now

Bold;IMO four days is a long time to hold a lynch but when that lynch is so tied up in answering all the questions we have had since day one I could live with it. Plus her LOA does change the key piece of evidence. If she can post in the QT or not

 

Trying to get rid of someone who has a valid RL problem and is on LOA is just so so scummy

 

Vote BG

 

Yeah, it is unfortunate. However, I'm not willing to put the game on hold for 4-5 days because a lynch candidate can't be around. It's the nature of the beast when playing a game like this online.

Sometime I would like to add to you Soy. You are the one who first mentioned the cult. You are also the one who had the fight with Red about the cult. Now you are the one who backed up lynching someone who isn't there and has a RL excuse

Scummy scummy scummy

(well Culty more like)

 

 

 

 

 

Red: If you are lying about RL in any way that is just despicable and not in the spirit of the game. However, I do not believe you are so I hope you get everything sorted soon

[mmeeshal]

So did Red ever post on the QT, Kae? I'm curious here.

[Sakaea]

Not as yet, no.

[mmeeshal]

Hmmm....hmmmmmmmmm........

 

Okay, I'd really like to see BG gone and his alignment, at least, cleared up once and for all, so I'm leaving my vote there.

 

BUT, if Red's alive on the morrow, she gets my vote.

[SBoydW]

Red was my initial suspicion but I changed my mind cause neighborhood watch. But after I thought about it I was like, wtf, that might be a role but its not watcher and tracker.

 

Do we know how many mafia there are? I am sorry this thread is loaded with so much spam that its impossible to catch up. I gave up.

 

There isn't a list as was previously stated... but in a game this size... I would guess... if there isn't a cult the 5 maybe... with a cult 3-4... just guesses...

 

For everyone to see. This is the post that I mentioned the cult in. It was in response to Cuathon asking if there was a list of roles or something like that.

 

Yeah, it is unfortunate. However, I'm not willing to put the game on hold for 4-5 days because a lynch candidate can't be around. It's the nature of the beast when playing a game like this online.

 

Sometime I would like to add to you Soy. You are the one who first mentioned the cult. You are also the one who had the fight with Red about the cult. Now you are the one who backed up lynching someone who isn't there and has a RL excuse

Scummy scummy scummy

(well Culty more like)

 

 

Bold - see previous quote.

 

Italics - "Fight" is a bit of a strong word. and one in which she brought up the cult. My mention was over 20 pages ago, and meesh had a much more detailed post about the cult right after me.

 

Underlined - You're trying to make it sound like I rallied the mob against someone would couldn't defend themselves. I made my case and cast my vote all while Red was here and she posted her defense. I'm just not taking my vote off. I won't bring any new attacks against her while she isn't here to comment on them, but I'll continue to drive home the points I've already made and she has already posted her defenses to. I mean if we're going to stop playing every time someone has to step away for whatever reason, these games would never finish. So as the old adage goes (with a bit of a modification) "The game must go on"

[ed2funy]

BG

[dapianoplay3r]

is that a lynch?

[Sakaea]

I think that puts BG at 7 votes and Red at 8 votes.

[dapianoplay3r]

oh good. I thought it was more for some reason

[Amadine]

Vote Count:

BG (6) - Meesh, Nyn, Turin, Red, Player, Ed

Red (7) - Soy, Maw, BG, Womby, Kae, Nolder, Tina

Not Voting: Corrosive, Verb, Ishy, Des, Ledinna

18 players = 10 to lynch

 

 

 

[ed2funy]

Just a wee bit off, Kae.

[Sakaea]

Yeah, I see that, lol