[ADVANCED/KITCHEN SINK] The Axe or the Hammer - GAME OVER

[Nolder]

Geez, people. I realize i've been kind of inactive, but really? Two pages since I've checked this thread?

 

Anyway. From my slightly skimmy catchup, cauthon is pinging me. Although I don't remember why. My subconscious is telling me to lynch him. So Cauthon.

 

Also, never go up against a sicilian when death is on the line.

 

Also, nice play by ed on pointing out that vote control.

 

That is all. Probly for the next day or so.

scummy vote imo

I would probably lynch Maw over this but I'm willing to leave him for later in the game

[John E. Kelley]

Wasn't Corrosive supposed to get lynched today?

[Nolder]

Ok folks, here's the thing. Remember yesterday when I got switched? I viewed Boyo and got lightsworn. Apparently I was switched to Nyn though. Remember the confusion about whether I should get soys name back or Nyn's? I got Soys name... Well, today I call BS to all that. I know for certain my viewing was redirected last night. I was returned a different name than I submitted.

 

Maybe Cuathon's predecessor got RBd night one? But check Reds list on that. Also, since I know I was redirected last night,either Cuathon is lying, or Red is hiding another switching role.

 

This is the entire reason why I'm voting Cuathon.

 

So Red, Cuathon? One of you needs to get their story straight.

wait wait

so N1 you viewed Soy and were supposedly switched to Nyn

you got Soys name back though

N2 you...viewed A but got B's name back

 

unless I'm very confused I don't see a discrepancy in the story here

[Nolder]

Well I am going to check in here once a day tops. I am somewhat glad I didn't slog through the 500 or so spam posts in this thread since it would have been a waste of hours of my life since I'm getting lynched the first day in. Given that I am town and haven't been acting at all suspiciously in my opinion I can only conclude that it is some sort of culture clash that people are pinging off me so hard when the stuff I have been doing has never been considered scummy in other places I play. Again I am not taking it personally, I just don't think my chance to get the wagon off me is high enough to justify the time it would take. Since it looks like the player base here isn't viable for my huge size game, and I dislike both joke votes and the various excessive types of spam posts, I will bid you all fair well after this mafia. Now hurry up and lynch me. And since asking to be lynched is pretty much an anti town play, maybe just do a policy lynch on me :)

 

Also Cuathon... As of this whiney post about people being predjudice against you, you had a total of 2 votes according to Ama's vote count. Cut the I'm new at DM meta out and make an efficient casing on Red or whoever you think is being manipulative.

rule #14 @ Cuathon

 

 

UNVOTE VOTE: CUATHON

 

for the first time in my mafia career i'm voting a person for non-game related reasons. i'll leave it at that.

very rude of both of you regardless of your alignments in the game

[Nolder]

Cuathon this is my first and only warning as DM Staff. continue with the personal insults against me (or in the case of your other post, the entire DM mafia player base) on this thread and there will be action taken against you, i was willing to shrug off the idiot comment as playful banter but calling me in any way Moronic is stepping over the line.

 

i don't like pulling out the mod stick and thwaping people with it, especially not in my own forum, but you seriously need to chill with the name calling.

I strongly disagree with pulling rank on someone while you're both in a mafia game

if someone had to do it couldn't you have asked another staff member not in the game?

and on that note...

 

and yes, calling my playstyle moronic is in effect calling me a moron.

I really don't agree with this either

IIRC the Debates forum makes a distinction between saying "your argument is stupid" and "you are stupid"

I'll grant you this isn't the debate forum but as you seem to be a regular poster there I'd think you'd be more aware of the difference between the two statements and realize what he said was not meant as an insult

or at least it did not read as such to me

what I saw was someone new who was extremely frustrated with your playstyle (I'm not sure I've seen anyone say they like it, I know I sure don't, it makes you very hard to get along with in mafia games) and telling you why he thinks it's bad

[Nolder]

Game wise, he is also a somewhat confirmed redirector which is usually anti-town. This lynch will also give some info.

"some info"

ehhhh

this sounds lazy

like you just want him dead

I dunno

minor ping

[Nolder]

I just got one quick question: shouldn't we be trying to make this place more hospitable for mafia players new to DM? Isn't that a goal, to help make people who are on the outside coming in feel more welcome? It seems like everyone's trying to come down on Cuathon now for stating that he basically doesn't feel welcome in this kind of environment, and saying he needs to adapt to our way or GTFO? Is that really the kind of atmosphere we're trying to generate here?

 

I know I might be in the minority on this issue, and I know my beliefs regarding this topic might not be that popular with most of the players here, but frankly I'm shocked at the reaction many are exhibiting towards Cuathon. Not to mention it seems almost definite that mafia would have no problem jumping on his lynch since he seems like an easy lynch candidate.

glad to see I'm not the only one upset about how Cuathon was treated

[Nolder]

FoS at player.

 

it may be time to look at Red and Kae.

ping

 

edit: gonna stop here for the night

almost done catching up I think

[hazelkrs1]

Ishy, what was corrosive supposed to get lynched for today? Plus, I think it's fairly obvious he's going to have to be replaced...

 

Nol, I dunno what to say about the whole VC thing and how to defend myself better. I was confused about something, which Red finally cleared up better for me. If I had a QT however, you can be damn sure I wouldn't have been posting those questions in thread, just to receive attention and focus from others. More of a jesterish move than a scummy move, and I can assure you I'm no Fool

[Nynaeve]

Hey guys... I don't want to be a pain but I've actually gave my input about most if not all comments that I'm quoting bellow. I'm gonna give a very nutshell response but if you look through the last couple of pages again you could read my full thoughts (assuming you're interested).

 

 

Okay, whatever BG is, he's not scum. I scanned him and he came up as town, remember? I don't see a way that my one-shot view during the day could have gotten a wrong result unless bg was the godfather, and we lynched him a couple days ago. So while I don't particularly feel that red and kae are scum, I see no reason at all to continue attacking bg. We're as sure as we can be that he's on our side, and I really don't see a point in continuing to pursue him.

 

Why are we as sure as we can be that he's on our side? Hardly. The only thing BG has going for him is that you confirmed him as the cop but you yourself aren't a confirmed townie or anywhere close to it. BG has been acting scummyish since day one and now his claims of what has happened to his actions during the night contradict the words of a CONFIRMED townie re-director. So I'm sorry to burst your bubble here, but BG is far from being out of the woods.

 

 

Also... How would it help scum? You guys already said you can't match-up actions with people. The only way I could see it helping scum is that the list matched everyone up... So how exactly would it help scum? You gave out n1 results... why not n2?

 

I addressed this in my earlier posts. The targeted list would help us vet out every scum that makes a false role claim if the person they allegedly targeted doesn't appear on it. Or at least make scum think twice before false role claiming because it would be a lot harder to keep us fooled. Yes, they could off one of them during the night, but it would confirm the other one for us + they might get the one they don't want (aka the one with the role list) and that would leave us a confirmed townie with the ability to see all night actions... that would likely be protected every night by the healer.

 

 

To be honest then their reasoning is lame. The mafia can just take them both out. Or just one... Neither list is any good by itself so who cares who has what list. Just saying my vote will be going on either red or kae tomorrow I think their both scum.

 

I disagree and I think you're being too quick to dismiss this. They can't take them both out because the second we get the coroner report then the other one gets confirmed. And then instead of running around like headless chickens, we'd be a lot more focused since the doubts about whether or not Red and Kae should be trusted would be lifted.

 

 

Wasn't Corrosive supposed to get lynched today?

 

This post pings me. Why, are we not following your planned schedule? :P

 

 

wait wait

so N1 you viewed Soy and were supposedly switched to Nyn

you got Soys name back though

N2 you...viewed A but got B's name back

 

unless I'm very confused I don't see a discrepancy in the story here

 

I think you are a little confused. I know you're still in the middle of rereading so I won't nag you about me talking about this already. I'll just sum it up to you.

 

Night 1: Levity/Cauthon redirected BG from his initial target (Soy) to me. BG claims he did not get redirected. Both Soy's name and my name appear Red and Kae's list.

 

Night 2: Cauthon redirected Ishy on ed. BG claims he was redirected. We did not receive

whatever list Red got.

 

 

p.s: I bolded what we know for a fact, now that Levity/Cauthon flipped town.

 

 

Hope that helps. =)

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[Amadine]

I have spoken to Verb and he will be back with us soon.

 

For now we are in night phase and will stay that way until the 27th. When i am preparing to break day i will prod those who have not been around and will modkill if necessary - at 1300+ posts i now feel it's unfair to expect a replacement to be able to catch up.

[Sakaea]

Why do I have this sickening feeling that Red, Kae, and BG are scamming us all... I really don't like that people who have already claimed roles won't reveal any information... I'm still catching up but as far as I've seen Red has only revealed N1 actions and and neither red nor BG have revealed N2 actions. Reasons: Red supposedly wanting to protect which of the two roles she and kae has, and bg for some odd reason won't reveal until red does... it's all to twisted to me...

 

I also find it interesting that the mafia didn't simply whack one of those three. I mean that's three reveals and the mafia hasn't even taken a shot at one of them? I don't like any of their reveals and frankly am starting tho think they're all full of it.

 

Well, I also am starting to feel like BG is scamming us, but you have my word that Red and I are telling the truth. I know you don't know me very well, but I hope those of you in this game who do will vouch for me that when I give my word, I don't go back on it, and I'm not lying.

And I also find it surprising that the mafia haven't taken a shot at BG, Red, or myself, unless it's because they can never be sure who the doc chose to protect, and don't wish to risk wasting an NK.

 

 

You have eased my troubled soul... And not to be offensive or anything... but the most honest person in real life can be the biggest lying liar who lies in mafia. It's part of the game.

 

 

*grumbles incoherently about Eds and birds and being squished*

 

Yeah, I thought that the whole thing with the N2 lists was that they didn't want to reveal who got what list--if Kae was blocked, then they'd only have one list to share, and everyone would know which one Red got, and therefore, the mafia would know who to target to take out whichever list they liked least.

 

That's all been laid out.

 

To be honest then their reasoning is lame. The mafia can just take them both out. Or just one... Neither list is any good by itself so who cares who has what list. Just saying my vote will be going on either red or kae tomorrow I think their both scum.

 

 

While I realize the first post is sarcastic, this being 6am, and me being awake for 15 minutes, the sarcasm went woosh over my head.

Nyn already said it, but I think you are dismissing us way too easily. I will reiterate: as soon as one of us is lynched or NK'd the other is vetted. Then you all believe us, but our usefulness is cut in half.

So FOS you and BG and Maw. You for dismissing us so easily. BG, because I don't think he's our finder, and I think he's scum, and if BG is scum, so is Maw.

 

 

Now, where's that coffee...

[Turin Turambar]

If I understand the situation with BG:

 

N1: He claims he put in Soy and got back viewed Soy as LIGHTSWORN. He claims he was NOT redirected. Levity the confirmed town redirector claims to have redirected him to Nyn. Levity's name does not appear on Red & Kae's lists so she couldn't have been blocked allowing BG's claim to be correct. (BG does appear on the list which would appear to support Levity's claim)

N2: He claims he put in A and got back viewed B as LIGHTSWORN. He claims he was redirected. The town redirector claims to NOT have redirected him.(Cuathon claimed to have redirected Ishy unto Ed) We don't have the list to show if BG was targeted or not.

 

So then is it proper to believe one of the following:

 

1. There is some other form of redirector that either redirected Levity's redirection or also redirected BG?

2. By some random effect the Mod elected to NOT tell him he was redirected N1 but elected to tell him N2.( I know, don't game the Mod)

3. BG is a lying liar that lies.

 

Also, does anyone know what the heck a check action is? I thought it might have something to do with the lists Red and Kae get but Kae's name doesn't appear on the list.

[Netbattler11]

If you think bg and I are scum-buddies, than lynch me and have done with it... That should at least vet bg.

 

If I can't trust that my viewing was correct, than the mod is a bastard.

 

I'm really getting very tired of all this.

[Sakaea]

^^ Classic scum tactic, getting frustrated and asking to be lynched. You're not really helping your case, Maw.

[Sakaea]

At least IMHO you're not.

[Turin Turambar]

Maw, your viewing is BG's saving grace at this point. I can't really see you as his teammate which means there is either something wrong with your view(idk how it could be wrong. did Ama say if it was 100%?) or some wacky stuff is going on at night. I just am trying to get my head around his results and how they match up(or don't) with the words of a confirmed by death townie.

[Nynaeve]

Turin, the thing is that I find it rather hard to believe that on night 1 a re-director just happened to re-direct Levity when she was redirecting BG (lol that's quite a mouthful). Also, I don't think option 2 is a viable one. On both nights BG claims to have been given back a name with the result of the viewing. So yeah, at this point I'm leaning towards BG being a lying liar :P

 

So, it's time for one brave soul to do a recap... and I'm guessing that's gonne be me :P So lets see what BG has been up to throughout the game. I'm only gonna quote relevant stuff but I'll try and give page numbers if anyone wants to look into anything specific. I'll write down my thoughts in some of it... but the main point is to put things in order and have a good overview of BG's actions to manage to find contradictions.

 

Warning: this is going to be LONG. :/

 

 

Day 1:

BG checks in but says he's going to be away for the weekend. He shows back at page 10 all ready for a reread. His first post after his return is on page 13.

 

Vote Levity

 

He is then asked by Meesh why he voted Levity. He gives a lengthy response about his take on how to play on day 1. I'll just quote the relevant part.

 

 

It comes back to feelings to me. Therefore Levity and yourself have given me the most weary feelings. You were in a discussion with Red and didn't want to inturrupt that, so I'd thought I'd put my say on Lev. If you want, I can move to you and we can go from there.

 

Meesh asks why oh why does he find her and Levity suspicious.

 

If I had kept notes, then probably, and I'll probably need to go back eventually and get something to back it up, maybe later.

 

First time he promises to back and check why he found Meesh and Levity suspicious. Meesh tells him off about it. And this is his reply:

 

Unvote Vote Meeshy

That's exactly the kind of reaction I was looking for. Large and over blown. Most town woulda shrugged it off I think.

 

Plus I'm on my phone right now, so I can't go get quotes and whatnot.

 

Second time he gives an excuse for why he has yet to provide the reason he found Levity and Meesh suspicious.

 

So yeah, anyhow... everything goes downhill for poor BG from that point onward. Meesh votes him and ed FoSes him. Nolder Disagrees with BG's reasoning for voting Meesh. And then comes distraction time...as the whole huge discussion with Meesh and Boyo about Amega and Nolder ensues (with BG participating as well) . I'm not going to go into quote mode on that because it didn't contain anything I find useful in regards to BG. But anyway, this whole discussion goes on in page 14 and a bit of 15. On page 15 it gets back to the topic of BG. BG tries to explain again why he voted Levity and then Meesh without actually providing any new information (he just quotes his posts in the game thus far lol). It's a long post, but feel free to check it out in the indicated page. Meesh doesn't seem to buy it either. Soy doesn't as well and places a vote on him.

 

On p.16 Nolder steps in and asks for the discussion to move along to something else. BG posts right after.

 

Fair enough. I will wait and see what future days hold. Now i should go back and find what bugged me about levity. Don't remember exactly where it was Exactly. Right, meesh, truce for a bit?

 

Third time he promises to go back and actually give us a reason for his actions. ANY REASON lol This is followed by red questioning BG again about his vote on Levity. Then there's a shift into the discussion about a possible connection between Nolder and BG. Again, not gonna get into the specifics of that. There's just a lot of posts by Meesh, Boyo and Nolder. No BG sighting though. Until the end of p.18!

 

Unvote: Vote Soy

 

Going back now to review what I thought of Lev.

 

*laughs* Okay, this is getting a little ridiculous, isn't it?

 

And then on the beginning of p.19!

 

Okay, as for Lev, I've got pretty much all her quotes here ignoring the first few. I've been able to pinpoint what was irking me, she's been super apologetic about everything even when there wasn't a need, even for other people. When she does say something that is in the on the offense, it is in a very kind way, or apologizes later. Very careful not to make enemies that way. That's not necessarily scummy, just off from most people. Maybe its just her playstyle... but I don't know that. I just got a feeling is all. Either way, it seemed like a good reason to apply some pressure.

 

[insert all apologetic posts]

 

lol Really? Also, where's the reason you also find Meesh suspicious right off the bat?

 

 

Onward to p.20 we go where Nolder and Boyo keep at it. Then BG whips out a list of all the players with the amount of posts each has made. Meesh mentions the whole 'BG voting her' topic again and BG reminds her it's in their best interest to remain in a truce and supports Nolder's earlier request in moving on. I believe it's also where he drops his first clue of being a cop (no doubt anticipating that he's in trouble).

 

Besides, not to spell it out to you, but the asute reader would know that my ask for a truce was in our best interest.

 

Page 21 flies by with nothing of interest. On page 22 there's suddenly a shift towards voting BG. Wombat, Meesh and Ishy vote him (up until then Nolder was in the lead to get lynched with 5 votes on him - Pandy, Turin, Soy, Hoof, Ley. BG and Des were voting for Soy).

 

Page 22 and 23 nothing of consequence. On page 24 Maw casts his vote on BG. Then Soy switches to BG. Leyrann/Loki switches to BG. Blackhoof switches to BG. And then... BAM. Ledinna drops the bomb of voting for Levity. Still, the voting on BG continued with Turin switching his vote to BG (p.25).

 

p.26 BG sprinkles more seed about him being important to town.

 

I think Wombat figured me out and wants to eliminate me before I can do any damage to the mafia.

 

Unvote. Vote: Ledinna

 

Let's get this narrowed down and focused now so we can come to consensus.

 

Ishy, I can completely understand your view of my play style this game. You are not wrong that I seem off. If you read carefully, you might learn why.

 

Sorry, don't worry about it then. I had hoped someone might have picked up on it, but I suppose I was wrong. At this point, even if someone did, it was probably scum. I don't have a super secret plan per se, but I had hoped to draw in some negative attention... prevents me from getting NK'd... turns out I drew in too much it seems. If I get to L-3 or L-2 I'll reveal.

 

On p.26 Spirit puts his/her vote on BG. p.27 Leelou/Tina votes BG, making it L-3. Now I find it rather convenient that BG says he'll reveal on L-3 and then in the matter of about 2 hours after BG's above post, Spirit votes him and 2 hours after that Tina does, giving BG the place to seem as if he was hard pressed to reveal his role. There was no rush to vote quick with no deadline. Yet two players come out of the woodwork and vote him. Now, even though this is a casing about BG... look at Tina's vote.

 

BG - I have no idea what you are hinting at. First, I´m not that smart when it comes to reading between the lines. Second, I´m a bit annoyed by the bread crumbing that many use to prove their role or alignment with. It´s not true just because someone has put it out there.

Unvote. Vote BG.

 

 

Then comes the forced reveal:

 

check the capital letters. I had hoped at least one person woulda caught this. Spell it out I said... Ah... It was intentionally super vague in the hopes at least one person would get it and stick with me. I thought maybe Nolder noticed since he commented on it before... Kinda think Wombat may have gotten it still and may not be admitting it. This all went sour on me.

 

For anyone who doesn't remember, the capital letters spelled: Finder :P Anyways, Ledinna switches her vote to BG. Making it L-2. Then soon after the first person to unvote happens to be Tina.

 

I will unvote to see what you all say about BGs reveal. As I said before, I don´t like these sort of hidden messages. Just because you hinted at being finder before doesn´t mean that you actually are one. If you are the finder I don´t want to leave you at L-2 so mafia can come in and hammer you. Ledinna´s vote is again weired.

 

FOS on Tina. She gives BG exactly the excuse he was looking for to reveal (along with Spirit's help). She includes as part of her reasoning: "It´s not true just because someone has put it out there." And then when BG 'puts it out there' she leaps to buy the reveal and unvotes? Using a lame L-2 excuse (which I don't personally think was that pressing. L-1 would have been) AND throwing in and 'Oh look at Ledinna, she looks pretty scummy, doesn't she?'.

 

ANYHOW, at this point votes seem to start streaming off BG and towards Ledinna. Nolder (who did not have his vote on BG) votes Ledinna first. The following switch to Ledinna: Key, Wombat, Leyrann (all on p.28 for reference). Then on p.29 the switching continues: Maw, Ishy. Then Wombat unvotes cause they're L-1 and they want to hear out Ledinna first. Soy votes Ledinna before she shows up, making it L-1 again. Ledinna shows up but doesn't really manage to convince anyone to unvote... as Blackhoof votes her thinking his vote made it L-1, but really he hammered the last nail in her coffin.

 

 

And that concludes day 1 ROFL

 

I shall continue the casing after a cup of coffee :P

 

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[Nolder]

I explained it. Kae. My finder move was moved. I wanted a confirmation of this from Red, but that apparently is out of the question for some reason, which seems unfathomable to me. I'd think you'd want to vet yourself.

 

Yesterday I submitted Soy, got soy back as town. Today I submitted A, and got B back as town. I doubt two redirectors, but I believe a switcher/bus driver are an option. Therefore I'm extremely suspicious of A.

Therefore since Cuathon was telling the truth, I think you and Red are intentionally hiding something.

Or you were just trying to get Cuathon lynched.

 

what Meesh said

it was already explained at this point why it would be a bad idea for Red to reveal the N2 info (although I still find the fact that Sakaea could be roleblocked in the first place very strange) so I don't get why you're still pushing

[Nolder]

...

And since Cuathon said he redirected Ishy onto Ed....if we have two redirectors (one now) the second person didn't use their NA night 1 because night 1 there was one redirection. So can you explain how you know and quote for me where you say you were redirected? Cus I don't believe you at this point in time.

if there were two redirectors why wouldn't one of them use their power on N1?

I thought you guys see a list of roles used not the number of times they were used

for example if there is a mafia kill, a SK kill, and a vig kill all on the same night all you get as a result is "Kill" right? and then the other person gets a list of who was targeted

 

or do I not understand how this works?

[Nolder]

But Levity wasn't targeted.

 

Also, if anyone is wondering, I'm just camping on this page and reloading it periodically, otherwise I can't get it to load hardly at all.

wait so Levity wasn't targeted (ie roleblocked or redirected/switched) N1?

 

well then BG is lying

period

I see no other explanation

and honestly that kind of solves my Maw issue too since I find his roleclaim the strangest out of anyones so far

a one shot cop check in a game that already has a cop? and a mason watcher/tracker team? and he could use it during the day? ehhhh yeah no

 

he must be a scumbuddy that came to the defense of BG while he was down in order to psuedo counter claim the masons and try to get them lynched

idk that makes more sense to me than the other way around right now

[Nolder]

I'm gonna say it again. We don't want to give you the list we received for Day 2 because it helps the scum more than anything else. You continuing to not see that, and not even really address that fact makes me suspicious of you. Everything Red and I have said is nothing but the truth. You, on the other hand, I feel are lying to us.

 

Also... How would it help scum? You guys already said you can't match-up actions with people. The only way I could see it helping scum is that the list matched everyone up... So how exactly would it help scum? You gave out n1 results... why not n2?

it was explained already

if they give the n2 LIST (ie Reds list) scum will figure out which is the watcher and which is the tracker and may be able to use that to their advantage

[Nolder]

*grumbles incoherently about Eds and birds and being squished*

 

Yeah, I thought that the whole thing with the N2 lists was that they didn't want to reveal who got what list--if Kae was blocked, then they'd only have one list to share, and everyone would know which one Red got, and therefore, the mafia would know who to target to take out whichever list they liked least.

 

That's all been laid out.

 

To be honest then their reasoning is lame. The mafia can just take them both out. Or just one... Neither list is any good by itself so who cares who has what list. Just saying my vote will be going on either red or kae tomorrow I think their both scum.

currently thinking it's you, BG, and Maw myself

 

edit: stopping here for now

so close to being done catching up...

[Nynaeve]

Day 2:

 

I viewed someone who was against me yesterday and got LIGHTSWORN as a result. I'd like people's opinions on if I should say who. I'd rather not right now unless bad things start happening to said person.

 

Doesn't seem suspicious in any way that I can tell.

 

 

Really, I'm also a little worried about it because in a game of 24 people, the fact that I wasn't roleblocked leads me to believe I might have been manipulated. So releasing the info could do more damage than good either way.

 

 

P.34. Some people don't seem to buy BG's role claim. Meesh votes him first.

 

I'd appreciate it if you want to get me gone, then just get it over and done with. I'm not useful at all if nobody believes me and just being alive is distracting from other scum hunting. The best I can hope for is to get out of the way and hope there is a backup finder since silent roles seem to be handed out quite liberally.

 

Very martyr like of BG. Seems a bit of an overkill at this point with just one vote on him... but he's apparently all about self sacrifice. :P

 

Then Levity confuses us all with the attempt of using her re-direction to vet him out. And she votes him too. Then Tina votes BG. Gonna quote her too since I have my eye on her.

 

Vote BG. I don´t have anything to add to what the others have already said.

 

Although I wonder what Levity is talking about.

 

Trying to distance herself from BG just in case he goes down, perhaps? And at the same time, try to see if the lynch can go in a different direction?

 

 

BG's reaction to Levity's post (p.35):

 

And Levity, what the heck are you talking about? "A certain something" I didn't mention? If you are trying to trap me in something, I've got nothing to add to what I said concerning my NA right now, cause I've given it to you already other than an actual name.

 

So the voting on BG continues. I vote him and say I don't want to have him stringing us for days. BG replies:

 

My point exactly. Let's move this game on to other things. I'm not helping anyone now.

 

Vote BG

 

I got the name I submitted and that they were LIGHTSWORN. That is all.

 

 

Levity gets more confused. BG posts the following:

 

I think it is important for the town to understand what you were cooking to accuse me of Lev considering you were so enthusiastic about it and it backfired anyway... My whole day 1 backfired and I came clean.

 

I'm really tempted to fully claim only because of this /:

but I feel that isn't a viable excuse

 

Unvote: Vote Levity

 

 

Levity's reveal:

 

I don't know if I'm allowed to reveal my character? but I am, indeed, a role-manipulator--a re-directing role. Now, here's what I'm confused about.

 

My original plan was to test if BG at least had an actual night action or not. For example, if he had claimed to scan someone and did not mention being informed that his action was altered, it would lead me to believe he didn't truly have a night action at all. But if players here aren't even informed of this, then this means only I know the player he got re-directed to last night, UNLESS I myself got roleblocked somehow.

 

I also re-directed his action to a player I myself found only a tiny bit suspicious of D1; I didn't reveal this because I wanted to conceal my FLAWLESS MASTER PLAN which obviously only served to cause needless shenanigans. And I understand there was a number of other ways my idea could go awry, but I never take considerable risks in mafia and wanted to take a chance for once.

 

On p.38 BG has 6 votes on him: Loki, Meesh, Tina, Nyn, Spirit, Soy.

 

I don't get it. I give you a name A, Levy gives you name B... I get result that A has B's alignment. I'm vetted? I'm guilty? Huh?

 

Doesn't matter to me now anyway since I know I got redirected and only Levy knows who I really looked at. no sense in not saying since it apparently means nothing. I attempted to view Soy.

 

Is that true? Levity would have known who he was redirected to, since she picked the person. But why would she know who BG originally targeted? I find this reveal of who he viewed to be fishy. Especially when before he was all about not disclosing who he viewed and then giving out the name when the votes start to pile on him.

 

Another post from Tina:

 

I´m 80% sure that BG is lying. Sorry Wombat, I couldn´t resist it. / Will try to never mention it again.

 

Aren´t we missing a lot of players?

 

Is it me or is there some sort of pattern of Tina voting BG and at the same time attempting to redirect the topic at hand? It's always all BG is scummy... but isn't Ledinna acting weird. Or yeah, bg's behavior is odd... and what's up with Levity acting weird? Now she's directing people's attention to lurkers. mmmmm....

 

 

At the end of p.38 Turin adds a vote on BG as well. On p.39 Maw votes for him as well (8 people voting BG so far). And then Maw unvotes BG and drops the news of him using a one time day viewing, confirming BG as Lightsworn. BG posts closely after, proclaiming him his new best friend. The one who unvotes second is Tina. The rest all unvote as well.

 

Then BG supports the:

 

Unvote: Vote No Lynch

 

Edit for formatting.

 

At first BG claims that it would be best for town to off him because he would be misleading us with his views. Then he switches his vote to Levity when she gets herself so mixed up that she appears scummy. And then he even switches away from that to a no lynch vote? Seems off.

 

And then, this:

 

Wait... I didn't even notice there wasn't a deadline.

 

Well then by all means no need for a No Lynch right now.

 

Unvote: Vote Kae

 

Votes start to pile up on Kae pretty rapidly (4 votes in less than 2 hours) and she reveals that she's in a mason team with another person. After her claim Corossive votes her anyhow. And on the beginning of p.43 Red shows and confirms Kae's claim. Kae shares some info about the existing roles and a bandwagon seems to form on Meesh. It dies down as quick as it started and shifts to Corossive. Then Spirit makes us all go 'huh?' when she decides to vote BG. So all the votes start shifting in Spirit's directions (quite a roller-coaster LOL).

 

We're on p.46 at this point. Talking that surrounds the information that Red gave. On p.47 Levity reveals who she redirected.

 

DEAR RED: I targeted Nyn. I wasn't sure if I should reveal it at first, but it seems pointless to keep it a secret now.

 

Also Spirit posts:

 

Well, fine. Unvote

I would happily submit to having the finder look at me and see what I am, and then you can do what you want with me. I still don't believe BG, but willing to let him live a while longer until some more information comes up. I'll go back and look through everything from Corrosive again, and see what I think.

 

Makes me wonder if he/she was trying to buy time by offering to be viewed or just having the certainty that BG would tell us he/she is lightsworn :P

 

Unvote. Vote Spirit.

 

BG's vote on Spirit puts him/her in L-1. Aka he's one of the last to vote Spirit and it seems like a reluctant vote, if that makes sense lol I would have expected BG to be one of the first to place a vote, seeing as Spirit was the only one at that point that was still challenging his claim. Instead he wasn't really vocal and tossed in his vote when it was more then evident that Spirit wasn't coming back from this. So this pings me too.

 

aaaaaaaand on page 49 player seals the deal and we bag scum. Day 3 resumes on page 52. I'm not going to be summing up day 3, though. Mostly because I'm dead tired but also because it's quite recent, fresh in our memory and we've discussed it thoroughly in the last couple of pages... so just read back a little :P

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[Nynaeve]

Nolder got in between my posts, how sad!

 

Oh well, I hope this helps us in figuring out things after xmas is done with. Till then, I'm gonna go and pass out.

 

 

Cheers,

 

 

 

Nyn