[Light Vs Shadow] - HEROES AND VILLIANS MAFIA

[Red2111]

1. Des - Sam - Watcher

4. Tina - Superman - Town RB

6. Leelou - Bus Driver

9. Rey

10. Tiinks

11. Amadine

12. Wombat - Spiderman - Inventor Doc

13. Aiel Heart

14. Locke

16. Pants

17. Song - Tracker

19. Red

20. BG - Rogue - Town RB

 

Des's Findings

N1: blocked

N2: Wombat -> Blackhoof, Tina, Turin, Sakaea, BG, Leelou.

N3:

 

 

Song's Findings

N1:

N2:

N3: BG -> targeted no one

 

 

Leelou's Targets:

N1:

N2: Wombat/Leyrann

N3:

 

 

BG's blocks

N1: Des

N2: Wombat

N3: Leelou

 

 

Tina's Blocks

N1: n/a

N2: Wombat

N3: BG

 

 

 

 

 

added in the info. BG no slip up, if you recall from N2 we only had one active death, Leyrann. Hoofs was passive from getting switched to Ley from Womby. if anything, your jumping to conclusions. no where did i say or assume the scum targeted Womby for the kill. if anything Ley was taken out by a vig or SK

 

 

imo i think Wombat (the current doc) blocked agaisnt the scums target.

 

 

you jumping to conclusions like this, puts you up on my list. not to mention i dislike youe reactions to another RBer; it seems like your pushing or willing us to believe you and are trying to out argue Tina rather that truely case her.

[Red2111]

for all we know, there could be two RBers and one could be insane or something. or one of you could be lying and is scum.

 

 

as of right now, i feel better about lynching a BD than delving into the WIFOM surrounding the RBer claims.

[bgrishinko]

I thought it was straight forward with the info from Desp:

 

Hoof hid with Wombat Leyrann and was killed for it, but Kae was a mafia "Killer" who targeted Wombat Leyrann effectively killing a teammate. Why would Leelou, a proposed mafia Bus Driver, knowingly submit a kill on Wombat Leyrann, a teammate?

[bgrishinko]

I thought it was straight forward with the info from Desp:

 

Hoof hid with Wombat Leyrann and was killed for it, but Kae was a mafia "Killer" who targeted Wombat Leyrann effectively killing a teammate. Why would Leelou, a proposed mafia Bus Driver, knowingly redirect a kill to Wombat Leyrann, a teammate?

 

er... typo... fixed it in Bold.

[hotpocket2006]

1. Des - Sam - Watcher

4. Tina - Superman - Town RB

6. Leelou - Bus Driver

9. Rey

10. Tiinks

11. Amadine

12. Wombat - Spiderman - Inventor Doc

13. Aiel Heart

14. Locke

16. Pants

17. Song - Tracker

19. Red

20. BG - Rogue - Town RB

 

Des's Findings

N1: blocked

N2: Wombat -> Blackhoof, Tina, Turin, Sakaea, BG, Leelou.

N3:

 

 

Song's Findings

N1:

N2:

N3: BG -> targeted no one

 

 

Leelou's Targets:

N1:

N2: Wombat/Leyrann

N3:

 

 

 

 

song can you list your results from N1 and N2 please. also, i'll answer you tomorrow about the Kae thing. right now i'm crunched for time, but on my initial read to catch up fromt eh weekand i got the impression that at first you were slightly defending her, and then you distanced yoruself from her later on.

 

 

 

BG, so you think that Leelou is scum because BD's are scum; yet your voting Tina ....

 

 

Leelou because imo she's the better option. i dislike the intention behind the Wombat/Ley switch. an because of the problems the BD gives, especially to finder type roles, Leelou can you list your targets for the past 3 nights as well.

 

*shakes head* If you would actually read the game, instead of skim, you would know I targeted Kae nights 1 and two. That's the whole reason she got caught in her lie and had to make up two really bad role reveals. I caught her targeting wombat night 1, which was suspicious with his role reveal and no deaths N1, so I targeted her N2 and got her on Ley.

 

Also the vote on Leelou makes no sense. She would not switch her mafia killer to be on Ley who was also mafia. There's no way she's scum.

[hotpocket2006]

I thought it was straight forward with the info from Desp:

 

Hoof hid with Wombat Leyrann and was killed for it, but Kae was a mafia "Killer" who targeted Wombat Leyrann effectively killing a teammate. Why would Leelou, a proposed mafia Bus Driver, knowingly submit a kill on Wombat Leyrann, a teammate?

 

Ninja'd. Exactly this. While I hate BD roles, it always get's everything screwed up, there's no way she mafia.

[hotpocket2006]

 

 

added in the info. BG no slip up, if you recall from N2 we only had one active death, Leyrann. Hoofs was passive from getting switched to Ley from Womby. if anything, your jumping to conclusions. no where did i say or assume the scum targeted Womby for the kill. if anything Ley was taken out by a vig or SK

 

 

imo i think Wombat (the current doc) blocked agaisnt the scums target.

 

 

you jumping to conclusions like this, puts you up on my list. not to mention i dislike youe reactions to another RBer; it seems like your pushing or willing us to believe you and are trying to out argue Tina rather that truely case her.

 

I wonder if you actually aren't following the game at all or if you really want to get lynched now.

[Red2111]

1. Des - Sam - Watcher

4. Tina - Superman - Town RB

6. Leelou - Bus Driver

9. Rey

10. Tiinks

11. Amadine

12. Wombat - Spiderman - Inventor Doc

13. Aiel Heart

14. Locke

16. Pants

17. Song - Tracker

19. Red

20. BG - Rogue - Town RB

 

Des's Findings

N1: blocked

N2: Wombat -> Blackhoof, Tina, Turin, Sakaea, BG, Leelou.

N3:

 

 

Song's Findings

N1: Kae

N2: Kae

N3: BG -> targeted no one

 

 

Leelou's Targets:

N1:

N2: Wombat/Leyrann

N3:

 

 

 

you both are goign on the assumption the scum targeted Wombat for a kill, i'm going on the assumption they didn't. Kae's role as "Mafia Killer" is transferable, so for all i know she didn't start out with that role and it was transferred to her later.

 

all i know for FACT is that theres 2 kills in this game and Night 2 only saw 1 direct kill (as Hoofs is a passive death) which means 1 was blocked.

 

 

as for you listing your NA, when in the 50 pages did you do it Song, because if it was before Wed of last week then it probably slipped my mine. between the RL shit i have going on, the 3 advanced large games i'm in and the one i'm modding, aside from my DM staff stuff its likely i overlooked the few times you listed your findings. that and i'm finding i'm getting the 3 games mixed up because pretty much all have the same players in them. i'm keeping up, but i'm not skimming, nor do i skim; you've played enough games with me to know this, and i think your just trying to push my buttons by claiming i am to see what happens.

 

 

if you want to push a lynch on me and waste your time Song then go ahead.

[bgrishinko]

Ok Red, let's play it your way. Leelou is scum BD and Kae didn't do the killing, then either me or Tina would have to be a Vig or SK. That doesn't add up either.

[Locke]

Meh, I say we lynch either Tina or BG, and then if the one we lynch flips Town, we lynch the other one the next Day. I don't believe in two Town roleblockers. (+ Jailer) One of them is very likely scum. That said, neither one is really pinging me more than the other. Maybe Tina slightly more. I could go either way. Not sure which one would be the lying liar who lies lyingly.

 

Red is pinging me for the first time.

[mmeeshal]

*Yay for coinage of LLLL.

 

BAH! Go scummeths!

[bgrishinko]

Meh, I say we lynch either Tina or BG, and then if the one we lynch flips Town, we lynch the other one the next Day. I don't believe in two Town roleblockers. (+ Jailer) One of them is very likely scum. That said, neither one is really pinging me more than the other. Maybe Tina slightly more. I could go either way. Not sure which one would be the lying liar who lies lyingly.

 

Red is pinging me for the first time.

 

I'm game for that. I've got nothing to hide. Of course, I propose lynching Tina as I'd rather not sacrifice myself to prove her guilty, but will if it comes to it to ensure a lynch the next day. If she's not scum, then lynch me tomorrow.

 

@Tina, I can't remember if you said why you didn't block anyone night one.

[WWWwombat]

I think I agree with lynching between BG and Tina. BG's targets make less sense to me. Then again, Tina's behavior is scummier imo.

[Aiel Heart]

Ok, let me make sure I have this line of thought straight: last night Tina RBed BG who RBed Leelou?

 

Leelou, mind telling us who you bussed last night?

[Aiel Heart]

Right now I'm willing to believe that Red is overwhelmed, but I'll be watching her.

 

This Tina/BG situation is interesting.....

 

And I agree that unless the Mafia is pulling some elaborate scheme to want us to not lynch Leelou, if she actually is the bus driver then she is town. (Sorry Bonded, but I no trust you here ;)P )

[hotpocket2006]

 

 

you both are goign on the assumption the scum targeted Wombat for a kill, i'm going on the assumption they didn't. Kae's role as "Mafia Killer" is transferable, so for all i know she didn't start out with that role and it was transferred to her later.

 

all i know for FACT is that theres 2 kills in this game and Night 2 only saw 1 direct kill (as Hoofs is a passive death) which means 1 was blocked.

 

 

as for you listing your NA, when in the 50 pages did you do it Song, because if it was before Wed of last week then it probably slipped my mine. between the RL shit i have going on, the 3 advanced large games i'm in and the one i'm modding, aside from my DM staff stuff its likely i overlooked the few times you listed your findings. that and i'm finding i'm getting the 3 games mixed up because pretty much all have the same players in them. i'm keeping up, but i'm not skimming, nor do i skim; you've played enough games with me to know this, and i think your just trying to push my buttons by claiming i am to see what happens.

 

 

if you want to push a lynch on me and waste your time Song then go ahead.

 

Because Kae did in fact target wombat both nights, and she ended up targetting ley N2 because of the bus and he died... I don't know what you don't get about that. ALso I am not trying to "push your buttons". When you make bold statements accusing people of being scummy and doing this or that, you should at least have your facts straight and/or read the game.

 

 

I think I agree with lynching between BG and Tina. BG's targets make less sense to me. Then again, Tina's behavior is scummier imo.

 

I agree. Tina's behavior is scummier, but I don't like BG's target. I get why he did it, in theory. But look how it turned out N2. We ended up getting a mafia kill and some info from the switch. I don't like the blocking of townies.

 

 

@AH yes you have that correct. Tina rb'd bg who rb'd leelou, but failed because of the rb by tina.

 

Also if bg really thought Tina was scum, why wouldn't he rb her?

 

VOTE BG

[bgrishinko]

You think Tina is scummier, but you don't like the way I used my power... So you vote me? Alright, whatever.

 

Strategically, RBing Tina would have taught me nothing. I don't mind if you disagree. Kinda thought she might try and RB me.

[Leelou]

I used my role on Meesh and Wombat last night.

[Aiel Heart]

And Meesh ended up dead......

 

Wombat, you are a lucky man :P

[Aiel Heart]

Leelou is very lucky at getting Mafia people killed............... 'Tis interesting

[Niniel]

I don´t understand what Red is doing. Yesterday she tried to convince us that there wasn´t a bus driver that have switched Wombat with Ley. Des thought too much about it and we should do it simple and kill Wombat. And now it seams like she has skipped reading a whole day. Is this the same Red that usually thinks that skimming=scum?

 

I also find it weired with two roleblockers and that is why I blocked BG last night. I think that Sakaea and BG was the ones that distrusted me earlier in this game but I don´t have time to look it up right now. Will do it after work. So of course BG is on my FOS list. But I wonder what he would gain by trying to lynch me. When you see that I´m town then you would surely lynch BG next time. I don´t have an important role so trading me for one scum is not worth it. The only thing that I can think of is if BG is doing this to cover up for a more important mafia member.

 

Why I didn´t block anyone night 1 - I didn´t know who to block. It was likely that I would hit town and possible block someone with a power role. I don´t like being a roleblocker because it´s easy to hurt town. On night two and three I had good reason to block Wombat and BG.

 

Des - it would be good with some information from you. What is a trip to Bahamas oompared to mafia?

[WWWwombat]

I used my role on Meesh and Wombat last night.

 

Interesting. I protected myself last night so Meesh shouldn't have died. I guess either BG managed to block you or someone blocked me. Or both. Right now I'm thinking Tina blocked me. It doesn't make sense for her to have blocked BG and then there being yet another blocking role out there to block me.

 

Vote: Tina

 

Does anyone want to claim killing Meesh?

[Red2111]

Leelou, who'd you target N1.

 

and i know i added BG and Tina's targets to this damned list, now i've got to dig it up and re-add them

 

1. Des - Sam - Watcher

4. Tina - Superman - RB

6. Leelou - Bus Driver

9. Rey

10. Tiinks

11. Amadine

12. Wombat - Spiderman - Inventor Doc

13. Aiel Heart

14. Locke

16. Pants

17. Song - Tracker

19. Red

20. BG - Rogue - RB

 

Des's Findings

N1: blocked

N2: Wombat -> Blackhoof, Tina, Turin, Sakaea, BG, Leelou.

N3:

 

 

Song's Findings

N1: Kae -> Wombat

N2: Kae -> Wombat

N3: BG -> targeted no one

 

 

Leelou's Targets:

N1:

N2: Wombat/Leyrann

N3: Meesh/Wombat

 

 

BG's Targets

N1: Des

N2: Wombat

N3: Leelou

 

 

Tina's Targets

N1: n/a

N2: Wombat

N3: BG

 

 

 

 

Ok Red, let's play it your way. Leelou is scum BD and Kae didn't do the killing, then either me or Tina would have to be a Vig or SK. That doesn't add up either.

 

actually to me that leaves Tina, Leelou and YOU as the possible SK, beause for all i know your all three lying about yer roles. personally i think two RBs in a game, regaurdless of alignment is a bit much. speaking balance wise, it would be easy to balance a scum BD with a town RB and town Jail Keeper.

 

we know the town had a Jailkeeper, we know theres a RBer because Des was blocked. we now can be almost sure theres a BD because of yesturday. so imo, the easiest explination or easiest assumption is the one i made. which means i'd be down with a tina or leelou lynch, i like competing trains to see what digs up, you already voted Tina so i'm voting Leelou.

 

clear now. the problem is comming from us assuming two different scenarios, and our different ideas on how the BD role would be used. and honestly BG, how does Tina being the SK not make since; most of us agree one of you RBers are lying, the SK could use that as good cover imo.

 

 

 

Because Kae did in fact target wombat both nights, and she ended up targetting ley N2 because of the bus and he died... I don't know what you don't get about that.

 

someone else said the role Kae had is transferable; she may have targeted Wombat both nights but it could have been with a different role for all i know. as i'm not privy to everyones NA's and what they do, all i can do is GUESS what goes on behind the scenes. which is all any of us are doing considering any number of the reveals (to include yours) could be lies.

 

for all i know is you could be scum and using Kae to help clear yourself and try and get the assumed townies lynched; so excuse me while i dont take the apparant "facts" at face value.

 

 

ALso I am not trying to "push your buttons". When you make bold statements accusing people of being scummy and doing this or that, you should at least have your facts straight and/or read the game.

 

the only bold statment i've made is that i think Leelou is scum because i think the BD role is scummy. Wombat was sure to be looked at by an investigator, the scum could frame him by bussing him with a team mate so it made Wombats alignment show as scum.

 

and yes Song, you are trying to push my buttons. you know how much i dislike being accused of skimming. seems to me that you (and now Tina) are trying to goad me into an emotional emo melt down on thread to make lynchign me that much easier. like i said, you want to push a lynch on me and distract away from finding scum, go ahead, waste your time, and implicate yourself.

 

your mixing up someone being confused because this game and Reys game are very similar to me with someone whose skimming Song.

 

 

 

I agree. Tina's behavior is scummier, but I don't like BG's target. I get why he did it, in theory. But look how it turned out N2. We ended up getting a mafia kill and some info from the switch. I don't like the blocking of townies.

 

and who says she's a townie? both BG and i agree on one thing, we don't trust the BD to be town. in honesty, BG's targets make alot more since and his claim is backed up by Des who was very vocal about being blocked N1.

 

so the fact that Des is backing up BG with this knowledge, why are you subtley defending Tina by trying to make BG out as the scummier one.

 

 

I don´t understand what Red is doing. Yesterday she tried to convince us that there wasn´t a bus driver that have switched Wombat with Ley. Des thought too much about it and we should do it simple and kill Wombat. And now it seams like she has skipped reading a whole day. Is this the same Red that usually thinks that skimming=scum?

 

so you see that accusing me of skimming touches a nerve and you continnue to push on it. trying to get attention away from yourself by attempting to goad me into emo meltdown scummy mcscumster.

 

that was yesturday, before i believed Des's claim and believed him to be a townie. and no i wasn't trying to convince people there wasn't a BD, i said that lynching Wombat was the easiest way to prove if there was one, get it right if your goign to accuse a person of skimming.

 

 

 

But I wonder what he would gain by trying to lynch me. When you see that I´m town then you would surely lynch BG next time. I don´t have an important role so trading me for one scum is not worth it. The only thing that I can think of is if BG is doing this to cover up for a more important mafia member.

 

to the underline - our doc is outed and our finder is dead; the scum gain alot by offing a RBer, as it's one less deterent to their NK and one less townie on the ranks.

 

to the bold - i agree. you flip town we go after BG next; but right now his claim looks better imo because Des backs him up.

 

to the last sentence, thats assumign too much; theres a number of reasons scum do the things they do, and that assumption may cause more of a witch hunt than results.

 

 

Des - it would be good with some information from you. What is a trip to Bahamas oompared to mafia?

 

 

i'd love this as well, too bad the mod can't post them for us cause i dunno if he'll be back before deadline to post the info.

[Tiinker]

Why are there so many blockers.. T_T

[WWWwombat]

Red are you trying to sow confusion? Because there's no way some of the stuff you are sayng is even remotely close to right.