[Light Vs Shadow] - HEROES AND VILLIANS MAFIA

[Sakaea]

@ Des: Yes, I did target you N1. You're welcome, LOL

[hazelkrs1]

Incidentally, it doesn't make sense for mafia to have Wombat scouted in the same night that they would have tried to kill him, but it could make some sense for them to RB him the same night they tried to kill him to prevent him from protecting himself, if they already knew he was the healer. So that makes me a little wary of Tina again, plus I'm wary of anyone who's now saying they were doubting Wombat's claim from yesterday

[Turin Turambar]

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I was pretty sure that wombat's inventor claim was false and looked to confirm a suspicion last night.

 

Okay what? I can't expect that there are 2 finders in this game so this looks to me like a scum slip.

 

Vote Turin

I never claimed finder, I never claimed role cop, I never claimed inventor. I did believe Wombat's inventor claim was false as I targeted him both N1 and N2. The reason I targeted him again N2 was due to the lack of a NK on N1. Make of it what you will. The more this goes along the more I think the mafia are pushing for this reveal to out the town power roles.

 

I have a question: if someone is jailed can they then be bussed? Kae claims to have jailed Wombat last night but Leelou claims to have bussed him with Ley. Is that a Mod call as to which would happen or does the actions that would have gone to Wombat go to Ley but the actions that would have gone to Ley not go to Wombat?

[hotpocket2006]

I got you targeting Ley last night Sakaea, which is why you are either lying through your teeth, or something was screwed up. I asked the mod to clarify, but I got a big PAFO.

[hotpocket2006]

which I think you tageted ley, but got bussed and ended up on wombat. *shrugs* because Ley wouldn't have died if you jailkept him.

[Niniel]

Des found Blackhoof with Wombat but he died with Ley. Des found Sakaea with Wombat but Song saw her with Ley.

[Niniel]

I want Leelou to come and explain this to us.

[Sakaea]

I too, want Leelou to explain. Cus I am not lying, I did send in my NA on Wombat. My best guess atm, is I sent my NA in before Leelou, and that affected how things went down.

[WWWwombat]

I doubt the order of NA's affected anything. It usually doesn't. I think maybe Song saw who you ended up on while Des saw the people who targeted me and ended up on Ley. Leelou as a town bus driver actually makes a lot of sense. If that's true, then I think the mafia tried to NK me and I think that Sakaea was the one who submitted. If Sakaea jailed me, it should have gone to Leyrann and Leyrann shouldn't have died. Therefore I think Sakaea is the LLL mafia NK submitter.

 

Vote: Sakaea

[WWWwombat]

Also, if people would say driven or bus driven when they mean targeted by the bus driver that would be nice. Bussing usually refers to the act of throwing a scum teammate under the bus and it makes me cringe when I see it used in this context.

 

Also, Des, how do you know you were jailed instead of just roleblocked.

[Tiinker]

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I was pretty sure that wombat's inventor claim was false and looked to confirm a suspicion last night.

 

Okay what? I can't expect that there are 2 finders in this game so this looks to me like a scum slip.

 

Vote Turin

I never claimed finder, I never claimed role cop, I never claimed inventor. I did believe Wombat's inventor claim was false as I targeted him both N1 and N2. The reason I targeted him again N2 was due to the lack of a NK on N1. Make of it what you will. The more this goes along the more I think the mafia are pushing for this reveal to out the town power roles.

 

I have a question: if someone is jailed can they then be bussed? Kae claims to have jailed Wombat last night but Leelou claims to have bussed him with Ley. Is that a Mod call as to which would happen or does the actions that would have gone to Wombat go to Ley but the actions that would have gone to Ley not go to Wombat?

 

You can't drop hints like that and expect them to be ignored. You're breadcrumbing a pretty powerful role here anyone can see that and it doesn't make me trust you more or less. To be honest my main suspicion of you though is coming from the fact that you had claimed to be new to this game but not so far in you seem to have caught on incredibly quickly. Take it as a compliment if you're not being coached.

 

A Jailkeeper though is also known to be able to prevent any NA from going through to the target but that just depends on the game and on the mod. I think Kae just means that she doubles as both healer and roleblocker.

[Sakaea]

...Didn't I say that?

[Turin Turambar]

Incidentally, it doesn't make sense for mafia to have Wombat scouted in the same night that they would have tried to kill him, but it could make some sense for them to RB him the same night they tried to kill him to prevent him from protecting himself, if they already knew he was the healer. So that makes me a little wary of Tina again, plus I'm wary of anyone who's now saying they were doubting Wombat's claim from yesterday

bold mine.

 

Why are wary of anyone who doubted Wombat's inventor claim that turned out false? That doesn't make any sense.

 

Also, I am not trying to discredit your findings. They seem to be true as I know I targeted Wombat and nearly everyone else has admitted that much at least. I am just not certain of your affiliation. I am just not sure this will not blow up in the town's face.

[WWWwombat]

A Jailkeeper though is also known to be able to prevent any NA from going through to the target but that just depends on the game and on the mod. I think Kae just means that she doubles as both healer and roleblocker.

 

That's a variant. May or may not be the case.

 

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Jailkeeper

[Leelou]

This is from the mafiascum wiki:

 

The Bus Driver is a role that can choose to switch two players each night. Thus, any night action performed on a switched player will affect the other player targeted by the Bus Driver. The Bus Driver's night choices are only valid for that same night

 

So basically I target two people and swap the actions targeted at them for that night.

[hotpocket2006]

I doubt the order of NA's affected anything. It usually doesn't. I think maybe Song saw who you ended up on while Des saw the people who targeted me and ended up on Ley. Leelou as a town bus driver actually makes a lot of sense. If that's true, then I think the mafia tried to NK me and I think that Sakaea was the one who submitted. If Sakaea jailed me, it should have gone to Leyrann and Leyrann shouldn't have died. Therefore I think Sakaea is the LLL mafia NK submitter.

 

Vote: Sakaea

 

Exactly.

[Leelou]

Forgot the link: bus driver

[bgrishinko]

I doubt the order of NA's affected anything. It usually doesn't. I think maybe Song saw who you ended up on while Des saw the people who targeted me and ended up on Ley. Leelou as a town bus driver actually makes a lot of sense. If that's true, then I think the mafia tried to NK me and I think that Sakaea was the one who submitted. If Sakaea jailed me, it should have gone to Leyrann and Leyrann shouldn't have died. Therefore I think Sakaea is the LLL mafia NK submitter.

 

Vote: Sakaea

 

Vote: Sakaea

 

Agreed. Leyrann would have survived if this were true. I still wonder about Tina though, cause like I said, too many RBs in this Kitchen.

[Turin Turambar]

So if Leelou is the bus driver and Wombat was jailed but also driven, would Ley then have been jailed? If that is the case then He should not have died, right? If that is correct then either Kae or Lee (or both) must be lying.

 

sorry about the improper terminology wombat. I'll try to use the right words.

[Leelou]

Ok, so the way this worked is the whole lot of us, including Des targeted Wombat. I also targeted Ley to switch them. Actions were switched. Everyone who targeted Wombat actually targeted Ley. The reason Song is seeing Kae as targeting Ley is because she was driven to Ley from Wombat whom she targeted.

[Niniel]

I see that but why did Des see us all with Wombat?

[Leelou]

Des, did you get a report back that it was Wombat or just a list of names?

[Turin Turambar]

but then how did Ley die? If Wombat was jailed.

[Leelou]

I don't trust Kae's claim. I just want to be able to pick things apart when I get home before actually voting. I'm trying to get out of here in a few minutes.

[hotpocket2006]

Ok, so the way this worked is the whole lot of us, including Des targeted Wombat. I also targeted Ley to switch them. Actions were switched. Everyone who targeted Wombat actually targeted Ley. The reason Song is seeing Kae as targeting Ley is because she was driven to Ley from Wombat whom she targeted.

 

But if she was actually a jail keeper, Ley wouldn't have died. So she's either lying about her role or lying about targeting wombat, and she actually targetted ley to jailkeep him and ended up on wombat.