[Light Vs Shadow] - HEROES AND VILLIANS MAFIA

[WWWwombat]

I'm the healer. Get off me. Targeted myself N1 and Amadine N2. Get off.

[Sakaea]

Unvote

 

Curiouser and curiouser.

[WWWwombat]

Also FoS Turin for asking me if I still had a vest.

[Turin Turambar]

Now we have a second more powerful claim. idk. I knew the inventor claim was false but could it have been to hide doc? maybe. I am here and there is no hammer today. I will wait to hear what others think.

[Pantsonfire]

So having forced wombat to reveal are we in a better place? None of you seem inclined to believe him though.....

 

 

On the bus on my way to exam, figured I'd poke my head in.

I'll put out there atm I believe des and wombat are town, they have both flat out said that they are townsmen. Are there investigators that can check if they are telling the truth? That's what we need

 

Song kind of 'pinging' for her recent post as is Tina from earlier days (and her failure to answer a question, though thing can be excused as it is understandably late for her)

[Sakaea]

So having forced wombat to reveal are we in a better place? None of you seem inclined to believe him though.....

 

 

On the bus on my way to exam, figured I'd poke my head in.

I'll put out there atm I believe des and wombat are town, they have both flat out said that they are townsmen. Are there investigators that can check if they are telling the truth? That's what we need

 

Song kind of 'pinging' for her recent post as is Tina from earlier days (and her failure to answer a question, though thing can be excused as it is understandably late for her)

 

 

Bolding mine. I unvoted, inferring that I believe him. Just saying.

 

Pants, check out this link. http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Lie_Detector

That should answer your question.

[Pantsonfire]

Tyvm Sakaea, this works with the thought that if they were not what they claim someone would have called them out by now....

Now I must throw, with all possible force, this printer agains a wall..... For onl mindless destruction will give me the catharsis that I so desire right now!

[Pantsonfire]

Worked fine for other students! .....

[bgrishinko]

I see it this way... With so many people on Wombat, chances are the town was very suspicious of him. I know I was, that's why I targeted him. But I doubt every single person was town by shear numbers. Therefore it is most likely in my opinion Wombat is town, but I knew your claim sounded like crap yesterday.

[WWWwombat]

If my claim was crap yesterday, then why didn't you lynch me yesterday? At least Turin (who somehow claims to have known I was lying) stayed on me. You, on the other hand, were early on the Poet train.

[bgrishinko]

Told you yesterday it sounded off. Poet still seemed like the better candidate given the circumstances. Plus, your role was one that would be easy enough to prove wrong in following days.

[Blackhoof]

damnit i died!

 

nooooo! :'(

 

go town!

[Turin Turambar]

Sorry Hoof. I'm still not sure what to think of this second claim. tbh, I would've asked that question of BG. This is a real pickle.

 

 

On a side note, at this point would Des' character name be a good thing to know? He could make up anything so I guess it probly doesn't really matter.

 

This 6 people targeting wombat is making my brain hurt.

[hazelkrs1]

Pants heres a wiki page on WIFOM My link

 

Des your really starting to ping me

 

 

We don't know for a fact that Hoof targeted Wombat.

 

yes we do, unless your lieing about Targeting Wombat.

 

as a Watcher, Hoof would only be onl your list if he targeted the person your watching; especailly since (via the wiki) all NA's directed at the hider will fail.

 

(sigh) He could have targeted someone else, and that person have been bussed with Wombat. It's a remote possibility, but still there.

 

He could have targeted someone else,

 

if he did, he wouldn't have been on your list.

 

Once again, metagaming the mod. You don't know yet how all NA's resolved themselves, there could've been more tomfoolery that we're not aware of.

 

and if Wombat was bussed with that person

 

again, your list only includes those who sent in to target Wombat as thier NA's. regaurdless if Wombat or yourself was bussed. and thats a pretty big if.

 

Hoof could have targeted someone, then had his target moved to wombat. There ARE roles which allow you to do this, not the same as a busser either. Works the same practically, but in this scenario he could not have targeted wombat initially but still shown to have targeted him. Not likely, but once again still a possibility.

 

I might have been led to believe he targeted him when he didn't. Hoof could have targeted someone not named Wombat OR Leyrann.

 

then he woudn't be on your list. and since Tina has said she did target Wombat then we know your list are of those who did infact target Wombat.

 

See above

 

Wombat's coroner report won't necessarily tell us if there's a busser or not.

 

yes it would. if Wombat was bussed, this means all people targetting Wombat were bussed. if Wombat flips innocent then Hoof (and by default your list) were bussed and we know there is a busser.

 

Once again, not necessarily. The bus driver could have been blocked for some reason and something else resulted in Leyrann being killed. Even though my explanation seems to make sense it's not the only one.

 

I don't even think his coroner report will clear me necessarily, at least I don't see how it definitely would. I know I'm town, but it seems like you're setting up a way to clear yourself by linking with me. Also, there's now way Wombat's coroner report would NOT clear me, since I know myself to be town. Erm, wait... did I just get myself into a WIFOM? Blech this is confusing

 

i'm not linking myself with you, i'm linking you with Wombat as a possible gambit. i bought your claim with a grain of salt and not that grain is turnign into a pound because of your actions.

 

Once again, Red, come after me. I have nothing to hide and you'll only soil your own hands. My point was there are still MANY potential NA chains which could have resulted in any number of bizarre occurrences which we will prob not be able to figure out till the QT at the end. By speaking in absolutes, you could end up clearing a mafioso, something I don't want to do. Tunnel vision = bad for town. Dealing in absolutes = bad for town.

 

Des. How any of the people on "the list" do you think would be villains? My problem is that the villains KNOW who on that list is mafia and therefore who is not. Our reveals or hints or stories or whatever your asking for will be giving them more immediate information than it will give the heroes. If wombat is bad like I think then he and his mates are probably trying to decide what spin to throw out. So our water is even muddier than before

 

As for the number of mafia I think were on my list of people that targeted Wombat last night, it could be from 1-3 people as far as I can think. Potential roles that could have targeted him could be: A bus driver, a RB'er, and perhaps even the NK. If sent in in the right order they would work correctly together. Now I don't see why they would do all 3 unless they REALLY wanted him dead and wanted to make sure he was not saved from another townie role, so it could be that either A. the busser was actually a townie B. the RB'er was a townie, or C. they didn't send the night kill on him but instead someone else (what I actually believe happened, perhaps they tried killing amadine but wombat saved her). Either way I think the number of scum on the list is more likely two.

 

For reference sake, that list was

 

Blackhoof - obviously we know him to be out of the running for scum

Tina - hinted at having some kind of investigative role I believe, but left before posting more (possibly to save her behind)

Turin - I hate doing this but it seems like you're hinting that you figured out what his role was somehow, this means you could either be a role cop (good for town) or a scout (bad for town, mafia role, and honestly more common than role cops)

Sakaea - didn't really reveal anything, but suggested that it would be detrimental to town should she reveal. Honestly, if Wombat is telling the truth, then with healer and cop out of the way there's not that many other roles that would be that awful to give away, but whatever

BG - didn't really reveal anything other than he didn't trust Wombat, I have an idea what his role might be but I'm keeping that to myself for now

Leelou - also didn't reveal much, kind of seemed a little like Sakaea's post but not as much.

 

Also, I don't really like the way you said "our water is more muddled" just kinda seems like you trying too hard to meld into town

 

For now, I will confirm that I visited Wombat, but I'm going to keep why/for what purpose to myself for now. I believe a reveal on my part would be detrimental right now.

 

However, due to what all has happened, I believe Wombat's coroner report will help to clear a lot of the WIFOMs we have going on. So, Vote Wombat

 

This is the post I was talking about. Don't really like it for some reason. Not sure why everyone is so against revealing, hiding behind the whole "it'll help mafia out" thing. Yes, it will give them more information in the immediate term, but in the long term can REALLY help town achieve victory. If, out of the 5 people on the list, two end up being implicated as scum, it's worth sacrificing the other 3 if need be. One of the others very may well be a third party killer anyways, which is what I personally think happened, so we'd be sacrificing two townies for 2 scum and a third party.

 

Explain to me again how this is a bad thing?

 

Also, Unvote obviously. Want to hear more from people on my list.

[hazelkrs1]

At least one scum down.

 

Wombat and Des - I would like to know the name of your roles and also I would like to know what you invented this night Wombat. Did you keep it to yourself or did you give it away?

 

Actually, after rereading this post, it doesn't seem so much that Tina is implying an investigative role so much as she is possibly trying to catch him in a slip. I won't say what I'm getting at, but this does make me reconsider BG's possible role somewhat.

 

And, since my unvote was somehow messed up in the post above, I'll try this again

 

Unvote

[hazelkrs1]

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr mind is too sleepy!

 

Unvote!

[Turin Turambar]

I do not know Wombat's role. I do know he was not an inventor. He might well be the Doc and the inventor claim was just a smokescreen to hide behind.

 

How I know he was not inventor is related to my role. I still do not want to reveal that role. The smart players can probly already figure it out, but I am not looking to give it away.

 

Will you give us your name?

[hazelkrs1]

3) Youmay hint at a character name if you wish, however you will take theconsequences for this. I have not necessarily used obvious characters, butthere maybe some, you can lie through your teeth of course!

 

 

[Pantsonfire]

Spudsy Tatterson, old time Irish hero?

 

Lol

[Niniel]

I haven´t seen LotR (and will never do) but I guess you are hinting at a hobbit. I can´t see how it could hurt us if Wombat told us his name.

 

I have just woken up and will soon leave home. Des - when I bring up rl things that gets in my way I always tell the truth, doesn´t matter if I´m town or mafia. And I do need to sleep at night. lol

 

You are right, I would have known if Wombat had lied about the inventions. That was pretty obvious though so I´m not surprised that Wombat now tells us another story. When I get the time I will have to go through the last pages again. The point we have to look at more closely is why Blackhoof hid with Wombat but ended up dead with Ley. Someone got redirected? Des is lying? I´m too tired to even think about that now. With so many people voting Wombat I guess we have scum on his train, doesn´t matter if he is town or not.

 

Until I get home. Unvote Wombat. From what I think I discovered last night I still think he is mafia but I might be wrong and it would be terrible to kill or doc.

[hazelkrs1]

I haven´t seen LotR (and will never do)

 

EH?!?!?!

 

 

Why in the world not? Great movies, simply brilliant. Doesn't matter that they don't fit everything in, in general they're simply the standard for how to create an epic fantasy motion picture.

 

As for rl, I don't like doubting people when they say that, but like I said, I've been conditioned to be wary of it after every mafia game I've been in. Didn't want to offend you or anything

[Niniel]

It´s hard to offend me in mafia games now days. lol LotR is my fav book of all time and I don´t want to ruin the wonderful pictures in my head. I know people say it´s good but elves can never be good how much you try. *nods*

/writing while brushing teeth is not easy

[Turin Turambar]

Ahhh...about revealing you mean. I only meant that if you reveal (character or role) can have consequences with how other members take your reveal.

no mod consequences for giving names.

[hazelkrs1]

I was kind of trying to be cute Turin. But since you insist on bullying me, I am Samwise Gamgee. Would've thought the video would have given it away.

[Turin Turambar]

bullying? wow. sorry oh super watcher.

 

When I think of that scene in the book I always think of Gollum's reply "Oh yes we could. Spoilin' nice fish. Give it to us raw and

w-r-r-riggling; you keep nasty chips."