[Basic] Girls Locker Room Mafia - Game Over

[Red2111]

and now i'm re-caught up again.

 

Soy, just stating that you are town isn't much of a defense when you're so close to being lynched:-/

 

also, apply what i said about Tina's post, to this post by Sakaea. only with Sakaea, she's more blatantly implying that he should role reveal.

 

Actually, I wasn't implying he should reveal. I can see how you are construing that I said that, but all I meant was that repeatedly stating he's town seems like scum that can't come up with a better defense. Obviously, that wasn't the case here, tho.

 

i still don't buy it Sakaea. Soyo already stated he was town. in fact, in the post in uestion, you acknowladge this and state "it's not much of a defense when your so close to being lynched".

 

tell me, what exactly were you implying he should say to defend himself if not a role claim since just claiming town wasn't good enough. it's the fact that your point out "claiming town isn't good enough" that pings me Sakaea. i don't buy your explination, to me it seemed like you were pushing for him to claim a role.

 

 

No scene? :'(

 

Just kidding nol :)

 

A townie Lynch on day 1.... how unfortunately typical. Sorry about that Soy. :\

 

I must say I don´t like this post. Mostly the "how unfortunately typical" part.

 

this pings me. Ley was one of the main supporters for Hoof during D1, now he's the first to attack hoof. distancing much??

 

 

 

@Red, just to clarify yet again, because y'all are misinterpreting my actions and not reading what I explicitly stated, my vote on Ley was NOT a joke vote. The fact that I voted him was random, yes, but as I've already explained, the vote itself was to start pressuring SOMEONE, ANYone, to get the game moving. I don't want everyone just going along with your claim that my voting Ley was jokey vote-hopping, when that wasn't the case and I've already explained that very thoroughly.

 

Other than that, I agree with most of your analysis so far.

 

your stated reasioning for voting Ley was "for being a smart ass know it all" Meesh. atleast, thats what you posted was your reason on thread. that reason is a joke vote reason if i've ever seen one, as it has nothign to do with seriously pressuring someone over scummy game actions.

 

as i said, i don't buy your explination and it still pings me.

 

 

Vote: Red

 

She posted tons of stuff during night phase like she wasn't scared of being offed.

Actually, I just saw this again and actually read it, and I feel the need to respond.

 

I'm reading this as "she posted tons of stuff during night phase, which is an indicator of her not being scared of being killed." If that's correct, then I'm gonna have to FoS you for faulty reasoning.

 

First of all, metagaming, but I'm pretty sure Red likes to post thoughts during night phase in pretty much every game.

 

This is because of the second thing that is not metagaming, but simple logic--she's posting it BECAUSE she's "afraid" of getting killed. She'd rather get her thoughts out there while she's alive, rather than risk being dead in the morning and unable to share suspicions.

 

That could still be a sign of scumminess, wanting to appear overly town by trying to share her thoughts while she can because she might be NKed, but your reason doesn't make sense.

 

what Meesh said, adding in my shock at Womby actually giving a reason for voting me

[Ledinna Sedai]

Vote: Red

 

She posted tons of stuff during night phase like she wasn't scared of being offed.

 

 

I think this is unlikely, Red is a good enough player to realize someone would think that. However, I am suspicious of Hoof atm because of the whole "I'm gonna lay low so I don't get lynched D1" thing. Well, it's not D1 anymore, and he's at the top of my list right now.

 

Vote Hoof

 

Here Sakaea accuses and votes Hoof because of that lurking strategy. Yes it isn't D1 but D2 has barely started as she posted that. So she couldn't know if Hoof was going to continue like that.

 

Vote Sakaea

[Red2111]

so in summary to bring my thoughts & conclusions together.

 

first i'd like to hear Ama & Ledinna's thoughts on D1 since their a fresh pair of eyes (and welcome to the game too!)

 

 

VOTE: MAW

[Red2111]

so in summary to bring my thoughts & conclusions together.

 

first i'd like to hear Ama & Ledinna's thoughts on D1 since their a fresh pair of eyes (and welcome to the game too!)

 

 

VOTE: MAW he's the highest

[Red2111]

so in summary to bring my thoughts & conclusions together.

 

first i'd like to hear Ama & Ledinna's thoughts on D1 since their a fresh pair of eyes (and welcome to the game too!)

 

 

VOTE: MAW he's the highest on my suspect list right now.

[Red2111]

so in summary to bring my thoughts & conclusions together.

 

first i'd like to hear Ama & Ledinna's thoughts on D1 since their a fresh pair of eyes (and welcome to the game too!)

 

 

VOTE: MAW he's the highest on my suspect list right now. he's one of the 2

[Red2111]

seriously computure?! *rolls eyes*

 

 

VOTE: MAW he's highest on my suspect list. he's one of the 3 to unvote their "joke" votes, the baiting thing with Soyo i talked abotu in the 2nd post of my recap, the slight linking himself and fence FoS at Meesh i quoted in the first post of my recap.

 

 

the runner up FoS goes to Hoof. mainly because all your contribution for Day 1 was in defending yoursel for spamming rather than helping us scum hunt. which is anti-town behavior

 

 

3rd on my list is Sakaea for the vote on Meesh and the role fishing on Soyo.

 

 

last on my list is Wombat, for his actions today. not because the vote is on me, but because of the reasoning (which as Meesh said makes no sense logically) and because it's a total 180 off his previous suspect list.

 

 

an honorable poke goes out to Ley, who is close to being on my list. for the apparent distancing between himself and Hoof and for being with Sakaea and Maw on "unvoting the joke vote" thing.

[Sakaea]

Maybe I was rolefishing, but here's my reasoning. My point was that just saying you're town isn't a great defense. It seems weak, like you can't come up with anything else. Yeah, he was vanilla, but if he had been the doc or the cop, wouldn't y'all have wanted him to say so before we lynched him?

[WWWwombat]

Vote: Red

 

She posted tons of stuff during night phase like she wasn't scared of being offed.

 

 

I think this is unlikely, Red is a good enough player to realize someone would think that. However, I am suspicious of Hoof atm because of the whole "I'm gonna lay low so I don't get lynched D1" thing. Well, it's not D1 anymore, and he's at the top of my list right now.

 

Vote Hoof

 

 

Vote: Red

 

She posted tons of stuff during night phase like she wasn't scared of being offed.

Actually, I just saw this again and actually read it, and I feel the need to respond.

 

I'm reading this as "she posted tons of stuff during night phase, which is an indicator of her not being scared of being killed." If that's correct, then I'm gonna have to FoS you for faulty reasoning.

 

First of all, metagaming, but I'm pretty sure Red likes to post thoughts during night phase in pretty much every game.

 

This is because of the second thing that is not metagaming, but simple logic--she's posting it BECAUSE she's "afraid" of getting killed. She'd rather get her thoughts out there while she's alive, rather than risk being dead in the morning and unable to share suspicions.

 

That could still be a sign of scumminess, wanting to appear overly town by trying to share her thoughts while she can because she might be NKed, but your reason doesn't make sense.

 

 

Vote: Red

 

She posted tons of stuff during night phase like she wasn't scared of being offed.

 

this pings majorly. very weak reasoning and very out-of-the-blue

 

Vote Wombat

 

Interesting reactions. Meesh's post actually makes sense but Sakaea and Hoof don't really supply much reasoning. Sakaea just tries to slide the discussion back to Hoof and Hoof votes me while sheeping Sakaea and Meesh. I think we could be looking at a Red, Sakaea, Hoof scum team.

[Sakaea]

Vote: Red

 

She posted tons of stuff during night phase like she wasn't scared of being offed.

 

 

I think this is unlikely, Red is a good enough player to realize someone would think that. However, I am suspicious of Hoof atm because of the whole "I'm gonna lay low so I don't get lynched D1" thing. Well, it's not D1 anymore, and he's at the top of my list right now.

 

Vote Hoof

 

Here Sakaea accuses and votes Hoof because of that lurking strategy. Yes it isn't D1 but D2 has barely started as she posted that. So she couldn't know if Hoof was going to continue like that.

 

Vote Sakaea

 

 

You're kidding, right? I voted him for his D1 behavior. Whether or not it continues was immaterial and continues to be so. FOS you for voting me with such weak reasoning.

[Netbattler11]

seriously computure?! *rolls eyes*

 

 

VOTE: MAW he's highest on my suspect list. he's one of the 3 to unvote their "joke" votes, the baiting thing with Soyo i talked abotu in the 2nd post of my recap, the slight linking himself and fence FoS at Meesh i quoted in the first post of my recap.

 

 

the runner up FoS goes to Hoof. mainly because all your contribution for Day 1 was in defending yoursel for spamming rather than helping us scum hunt. which is anti-town behavior

 

 

3rd on my list is Sakaea for the vote on Meesh and the role fishing on Soyo.

 

 

last on my list is Wombat, for his actions today. not because the vote is on me, but because of the reasoning (which as Meesh said makes no sense logically) and because it's a total 180 off his previous suspect list.

 

 

an honorable poke goes out to Ley, who is close to being on my list. for the apparent distancing between himself and Hoof and for being with Sakaea and Maw on "unvoting the joke vote" thing.

 

Couple things about this. Why is the word "joke" in quotes? When you show up to a game, your first vote is an unsubstantiated joke. What ends up happening on D1 (at least as far as i can see from the games i've participated in) is that the day is mostly wasted in joking around, the deadline comes up, people panic, and the person with the most joke votes ends up getting lynched. I dislike it when that happens, so I thought that Sakaea's idea was a good one and could help avoid that by getting rid of some of the joke trains. Combined with the long D1, it did. Soy was looking fairly scummy, and gave us good info to work off of.

 

You say nothing about role fishing in the second post of your recap, and my only quote there is impossible to interpret that way.

 

Either you guys read way too much into little things, or I read way too little into them. Why does the fact that I defend people who I don't think should be wronged make me scum?

 

Same goes for defending meesh. I've gotten in trouble for doing basically the same thing in other games. If i didn't defend her, that makes me a hypocrite. I dislike being a hypocrite.

 

Thank you for at least bothering to explain your vote though. I dislike it when there is no reason given for votes.

 

Vote: Red

 

She posted tons of stuff during night phase like she wasn't scared of being offed.

 

 

I think this is unlikely, Red is a good enough player to realize someone would think that. However, I am suspicious of Hoof atm because of the whole "I'm gonna lay low so I don't get lynched D1" thing. Well, it's not D1 anymore, and he's at the top of my list right now.

 

Vote Hoof

 

Here Sakaea accuses and votes Hoof because of that lurking strategy. Yes it isn't D1 but D2 has barely started as she posted that. So she couldn't know if Hoof was going to continue like that.

 

Vote Sakaea

 

You're kidding, right? I voted him for his D1 behavior. Whether or not it continues was immaterial and continues to be so. FOS you for voting me with such weak reasoning.

 

I am 100% behind Sakaea here. Why does it matter if he keeps acting that way? He was acting that way already. Why does it need to continue to be suspicious? That's not to say I agree with hoof as a target, but I really dislike the attack on Sakaea. VOTE LEDINNA.

[John E. Kelley]

the runner up FoS goes to Hoof. mainly because all your contribution for Day 1 was in defending yoursel for spamming rather than helping us scum hunt. which is anti-town behavior

 

I agree. I was willing to let is slide on D1 because I'm a softie (no, really I am), but D1 is over and now I feel no reason to continue letting past games color my decisions.

 

Vote Hoof.

[Nolder]

Votecount

Red - Wombat (1)

Blackhoof - Sakaea, Ishmael (2)

Wombat - Blackhoof (1)

Sakaea - Ledinna (1)

Maw - Red (1)

Leddina - Maw (1)

 

The deadline is Tuesday November 8th

 

with 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch

[mmeeshal]

I'm responding to this first because it's really annoying me.

 

@Red, just to clarify yet again, because y'all are misinterpreting my actions and not reading what I explicitly stated, my vote on Ley was NOT a joke vote. The fact that I voted him was random, yes, but as I've already explained, the vote itself was to start pressuring SOMEONE, ANYone, to get the game moving. I don't want everyone just going along with your claim that my voting Ley was jokey vote-hopping, when that wasn't the case and I've already explained that very thoroughly.

 

Other than that, I agree with most of your analysis so far.

 

your stated reasioning for voting Ley was "for being a smart ass know it all" Meesh. atleast, thats what you posted was your reason on thread. that reason is a joke vote reason if i've ever seen one, as it has nothign to do with seriously pressuring someone over scummy game actions.

 

as i said, i don't buy your explination and it still pings me.

Either you didn't actually read the thread, or you're purposely ignoring everything anyone says that doesn't support whatever stance you want to take. In response to the underlined, allow me to point out yet again what I stated ages ago in response to Tina asking me what I did to help move the game along.

 

 

I think we're waiting for, what, 2 people to check in? That's enough for me to get rolling here.

 

I'm gonna unvote Wombat, stick a second vote on Leyrann for an incurable case of know-it-all-ism, and FOS Tina for pointing fingers because of jokes.

 

You feel the need to explain that it was a joke? Hm... If you weren´t the scummiest player here I would also vote Ley for that but I think my vote is where it should be.

Oooh, caught myself typing in the wrong color code; a year+ of using one code ingrains certain habits in your fingertips.

 

I'm not really sure what you mean here, but you're definitely climbing up my suspect list. Which is actually quite excellent, as my whole point was to try and get some game-related discussion started, so that people could start playing the game.

 

You're digging too hard for stuff to point fingers away from yourself, and there's not actually as much there as you'd like to think.

 

I'm happy at this point unvoting and voting Tina, and I personally would like a Tina-pressuring train for the purposes of information, since we have to start somewhere.

(.......)

Bolded - it´s always nice to start the game as early as possible but exactelly what did you do to get the game related discussion to start? Vote Ley and FOS me or was it earlier when chit chatting with Wombat?

Well, honestly I've been discussing the whole Day 1 issue with people lately, and the consensus seems to be that pressuring people, forming lynch trains to gauge reactions and get information, not joke-voting and dancing an elaborate, inoffensive dance, is the way to get the most out of the day.

 

Originally, I planned on voting you, Tina, but you had no votes at that point and I wanted to pick someone with a vote on them already to start seeing how people responded to that. So I voted Leyrann. I picked him from the list of people with votes on them for the reason I gave when voting him.

 

I wasn't planning on people jumping on me and telling I'm definitely scum, but that works too--notice how we're now discussing the game, and not still joke-voting and laughing and not taking the Day seriously.

 

I rest my case.

Now, read the bold parts, particularly the italicized, and the underlined parts. You'll see that I clearly stated that I WAS TRYING TO PUT PRESSURE ON SOMEONE TO SEE HOW PEOPLE REACTED. YES, I voted Leyrann in particular because of his know-it-all post. I never denied THAT. But why I vote-hopped in the first place had nothing to do with joking. If I was intent on sticking to joke votes, I would've left my vote where it was and not even bothered claiming to be trying to help move the game along.

 

If you think about it logically, what good would it have done for me to try and put pressure on someone to see how people responded, if I had announced that was my intention? If someone says "Nothing about game play or anything, but I just want to see if anyone reacts strangely to my vote on Player X so that maybe I can catch scum or something," that is basically telling the scum to act normal and avoid getting into it, even if it's their teammate. What good does that do, honestly? Part of trying to put pressure on someone is that you want it to be a real chance that pressure might lead to a lynch if they don't give good enough reasons for it not to happen, or someone else isn't more scummy. You can catch a lot more if people think a lynch is actually possible and likely.

 

Stop making false accusations, Red. It doesn't help you at all.

[Blackhoof]

hmmmm setting up future lynches....

 

it is a two-bladed sword for us, since if he flips town we look at his suspects, if he flips mafia we look at his suspects since we think he is distancing.

 

here Hoof is bringing attention to Soyos list. i disagree with the underlined and that seems more like an opportunistic move scum would do. Soyo was Vanilla, therefor his suspect list is just who he thinks is scummy; it's not set in stone and there is no reason why we shoudl pay mor attention to his suspect list by itself anymore than we pay attention to other players suspect lists.

 

well i didnt know he was vanilla for the record, nor does it matter sicne if he was an Informative roel he wouldnt of gotten a chance to use it before his death. why would we pay special attention to his list? because after hsi death, he is a confirmed townie, and therefore making suppositions from a townie viewpoint and notb a potential mafia viewpoint like an alive player would be.

 

I didn't vote you because I felt sorry for Hoof. I thought your reason for voting him was scummy. He says he won't be as active on D1 because 9 out of 10 times, he gets lynched on D1. But we all sign up for these games because we want to play. So he makes a few posts. Not one of them was scummy, at least to me. And he makes them because he enjoys playing and wants to be involved. Yet, he's very careful in his posts to keep them from containing anything that could be interpreted as anti-town. Now, did he break his word? Seems so. But his reasons for not laying low doesn't ping me this time. And for you to call him out for merely wanting to be involved, just doesn't sit right with me. Is it overly scummy? Maybe not, but unfortunately, you're in the bad position of being the only one to stand out. And at this point, I've stated why I voted for you twice and I'm going to drop it now. But with a week still left to us, maybe you'll get lucky and Maw will slip up. I did say I would be OK with voting for him too.

 

on my re-read Ishy post pinged me hard, especially the bolded part. how can you know that he was "very careful in his posts to keep them from containing anything that could be interpreted as anti-town" unless your in communication with him outside of the game and are discussing how he intended to play D1.

 

i just supposed he was assuming that i was being extra-careful given what i had said in my first post.

 

There is no point in continuing this, i think.

 

i am not really sure that Soy IS scum, but he is our best candidate at the moment.

 

Unvote

 

vote soy

 

time for L-1

 

i dislike this vote, Soyo was hardcore after you as scum yet you keep yourself on the fence with a "i'm not sure if he is scum" reluctant vote. knew he was gonna flip townie Hoof and trying to CYA?

 

well, i was never convinced he was scum. just because someone came after me doesnt mean i have to go after him as well. that is a silly reason to think someone is scummy, unless they are using really bad reasoning and you think they are just grasping at straws to get you killed.

 

Vote: Red

 

She posted tons of stuff during night phase like she wasn't scared of being offed.

 

 

I think this is unlikely, Red is a good enough player to realize someone would think that. However, I am suspicious of Hoof atm because of the whole "I'm gonna lay low so I don't get lynched D1" thing. Well, it's not D1 anymore, and he's at the top of my list right now.

 

Vote Hoof

 

 

Vote: Red

 

She posted tons of stuff during night phase like she wasn't scared of being offed.

Actually, I just saw this again and actually read it, and I feel the need to respond.

 

I'm reading this as "she posted tons of stuff during night phase, which is an indicator of her not being scared of being killed." If that's correct, then I'm gonna have to FoS you for faulty reasoning.

 

First of all, metagaming, but I'm pretty sure Red likes to post thoughts during night phase in pretty much every game.

 

This is because of the second thing that is not metagaming, but simple logic--she's posting it BECAUSE she's "afraid" of getting killed. She'd rather get her thoughts out there while she's alive, rather than risk being dead in the morning and unable to share suspicions.

 

That could still be a sign of scumminess, wanting to appear overly town by trying to share her thoughts while she can because she might be NKed, but your reason doesn't make sense.

 

 

Vote: Red

 

She posted tons of stuff during night phase like she wasn't scared of being offed.

 

this pings majorly. very weak reasoning and very out-of-the-blue

 

Vote Wombat

 

Interesting reactions. Meesh's post actually makes sense but Sakaea and Hoof don't really supply much reasoning. Sakaea just tries to slide the discussion back to Hoof and Hoof votes me while sheeping Sakaea and Meesh. I think we could be looking at a Red, Sakaea, Hoof scum team.

 

isnt it kind of hypocritical of you to talk to us about lack of rerasoning when you did the same thing yourself when voting red?

 

Vote: Red

 

She posted tons of stuff during night phase like she wasn't scared of being offed.

 

 

I think this is unlikely, Red is a good enough player to realize someone would think that. However, I am suspicious of Hoof atm because of the whole "I'm gonna lay low so I don't get lynched D1" thing. Well, it's not D1 anymore, and he's at the top of my list right now.

 

Vote Hoof

 

Here Sakaea accuses and votes Hoof because of that lurking strategy. Yes it isn't D1 but D2 has barely started as she posted that. So she couldn't know if Hoof was going to continue like that.

 

Vote Sakaea

 

 

You're kidding, right? I voted him for his D1 behavior. Whether or not it continues was immaterial and continues to be so. FOS you for voting me with such weak reasoning.

 

why are you bringing attention back to this? so you are voting me for doing somethign i claimed i would do... sa strange and weaksauce reason.

 

I am 100% behind Sakaea here. Why does it matter if he keeps acting that way? He was acting that way already. Why does it need to continue to be suspicious? That's not to say I agree with hoof as a target, but I really dislike the attack on Sakaea. VOTE LEDINNA.

 

because i have explained my day 1 behaviour- i did not want to die so i tried to be inactive, however i still posted a bit. it is therefore not really suspicious and if i continue past day 1 like that, it is cause for suspicion.

[WWWwombat]

isnt it kind of hypocritical of you to talk to us about lack of rerasoning when you did the same thing yourself when voting red?

 

Not at all. I provided a good reason for my vote. You did not do so for yours. Your "reason" was that my reason was "weak" and that it "pinged majorly" which is extremely vague and therefore not a good justification. You trying to scare me off a vote for a teammate?

[Amadine]

Red is pinging me as per usual, at this stage i am not confident to make a decision as to whether i feel she is town or scum.

 

I am getting a townish feel from Meesh at the moment.

 

Hoof's declaration of remaining inactive day one to stay alive make sense in light of his previous games, yet something does not feel quite right. For the moment i am giving him the benefit of the doubt as to be trying to change his playstyle as i have not read anything overly scummy in any of his posts.

 

At the moment i feel that Ishy and Kae are the most suspicious, then Womby. As usual i have not got much to go on other than a gut feeling, but i will attempt to gather some information on what gives me these feelings but i can't guarantee it.

[Blackhoof]

isnt it kind of hypocritical of you to talk to us about lack of rerasoning when you did the same thing yourself when voting red?

 

Not at all. I provided a good reason for my vote. You did not do so for yours. Your "reason" was that my reason was "weak" and that it "pinged majorly" which is extremely vague and therefore not a good justification. You trying to scare me off a vote for a teammate?

 

Well, I suppose we must agree to disagree. Voting someone because they were active during night imo is a bad reason, and voting someone BECAUSE they had a bad reason for voting someone is a good reason imo.

[John E. Kelley]

At the moment i feel that Ishy and Kae are the most suspicious, then Womby.

 

I wish you'd expound on this a little.

[John E. Kelley]

And also, I will Unvote for now.

[John E. Kelley]

Unvote. Fixed.

[John E. Kelley]

Maybe I was rolefishing, but here's my reasoning. My point was that just saying you're town isn't a great defense. It seems weak, like you can't come up with anything else. Yeah, he was vanilla, but if he had been the doc or the cop, wouldn't y'all have wanted him to say so before we lynched him?

 

Big FoS at Sakaea for the bolded part.

[Blackhoof]

And also, I will Unvote for now.

 

Why?

[John E. Kelley]

And also, I will Unvote for now.

 

Why?

Are you really wanting me to keep my vote on you that badly?

[Blackhoof]

No no.... just curious. Was my defence so stalwart?