"Perrin, You have some explaining to do..."

[Winespring Patron]

How will Rand react when Perrin updates him? Perrin's private deal with the Seanchan might not sit well with Rand, especially when he realizes the connection to the current Aiel antagonism / undercurrents. The Wise Ones and Aiel with Perrin saw the Shaido deprivations first hand and more or less unofficially designated the Shaido and their Wise Ones as Da'tsang. Most of the Aiel with Rand are hearing 2nd hand reports of Wise One captivity which is generating resentment that will lead to Feud status if Avi's Rhuidean "way forward ter'angreal" vision is correct.

 

Also Perrin didn't accomplish his primary mission: bringing Masema and his followers to Rand. Somehow I don't think Faile will speak up and clarify that Masema isn't just missing but actually dead and incapable of causing further trouble.

[FarShainMael]

She doesn't have to. Perrin found Masema's body, and those of his remaining followers, in ToM2. He doesn't know who killed them though.

[Mandro]

She doesn't have to. Perrin found Masema's body, and those of his remaining followers, in ToM2. He doesn't know who killed them though.

 

Which I find ridiculous, They were all peppered with arrows, with the exception of Masema who's throat was slit with a knife. There's not a lot of math in the equation.

 

And if you think Perrin has to account for HIS deal with the Seanchan what do you think of Matt's connection?

[FarShainMael]

The corpses were pretty far gone when Perrin saw them - he 'smelled Masema's scent through the rot' - so he may not have known. And Perrin does think to himself that he had never found why Faile had been meeting with the Prophet, and probably never would, so he may be wondering about it.

[JKN-SW]

Rand was striving hard for an alliance or at least a truce with the Seanchan. Why would he be upset that Perrin succeeded with that, if on a smaller scale? And by taking a part in the fighting, the Shaido WO has left their status as "untouchables". The problem will come after the year and day in captivity, isn't that what was said at som epoint?

[damandred]

The corpses were pretty far gone when Perrin saw them - he 'smelled Masema's scent through the rot' - so he may not have known. And Perrin does think to himself that he had never found why Faile had been meeting with the Prophet, and probably never would, so he may be wondering about it.

 

 

Faile meeting with the prophet?? You mean Masuri?

 

I don't think Perrin will be to worried about Rands reaction to his dealings with the seanchan after all the Shaido had captured his wife, and his oath bound Queen. And once Rand finds out he also rescued Morgase who he blames himself for leaving to Rhavin, well I believe he would let most thinks go after that. Plus he might even be glad that his followers have co-operated sucessfully with the Seachan and take it as proof they can fight side by side during the LB. As for the Aiel once the WO's with Perrin report what the shaido had been up too and that they themselves helped I don't think they will blame Perrin.

[LazyMonk]

Rand would be ecstatic about the final outcome, though perhaps some details might upset him.

1. Perrin doesn't bring back Masema and followers, he does bring an alliance with Ghealdan -- much more useful and impressive.

2. Bringing much useful info on the Seanchan and connections that can be used in future talks, Rand still wants peace with them.

3. Supplying a huge army... much bigger and better disciplined than Masema's collection of freaks.

4. Dealing with the Shaido. That was one of Rand's failings and he was bothered by it.

5. Bringing the Whitecloaks under Rand's command.

 

* Of all of Perrin's decisions, the only one that can and should bother Rand is allowing the Seanchan to capture Wise Ones.

[FarShainMael]

@damandred:

 

Perrin had never figured out why she'd been meeting with the Prophet. Probably never would, considering what had happened to Masema.

 

Masema Dagar, self-proclaimed Prophet of the Dragon.

 

Masuri's an AS.

[Lisa Campbell]

* Of all of Perrin's decisions, the only one that can and should bother Rand is allowing the Seanchan to capture Wise Ones.

 

I don't think that will be an issue, the Shaido Wise Ones were named Da'tsang by the WO's with Perrin. I would have thought that the dreamwalker WO's (Amys, Bair, Melaine) would have kept in contact with the ones with Perrin though, so they would have known what was going on. For that matter Tam could have updated Rand of the events at Malden and Masema after VoG.

[damandred]

@damandred:

 

Perrin had never figured out why she'd been meeting with the Prophet. Probably never would, considering what had happened to Masema.

 

Masema Dagar, self-proclaimed Prophet of the Dragon.

 

Masuri's an AS.

 

 

Yeah I know who Masuri is and it was she who was meeting with Masema, not faile

[FarShainMael]

There are three women in Perrin's attention at that point: Faile, Berelain, and Annoura. From context, Perrin prob means Annoura, not Faile . Sorry!

[damandred]

I know that the point I was making was Faile had never met Masema

[FarShainMael]

At least, not until she killed him OK, I'm with you now.

[LazyMonk]

* Of all of Perrin's decisions, the only one that can and should bother Rand is allowing the Seanchan to capture Wise Ones.

 

I don't think that will be an issue, the Shaido Wise Ones were named Da'tsang by the WO's with Perrin. I would have thought that the dreamwalker WO's (Amys, Bair, Melaine) would have kept in contact with the ones with Perrin though, so they would have known what was going on. For that matter Tam could have updated Rand of the events at Malden and Masema after VoG.

Da'tsang or not, it doesn't mean they should be condemned to a fate worse then death. And it definitely doesn't mean gifting the Seanchan with more awesome weapons of war.

[damandred]

No one in Perrins army liked the idea of the Shaido WO's going to the Seanchan, but that was the price for their help in getting Faile back, and they never had a cat in hells chance of getting her back otherwise. It was to their minds the lesser of two evils.

[Majsju]

Rand main reason to send Perrin to fetch Masema was because Masema and his followers were causing all kinds of trouble in Rands name. That problem is now solved, even if it got a bit messier than originally planned. So Rand should give Perrin a pat on the back and tell him Well done.

 

Same thing with his deal with the Seanchan. Thanks to Perrin, there is now a high ranking seanchan officer who has stood side by side with one of the ta'veren lads on the battle field. incidently, the same officer who is one of very few Seanchan with direct experience of fighting shadowspawn. Another thing Raand should appreciate.

 

Allowing the Seanchan to capture a bunch of Wise Ones might give Perrin some issues with the other Wise Ones, but I doubt Rand will care very much about it, other than him generally being against the concept of damane. But in his current state of mind, he will probably see it as something the survivors of TG will have to sort out for themselves.

[Master of Germs]

I don't think we need a lot of explaining on-screen. SO, here comes Perrin: "Hi, Rand! You look as ugly as always. I saved my wife. Shaido - killed. Masema - killed. And there's a huge crowd following me. Now it's high time for a beer, isn't it! Bring in some ale, or I'm gonna smash your head with my kick-ass brand new hammer. And, by the way, do you realise that you're an idiot. Turning apples into apples?!?! Haven't you heard about apple cider? You're shame for your father"

 

Just joking, of course. But still, I think Rand needs some drink for a loooong time. Why not with Perrin? If he's going to spill his blood at the rocks of SG, let him have some alcohol to ease the pain :)

[FarShainMael]

Wait til Mat arrives, then they can have a party

[BekahRebel]

Since Rand is all nice and forgiving now I doubt Perrin is going to have much trouble, except maybe in seeing the way Rand is now...

And as everyone has pointed out, Masema is dead so Perrin's basically done his job : stopped a lot of atrocities by Dragonsworn and gathered a nice army (not to mention a Queens sworn allegiance)...

 

And yeah, I have always been confused by how little Rand actually knows of Perrin's adventures - The WO should be able to communicate through dream walking, and they would be willing to at least share some titbits with Rand... Not to mention, he has Asha'man with him, so why was he and they so unable to go see Rand..? So very weird :\

[David Selig]

IIRC there are only three Dreamwalkers among the Wise Ones and none of them was with Perrin.

 

Of course, Perrin and Rand should've kept contact using Travelling, and the fact that Perrin didn't even consider asking Rand for help dealing with the Shaido makes no sense to me.

[BekahRebel]

Well, that explains the Wise Ones then :)

[Winespring Patron]

She doesn't have to. Perrin found Masema's body, and those of his remaining followers, in ToM2. He doesn't know who killed them though.

Thanks for the reminder, that passage had slipped my mind. Do you think he still might only tell Rand that Masema went missing after the Battle of Malden to avoid further awkward questions? Is there a possibility that Balwer might have told Perrin off-screen of his wife's complicity? Very few significant things escape Seban's notice and I'm sure he has been observing Cha Faile.

 

Also, in my original post I wasn't implying that Rand will cast Perrin out from his inner circle but I think he will see the results of Malden as another complication in his dealings with the Aiel. This new diplomatic connection (Tylee Khirgan) with the Seanchan might not balance out the damage of the Aiel malcontent or the Seanchan being reinforced by several hundred new damane.

[mandersen]

Old Rand would've been pissed for sure. New enlightened Rand is too in-tune with the pattern to fault perrin. I'm sure he'd recognize that perrin did the job required of him, even if it wasn't the job rand originally assigned him.

[BekahRebel]

Balwer is an odd one though in the information he chooses not to give out... He didn't betray Morgase, and I doubt he'd betray Faile either...

[Winespring Patron]

And if you think Perrin has to account for HIS deal with the Seanchan what do you think of Matt's connection?

Since I'm a Mat fan it's hard for me to be objective about the problems his marriage to Fortuona may cause Rand. However, Mat and the Band, have done a heck of a lot of military damage to Seanchan forces in Altara and pulled a blocking army (threatening Murandy) out of position. So, that in essence should serve to counter any criticism that Rand isn't opposing the Seanchan strongly enough.