[Advanced] Lily's Mythical Beings Mafia

[Amadine]

I am not trawling through past games looking for an obscure post to satisfy your need for evidence. If you don't believe me that's fine *shrugs*

 

Checking in.

 

Vote Verbal

 

This game is too easy

 

First ping - the off hand "too easy" comment reads as blasé to me.

 

for right now i am, until i see someone better to move my vote to. honestly if it comes between a rushed "random" type lynch, i'd much prefer a No lynch majority. like i said, you can get just as much info if not more info off a No Lynch majority.

 

 

question to barm is why so agaisn thte idea? it's not like it's near a deadline or i'm splitting votes and preventing a Majority.

 

Quoted for clarity

 

Time for another blatant bandwagon

 

Unvote, vote Red

 

Second ping: admits bandwagon and offers no explanation otherwise.

 

for right now i am, until i see someone better to move my vote to.

 

And if we all did this, nothing would happen. Advocating a sideline approach is not pro-town on Day 1.

 

like i said, you can get just as much info if not more info off a No Lynch majority.

 

Lanth?? What happened to you??

 

 

Third ping: cuts down Red's quote then misconstrues it as advocating for a sideline approach.

 

Fourth ping: Sakaea posted a FoS against Hybrid asking him to explain the bandwagon vote. He ignored that and continued posting. It was pointed out that he ignored it by Red, then Sakaea again and still he declined to comment.

 

The Red train is going nowhere.

 

Unvote, vote Des

 

 

I'd like to see more votes on Despothera at the moment.

 

Fifth ping: Jumps off Red and onto Des with no explanation or case made, then calls for further votes on Des - no casing again.

 

Hybrid is just getting even scummier- he is on my cards for tommorow unless something happens to change mty mind.

 

 

Again blasé comments which give nothing to the game.

 

But you'd be wrong to think you would catch scum lynching me Hoof. I already said I was town, I meant it, and should y'all decide to follow through with this nonsense, all of town is going to be very, very sorry. Count on it.

 

Either claim, or don't claim. None of this half-claim silliness.

 

Unvote, vote Ishamael

Oh look! A post with a reason for voting. An a valid one too.

Interesting, Ishy. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt...for now. UNVOTE

 

I'll check to see what's happened over night first thing in the morning.

 

This unvote stinks.

 

If Ishamael flips scum, I'd be looking at you next.

 

How did that stink? Ishy is not confirmed and Sakaea stated as much.

 

Unvote, Vote Hybrid.

 

At least now we get to focus on this guy's scumminess. Here's what I want to know Hybrid, you seemed almost nonchalant in your vote swaps, any reason for that? I know I've switched votes but I've done it for the benefit of the town each time. Yours seemed more of the scrambling to get anyone lynched variety. Am I missin the mark here?

 

Another question for Hybrid which goes unanswered.

 

Unvote, vote Des

 

Another unexplained vote hop.

 

Actually I'm tempted to just hammer myself.....

 

I'm the finder, but since you forced me to reveal, even if I do survive the day phase, scum will just NK me tonight, so kudos to all of you for forcing my hand.

 

I tremendously dislike this post.

 

The amount of pique is over the top . . . tempted to believe that it's a fake claim, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for now.

 

Hybrid called Sakaea out for her benefit of the doubt post - then says the same thing himself.

 

Reveal time then, because I don't know how active people will be tomorrow.

 

I'm the roleblocker.

The final straw for me.

[Nolder]

Tigs, Gilligan's Island mafia. Ask Min, who was the mod. I was symp.

Ama - look below.

That's what I remember off the top of my head, though, I wanna say Al Jenn has done it for some reason.

I've heard about others doing it, but certainly don't remember details.

No, I will not quote it for you.

Take your lazy rear end and look yourself.

I don't see how it's lazy considering I'm not the one making the claim

and this my...8th? game here on DM? something like that

you can't expect me to know stuff buried in games I wasn't even around to know about let alone play in

 

why would you do that?

why not claim something else?

can you link me to this claim? you seem to be implying that you were lynched because you did not state that you were town but I'd like to know for sure if that's the case

It's game play. It's what people do to win. It's what they do to survive. Just because you don't understand this tactic yourself is no reason to straight up put it down, or deny it as plausible.

I am denying it though because as a tactic it makes almost no sense except in very very very specific situations which I'm not even sure could be called a good tactic anyway

there isn't any reason to claim mafia

it's dumb

period

it leads to being lynched

 

Go search yourself! It'd take just as long for you to find a link to a specific post as someone else, unless for god knows what reason, someone bookmarked that specific link.

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unless you're talking about reading hybrid in this thread specifically let me redirect you to the above where you can't expect me to search game threads months old that I was never around to even know about let alone play in

 

He has eluded all Day, Nol. That's a major thing he has been doing that's scummy.

thank you

was that so hard?

 

>.>

 

Nol, you get under my skin.

 

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because I'm questioning a questionable lynch?

if your reasons are good they should be able to stand under scrutiny shouldn't they?

[Nolder]

As a town roleblocker he is only useful if he gets lucky and blocks scum, but has a high likelyhood of blocking a role that is beneficial to the town instead.

funny

you could almost say the same thing about a doctor minus the part about having a high likelyhood of blocking a town kill since those aren't as common

 

and speaking of the likelyhood of blocking a townie vs scum it depends on a lot of factors so I don't know that it's actually fair to say it has a high likelyhood

it's true town outnumbers scum but there's no reason town POWER ROLES have to outnumber scums, especially in an advanced game

also taking into consideration that roleblocker is one of towns power roles (hypothetical of course) and it might even be more likely that the roleblocker would hit a scum power role

but then we have to factor in the individual players and how they've played because the decision of who to roleblock is not 100% random

 

so uhh

yeah

I don't agree or disagree with what you said

I think it's something we can't really determine one way or another in a game this size

[Nolder]

@Ama: thank you

I can get behind some of that stuff

others I don't find terribly scummy

but it's something at least

[ed2funy]

>.>

 

Nol, you get under my skin.

 

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because I'm questioning a questionable lynch?

if your reasons are good they should be able to stand under scrutiny shouldn't they?

 

No. Your inability to see anything but your own line of thought. Demanding others to go get quotes from other games, which have prolly happened a LONG time ago. Etc, etc. It's your attitude. Not you questioning the votes.

[Nolder]

No. Your inability to see anything but your own line of thought. Demanding others to go get quotes from other games, which have prolly happened a LONG time ago. Etc, etc. It's your attitude. Not you questioning the votes.

do I have a bit of an attitude?

yes

in this case I'll admit I do

think about the game we're playing, the nature of it

you're not only trying to tell me that claiming mafia happens, often, but you expect me to believe it's somehow a good strategy?

come on man get real

it's not a good strategy and you can't justify it

what kind of pisses me off is I'm giving you the chance to prove to me that it happens and that it can be a viable strategy and instead of doing the work to prove your point you'd rather take the lazy way out and just call me close minded

that's fine though

you are not obligated to prove anything to me

 

coming back to the situation at hand why don't you try looking at it from my point of view?

I see a potentially townie power role being bandwagon'd because OMG HE DIDN'T SAY HE WAS TOWN WHEN HE ROLECLAIMED SO THEREFORE HE MUST BE SCUM

that's just dumb

the people who voted for that reason are either mafia or they didn't take the time to actually think what they were saying

 

looking at some of the stuff Amadine posted I see there was definitely a case to be made against hybrid

for sure

not gonna argue that

but voting him because he didn't explicitly state that he was town just really...offends me as a player

scum do not claim scum stop trying to pretend like they do

[Karasayl]

Ok getting nowhere on the Ishy vote so I'll go with the benefit of the doubt for now. Sorry its taken me so long to get online, but hey, it WAS Friday night.

 

UNVOTE, VOTE HYBRID

[Barmacral]

As a town roleblocker he is only useful if he gets lucky and blocks scum, but has a high likelyhood of blocking a role that is beneficial to the town instead.

funny

you could almost say the same thing about a doctor minus the part about having a high likelyhood of blocking a town kill since those aren't as common

 

No, you can't almost say the same thing about the doctor. A doctor protecting the wrong person (happens almost every time) does not stop town friendly roles from working. A roleblocker does.

[Nolder]

As a town roleblocker he is only useful if he gets lucky and blocks scum, but has a high likelyhood of blocking a role that is beneficial to the town instead.

funny

you could almost say the same thing about a doctor minus the part about having a high likelyhood of blocking a town kill since those aren't as common

 

No, you can't almost say the same thing about the doctor. A doctor protecting the wrong person (happens almost every time) does not stop town friendly roles from working. A roleblocker does.

"is only useful"

a doctor is only useful when he blocks a kill

otherwise he might as well just be a powerless townie

that's all I meant

[Lanthirrhos]

You've made a lot of crap up to fit your own arguments there Lanth, and I'm not going to waste my time responding to it. Instead of making your own crap-logic up constantly, why don't you go back and actually read what people are posting.

 

Of course you wont. You wont even clarify which parts were made up, because I could easily demonstrate that they weren't--and it's easier as scum to blanket-deny an entire post/argument so you don't get caught in the actual details... especially when you've screwed up already. Congrats on officially gaining my attention. Maybe the screw up was merely that--innocent and unfortunate. But this reply makes scumdom much more probable in your case. You have yet to contribute much of anything besides made up voting reasons that change every 3 posts. This just seals the deal.

 

But I didn't act scummy. I pointed out that Des acted scummy, posted my reasons and fail to see how that's scummy. I guess I should just watch the thread, not post anything and hope to skate through? No thanks.

 

Barm would like this, becaue if you poke at him, He'll just run and hide anyways.

 

I need a refresher if anyone is on. As far as I know, isn't a RB a scum role? And before you go ballistic on me, remember that this is my 6th or 7th game ever. I was just wondering if a RB could also be town-aligned. Since I don't know one way or the other I will Unvote Des, and may be revoting Hybrid depending on what you guys can tell me.

 

I believe Hy is already dead (I didn't keep a running vote tally but I think he has enough and is hammered). But Nolder ha a lot of good points here. I know that "Roleblocker" is traditionally conidered a scum role--but I've played more games with it as a town role than as a scum power. Nolder also has decent points on everal other flawed arguments. Sorry, but if people want to charge in blindly, they're likely to get bit in the arse. Don't whine about the messenger. However, most of the games in which I've played that had town role blockers were power heavey--everyone (or nearly) had a power. I don't think this game is like that. I'm roleless (and No, I WONT say "townie". That IS silly in the extreme. Like anyone would believe it anyways. And further, those who need to say "townie" are probably a bit insecure/afraid of something).

 

THAT said, consider the game we are in. I am presuming that we're all mythical creatures. ( ) Mythical creatures have very specific and special powers. A unicorn isn't going to have the power to shoot lightning out of it's arse. So Hybrid likely has a power asossiated with his Mythical creature--NOT his alignment (admitted speculation, and beyond the point if Hy is already hammered). Although at this point, we don't really have time to change no matter what.

 

A townie would have stated town in their reveal IMO

 

UNVOTE

VOTE HYBRID

 

 

You didn't say town or mafia....

 

Unvote, Vote Hybrid

 

These are quite possibly the stupidest reasons I have ever seen for voting for someone in my mafia career.

 

I suppose you would also like to lynch Ishamael for not declaring that he was the "town" finder?

 

(Seriously -- there are plenty of good reasons for voting me -- not enough time for another candidate, too much blatant bandwagoning, etc. But this . . . wow.)

 

Agreed. It's nice to be lynched for the right reasons no matter what side you are on. Most of the ones against you are wrong. If people really were trying, they'd go for the most info kill--the person who has clashed with the most people. (that's probably me So they can vote for you as far as I'm concerned )

 

A roleblocker who was town aligned would say they were town aligned. RB is a scum role far more often than it is a town role - hybrid knows that i am sure. Anyone who was town and claiming RB would be sure to differentiate. The way he has revealed was the same way i did in a previous game with an ambiguous role - i was scum and just stated my role and let the chips fall where they may.

 

Nolder you just shot way up my list, if Hybrid does flip scum i'll be looking at you.

 

I addressed this a bit already. Not in my experience. But games at MJ are far different than the ones here. Far less linear along the lines of "normal" mafia standards in terms of set up and play styles. (To be clear, that isn't to knock DM style, it's just to give example to how my experience is likely a bit corrupted in DM's eyes).

 

Just in case he's not hammered: (not sure I'll be on later)

 

Unvote

 

Hybrid

[Lanthirrhos]

Oh gosh yeah, we're way over the hammer. Any last words, Hy?

[Hybrid]

Sorry that that last post was a bit harsh. I was tired, not in a particularly good mood, and I hate being voted off for lame reasons.

 

Btw, I have seen scum (using scum here as universal evil) claim scum . . . but only in situations where being that scum requires staying alive or coordinating a plan with the other scum factions. Example: claim serial killer because mafia is close to a win, and the serial killer needs to be kept alive.

 

So yes, town was quite obviously implied in my reveal.

 

Barm's reason is solid (though he should know I'm a good enough player to not fire away wildly with a roleblocking power as town). If I'd lived, I'd either have holstered or blocked Despothera.

[LilyElizabeth]

Aiel post raid party... Lily, can you just delete it?

No, but Verbal can. Go ahead, Verb, if you would.

[LilyElizabeth]

Final Vote count:

 

Hybrid (11) – Red, Vam, Ed, Des, Key, Raena, Tina, Lee, Ama, Barm, Karas

Des (5) – Min, Lanth, Hy, Nolder, Sakaea

Ishy (1) – Hoof

Karas (1) – Kat

 

 

Not voting – Verb, Ishy

 

With 20 alive it takes 11 to lynch. Deadline Saturday 8 PM MST.

 

 

All day long fingers were pointed and accusations flew. At one point, the arguing got so heated that shouts were heard, causing a startled flock of birds to flee from the tree they had been roosting in. It was Ishmael, a lot of people were sure. He was one of the evil ones. They nearly hung him before he shouted “No, I am here to find the evil ones” and many believed him, or at least gave him the benefit of the doubt. Eventually, it came down to two. Was it Despothera or Hybrid? One of them must be evil. But which one?

 

Eventually, the majority chose Hybrid. But how to kill him? Eventually, it was decided to tie him up (no easy task) and throw him off the cliff into the lake. Hopefully, he would drown.

 

 

Hybrid, Dragon, Town roleblocker, has been lynched.

 

It is now night 1. Please send your night actions in promptly. Deadline Monday 12pm MST.

[Nolder]

oh man that feels good

I mean it's crappy that you guys killed our roleblocker (and it is true that they can be just as harmful as useful if used improperly (the same can be said of a vig)) but this is one of the most satisfying "I told you so"'s I've ever had

partially because I wasn't 100% sure Hybrid was innocent

the case against him was decent and that had me worried

but the quick bandwagon with the reasoning that he didn't state he was town was a huge tipoff that this was a mafia lynch

so yeah

that's all I've got to say about that

RIP Hybrid

 

oh also one more thing

how in the heck did we manage to tie up a dragon anyway let alone pick him up and throw him off a cliff

maybe he was a small dragon I dunno

[LilyElizabeth]

I updated the lynch post with the night action deadline.

 

And, Nolder, I challenge you to write a better death scene for a dragon. It wasn't an easy thing.

[LilyElizabeth]

Oh, and if you're not using your action tonight, please let me know that, too.

[Nolder]

sorry I was just trying to be funny

didn't mean to criticize

[LilyElizabeth]

I know. I was just picking on you.

[Hybrid]

Told you so, Rule 14, go town, etc.

[Minuet]

Well, crap, you people lynched the town role blocker. Sorry about that Hybrid.

 

Oh, when I stated that Ishy needed to reveal, I don't want roles revealed of course. Just scum and not scum. The scum knows who they are. Duh! Why can't we know when he views someone? I don't mind him sharing if he views me. Are you all getting worried or something?

[keyholder21]

Sorry I haven't been around last night and today guys - my friend's mom had a stroke so I've been taking care of her kids while she's been at the hospital. Her brother just got into town though, so my shifts with the kids might be changing. I just got home so I have to do some things around here before I can get back to the game.

[Nolder]

Sorry I haven't been around last night and today guys - my friend's mom had a stroke so I've been taking care of her kids while she's been at the hospital. Her brother just got into town though, so my shifts with the kids might be changing. I just got home so I have to do some things around here before I can get back to the game.

oh wow that's super bad

sorry to hear that

 

my friends mom had a stroke a few years ago on his birthday

he now has the full time job of taking care of her (she also has MS so she was in a wheelchair even before the stroke)

I help out when I'm there but there's only so much I can do

I mostly just help with easy stuff like getting her food when she's hungry or putting her feet back up on her chair when they slip off

 

anyway my point is I know how hard it can be on a family

my thoughts go out to your friend and her mother

[LilyElizabeth]

No worries, Key. Real life comes first. If you need to bow out, just let me know, okay? I hope she has a full recovery.

[Minuet]

Key I hope all goes well. If they catch a stoke in time there is a medication they can give you that makes a huge difference.