[Basic] Saw Mafia - Day 6

[Sakaea]

Vodka mixers

[Blackhoof]

wow, this game has stalled a bit.

 

it is ironic that Maw was advocating lynching someone quickly, no matter what we said about taking our time, and we ended up lynching him far too quickly

[Nolder]

Vodka mixers

the last time I drank vodka I lost track of how much I was drinking and downed about 2/3 of a bottle by myself

then I threw up :(

since then I've been sticking to whiskey and rum

[Nolder]

wow, this game has stalled a bit.

it's kind of hard to keep going when about half of our players aren't posting or if they do they only post once and give only a tiny bit of input

also our mod appears to be inactive as well =/

[JenLenaMom]

It's the weekend. Red is rarely around Mod or not. Some of us have families we like to spend time with.

[amegakure]

Well I know im part of the problem but talking about how drunk u got last night and spending like two pages on a pointless debate on inactive docent really give room for input. And old info has been thoroughly covered. If they don't wish to play then its there problem. Like nolder said they wont reveal since u don't mean to lynch them. Second mafia will be waiting to jump on a bandwagon like that. Although it will help the mafia to have townies modkilled. One suggestion would be for a finder to take the time to find out there alignment.

 

Also when they finally reveal we will have a finder to jump on them or whatever. We can question them on their inactivity. Also finding out if there active else were would be helpful!

[Nolder]

and spending like two pages on a pointless debate on inactive docent really give room for input.

I don't think it's pointless considering votes are involved

also you could easily be one of the people being voted

you've given some input compared to other people but it still hasn't been much

this effects you just as much as it effects them

 

And old info has been thoroughly covered.

you didn't even really comment on what I said about Verbal despite being one of the more interested people (seemingly anyway)

you have information.

 

information = useful

I don't have any information that's not already in the thread

 

yes of course but you see it in a different light than the rest of us. so how do the pieces fit together for you nolder.... lets hear what your thinking.

[amegakure]

Actually not really. If I warrant voting for being inactive feel free! I have been semi active in my last game but otherwise just laziness. I agreed with Ishy on ur point on Verbal. Its not enough to put a case around although verbal has dissapeared but that could purely be the weekend.

[Blackhoof]

to be honest i think we should all vote (and perhaps lynch) verbal.

 

he is the ONLY player we have a case on so far, other than a few people who are inactive lol

 

have i voted verbal yet? i could have sworn i did. i shall re-vote to make sure.

 

unvote

 

vote verbal

[Niniel]

I don´t think you can show us a better case on Verbal then anyone else right now. I´m still waiting for Red to tell us if she is going to replace some of the players.

[Nolder]

I don´t think you can show us a better case on Verbal then anyone else right now. I´m still waiting for Red to tell us if she is going to replace some of the players.

ditto

 

I think we either need to have Red confirm that these people are inactive and/or are being being replaced or she needs to poke them into action

 

I'm not even sure if we can reach a majority given the number of people not really posting...

I think maybe we can but still it's close

[Leelou]

Unofficial Vote Count

 

Christine (2): Ishy, Tina

Nyn (2): Sakaea, Leelou

Verbal (1): Blackhoof

 

Not voting: Nol, Nyn, Ley, Amega, Chrissy, JLM, Verbal

[Verbal32]

No, this is how it works day one: We kill someone, we look at people connected with them, we use that info to kill someone else. Someone needs to die and i don't care who it is. Get a bandwagon with enough for a lynch going and i will jump on it.

 

Unvote. Vote Mawthtex.

Just..wow. Don't care who it is eh? And what if it's the doc or finder? We have 72 hours, if everyone would actually get on and post, it's nowhere near impossible to get scum on D1. A little harder sure, but not caring who gets lynched today reeks of scumminess.

 

Ishy has a point here. Yes, we need a lynch. Should it be a blind shot without much fuss? Heck no. Just randomly saying you'll hop on a train without any thought behind it or, like Ishy said -- consideration for power roles -- is suspicious.

 

Vote: Mawthtex

so he avoided joining in on the other...2? 3? bandwagons that had formed prior to maw's but suddenly he joins in this one and merely echos what Ishy has already said

which is not really out of the ordinary but the way he puts it feels off to me

saying it's "suspicious" feels like he's leaving himself room to back out when provided with "new information" or whatnot

and afterall it was Ishy that propagated the lynch right? Verbal was just duped into following along!

I don't think so

it can be said I'm reading too much into the little Verbal is saying but I think that's really the heart of the matter

IMHO Verbal appears to be going out of his way to say/do as little as possible

 

You are correct. You are reading too much. Duped? I call it simply agreeing with what the man had said. Why bother repeating him? Actually, based on that, you'll have to lynch Blackhoof now - I'll come back to that in a bit.

 

 

Did I? Oh well, it was an entire paragraph. Cut me some slack. No, i did say it at the bottom. Ley keeps going after any aggressive players. Possible mafia for two reasons: aggressive players are generally the most likely to get a mafia lynched and I concur about the Mafia getting Hoof's vote (see Nol's reasoning above) and I said that i think he is the one controlling hoof's vote. Feel free to tell me why i'm wrong.

 

Because you are at L-1, which is 6 votes, and there are 6 people voting you.....meaning that if Ley had the extra vote....wouldn't you be dead?

it's odd that someone who seems to care so little about what's going on that he can't be bothered to form his own opinions or make his own case would take the time to call out maw on his admittedly flawed defense

the only thing I can think that would make Verbal reach out like that is that he wanted this lynch to happen

which leads to the question of why?

and that leads me to conclude that Verbal must be mafia or a very very aloof townie which is not the vibe I'm getting from him

 

what do you guys think?

ya'll seemed to build up my "case" at night but I never implied I had any solid spectacular mind blowing proof that he was mafia so if that's what you were expecting...sorry!

 

I'm going to ignore the random comment on me not caring, as that is waayyyy too subjective of a comment to bother arguing with, and cut to the core here. If person A makes a statement that person B agrees with, should person B simply regurgitate the same information? Or perhaps...state that they agree with them and vote accordingly? I'll leave the answer to you.

 

 

 

i believe that Nol has presented a very sound case agaisnt Verb. We dont have much to go on so far but let us try to get an answer out of him...

 

vote verbal

 

And here we are. Ishy called Maw out on some comments he made. Ok, nothing weird there. I noticed those comments as well, and saw that Ishy had called Maw out. Still nothing weird. As I agreed with Ishy, what would you like me to do -- repeat him? No, that's redundant. What you, Blackhoof, have just done is EXACTLY what I did yesterday. I saw something I agreed with, voted accordingly, and let it apply pressure.

 

If you agree with Nolder's case, then you are being hypocritical by voting me, right? Actually, Ishy answered this already:

 

 

I have to disagree Hoof. I said it was an un-Verb-like post, but not particularly scummy. And now that I've had time to reread, there wasn't much else to say other than what I posted anyways. Maw said he would lynch anyone without regard to the consequences, would feel no remorse about said lynch, and I called him out on it. Verb said I nailed it, and really, there isn't much you can add to that imo. Posting a ton of filler and fluff just for the sake of filler and fluff is just kinda meh. And I'm not going to call out Verb for not doing just that.

 

^ This - I'm not going to add fluff. If you want to lynch me for agreeing with another player and applying an early pressure vote, then that is certainly your prerogative.

[Red2111]

about inacttives. the rules say something on this, but inactives should never stall active players form playing; so don't wait on me to address the inactives instead of continuing to play the game. ya'll want to lynch the inactives or vote for them to grab their attention, by all means do so.

 

if a replacement is made i'll inform you guys on thread once the replacement is made, otherwise all poking and replacing players will be done via PM. if i sound a bit snappish, i've yet to have my coffee and this rule of thumb is the same in all mafia games played on DM so i don't see why it's being made into such a big deal. aside from the fact it's the weekand and activity is always lower on the weekand.

 

 

Deadline

 

12 alive, 7 to lynch

 

22:41:24

 

Vote Count

 

Chrissy (2): Ishy, Tina

Nyn (2): Sakaea, Leelou

Verbal (1): Hoof

 

No Vote (07): Nyn, Amega, Nol, Verbal, Ley, JLM, Chrissy

[Verbal32]

Red is right - either we play the game and ignore the inactives, or we deal with them via lynching. Christine was inactive in another recent game, and I won't lie - it does hurt the game. I'm ok with voting there for multiple reasons:

 

1. it appears you guys are going in that direction anyway

2. a small measure of self-preservation ;-)

 

Vote: Christine

[Nolder]

I'll respond to you after I wake up from sleeping verb

 

@Red

I don't mean to sound whiney but that's not really fair

if these people are legitimately inactive everyone is at a disadvantage

well...the mafia's not really at a disadvantage if none of their players are inactive but since we can't know one way or another we'll just assume it's everyone

 

with inactives we're forced to make a decision, either ignore them and hope they're not mafia or lynch them and hope they're not town

even if we ignore them and they're not mafia they are potentially townies with helpful roles like cop or doc

we shouldn't be forced to waste our lynches on these people or ignore them

neither is a good choice for town

 

additionally the number of people not posting or posting very little is very large

nearly half the people in the game

how are we supposed to choose between all those people with so little information?

and moreover, is that even still mafia? it feels a lot more like coinflipping at that point

 

I don't mean to heckle you

I know it's not your fault these people aren't talking

but could you maybe shop around for at least a couple replacements if some of the more inactive people don't start posting?

 

I just want everyone to have a fair chance of winning here based on their play and not coinflip lynching/non lynching

[Sakaea]

So once again, inactives are making this difficult. I am going to get my LOTR mafia started, and will check back after that.

[Red2111]

Nol, i'm only going to repeat myself on this issue once

 

the rules say i'll deal with the flamming inactives (as i've done so in the many other games i've modded on DM), but inactives should never stall active players form playing; so don't wait on me to address the inactives instead of continuing to play the game . ya'll want to lynch the inactives or vote for them to grab their attention, by all means do so. if a replacement is made i'll inform you guys on thread once the replacement is made, otherwise all poking and replacing players will be done via PM.

 

if anyone doesn't agree with how i'm handling this issue, then i highly suggest they take it up with me in PM. theres also a thread in this forum which talks about inactives, so if you want to have a discussion abotu inactives move it there.

 

 

Deadline

 

12 alive, 7 to lynch

 

22:39:11

 

Vote Count

 

Chrissy (3): Ishy, Tina, Verbal

Nyn (2): Sakaea, Leelou

Verbal (1): Hoof

 

No Vote (07): Nyn, Amega, Nol, Ley, JLM, Chrissy

[Leyrann]

I check in now, so that you know that I'm not inactive, but I don't have time to do more than that now...

 

(not that I know what to do more)

[Sakaea]

Checking in so as not to seem inactive, but not posting anything game relevant? FOS you. Posting just to post is almost as bad as not posting at all.

[Verbal32]

Nolder, while I agree with a lot of what you just said regarding inactives, we need to work within the system Red has set for us. It's still early enough that pressuring an inactive is not game-breaking. We can't let an inactive slide to endgame on the off chance that they are scum, but we can pressure now.

 

If you'd rather continue pressuring me, that's cool. I'll respond. But to be honest, I'd rather pressure somebody like Christine and see if we can get her posting. If not, then let's cross that bridge if/when we come to it.

[JenLenaMom]

I'm actually usually in favor of lynching inactives. If nothing else it makes it easier to know what's going on in the game. Especially on a day 2 like this where we didn't get a lot of info from day one's lynch and the only real casing done is weak to meh at best. So to keep the game and discussion moving forward I'm going to vote Nyn (hope that works) to add pressure on the inactives but not speed lynch. I'm more than willing to consolidate if the rest of the town decides to.

[Niniel]

Red is right - either we play the game and ignore the inactives, or we deal with them via lynching. Christine was inactive in another recent game, and I won't lie - it does hurt the game. I'm ok with voting there for multiple reasons:

 

1. it appears you guys are going in that direction anyway

2. a small measure of self-preservation ;-)

 

Vote: Christine

 

Very strange reasons. Just following the crowed and self-preservation? I think you have one vote on you. FOS Verbal

 

I think it´s clear that neither Christine or Nyn are going to show up right now. If they do lets pressure them at that time. We risk lynching a doc or a cop. Lets look at the players that are here but don´t contribute much. Leelou has not posted much except for vote counts. FOS @ Leelou. Amega has not given us much either. That is why I´m going to unvote and vote Amega. I know this is meta-gaming and not totally relevant in this game but Amega use to post very little when he is scum. I´m not in any way saying that I´m sure that Amega is scum but we have not much to go on and I think we could pressure him to talk more.

[Niniel]

I'm actually usually in favor of lynching inactives. If nothing else it makes it easier to know what's going on in the game. Especially on a day 2 like this where we didn't get a lot of info from day one's lynch and the only real casing done is weak to meh at best. So to keep the game and discussion moving forward I'm going to vote Nyn (hope that works) to add pressure on the inactives but not speed lynch. I'm more than willing to consolidate if the rest of the town decides to.

 

 

The rest of the town? Will you just follow the crowed on any player?

[JenLenaMom]

If it's a choice of one inactive or the other, sure, might as well flip a coin between the two as we don't have any real case on either one. And a finder or doc that is inactive might as well be dead for all the good it does the town.