[Advanced] Disney Princess Masquerade Ball Mafia

[Niniel]

Vote count

 

Soy Boyo (1) - Christine

 

Adella (1) - Amadine

 

Jack (1) - Sakaea

 

Nolder (2) - Leelou, Amega

 

Amega (4) - Key, Nolder, Ishy, Jack

 

Player (1) - Soy Boyo

 

 

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

No deadline jet for Day 1.

[Adella]

Am I not allowed to have my Day 1 joke vote on someone that I know but have never played Mafia with before?

no

it's things like that that make Day 1 terrible

Vote Nolder for criticizing a very real playstyle. Joke votes can tell us a lot about people, because the tiny reasons people throw in can eventually be something we come back to at a later time.

[Sedai]

I like the idea of competing trains, between Nder and Ameg, lets make this happen

[amegakure]

Verbal could u recall which game u speak of cause I can't remember that. I do remember being almost Lynched for trying to get a game started..

[Alanna]

Checking in here. I don't really find Nolder scummy right now, though I don't agree all joke votes in general are bad. Almost all games start out that way; check out the awesome GoT game, it started that way. It's bad when all of Day 1 is joke votes. But simply starting that way, well, how else would you start.

[Adella]

Checking in here. I don't really find Nolder scummy right now, though I don't agree all joke votes in general are bad. Almost all games start out that way; check out the awesome GoT game, it started that way. It's bad when all of Day 1 is joke votes. But simply starting that way, well, how else would you start.

Screw that game

[SBoydW]

Unvote. Vote Nolder.

 

I kinda seems like you want us to do nothing. You criticize people for making random "joke" votes, but then jump on the band wagon of some one who wanted to wait and see what developed. Make up your mind dude. Do we wait and gather info, or throw out random "joke" votes?"

[SBoydW]

previous post should red "It kinda" not "I"

[SBoydW]

 

Which sounds scummy then bounces his vote on me cause he can smell bandwagon!.

so what you're saying is I smelled a bandwagon in the future?

because I was the second vote on you

I did not start the wagon nor did I encourage anyone else to join it

that isn't to say I don't want to see you lynched

I'd be fine with that

but let's make sure we get the order of events right here

 

 

One other thing. While you may not have encouraged anyone else to join on the Amega band wagon, you kinda did start it. Cause technically there isn't a bandwagon until there are two people... and you were the second making it, albeit a small one at the time, a bandwagon.

[Nolder]

Am I not allowed to have my Day 1 joke vote on someone that I know but have never played Mafia with before?

no

it's things like that that make Day 1 terrible

Vote Nolder for criticizing a very real playstyle. Joke votes can tell us a lot about people, because the tiny reasons people throw in can eventually be something we come back to at a later time.

so wait let's be clear about this

you're voting me for giving my opinion about a playstyle correct?

I've made the argument that joke votes are fine in moderation, do you disagree with that? if not then why are you voting me? even if you do how is it scummy?

I think you have an ulterior motive since you reason isn't very... reasonable

 

I like the idea of competing trains, between Nder and Ameg, lets make this happen

I'd believe you more if you'd voted me and not bandwagon'd on ameg

 

Checking in here. I don't really find Nolder scummy right now, though I don't agree all joke votes in general are bad. Almost all games start out that way; check out the awesome GoT game, it started that way. It's bad when all of Day 1 is joke votes. But simply starting that way, well, how else would you start.

I never said all joke votes are bad though

 

Unvote. Vote Nolder.

 

I kinda seems like you want us to do nothing. You criticize people for making random "joke" votes, but then jump on the band wagon of some one who wanted to wait and see what developed. Make up your mind dude. Do we wait and gather info, or throw out random "joke" votes?"

I voted someone who seemed to be active lurking

they refuse to make a vote that can be analyzed, they give no input on the game, yet they claim they'll be following along

that is scummy

 

additionally I never really told you to do anything

I stated I want to lynch amega but I'm not telling you how to vote, you've figured that out on your own obviously

why are you trying to put some kind of leader position on me anyway? I'm not clear and should hold no responsibility for how you behave

it's odd you'd build me up like that and then vote me

 

 

 

Which sounds scummy then bounces his vote on me cause he can smell bandwagon!.

so what you're saying is I smelled a bandwagon in the future?

because I was the second vote on you

I did not start the wagon nor did I encourage anyone else to join it

that isn't to say I don't want to see you lynched

I'd be fine with that

but let's make sure we get the order of events right here

 

 

One other thing. While you may not have encouraged anyone else to join on the Amega band wagon, you kinda did start it. Cause technically there isn't a bandwagon until there are two people... and you were the second making it, albeit a small one at the time, a bandwagon.

in my experience the person who puts the first vote on someone is credited with starting a bandwagon

it can be argued another person encouraged it but I really did not do that

as I matter of fact I believe I questioned the next person to jump on the bandwagon (or was it the person after?)

either way I've done nothing to encourage others to vote for ameg beyond defend my own position and vote

can I help it if others found me persuasive?

anyway it hardly matters who we lynch

99% of the time the day 1 lynch is a townie since the odds are in our favor (to die I mean, we have more people)

ameg is likely just being stupid/lazy town but I'm not going to take the chance that she might be scum trying to slip under the radar

[Adella]

Someone is getting a little touchy under some pressure...

 

 

Btw, the name of this game thread is making Disney Princess ads pop up for me all over DM now

[amegakure]

Im a guy...pay attention.....

 

So I personally think day one is horribble. Joke voting dosent really get info. No matter how you put it. Ex: I vote adelle for being awesome....weres the info..there isn't. Abstaining from an exersice I find irrelavent to the game besides introducing ur self isn't lurking. Im not sure were ur getting the whole "hide til deadline" part. I didn't say that so u just kinda assumed that?

[SBoydW]

Unvote. Vote Nolder.

 

I kinda seems like you want us to do nothing. You criticize people for making random "joke" votes, but then jump on the band wagon of some one who wanted to wait and see what developed. Make up your mind dude. Do we wait and gather info, or throw out random "joke" votes?"

I voted someone who seemed to be active lurking

they refuse to make a vote that can be analyzed, they give no input on the game, yet they claim they'll be following along

that is scummy

 

additionally I never really told you to do anything

I stated I want to lynch amega but I'm not telling you how to vote, you've figured that out on your own obviously

why are you trying to put some kind of leader position on me anyway? I'm not clear and should hold no responsibility for how you behave

it's odd you'd build me up like that and then vote me

 

 

 

Which sounds scummy then bounces his vote on me cause he can smell bandwagon!.

so what you're saying is I smelled a bandwagon in the future?

because I was the second vote on you

I did not start the wagon nor did I encourage anyone else to join it

that isn't to say I don't want to see you lynched

I'd be fine with that

but let's make sure we get the order of events right here

 

 

One other thing. While you may not have encouraged anyone else to join on the Amega band wagon, you kinda did start it. Cause technically there isn't a bandwagon until there are two people... and you were the second making it, albeit a small one at the time, a bandwagon.

in my experience the person who puts the first vote on someone is credited with starting a bandwagon

it can be argued another person encouraged it but I really did not do that

as I matter of fact I believe I questioned the next person to jump on the bandwagon (or was it the person after?)

either way I've done nothing to encourage others to vote for ameg beyond defend my own position and vote

can I help it if others found me persuasive?

anyway it hardly matters who we lynch

99% of the time the day 1 lynch is a townie since the odds are in our favor (to die I mean, we have more people)

ameg is likely just being stupid/lazy town but I'm not going to take the chance that she might be scum trying to slip under the radar

 

Okay, to clarify, I was never trying to put you into a leadership position. The question at the end was rhetorical. I was using it to point out your conflicting stand points. You voted for someone who wasn't going to joke vote yet, though you claim to support it under certain conditions, seem to be against joke voting in most cases. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either you support people gathering/assessing information before they vote (lurking essentially) or you support the other method of joke voting to gather information, via judging responses from the person that got voted for.

 

So again I state this, not to put you into some leadership position, but to get you to clarify your stance, "Make up your mind dude. Do we wait and gather info, or throw out random "joke" votes?"

 

On the band wagon issue, agree to disagree.

[Nolder]

Someone is getting a little touchy under some pressure...

why does everyone always think I'm getting "touchy" when I'm "under pressure"?

I'm just going with the flow of conversation and responding to things directed at me or are about me

 

Im a guy...pay attention.....

 

So I personally think day one is horribble. Joke voting dosent really get info. No matter how you put it. Ex: I vote adelle for being awesome....weres the info..there isn't. Abstaining from an exersice I find irrelavent to the game besides introducing ur self isn't lurking. Im not sure were ur getting the whole "hide til deadline" part. I didn't say that so u just kinda assumed that?

sorry

I get you mixed up with amadine sometimes

 

I'm not even going to argue with you about the merits of random voting and day 1 stuff

I've made my views on it pretty clear I think

what I will note is that you made it pretty clear you don't plan on voting or really even participating until day 2

here not voting yet. will wait for all the dayone sillyness to end.

how else is this supposed to read?

day ONE silliness cannot be expected to end until day 2 has started, no?

[Nolder]

You voted for someone who wasn't going to joke vote yet,

that was not the reason I voted for ameg

 

though you claim to support it under certain conditions,

I said it's fine in moderation

those "certain conditions" shouldn't really go past page 2 or 3 unless it's a very large game and even then by page 5 in any game things should be serious IMO

 

seem to be against joke voting in most cases.

depends what the case is I suppose

 

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

you've obviously never had a good birthday

 

Either you support people gathering/assessing information before they vote (lurking essentially) or you support the other method of joke voting to gather information, via judging responses from the person that got voted for.

I like how you're trying to trap me into one of two choices here

my answer is that both are fine depending on what stage of the game we're in

if the game has just started lurking ("assessing information" I mean ) is not ok

honestly lurking to a degree where it's noticeable is never really ok but sometimes it's a worse crime than at other times

 

joke voting is fine when used sparingly

if every player picks one person without a vote on them already to vote and calls it random and forms no bandwagon what are we supposed to do?

here on DM it seems like everyone just wants to wait until a deadline rolls around and either let it go random or rush bandwagon onto someone

that's poor play

 

So again I state this, not to put you into some leadership position, but to get you to clarify your stance, "Make up your mind dude. Do we wait and gather info, or throw out random "joke" votes?"

if you wanted me to clarify my stance why not just say so in the first place rather than implying that my answer will have some sort of bearing on what we do as a group?

 

regardless I think I've made myself pretty clear

lurking is bad

you can participate in discussion without voting but you should always be present

 

you can make a joke/random vote in the beginning but it shouldn't stay that way very long

and we have two competing bandwagons right now so really no ones vote should be considered random any longer

people need to put their vote on me or ameg OR make a case against someone else

[SBoydW]

You voted for someone who wasn't going to joke vote yet,

that was not the reason I voted for ameg

 

though you claim to support it under certain conditions,

I said it's fine in moderation

those "certain conditions" shouldn't really go past page 2 or 3 unless it's a very large game and even then by page 5 in any game things should be serious IMO

 

seem to be against joke voting in most cases.

depends what the case is I suppose

 

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

you've obviously never had a good birthday

 

Either you support people gathering/assessing information before they vote (lurking essentially) or you support the other method of joke voting to gather information, via judging responses from the person that got voted for.

I like how you're trying to trap me into one of two choices here

my answer is that both are fine depending on what stage of the game we're in

if the game has just started lurking ("assessing information" I mean ) is not ok

honestly lurking to a degree where it's noticeable is never really ok but sometimes it's a worse crime than at other times

 

joke voting is fine when used sparingly

if every player picks one person without a vote on them already to vote and calls it random and forms no bandwagon what are we supposed to do?

here on DM it seems like everyone just wants to wait until a deadline rolls around and either let it go random or rush bandwagon onto someone

that's poor play

 

So again I state this, not to put you into some leadership position, but to get you to clarify your stance, "Make up your mind dude. Do we wait and gather info, or throw out random "joke" votes?"

if you wanted me to clarify my stance why not just say so in the first place rather than implying that my answer will have some sort of bearing on what we do as a group?

 

regardless I think I've made myself pretty clear

lurking is bad

you can participate in discussion without voting but you should always be present

 

you can make a joke/random vote in the beginning but it shouldn't stay that way very long

and we have two competing bandwagons right now so really no ones vote should be considered random any longer

people need to put their vote on me or ameg OR make a case against someone else

 

You voted for Amega because you interpreted his abstaining from immediate vote as lurking. So in essence yes you did vote for him because he didn't vote right away. Yet you said that "joke" voting on day one shouldn't be allowed (page 1 response #19). You're contradicting yourself.

 

And I'm not trying to "trap" you into any answer. The two situations we're talking about here are diametrically opposed to one another. You've stated that you are against day one joke/random voting, yet when some one says they are going to NOT do that you vote for them saying that means they're lurking, and not helping. Amega never said he wasn't going to bring input, he simply said he wasn't going to vote right away. I'm not sure if you're intentionally or unintentionally misinterpreting, but it seems to be happening a lot, and that seems mega scummy.

 

And I did ask you to clarify several posts ago... again you misinterpreted it as me wanting to make you our "leader." Again I was never asking it to you as a leader merely as some on who is confused trying to understand your actions, which contradict what you say.

[Nolder]

You voted for Amega because you interpreted his abstaining from immediate vote as lurking. So in essence yes you did vote for him because he didn't vote right away.

in essence? why don't we talk about facts instead?

in FACT I stated, multiple times now, that I voted for Amega because he refused to vote and participate on Day 1

his very own words

here not voting yet. will wait for all the dayone sillyness to end.

he never even implied he might wait to see "what develops" or that he wants to make a more "educated" vote

he states that he is waiting for "day one silliness to end", meaning he wont be playing with us until Day 2

 

Yet you said that "joke" voting on day one shouldn't be allowed (page 1 response #19). You're contradicting yourself.

the response in question:

Am I not allowed to have my Day 1 joke vote on someone that I know but have never played Mafia with before?

no

it's things like that that make Day 1 terrible

first of all you're twisting my words

I did not say joke voting on day one shouldn't be allowed

I said "no" as a joke of my own which is my fault for including it in a serious post

I also didn't explain myself at all which is probably how we got here in the first place

"it's things like that that make Day 1 terrible" doesn't refer to joke votes so much as it refers to the attitude that everyone MUST joke vote and that that is how Day 1 is played

essentially treating Day 1 as "random" is wrong

 

And I'm not trying to "trap" you into any answer. The two situations we're talking about here are diametrically opposed to one another.

yes but that's not to say they're wrong outright

it just depends on the stage of the game and the situation

 

You've stated that you are against day one joke/random voting,

no I didn't

 

I said it's fine when used sparingly but honestly I think you know that and I think you're content to craft my words into saying things I never said

 

yet when some one says they are going to NOT do that you vote for them saying that means they're lurking, and not helping. Amega never said he wasn't going to bring input, he simply said he wasn't going to vote right away. I'm not sure if you're intentionally or unintentionally misinterpreting, but it seems to be happening a lot, and that seems mega scummy.

here not voting yet. will wait for all the dayone sillyness to end.

tell me, do you read this as Amega saying he will "vote later" or "give input later"?

 

Ok key voting joke votes is not helpful to the game there's a difference from not voting for no reason and lurking. Which im not, mearly waiting to see real discussion. And what I've seen is nol jump on christine for absolutly nothing. Which sounds scummy then bounces his vote on me cause he can smell bandwagon!. So if you want a vote here you go nolder for the above reasons.

 

If any of you know I hate inactivity so trying to say id lay low just cause day one voting has gotten boring for me is pretty far reachin...just saying

he states here that he's waiting for "real discussion" (which to me again implies he's waiting for Day 2) but "real discussion" is taking place right now and where is he? he's made only four posts so far one of which was to OMGUS vote me

it's weird that you're defending Ameg so hard...

do you not find his actions scummy at all?

I realize you find me more scummy but my question is what your opinion on Ameg is

 

...trying to understand your actions, which contradict what you say.

you keep insisting that there is a contradiction but there's not

each time you bring this up you literally change my words and I have to reexplain for the 5th+ time

[amegakure]

I'm not even going to argue with you about the merits of random voting and day 1 stuff

I've made my views on it pretty clear I think

what I will note is that you made it pretty clear you don't plan on voting or really even participating until day 2

here not voting yet. will wait for all the dayone sillyness to end.

how else is this supposed to read?

day ONE silliness cannot be expected to end until day 2 has started, no?

 

Wrong. Day one is extended longer in an effort to allow time for everyone to get done with all their joke votings and introductions.... I mearly stated that i did not feel the need to vote for someone for no reason and would wait until a topic had sprung up. Like it has now. Topics do happen on dayone if people dont fear trying to get it started. IT seems like its taboo anymore to want to get a game started.

 

So once again your looking at my words and interpreting them to suit your case. I did not say wait till day one is over. i said Day one Silliness. And thats how you should have interpreted it. As this will be my normal start to a game. Except on special circumstances.

[amegakure]

I feel the need to explain this futher now. YOU need to stop assuming things. AS stated above i was waiting til the silliness was done. You keep pulling meanings out of a small sentence. Day 1 is still going to last abit longer so were do you come up with me waiting till day two???

 

 

rant\ second... some of use have to work and go to school and on top of that household chores and sport activities! so sorry if i could dedicate myself to being on here every second./end rant

[keyholder21]

Oy.

 

I'm keeping my vote where it is for now.

 

I do want to keep an eye on Jack though. Even if his joke vote is always #11, Amega had a train going and he didn't even comment on it.

[SBoydW]

You voted for Amega because you interpreted his abstaining from immediate vote as lurking. So in essence yes you did vote for him because he didn't vote right away.

in essence? why don't we talk about facts instead?

in FACT I stated, multiple times now, that I voted for Amega because he refused to vote and participate on Day 1

his very own words

here not voting yet. will wait for all the dayone sillyness to end.

he never even implied he might wait to see "what develops" or that he wants to make a more "educated" vote

he states that he is waiting for "day one silliness to end", meaning he wont be playing with us until Day 2

 

Yet you said that "joke" voting on day one shouldn't be allowed (page 1 response #19). You're contradicting yourself.

the response in question:

Am I not allowed to have my Day 1 joke vote on someone that I know but have never played Mafia with before?

no

it's things like that that make Day 1 terrible

first of all you're twisting my words

I did not say joke voting on day one shouldn't be allowed

I said "no" as a joke of my own which is my fault for including it in a serious post

I also didn't explain myself at all which is probably how we got here in the first place

"it's things like that that make Day 1 terrible" doesn't refer to joke votes so much as it refers to the attitude that everyone MUST joke vote and that that is how Day 1 is played

essentially treating Day 1 as "random" is wrong

 

 

Let's do talk about fact. Amega said "here not voting yet. will wait for all the dayone sillyness to end." He said YET, meaning later. And day one silliness can end before day one is over. Which apparently we are proving since a serious debate has occurred.

 

And concerning your explanation of your answer to Christine's question... I'm not buying it. You've argued to hard against random/joke voting for me to think that you were simply joking when you said "no". Christine said "Am I not allowed to have my Day 1 joke vote on someone that I know but have never played Mafia with before?" You replied "no it's things like that that make Day 1 terrible" I'm pretty sure everyone else interpreted that just as I did. That you are against it. You later changed that answer and said that you were only against it in certain situations, again contradicting yourself.

 

 

 

And I'm not trying to "trap" you into any answer. The two situations we're talking about here are diametrically opposed to one another.

yes but that's not to say they're wrong outright

it just depends on the stage of the game and the situation

 

You've stated that you are against day one joke/random voting,

no I didn't

 

I said it's fine when used sparingly but honestly I think you know that and I think you're content to craft my words into saying things I never said

 

yet when some one says they are going to NOT do that you vote for them saying that means they're lurking, and not helping. Amega never said he wasn't going to bring input, he simply said he wasn't going to vote right away. I'm not sure if you're intentionally or unintentionally misinterpreting, but it seems to be happening a lot, and that seems mega scummy.

here not voting yet. will wait for all the dayone sillyness to end.

tell me, do you read this as Amega saying he will "vote later" or "give input later"?

 

Ok key voting joke votes is not helpful to the game there's a difference from not voting for no reason and lurking. Which im not, mearly waiting to see real discussion. And what I've seen is nol jump on christine for absolutly nothing. Which sounds scummy then bounces his vote on me cause he can smell bandwagon!. So if you want a vote here you go nolder for the above reasons.

 

If any of you know I hate inactivity so trying to say id lay low just cause day one voting has gotten boring for me is pretty far reachin...just saying

he states here that he's waiting for "real discussion" (which to me again implies he's waiting for Day 2) but "real discussion" is taking place right now and where is he? he's made only four posts so far one of which was to OMGUS vote me

it's weird that you're defending Ameg so hard...

do you not find his actions scummy at all?

I realize you find me more scummy but my question is what your opinion on Ameg is

 

...trying to understand your actions, which contradict what you say.

you keep insisting that there is a contradiction but there's not

each time you bring this up you literally change my words and I have to reexplain for the 5th+ time

 

I'm not sure I understand your first response here...

 

As for your next response. You original answer was that yes you were in fact against it. You've since flip flopped on your answer and now that it is okay in certain situations. Fishy.

 

Please provide examples where I have "literally" changed your words. Pretty sure I've either quoted or paraphrased you. And before you say paraphrasing is changing your words yes, it does change the physical words, but it doesn't change the meaning of the statement.

[keyholder21]

Fishy.

 

lol.

[Nolder]

I'm not even going to argue with you about the merits of random voting and day 1 stuff

I've made my views on it pretty clear I think

what I will note is that you made it pretty clear you don't plan on voting or really even participating until day 2

here not voting yet. will wait for all the dayone sillyness to end.

how else is this supposed to read?

day ONE silliness cannot be expected to end until day 2 has started, no?

 

Wrong. Day one is extended longer in an effort to allow time for everyone to get done with all their joke votings and introductions.... I mearly stated that i did not feel the need to vote for someone for no reason and would wait until a topic had sprung up. Like it has now. Topics do happen on dayone if people dont fear trying to get it started. IT seems like its taboo anymore to want to get a game started.

 

So once again your looking at my words and interpreting them to suit your case. I did not say wait till day one is over. i said Day one Silliness. And thats how you should have interpreted it. As this will be my normal start to a game. Except on special circumstances.

that still doesn't make sense to me

Day One Silliness is the term you used

if you meant something that happens during a portion of day one but not it's entirety why didn't you make that clear?

 

I feel the need to explain this futher now. YOU need to stop assuming things. AS stated above i was waiting til the silliness was done. You keep pulling meanings out of a small sentence. Day 1 is still going to last abit longer so were do you come up with me waiting till day two???

 

 

rant\ second... some of use have to work and go to school and on top of that household chores and sport activities! so sorry if i could dedicate myself to being on here every second./end rant

perhaps I made one assumption (that Day One Silliness would persist for the entirety of Day One) but I believe it was a logical assumption to make based on the information you provided

what other assumption I have made, false or not?

 

as for other activities taking up your time

it could be argued that if you're so busy perhaps you shouldn't have joined if you don't have the time to give the game the attention it deserves

however I understand that I for one have a lot of free time AND am very impatient, especially when it comes to Mafia

given that your post count is somewhere in the middle I'll let up on your activity (it is still early in the game after all) but should you go back to lurking at some point (assuming you aren't lynched or killed) I'll bring it up again

 

also for now I think I'll keep my vote where it is

however I could probably be convinced to vote for Ishy for blatant bandwagoning and adding no further input since

[Nolder]

Let's do talk about fact. Amega said "here not voting yet. will wait for all the dayone sillyness to end." He said YET, meaning later. And day one silliness can end before day one is over. Which apparently we are proving since a serious debate has occurred.

later as in Day 2 obviously

but apparently this was a false assumption which is mighty convenient if you ask me but I'll give it to you

and in the context given "Day One Silliness" can end sure, but with the attitude that you will wait for it to end is scummy

 

And concerning your explanation of your answer to Christine's question... I'm not buying it. You've argued to hard against random/joke voting for me to think that you were simply joking when you said "no". Christine said "Am I not allowed to have my Day 1 joke vote on someone that I know but have never played Mafia with before?" You replied "no it's things like that that make Day 1 terrible" I'm pretty sure everyone else interpreted that just as I did. That you are against it. You later changed that answer and said that you were only against it in certain situations, again contradicting yourself.

that's fine

I think you'd have to know me personally to really understand that it was a joke

btw "no" and "it's things like that that make Day 1 terrible" are meant to be taken separately, not as one sentence (hence the joke)

I don't understand how it's a contradiction when "things like that" is ambiguous

I clarified what I meant as requested

I don't see a contradiction in this

 

I'm not sure I understand your first response here...

 

As for your next response. You original answer was that yes you were in fact against it. You've since flip flopped on your answer and now that it is okay in certain situations. Fishy.

 

Please provide examples where I have "literally" changed your words. Pretty sure I've either quoted or paraphrased you. And before you say paraphrasing is changing your words yes, it does change the physical words, but it doesn't change the meaning of the statement.

so it's a flip flop to clarify when someone takes your words to mean something entirely different than how you meant them?

ok if you say so

I never changed my position on this

you and others are the ones that took my statements and made it seem like I was ALWAYS 100% against joke/random votes

I had to clarify and tell you that that is not the case

and that's flip flopping? whatever man

 

paraphrasing is changing words, you admit that

and when you change words you can change the meaning of what is said which is what you've done multiple times

if you'd use quotes like me...well obviously there's a reason you're avoiding that

it's so you can "paraphrase"

 

I think I'll be keeping my eye on you going into Day 2

[SBoydW]

Well.. I think I've beat my reasoning in the the ground. My vote will stand, and I will be watching you as well.