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  On 7/7/2011 at 8:38 PM, TinaHel said:

So, let´s see. I have now six votes for me - half of what it takes to lynch someone right now - because I by accident wrote Min´s name instead of Lily´s and then corrected me. Hm...

 

Maybe it wasn´t too bad after all because it is very interesting to see how people respond to my mistake. I think that eighter Sakaea didn´t read my first post correct or she is trying to come up with a reason for voting me after her clear bandwagon vote. If you read my first post I say I will vote one of the two players that had two votes already. Song did see my mistake and pointed it out and that is why I changed it where it should have been. Not vote hopping. I´m extra suspicious of Sakaea because she put the 6th vote on me wich could be the one that makes everyone think "We don´t have any other choices but Tina today". Unvote. Vote Sakaea.

I agree with this post

 

Vote: Sakaea

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Posted
  On 7/7/2011 at 8:42 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

This is just my personal opinion, of course, but if we're going to speculate on the setup...

 

I think the cult leader power is bogus. I think it's one of those that will just cost you some points and give you nothing back. DPR is evil that way. I also don't think the game would be very balanced with more than one scum team. Anything is possible, but I doubt it.

but why split the town up into little teams if not to have more than one team be scummy?

I dunno

I think someone has...what's the term uhhh ulterior motives? is that it?

like they have some other win condition (collect the intel on other countries? I just made that up) other than just eliminating the vampires

also you'd think there would be a third party in here somewhere

 

maybe this all has to do with the moral choice someone might get?

Posted
  On 7/7/2011 at 8:34 PM, Nolder said:
  On 7/7/2011 at 8:27 PM, John McClane said:

I never said scum was grasping at straws, Blackhoof did... I questioned it.

I know but I thought you were echoing him

I see now that's incorrect

sorry

I just woke up and I have a small hangover, give me a break

 

  On 7/7/2011 at 8:27 PM, John McClane said:

Blackhoof and Nolder are now my top 2 for scum.

do you just fos anyone who questions you?

dunno what I've done that could be construed as scummy

 

Heh. I FOS people that take my words, partially quote them and misconstrue their meaning... like you did, and admitted to in this very post. That is scummy.

 

You are undermining me while I am making sound points about the basis and potential intentions of Blackhoof's case. That is also scummy, from my point of view.

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  On 7/7/2011 at 8:47 PM, Nolder said:
  On 7/7/2011 at 8:42 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

This is just my personal opinion, of course, but if we're going to speculate on the setup...

 

I think the cult leader power is bogus. I think it's one of those that will just cost you some points and give you nothing back. DPR is evil that way. I also don't think the game would be very balanced with more than one scum team. Anything is possible, but I doubt it.

but why split the town up into little teams if not to have more than one team be scummy?

I dunno

I think someone has...what's the term uhhh ulterior motives? is that it?

like they have some other win condition (collect the intel on other countries? I just made that up) other than just eliminating the vampires

also you'd think there would be a third party in here somewhere

 

maybe this all has to do with the moral choice someone might get?

 

I will say this - you have the right level of paranoia for a DPR game. heh

Posted
  On 7/7/2011 at 8:51 PM, LilyElizabeth said:
  On 7/7/2011 at 8:47 PM, Nolder said:
  On 7/7/2011 at 8:42 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

This is just my personal opinion, of course, but if we're going to speculate on the setup...

 

I think the cult leader power is bogus. I think it's one of those that will just cost you some points and give you nothing back. DPR is evil that way. I also don't think the game would be very balanced with more than one scum team. Anything is possible, but I doubt it.

but why split the town up into little teams if not to have more than one team be scummy?

I dunno

I think someone has...what's the term uhhh ulterior motives? is that it?

like they have some other win condition (collect the intel on other countries? I just made that up) other than just eliminating the vampires

also you'd think there would be a third party in here somewhere

 

maybe this all has to do with the moral choice someone might get?

 

I will say this - you have the right level of paranoia for a DPR game. heh

 

 

So sitting in the corner trying not to sleep, right? :wink:

Posted
  On 7/7/2011 at 8:51 PM, LilyElizabeth said:
  On 7/7/2011 at 8:47 PM, Nolder said:
  On 7/7/2011 at 8:42 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

This is just my personal opinion, of course, but if we're going to speculate on the setup...

 

I think the cult leader power is bogus. I think it's one of those that will just cost you some points and give you nothing back. DPR is evil that way. I also don't think the game would be very balanced with more than one scum team. Anything is possible, but I doubt it.

but why split the town up into little teams if not to have more than one team be scummy?

I dunno

I think someone has...what's the term uhhh ulterior motives? is that it?

like they have some other win condition (collect the intel on other countries? I just made that up) other than just eliminating the vampires

also you'd think there would be a third party in here somewhere

 

maybe this all has to do with the moral choice someone might get?

 

I will say this - you have the right level of paranoia for a DPR game. heh

why does everyone always think I'm paranoid?

it's not paranoia if there really is someone out to get you ;__;

 

  On 7/7/2011 at 8:49 PM, John McClane said:
  On 7/7/2011 at 8:34 PM, Nolder said:
  On 7/7/2011 at 8:27 PM, John McClane said:

I never said scum was grasping at straws, Blackhoof did... I questioned it.

I know but I thought you were echoing him

I see now that's incorrect

sorry

I just woke up and I have a small hangover, give me a break

 

  On 7/7/2011 at 8:27 PM, John McClane said:

Blackhoof and Nolder are now my top 2 for scum.

do you just fos anyone who questions you?

dunno what I've done that could be construed as scummy

 

Heh. I FOS people that take my words, partially quote them and misconstrue their meaning... like you did, and admitted to in this very post. That is scummy.

 

You are undermining me while I am making sound points about the basis and potential intentions of Blackhoof's case. That is also scummy, from my point of view.

I quote what I feel is relevant to keep posts readable and avoid large quote towers

if you feel I'm missing some key point of yours just inform me of what it is and we can discuss it and I'll tell you why I felt it wasn't relevant

 

and I may have misconstrued your meaning but you're twisting it to sound like it was on purpose and then admitted doing it

that's not true at all

I have a headache and like I said I just woke up not too long ago so I'm not really thinking as clearly as I'd like

I made a mistake and owned up to it

if you feel that's scummy then whatever I guess

 

as for undermining your case against blackhoof

that was not my intent

or rather it wasn't entirely my intent

I see you as attacking him "while he's down"

to me that looks like scum going for an easy kill

so I questioned you about blackhoof

your only reason for voting him was supposed fearmongering and the fact that he said "grasping at straws"

those are hardly damning IMO

Posted
  On 7/7/2011 at 8:42 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

This is just my personal opinion, of course, but if we're going to speculate on the setup...

 

I think the cult leader power is bogus. I think it's one of those that will just cost you some points and give you nothing back. DPR is evil that way. I also don't think the game would be very balanced with more than one scum team. Anything is possible, but I doubt it.

 

Scummy, scummy, scummy post there Lily. Seems like you may have purchased the cult leader ability or have intentions of it and you don't wan anyone jumping at the chance to be a rival CL.

Posted

Well since nothing new has really developed except for nolder vs john..! Haha I will go back to my earlier statement and vote sakaea for reasons I stated earlier

Posted

Maybe we should run her up to L-3 and check her. Hey that'd be a good idea to check everyone. Pick random people each day and run them up to keep them honest.

Posted
  On 7/7/2011 at 9:08 PM, Nolder said:

I quote what I feel is relevant to keep posts readable and avoid large quote towers

if you feel I'm missing some key point of yours just inform me of what it is and we can discuss it and I'll tell you why I felt it wasn't relevant

 

and I may have misconstrued your meaning but you're twisting it to sound like it was on purpose and then admitted doing it

that's not true at all

I have a headache and like I said I just woke up not too long ago so I'm not really thinking as clearly as I'd like

I made a mistake and owned up to it

if you feel that's scummy then whatever I guess

 

as for undermining your case against blackhoof

that was not my intent

or rather it wasn't entirely my intent

I see you as attacking him "while he's down"

to me that looks like scum going for an easy kill

so I questioned you about blackhoof

your only reason for voting him was supposed fearmongering and the fact that he said "grasping at straws"

those are hardly damning IMO

 

Nolder - you are playing chicken and egg with me, which further justifies my FOS for you...

 

Chronologically:

 


  1.  
  2. Blackhoof votes and cites an irrational case based on scum making a desperation play on D1.
  3. I call him out on it, vote him. Say scum doesn't need to grasp at straws on D1.
  4. You cherry-pick me talking about grasping at straws, and make it sound like I was making the case that they would do that - when if fact it was the opposite.
  5. I correct you, and say I think you spun my words and its scummy.
  6. You admit to misinterpreting my meaning "by accident" but also asked why I thought you were scummy.
  7. I told you why I though you were scummy.
  8. Now you are saying I'm twisting your intentions, which I could have ONLY known after the fact. Follow the chronology of our discourse. You said you just read the thread, you say now that you only quote what is relevant, and you cherry-pick me and spin it to mean something scummy. Then when I clarify and explain to you why what you did is scummy... you turn around and tell me I'm the one spinning? Hahahaha... absurd.

 

 

As for the assertions you've made about my case on Blackhoof...

 

First off, how am I kicking him while he is down, when I was the first to vote him? This statement makes no sense.

 

My case on him is that he is capitalizing on Tina's gaff, and was trying to nudge her train based on the premise that she is scum making a desperation play, which is irrational on D1. To me HE was trying to push a lynch on an error, and get the easy kill. She was one of the lynch leaders at that point. Now you are saying I am going for the "easy kill" on Blackhoof when I was the first vote on him? How is voting someone first "going for an easy kill?" This statement makes no sense.

 

 

You arguments are devoid of logic and full of accusations that have no credence. I don't even need to discuss this further with you... I'm happy to clarify anything for anyone else though.

Posted
  On 7/7/2011 at 9:09 PM, Nolder said:

bleh

my headache is just getting worse

I'm gonna go relax for awhile

I'll be back later

 

 

Translation: I just got my ass handed to me, I need to run along to the Scum QT and figure out how to get Die Hard to leave me alone.

Posted
  On 7/7/2011 at 9:08 PM, Nolder said:

I quote what I feel is relevant to keep posts readable and avoid large quote towers

if you feel I'm missing some key point of yours just inform me of what it is and we can discuss it and I'll tell you why I felt it wasn't relevant

 

Anyone else find this response ironic? He quotes what he feels is relevant... and then changes its meaning to make it sound scummy. Heh.

 

I did feel he was missing a "key point" of mine... like the true meaning of the statement me quoted. Pfft... unreal.

Posted
  On 7/7/2011 at 9:34 PM, Jack_D said:

Maybe we should run her up to L-3 and check her. Hey that'd be a good idea to check everyone. Pick random people each day and run them up to keep them honest.

 

Knowing that the setup says clearly that people will be buying roles at the expense of votes, this might be the dumbest suggestion ever.

 

We run random people to L3 each day, without knowing who spent what vote points and what their true hammer vote will be?

 

Scummiest posts of D1 belong to:

 

Blackhoof

Nolder

Jack

Sakea

Posted
  On 7/7/2011 at 9:47 PM, amegakure said:

Okay u had some great points and imm with you oon the nolder thing but let's keep the game fun guys

 

Sorry if I'm being overly aggressive - its all in the spirit of the game and not personal. I'll lighten up. :)

Posted

Jon CL costs 3 votes which is the most someone can spend on a single role. If someone has spent more them three VP and they have been ran up PR it's there turn to be ran up then they need to speak up and say don't lynch me I spent 4 VP or something like that. Besides when it gets closer to endgame people or gunna be dropping like flys. So the CL is a trap role on this game. Because they will lose all their recruits because the mafia scum definition of a cult leader is a recruiter. And their recruits die with them. See the trap the closer to endgame? No I believe CL is an active role because it's a trap in itself if someone choses it.

 

Besides Jon I never said run everyone up everyday. Just like 3 random people a day. I think it's a valid strategy this early in the game.

Posted
  On 7/7/2011 at 9:33 PM, Jack_D said:
  On 7/7/2011 at 8:42 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

This is just my personal opinion, of course, but if we're going to speculate on the setup...

 

I think the cult leader power is bogus. I think it's one of those that will just cost you some points and give you nothing back. DPR is evil that way. I also don't think the game would be very balanced with more than one scum team. Anything is possible, but I doubt it.

 

Scummy, scummy, scummy post there Lily. Seems like you may have purchased the cult leader ability or have intentions of it and you don't wan anyone jumping at the chance to be a rival CL.

 

Here you insinuate Lily purchased the Cult Leader role, and call her scummy for insinuating it is a "trap role".

 

  On 7/7/2011 at 10:03 PM, Jack_D said:

Jon CL costs 3 votes which is the most someone can spend on a single role. If someone has spent more them three VP and they have been ran up PR it's there turn to be ran up then they need to speak up and say don't lynch me I spent 4 VP or something like that. Besides when it gets closer to endgame people or gunna be dropping like flys. So the CL is a trap role on this game. Because they will lose all their recruits because the mafia scum definition of a cult leader is a recruiter. And their recruits die with them. See the trap the closer to endgame? No I believe CL is an active role because it's a trap in itself if someone choses it.

 

Besides Jon I never said run everyone up everyday. Just like 3 random people a day. I think it's a valid strategy this early in the game.

 

Here you yourself call Cult Leader a "trap role".

 

Explain the 180° please.... I think it'll be funny.

Posted

Also, I never said you said "run up everybody" and if you look you will clearly see where I said "run people up randomly" just like you originally said.

 

People sure like to put words in your mouth over here... sloppy.

Posted

Lily's assumption it being a trap so far that you'd spend the points and not get the role.

 

I said it was a trap for other reasons. There is the difference. You know I'm on my phone so I'm sorry for missing a word when I post. Not being a smart guy just saying.

Posted
  On 7/7/2011 at 10:51 PM, Jack_D said:

Lily's assumption it being a trap so far that you'd spend the points and not get the role.

 

I said it was a trap for other reasons. There is the difference. You know I'm on my phone so I'm sorry for missing a word when I post. Not being a smart guy just saying.

 

I see what you mean now, you just have that back-asswards way of explaining it. ;) I think Lily was speculating... I think you are too. Speculation about setup is bad... hunt scum. What are your thoughts on Nolder, he made a scummy post, defended like crap and ran away... or Blackhoof? He's been laying low since I voted him and pointed out his contrived sounding case on Tina... thoughts?

Posted

I thought Lily's post was more then speculating IMO. I believe she is town waiting to pull the cult leader trigger.

 

Nolder, I just think he has a unique way of saying SK ergo tv once he gets a viewpoint he sticks to it and that can be dangerous. Ive honestly got no real read on him

 

Blackhoof I've got no oppinion. I'd lean town. Just from the games I've saw him in.

 

What do you think of Sakea'd opportunistic bandwagon vote?

Posted
  On 7/7/2011 at 8:44 PM, Nolder said:
  On 7/7/2011 at 8:38 PM, TinaHel said:

So, let´s see. I have now six votes for me - half of what it takes to lynch someone right now - because I by accident wrote Min´s name instead of Lily´s and then corrected me. Hm...

 

Maybe it wasn´t too bad after all because it is very interesting to see how people respond to my mistake. I think that eighter Sakaea didn´t read my first post correct or she is trying to come up with a reason for voting me after her clear bandwagon vote. If you read my first post I say I will vote one of the two players that had two votes already. Song did see my mistake and pointed it out and that is why I changed it where it should have been. Not vote hopping. I´m extra suspicious of Sakaea because she put the 6th vote on me wich could be the one that makes everyone think "We don´t have any other choices but Tina today". Unvote. Vote Sakaea.

I agree with this post

 

Vote: Sakaea

 

 

  On 7/7/2011 at 9:34 PM, Jack_D said:

Maybe we should run her up to L-3 and check her. Hey that'd be a good idea to check everyone. Pick random people each day and run them up to keep them honest.

 

 

Ok, so because I explained why I voted how I voted, I'm being accused of being scum. And if I hadn't explained why I voted how I voted, I would still be being accused of being scum. Catch-22, much?

 

So, go ahead and check me, if anyone can yet. I've nothing to hide.

Posted
  On 7/7/2011 at 9:43 PM, John McClane said:
  On 7/7/2011 at 9:08 PM, Nolder said:

I quote what I feel is relevant to keep posts readable and avoid large quote towers

if you feel I'm missing some key point of yours just inform me of what it is and we can discuss it and I'll tell you why I felt it wasn't relevant

Anyone else find this response ironic?

what's ironic about it?

 

  On 7/7/2011 at 9:43 PM, John McClane said:

He quotes what he feels is relevant... and then changes its meaning to make it sound scummy. Heh.

I don't change the meaning of anything

if the meaning is changed by taking it out of context then please correct me

 

  On 7/7/2011 at 9:43 PM, John McClane said:

I did feel he was missing a "key point" of mine... like the true meaning of the statement me quoted. Pfft... unreal.

I probably disagree but if you'll post the original statement and the section I quoted and explain how the meaning was changed maybe we can figure this out

imo you're just saying it was changed just to say it

 

  On 7/7/2011 at 9:36 PM, John McClane said:

Nolder - you are playing chicken and egg with me, which further justifies my FOS for you...

I don't understand what you mean by that

 

  On 7/7/2011 at 9:36 PM, John McClane said:

Chronologically:

 

[*]Blackhoof votes and cites an irrational case based on scum making a desperation play on D1.

[*]I call him out on it, vote him. Say scum doesn't need to grasp at straws on D1.

[*]You cherry-pick me talking about grasping at straws, and make it sound like I was making the case that they would do that - when if fact it was the opposite.

I didn't know the term cherry pick, had to look it up

what evidence did I suppress?

all I was trying to say can be summed up like this "you may or may not be right about blackhoof, but the way you're making your case looks scummy to me"

I'm sorry I misspoke but like I said my head wasn't clear earlier

 

  On 7/7/2011 at 9:36 PM, John McClane said:

[*]I correct you, and say I think you spun my words and its scummy.

[*]You admit to misinterpreting my meaning "by accident" but also asked why I thought you were scummy.

I don't like how you're insinuating that it wasn't an accident but fairs fair I suppose

if I can imply you're scum jumping on a mistake to get an easy lynch you're well within your rights to imply it wasn't an accident

I'll trust in the rest of the town to decide whats what

 

  On 7/7/2011 at 9:36 PM, John McClane said:

[*]I told you why I though you were scummy.

[*]Now you are saying I'm twisting your intentions, which I could have ONLY known after the fact. Follow the chronology of our discourse. You said you just read the thread, you say now that you only quote what is relevant, and you cherry-pick me and spin it to mean something scummy. Then when I clarify and explain to you why what you did is scummy... you turn around and tell me I'm the one spinning? Hahahaha... absurd.

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Heh. I FOS people that take my words, partially quote them and misconstrue their meaning... like you did, and admitted to in this very post. That is scummy.

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and I may have misconstrued your meaning but you're twisting it to sound like it was on purpose and then admitted doing it

that's not true at all

 

lets take a look at these quotes

the top one is you the bottom one is me replying to you

you said that I "admitted" to misconstruing you in my post

I reply that you're twisting what was said to make it seem as though it was done on purpose

because yes I admit there being a misunderstanding but I did not do it on purpose and admit no guilt on that count whereas you're implying that I "knew what I did was wrong" or somesuch

do you see how you've twisted the words now?

you're making it seem like I'm admitting to misunderstanding you on purpose when I'm clearly not saying that

 

  On 7/7/2011 at 9:36 PM, John McClane said:

As for the assertions you've made about my case on Blackhoof...

 

First off, how am I kicking him while he is down, when I was the first to vote him? This statement makes no sense.

you misunderstand

that's my fault for using that phrase though

as I said above what I'm accusing you of is jumping on blackhoof when he's saying something obviously dumb

you're tunneling him (and now me) over something I see as very trivial and making a big deal out of it as if you're trying to get him lynched

 

  On 7/7/2011 at 9:36 PM, John McClane said:

My case on him is that he is capitalizing on Tina's gaff, and was trying to nudge her train based on the premise that she is scum making a desperation play, which is irrational on D1. To me HE was trying to push a lynch on an error, and get the easy kill. She was one of the lynch leaders at that point. Now you are saying I am going for the "easy kill" on Blackhoof when I was the first vote on him? How is voting someone first "going for an easy kill?" This statement makes no sense.

why do you need to vote on someone second or third or so on for it to be going for an easy kill?

if you're persuasive you can start a bandwagon all on your own instead of just jumping on one

 

but anyway

I think it makes sense

you may disagree that that's what's going on and I'm fine with that

 

  On 7/7/2011 at 9:36 PM, John McClane said:

You arguments are devoid of logic and full of accusations that have no credence. I don't even need to discuss this further with you... I'm happy to clarify anything for anyone else though.

I agree

this discussion does not need to be taken any further

 

  On 7/7/2011 at 9:37 PM, John McClane said:
  On 7/7/2011 at 9:09 PM, Nolder said:

bleh

my headache is just getting worse

I'm gonna go relax for awhile

I'll be back later

Translation: I just got my ass handed to me, I need to run along to the Scum QT and figure out how to get Die Hard to leave me alone.

my headache was causing me a lot of pain so I took some aspirin and went to lay down for awhile

in the future I'd appreciate it if you didn't imply that I'm lying about real world issues to cover for any kind of mistake or "scumslip" that may or may not have occurred as the case may be

 

Translation: I don't lie about IRL stuff so stop being a dick please.

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