[Advanced] Monty Python and the Holy Grail Mafia (Game Over)

[Sedai]

I know my actions may not pertain to anything presently but I keep the whole game in scope when I post most times.

[Christine]

  On 6/23/2011 at 10:25 PM, Minuet said:

  On 6/23/2011 at 2:49 AM, Christine said:

Wombat is the big game? Wombat isn't even talking! Neither is Min!

 

 

Maybe you are the one to hand out PR's and know why.

 

 

I know this is a bad excuse, but this is my first real Advance game. Didn't realize that someone could be silenced. My bad.

[berf]

Still holding my vote. Moon's lack of being here though, is starting to be a worry. For her.

[Niniel]

I´m still fine with a Moon lynch. We still have time to see if the silent players will come back and talk or not.

 

I agree with Red that if Moon turns up scum then Tiinker is in trouble. I don´t think any player so far has said they vote Moon because she is silent. The suspicions of her started before she went silent.

 

I will remind you again that I will be celebrating midsummer today and will be back tomorrow afternoon. (My time is now 11.51 PM)

[bgrishinko]

  On 6/24/2011 at 3:10 AM, Jack_D said:

Whatever. I'm not focusing on red. Everybody is adding arms and legs to it. I just wanted a simple answer.

 

[....]

 

 

my focus today has been on the JLM night kill and the motivation behind it

 

It has been on possible people behind it

 

It has also been on the possibility of Moon being a newbie scum or a symp

 

It has also been on Charis

 

It ha also been on Red and her post style

 

 

That's not much of a focus... I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Plus the two bolded parts are contradictory and confusing.

[Sedai]

I left out solely in the first boldv but didn't want to go back in and edit because I didn't want to get modkilled

[Red2111]

*Red stands proudly on her bridge, watching the path leading up to it.*

 

 

 

with the Moon vote, i understand not wanting to lyncyh a silent person; but we can't be stuck on this choice and need to make sure we get a controlled lynch on someone. Moon's posted on other parts of DM, yet hasn't posted in the game. she's an active person from what i rememebr so either she's been frozen/silenced or she's pretending to be frozen/silenced.

 

 

etiehr way we need to either focus on voting someone else that can talk so our pressure gets us some info; or go ahead and lynch Moon so we can stop dithering on this.

 

 

Jack - you have been focusing on me sicne post #364, and sicne then you';ve only been talk ing about that. people, including myself, have told you it's not productive to finding scum today, seems like your distracting away from us pressuring Moon (who isn't posting) and Min (who IS posting).

 

how exactly is focusing on PR's productive to lynching scum? how is it productive twoards getting a majority lynch instead of a random one? people are telling you, this is scummy and distracting from our goal of lynching a scum; how is being distracting to finding scum productive for the town?

 

if your town, then drop it until a more proper time; if your scum then by all means push harder and make our job easier

 

Your focus since Day Break has been on the NK then switched to PR's and if i may or may not have one. Both of these focuses are not productive to finding any scum today (which is the aim of the Day Cycle) and are looked at as distractions for the most part during day. all the NK really tells us right now is that theres a good chance theres only one kiling faction; theres no info in analyzing why they picked JLM, she was both Big game and a Lurker, and theres multiple reasons why scum woudl target both of those categories.

i'm interested to know how an answer to the question you ask will prevent any WIFOM in the future.

[Sedai]

  On 6/24/2011 at 4:48 PM, Red2111 said:

*Red stands proudly on her bridge, watching the path leading up to it.*

 

 

 

with the Moon vote, i understand not wanting to lyncyh a silent person; but we can't be stuck on this choice and need to make sure we get a controlled lynch on someone. Moon's posted on other parts of DM, yet hasn't posted in the game. she's an active person from what i rememebr so either she's been frozen/silenced or she's pretending to be frozen/silenced.

 

 

etiehr way we need to either focus on voting someone else that can talk so our pressure gets us some info; or go ahead and lynch Moon so we can stop dithering on this.

 

 

Jack - you have been focusing on me sicne post #364, and sicne then you';ve only been talk ing about that. people, including myself, have told you it's not productive to finding scum today, seems like your distracting away from us pressuring Moon (who isn't posting) and Min (who IS posting).

 

I've been distracting from Moon and trying to take pressure off? That must be why I said I believe she is scum or newbie mafia an I have my vote on her. I don't have a read on Min yet

 

how exactly is focusing on PR's productive to lynching scum? how is it productive twoards getting a majority lynch instead of a random one? people are telling you, this is scummy and distracting from our goal of lynching a scum; how is being distracting to finding scum productive for the town?

 

since you've clearly read all my posts and they've all been about you you would see how I think it's important. Red if your worried about me being a distraction why don't you just tell me? After tsar we can get along to looking other directions. Your total unwillingness is starting to raise flags

 

if your town, then drop it until a more proper time; if your scum then by all means push harder and make our job easier

 

so your threatening a lynch on me if I don't be quiet? This is te proper time Because of previously stated reasons.

 

Your focus since Day Break has been on the NK then switched to PR's and if i may or may not have one. Both of these focuses are not productive to finding any scum today (which is the aim of the Day Cycle) and are looked at as distractions for the most part during day. all the NK really tells us right now is that theres a good chance theres only one kiling faction; theres no info in analyzing why they picked JLM, she was both Big game and a Lurker, and theres multiple reasons why scum woudl target both of those categories.

 

so talking about why scum kills someone and what motivates them in hopes to back track to the killer isn't productive? Never realized that.

 

You forgot my focus also being on Moon and Charis, but I guess omitting that makes the case your trying to build on me fit together more easily.

 

i'm interested to know how an answer to the question you ask will prevent any WIFOM in the future.

 

if you were interested in why and how I think you answering my questions would prevent a wifom you should have read my reasons earlier instead of painting me with a scum brush.

 

Red, what would answering my question hurt? I've stated reasons why I think itd help but you've yet to list a real reason on how it could hurt.

 

You say it's not relevant to scum hunting, but neither was day1 quotefest. You weren't jumping at people for that. So if it isn't relevant to the game just answer and let's move on. If not them your reasoning for not saying is weak.

 

UNVOTE and vote red

[csarmi]

Jack, there is a piece of information in question:

 

Does Red have a PR? What kind of PRM Why does she have it? What does it tell us of her alignment? What does it tell us of her role?

 

I can't see how that information would help town at this point. I do think, however, that the less information the Maffia has, the better for town.

[Tiinker]

  On 6/24/2011 at 12:37 AM, Red2111 said:

 

  On 6/23/2011 at 9:30 PM, Tiinker said:

  On 6/23/2011 at 7:47 PM, Sakaea said:

VOTE MOON

 

 

Her last post was #244; several people, myself included, have stated we'd like to hear more from her. She has posted elsewhere, but has not responded to any of the posts of the last few days.

 

Maybe she can't. She seemed pretty enthusiastic about this game so I'm atleast not going to vote her on the fact that she's not speaking. But if we need a controlled lynch then I'll vote for her too.

 

and heres the hint (or planting the seed) that Moon might be silenced. Tinker you just shot up on my short list. subtle manuvering by a scummster, me thinks.

 

I don't get it.. Why would I "plant a seed"? If you think then we can rule out the option that she can't reply for some reason then share it with the rest of us please.

[bgrishinko]

  On 6/24/2011 at 5:40 PM, Jack_D said:

  On 6/24/2011 at 4:48 PM, Red2111 said:

*Red stands proudly on her bridge, watching the path leading up to it.*

 

 

 

with the Moon vote, i understand not wanting to lyncyh a silent person; but we can't be stuck on this choice and need to make sure we get a controlled lynch on someone. Moon's posted on other parts of DM, yet hasn't posted in the game. she's an active person from what i rememebr so either she's been frozen/silenced or she's pretending to be frozen/silenced.

 

 

etiehr way we need to either focus on voting someone else that can talk so our pressure gets us some info; or go ahead and lynch Moon so we can stop dithering on this.

 

 

Jack - you have been focusing on me sicne post #364, and sicne then you';ve only been talk ing about that. people, including myself, have told you it's not productive to finding scum today, seems like your distracting away from us pressuring Moon (who isn't posting) and Min (who IS posting).

 

I've been distracting from Moon and trying to take pressure off? That must be why I said I believe she is scum or newbie mafia an I have my vote on her. I don't have a read on Min yet

 

how exactly is focusing on PR's productive to lynching scum? how is it productive twoards getting a majority lynch instead of a random one? people are telling you, this is scummy and distracting from our goal of lynching a scum; how is being distracting to finding scum productive for the town?

 

since you've clearly read all my posts and they've all been about you you would see how I think it's important. Red if your worried about me being a distraction why don't you just tell me? After tsar we can get along to looking other directions. Your total unwillingness is starting to raise flags

 

if your town, then drop it until a more proper time; if your scum then by all means push harder and make our job easier

 

so your threatening a lynch on me if I don't be quiet? This is te proper time Because of previously stated reasons.

 

Your focus since Day Break has been on the NK then switched to PR's and if i may or may not have one. Both of these focuses are not productive to finding any scum today (which is the aim of the Day Cycle) and are looked at as distractions for the most part during day. all the NK really tells us right now is that theres a good chance theres only one kiling faction; theres no info in analyzing why they picked JLM, she was both Big game and a Lurker, and theres multiple reasons why scum woudl target both of those categories.

 

so talking about why scum kills someone and what motivates them in hopes to back track to the killer isn't productive? Never realized that.

 

You forgot my focus also being on Moon and Charis, but I guess omitting that makes the case your trying to build on me fit together more easily.

 

i'm interested to know how an answer to the question you ask will prevent any WIFOM in the future.

 

if you were interested in why and how I think you answering my questions would prevent a wifom you should have read my reasons earlier instead of painting me with a scum brush.

 

Red, what would answering my question hurt? I've stated reasons why I think itd help but you've yet to list a real reason on how it could hurt.

 

You say it's not relevant to scum hunting, but neither was day1 quotefest. You weren't jumping at people for that. So if it isn't relevant to the game just answer and let's move on. If not them your reasoning for not saying is weak.

 

UNVOTE and vote red

 

 

aaaaaannnd.... Unvote: Vote Jack

[Krakalakachkn]

Vote Count

 

 

Red (2): Min, Jack

Moon (4): Key, GF, Tina, Sakaea

Min (3): Kil, Red, trench

Jack (3): Charis, Csarmi, BG

[sVieira151]

Okay, as to the whole Red/Charis situation it seems that they are both just flinging shite at each other. It seems they are digging too hard into each others posts to try and incriminate the other that is has becomne fairly pointless. There is a chance both are town and this is good cover for the scum to just ride along behind all of this. This does not mean neither could be scum though, but I didn't feel while reading it that either were evil.

 

I've already made a point of Jack-D and having read through since page 14/15 I have noticed a few more posts I didn't really like. I am fairly suspicious of this one and would be happy to lynch him.

 

Tiinker didn't really contribute much at all in Day 1, except from provide the hammer on Hoofie's lynch. I didn't like this move mostly because he said he thought he would be putting it to L-1 when in actual fact someone had just done that. The votes were 2 mins apart so that was enough time for Tiinker to make sure nobody ninja'd him by previewing.

He hasn't posted much since(1 or 2 posts) so I'd like to hear his thoughts on the current state of the game and who he thinks is suspicious etc. I would be fine with his lynch, as he hasn't done much besides accidentally hammer Hoofie.

 

As for Moon, I feel we should leave her alive(well, not lynch her. There is always the chance she may be nk'd) until tomorrow. Then she could explain her absence from this game-day so far.

 

Hmmm. Now about Min. I've read from page 14/15 and haven't found anything since that makes me wary of her. I will have a wee look at earlier pages and decide. The only thing that I have noticed is that she seems to have revealed a PR on herself. Whether this is a real PR or a fake-claim to throw us off is another matter.

 

At the moment though I'm going to vote Leelou as she has done sweet f all this whole game. She said she would post her thoughts sometime at the start of Day 2 but we have yet to see this post. I would like to hear her thoughts before Day 2 is finished.

 

 

In-Post EDIT:

Tiinker just replied and I agree with that point. Red seemed to be trying too hard to find something there.

[Sedai]

  On 6/24/2011 at 5:57 PM, csarmi said:

Jack, there is a piece of information in question:

 

Does Red have a PR? What kind of PRM Why does she have it? What does it tell us of her alignment? What does it tell us of her role?

 

I can't see how that information would help town at this point. I do think, however, that the less information the Maffia has, the better for town.

 

The mafia already know who isn't a member of the mafia. That's all they need during the game. If they thought Red's PR was an allusion to her role, they'd of killed her last night assuming she is alluding to a certain character.

 

If red does have a PR and she just admits it, nothing changes about the game, and we continue to look over everyone else and try and find scum members.

 

If red is mafia then she has set it up where she can

 

A) fake claim the character she is alluding to if no one has yet to counter

 

B) she can also say she has a PR, setting up a little bit of assumed innocence, after all what mafia member would give a teammate a PR? (see a little wifom

 

C) There is a player who has the same character as red (if her posting is alluding to a character. I think they are because if I remember right she said people will get it). He counters and, Red just says she was having fun with the theme of the game. That player is outed and the mafia have a direct NK target

 

So there they are. That's what I think at this present rime. That's why I think it's relevant for red to just admit something now

[Sedai]

Any particular reason?

 

  On 6/24/2011 at 6:23 PM, bgrishinko said:

  On 6/24/2011 at 5:40 PM, Jack_D said:

  On 6/24/2011 at 4:48 PM, Red2111 said:

*Red stands proudly on her bridge, watching the path leading up to it.*

 

 

 

with the Moon vote, i understand not wanting to lyncyh a silent person; but we can't be stuck on this choice and need to make sure we get a controlled lynch on someone. Moon's posted on other parts of DM, yet hasn't posted in the game. she's an active person from what i rememebr so either she's been frozen/silenced or she's pretending to be frozen/silenced.

 

 

etiehr way we need to either focus on voting someone else that can talk so our pressure gets us some info; or go ahead and lynch Moon so we can stop dithering on this.

 

 

Jack - you have been focusing on me sicne post #364, and sicne then you';ve only been talk ing about that. people, including myself, have told you it's not productive to finding scum today, seems like your distracting away from us pressuring Moon (who isn't posting) and Min (who IS posting).

 

I've been distracting from Moon and trying to take pressure off? That must be why I said I believe she is scum or newbie mafia an I have my vote on her. I don't have a read on Min yet

 

how exactly is focusing on PR's productive to lynching scum? how is it productive twoards getting a majority lynch instead of a random one? people are telling you, this is scummy and distracting from our goal of lynching a scum; how is being distracting to finding scum productive for the town?

 

since you've clearly read all my posts and they've all been about you you would see how I think it's important. Red if your worried about me being a distraction why don't you just tell me? After tsar we can get along to looking other directions. Your total unwillingness is starting to raise flags

 

if your town, then drop it until a more proper time; if your scum then by all means push harder and make our job easier

 

so your threatening a lynch on me if I don't be quiet? This is te proper time Because of previously stated reasons.

 

Your focus since Day Break has been on the NK then switched to PR's and if i may or may not have one. Both of these focuses are not productive to finding any scum today (which is the aim of the Day Cycle) and are looked at as distractions for the most part during day. all the NK really tells us right now is that theres a good chance theres only one kiling faction; theres no info in analyzing why they picked JLM, she was both Big game and a Lurker, and theres multiple reasons why scum woudl target both of those categories.

 

so talking about why scum kills someone and what motivates them in hopes to back track to the killer isn't productive? Never realized that.

 

You forgot my focus also being on Moon and Charis, but I guess omitting that makes the case your trying to build on me fit together more easily.

 

i'm interested to know how an answer to the question you ask will prevent any WIFOM in the future.

 

if you were interested in why and how I think you answering my questions would prevent a wifom you should have read my reasons earlier instead of painting me with a scum brush.

 

Red, what would answering my question hurt? I've stated reasons why I think itd help but you've yet to list a real reason on how it could hurt.

 

You say it's not relevant to scum hunting, but neither was day1 quotefest. You weren't jumping at people for that. So if it isn't relevant to the game just answer and let's move on. If not them your reasoning for not saying is weak.

 

UNVOTE and vote red

 

 

aaaaaannnd.... Unvote: Vote Jack

[Leelou]

Sorry. I had asked to be replaced during Day 1. I'm trying to get caught up with the game and get a good read since there was no one available for my spot.

 

I really don't much to add, I could go with a vote on any of the following:

 

Moon acting scummy and then disappearing.

 

Min for being odd.

 

Jack for pushing the PR thing on Red.

[csarmi]

  On 6/24/2011 at 7:26 PM, Jack_D said:

The mafia already know who isn't a member of the mafia. That's all they need during the game. If they thought Red's PR was an allusion to her role, they'd of killed her last night assuming she is alluding to a certain character.

 

Sorry, but that's just stupid.

If I was maffia, I'd really love to know everything about the game. Who is who, which character, which roles, how is the game set up. All that is crucial information. Especially who the power roles are and what can they do.

[bgrishinko]

@Jack_D

 

Mainly because I think that you are distracting and pushing it too hard for a reason, and this is what Red mentioned about keeping pressure off teammates.

 

Your vote on Moon means nothing when all direction is on Red. Keeping your vote on Moon only helps yourself join in with what others are thinking and avoid suspicion of protecting her if a hammer drops. If we lynch Moon and she flips scum, you are an early voter and people begin to trust you. But best case scenario for you is that doesn't happen. So you spend all your time detracting everone's attention from the Moon vote onto Red who draws a lot of attention with her posts.

 

I don't like Moon's posts, but I'm reluctant to vote someone who may be silenced and therefore I want to hear why not talkie before I pass a final judgement her way. Sorry Jack... but you earned my vote with your big mouth.

[keyholder21]

I'm willing to unvote Moon for now, because of her silence. I've been silenced in a game before. I still think she's scummy, but I want to give her a chance to defend herself.

 

I'm going to vote min, for reasons I stated in an earlier post.

[Sedai]

  On 6/24/2011 at 7:43 PM, csarmi said:

  On 6/24/2011 at 7:26 PM, Jack_D said:

The mafia already know who isn't a member of the mafia. That's all they need during the game. If they thought Red's PR was an allusion to her role, they'd of killed her last night assuming she is alluding to a certain character.

 

Sorry, but that's just stupid.

If I was maffia, I'd really love to know everything about the game. Who is who, which character, which roles, how is the game set up. All that is crucial information. Especially who the power roles are and what can they do.

 

How is that stupid? I think it's stupid to assume anything, and to only believe in your own opinion, versus being open to all possible situations.

 

The snake in the grass will kill you quicker then the snake in the open.

 

Sure the mafia would like to have the power roles figured out, but they don't need to. They have a lot less people to look at for power roles then the town has to look for for mafia. But that's neither here nor there. Like I said, if the mafia thought red was alluding to a character they'd of killed her last night to take out a power role or a know character.

[Sedai]

Whatever BG, I post what I Think and what I think will get reactions to further whatever alignment I am. Town, scum, SK, or cult. I do the same thing.

 

I put out the idea of Moon being a newbie scum or a symp. I threw a vote on her, because I thought if she flipped scum it would give another person to look at. IMO Charis. If I wouldn't have posted that back and forth with Charis, you wouldn't have a scummy opinion of Moon, because she wouldn't have posted her defense of Charis post. So my big mouth made Moon a possible scum suspect and the most likely lynch if she wouldn't have been silenced.

 

Red's refusal to answer my one question raised flags. When someone thumps me on the nose and says no, I don't back down. It makes me go harder in the direction I was originally going in. I think her answer would help the town in the long run, so I'm insisting that she answer the question.

[bgrishinko]

  On 6/24/2011 at 8:03 PM, Jack_D said:

Whatever BG, I post what I Think and what I think will get reactions to further whatever alignment I am. Town, scum, SK, or cult. I do the same thing.

 

I put out the idea of Moon being a newbie scum or a symp. I threw a vote on her, because I thought if she flipped scum it would give another person to look at. IMO Charis. If I wouldn't have posted that back and forth with Charis, you wouldn't have a scummy opinion of Moon, because she wouldn't have posted her defense of Charis post. So my big mouth made Moon a possible scum suspect and the most likely lynch if she wouldn't have been silenced.

 

Red's refusal to answer my one question raised flags. When someone thumps me on the nose and says no, I don't back down. It makes me go harder in the direction I was originally going in. I think her answer would help the town in the long run, so I'm insisting that she answer the question.

 

 

Fair Enough. I post what I think too. But being scum requires manipulation, not just "Whatever, I do what I want!" As such, all are suspicious to me until proven innocent. I look at everyone as if they are trying to pull the shade over my eyes. Your comments have seemed the most manipulative to me so far.

[Sakaea]

I am going to UNVOTE MOON because she still hasn't posted, so I'm now pretty much convinced she can't. Once she can post again, I'll revisit a possible vote for her, depending on what she says.

If the rest of you decide you want to lynch her anyway, I would revote for a consolidated lynch.

[Sedai]

That's the thing BG with mafia. Everybody manipulates people. Town, scum and whatever other factions there are in the game.

 

Town post arguments and make cases to make the person they think is scum, look scummy so they can sway and manipulate the majority of players to lynch another player. They also manipulate situations to get the answers they are looking for.

 

The mafia manipulate people so the majority of players think they are town and also they manipulate people into lynching townies. So they can win the game.

[Sedai]

I'm bored.......