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Warning: Wall of Text incoming. There will be a quiz after this so take notes! ;)

 

This whole JLM nightkill thing really bothers me. Why JLM? It seems so random. But it can't just be RANDOM. There has to be some reason to it.

 

 

 

JLM's first 4 posts all seem to just be in the quote fest. Alright no big deal.

 

 

  On 6/16/2011 at 2:01 AM, JenLenaMom said:

Right now I'm concerned by both Moon's jumping on Min and Blackhoof's crazy voting but that's typical from what I've seen.

 

Hmmm rarely get scum on day one but I would like to see what the vote count is before I come down on either side of the fence.

 

Ok, so JLM points out Moon jumping on Min and Blackhoof's voting. Blackhoof was lynched, so ignoring that for now.

 

 

  On 6/16/2011 at 3:02 PM, JenLenaMom said:

Red, take this as a compliement, you're starting to sound like Mynd. If missed that in mafia *hugs*

 

Red sounds like Mynd.... I don't see Red killing JLM for a compliment.

 

 

  On 6/17/2011 at 9:09 PM, JenLenaMom said:

Since we are rapidly coming up on deadline and hoofie still hasn't come back to offer further on this half reveal Blackhoof

 

Ok so she voted for Blackhoof's lynch. Not a big deal since he flipped vanilla.

 

  On 6/21/2011 at 7:35 PM, Krakalakachkn said:

JenaLenMom, the Dead Collector, Vanilla Town, has been Nightkilled

 

 

 

 

Ok. So as best I can see it, the only real incriminating post has to do with pointing out Moon jumping onto Min. She doesn't really call Moon out on it, but it was a subtle message. So, the two suspects could be Moon and Min at this point. Why would Moon NK someone that pointed out her scumminess. Seems like a noob mistake to me. But, if Moon wanted her off her tail, it could be a ploy to NK someone that it would be stupid for her to kill... Min on the other hand... By Min NKing JLM, it just indites Moon further.

 

 

So which to vote for... Moon with the obvious move to NK JLM, or Min with the subtle move to NK those that see her as a victim?

 

 

I think I am going to need a vote count......

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Christine's Vote Count

 

 

Red (1) Min

 

Moon (4) BG, Key, GF, Jack

 

Min (3) Kill, Red, CS

 

Jack (1) Charis

 

 

25 Alive so 13 to Lynch. Looks like it is going towards Moon or Min. Gah I don't know which one to vote for, but one of the two is going to flip.

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Kill - swedish is a very beautiful language! :biggrin:

 

Thank´s Charis for explaining the Kivam gambit. I had guessed what it was but it was nice that someone explained it to us who haven´t been here for ages. (If there is a link to that game somewhere I would love to read it.)

 

I´m sorry that I haven´t been so active. My daughter has been with me some days now and when she is I don´t have so much time left for DM. Tomorrow she is going to her dad and then I will have more time. On Friday we celebrate Midsummer so I may not write much that day but otherwise I will try to be more active. I think that lurkers are just boring.

 

Over to our present game. I have not much to add since there are lot of players that have said what I think. Moon has pinged me the most and that is why she get my vote. Her first scummy posts was when she voted Min after AJs post and after that tried to make it less serious by claiming that it was Min mentioning the song that was the reason for her vote. Someone else have already mentioned that as soon as people starts suspecting her then she gets quiet.

 

I have no idea about Red or Charis. Min is pinging me and I think that is because she takes every comment about her so serious and over explain everything. That doesn´t have to mean she is scum though.

 

I didn´t understand why Jacks post yesterday got that big attention. Would scum just scream "get an end to this day so I can start killing people"? It was GF who commented on this first I think so I will look extra close to his posts from now on.

 

Wombat is just weird and I don´t understand what he is up to. You, that have played more with him, maybe know that better than me.

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And as usual there was some posting while I wrote... I think that JLM was killed because she didn´t contributed to the game much and by killing her we don´t get much info out of the nk. I think that I was the only one who mentioned her yesterday? I don´t think we can get any clues jet by examining her death.

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  On 6/22/2011 at 7:54 PM, trench said:

I have played in a few games where the Post Restriction lasted the whole game or was conditional to an item or a situation that could release them. I have been operating under the assumption that Red is under a post restriction, if she is not, then I bow to Red the true Master of manipulation.

 

 

 

As BG read trench's post, he felt a wave of nostalgia come over him about the PR BG had once taken away from trench.

 

As for the reason on why JLM was killed, I'm leaning towards Jack's theory more than Charis. We haven't really learned all that much. What has been nice is the fact that we can see that the scum want to keep us on the same current trail for some reason... strengthens my belief that Red and Charis are probably both town for now. Anything could change, but such is that.

 

Also, I'm failing to see the scumminess in Min right now upon review. Just saying.

 

 

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  On 6/22/2011 at 7:12 PM, Jack_D said:

@Alanna what made me think of am experienced player is the fact that they chose a nk target that left the town @ square 1. They left the key arguments in place by leaving all the arguing players alive. Hoping they could run up a lynch on one another. That was the perfect strategic kill. Because JLM could have been a valuable commodity the more the game progresses. So I feel comfortable assuming a very experienced player has the reins scum side.

 

Moon's defense of Charis feels like she knows charis's alignment. Charis's not picking up the defense statement (unless she did so in her link post.) makes me believe she isn't really sure of moon's allignment. Unless Charis is an experienced player in which case she's trying to distance the idea of them being on a team. Moon sounds like a symp, well that post does. The fact that moon picked up Charis's whole I look scummy because I wanted day 1 over.

 

If I look scummy for wanting day 1 over, why doesn't other players look the same? I believe the scum were using my post to put up a front of innocence.

 

Jack, I did pick it up in my link post here in #10. I just assumed she was stating the obvious, though, esp since I wasnt the only one who found your posts scummy. (I also linked to those people's comments on my link thread.)

 

Also, I never addressed your NK theory. I'm not sure what to think of it because it was a Night One kill and those are usually just as random as a Day One lynch. You may just be giving them more credit than they deserve. However, I do think you have a point regarding the scum keeping all the arguing players alive just to string us along. :dry: In that case... I feel a bit swayed regarding my vote on you. Unless you are scum and you're seriously a master player, using your own ploys to pose as genuine theories... *shakes head* Maybe I'll consider unovting you after all. I would like to know from you who you would list out as very experienced players? I mean, when I see a list go up for players for a new mafia game, I see names like Wombat, Player, Red, JLM, Nyn, Min... etc. Many of those playing in this very game. Therefore, I'm not sure how much this narrows down our list of suspects. But I will say it is worth considering.

 

  On 6/22/2011 at 7:54 PM, trench said:

I have played in a few games where the Post Restriction lasted the whole game or was conditional to an item or a situation that could release them. I have been operating under the assumption that Red is under a post restriction, if she is not, then I bow to Red the true Master of manipulation.

 

Ok, I have never seen it, but if this is the case then maybe she is under a PR. I think I'll just remove it from my list of factors since there's no way to tell.

 

Um... where are Moon and Min? :unsure: I'd really like to hear a defense.

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Charis, IMO JLM, Min, red, and wombat are the big game this go round.

 

It wouldn't surprise me if Moon is a newbie scum Orval symp. Anything else and I'll honestly be surprised.

 

How is the obvious, "She's scared of night because she might be nightkilled? That's over kill and het using it in your direction makes you appear scummy.

 

I play mafia a little different then most. My scum hunting is unconventional but it's strangely active. Min ask Lily.

 

You didn't answer my other question. If me wanting night to hit to make day 1 over looked scummy, why didn't anyone else's posts stating the same thing look scummy?

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I agree with Jack on this one. Several people, myself included, wanted the day 1 silliness/quotefest to be over, so we could start to play the game (which you all just lost, BTW :tongue: ). If you're going to FOS someone for that, IMHO that's pretty weak.

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I've been on scum teams with people before who fake a PR just to appear innocent.

 

Red if that is a PR can you make your first sentence start with the letter P? I'd like yo to confirm I it's a PR or not.

 

That doesn't vet her, just allows us to know if she has a PR. Her innocence is up for debate

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Possibly Jack she isn't the one with one today. Poor other player could have one that prevents them from helping. Probably not to contribute if they have one. Presently it would seem that someone else may have one. Personally I find them horrible.

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  On 6/22/2011 at 8:13 PM, TinaHel said:

Wombat is just weird and I don´t understand what he is up to. You, that have played more with him, maybe know that better than me.

 

He pretty much is playing the way he always does, from what I can tell. I never know when he's scum or not though.

 

 

Christine, "big-game hunting" is nightkilling players with reps, for instance, killing Mynd just because he's Mynd, etc. So they're listing the people who have well-known reputations as good, experienced players, not people who have been vocal in this game.

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I'm still sus of Charis. Personally, the level that she went too screams desperate, and if I was making a spectacle of myself as a townie I'd quieten down, not perk up and start people thinking about lynching me.

 

So, Sus at the behavior, not so much the content of the posts.

 

 

I'm undecided on wether the NK was random or targeted at an experianced player. Surely if it was against a 'big name', it would be Red or Wombat? Then again I don't play this very often so maybe JLM is a bigger name than I know. But I was NK enabled, personally, JLM would not have been my target.

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*Red sits down and begins to polish a bit of her black armor, she see's a person attempting to cross her river and scrambles upwards, pointing her sword at the passerby's chest*

 

Halt, you fiend! no one can pass through here on the orders of .... well on orders, nevermind who gave them! Step back yawn vegrant or be skewered by my outstandingly awesome sword skills

 

*Red flurishes her sword to emphasize her point*

 

 

Oye!! players of this fair game. i again point to Min as being scummy once more. you see how she is ignoring the pressure on her, yet she is pouncing on the chance to direct attention from consolodating a lynch on either herself or Moon, attempting to focus our attention on Post Restrictions instead with her last post!

 

 

  On 6/23/2011 at 3:14 AM, Jack_D said:

I've been on scum teams with people before who fake a PR just to appear innocent.

 

Red if that is a PR can you make your first sentence start with the letter P? I'd like yo to confirm I it's a PR or not.

 

That doesn't vet her, just allows us to know if she has a PR. Her innocence is up for debate

 

as i told Trench, this has no bearing on finding scum; so i wonder why you are making it such an important issue. besides, whether its a PR, a hint at my character or just me having fun, what baring woudl it have on my alignment sirs? afterall i have seen scum get a PR as often as a townie.

 

you bringing up my actiosn and attemtping to present it as the central thing to focus on right now, especially when everyone feels we have possibly 2 scum in our sights, reeks of a diversion attempt and boosts you higher up my list of suspects.

 

attempt to cross my river and i will skewer you as if you were a meat kabob!

 

 

  On 6/23/2011 at 4:24 AM, Alanna said:
  On 6/22/2011 at 8:13 PM, TinaHel said:

Wombat is just weird and I don´t understand what he is up to. You, that have played more with him, maybe know that better than me.

 

He pretty much is playing the way he always does, from what I can tell. I never know when he's scum or not though.

 

 

Christine, "big-game hunting" is nightkilling players with reps, for instance, killing Mynd just because he's Mynd, etc. So they're listing the people who have well-known reputations as good, experienced players, not people who have been vocal in this game.

 

^^ this.

 

i also agree that the NK on JLM is more likely because she was inactive, and that they've left the more vocal Big Game alive to help cause confusion. given this, and the nice WIFOM Moon attemtped to set up on me if Charis survived the night; he only thing that will convince me that she isn't scum is her corners report tbh.

 

 

  On 6/23/2011 at 4:32 AM, ineedfourberfs said:

I'm undecided on wether the NK was random or targeted at an experianced player. Surely if it was against a 'big name', it would be Red or Wombat? Then again I don't play this very often so maybe JLM is a bigger name than I know. But I was NK enabled, personally, JLM would not have been my target.

 

if there's an experienced player on the scum team i can tell you why they left myself alive. why NK a person when their likely to get themselves lynched. as for Womby, well he's either scum or they left him alive for the same reason; because they thought they could get him lynched and didn't want to waste a NK when the town can do their job for them.

 

but a perosns whose played this game a few times knows this strategy as scum, as it's the one used the most tbh.

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  On 6/23/2011 at 2:06 AM, Jack_D said:

You didn't answer my other question. If me wanting night to hit to make day 1 over looked scummy, why didn't anyone else's posts stating the same thing look scummy?

 

Jack, I wish you would read my posts more carefully because this is the second time (at least) that I have to restate something I've already said. I already linked to the others who found your word scummy in my post here: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/60418-advanced-monty-python-and-the-holy-grail-mafia-game-on/page__view__findpost__p__1863384

And for the record, to Sakaea, Alanna, Min and everyone else who wanted Day One to 'get on with it' I wish you would give me some credit. I said pretty much the same thing here (http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/60418-advanced-monty-python-and-the-holy-grail-mafia-game-on/page__view__findpost__p__1855644). But none of us desired it in the way that Jac did, which is why my FoS did not go to Sakaea, Alanna or Min. It went to Jack because his posts sounded bloodthirsty for a NK. And as I've stated before, it sounded like he was too eager to get in some NA - who knows what - could be an SK? There's a big difference between getting bored with Day One and being over-eager for Night to fall so you can do diabolical things under the cover of darkness. But if you all think my argument is too weak, then fine. That is your opinion.

 

  On 6/23/2011 at 3:38 AM, Minuet said:

Possibly Jack she isn't the one with one today. Poor other player could have one that prevents them from helping. Probably not to contribute if they have one. Presently it would seem that someone else may have one. Personally I find them horrible.

 

Oh my...

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Missed Red's post

 

  On 6/23/2011 at 12:45 PM, Red2111 said:

if there's an experienced player on the scum team i can tell you why they left myself alive. why NK a person when their likely to get themselves lynched. as for Womby, well he's either scum or they left him alive for the same reason; because they thought they could get him lynched and didn't want to waste a NK when the town can do their job for them.

 

but a perosns whose played this game a few times knows this strategy as scum, as it's the one used the most tbh.

 

Agree with this. It's probably the main reason why I'm still alive.

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Red I want a definitive answer so you can't back track later. So yes it immediately pertains to this game and helps scum hunt.

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