Wheel of Time Mafia Game Thread

[Quibby]

Its just that Aemon and Red seemed to be two of the most likely innocents that night. If the mafia were targeting Nae, why would they target anyone else? Interesting that you remember who the mafia targeted that night so vividly!

 

Dude. That's what I'm saying.

[Myndrunner]

I dont think im being beligerant at all, I might have struck a nerve though.

 

Why wouldn't Kwom target someone else if he was mafia? It would be a waste for him to target Nae. Im not sure I get why that lets him off the hook.

 

Does anyone else see some inconsistencies in Quibby's casing?

[hotpocket2006]

I'm willing to bet some of the mafia a roled up, just like Ama was. People wouldn't not use their roles, that's stupid. Kwom caused a lot of chaos that night so it is a perfect mafia tool. Also after we have, multiple times called him out on not being active or using his power, he hasn't given very good answers besides he didn't know how. Wombat himself said he would accept questions and I know many mods who will help people talk out decisions. It's not an excuse.

[mcs0083]

Hey everyone. I'm still alive. So who is it that is left? I don't want to make any sort of assessment until I know the facts.

[Quibby]

I dont think im being beligerant at all, I might have struck a nerve though.

 

Why wouldn't Kwom target someone else if he was mafia? It would be a waste for him to target Nae. Im not sure I get why that lets him off the hook.

 

Does anyone else see some inconsistencies in Quibby's casing?

 

Yeah, you kinda did. It bugs me that you would question my ability to go back in a thread and get my facts straight by using the "he knows who was killed on Night X so he must be scummy" argument.

 

The game reads quite interesting when going back with the understanding that Amadine is scum.....

Day 3 (scum death)

Blackhoof (16): bg, quibby, red, trench, keyholder, locke, verbal, nae, adella, curtdragon, drew, amadine, alanna, ahmoondah, kwom

Mynd (1): Aemon

Vambram (1): Mynd

 

Again, for the record, I thought I had successfully voted Blackhoof and even acted as if I did until I was later told I did not. Regardless, we had plenty of votes to lynch him, especially with the double voter present. Take notice who voted for Blackhoof and where they are in the line....

 

If we first eliminate those who are now dead and rename those who have replaced earlier players, the Blackhoof lynch will now look like this:

 

Blackhoof (16): bg, quibby, red, trench, ahmoondah 2.0, locke, verbal, nae, adella, curtdragon, drew, amadine, alanna, ahmoondah, kwom

 

Now, let's highlight in blue those players that either were proven innocent or that are likely innocent based on information we have obtained...and highlight in red those we know to be scum.....

 

Blackhoof (16): bg, quibby, red, trench, ahmoondah 2.0, locke, verbal, nae, adella, curtdragon, drew, amadine, alanna, ahmoondah, kwom

 

Dollars to donuts that there is at least one more scum on that list, likely at the tail end. Being one of the first to be compulsed, one could argue that Verbal is likely innocent. If we are to use the same logic, then it is likely that Quibby is innocent as well. Note that Drew voted just before Amadine, who we now know to be scum.

 

quibby, verbal, nae, drew, alanna, kwom

 

That leaves us with Nae, Drew, Alanna, and Kwom Masbag. What are everyone's thoughts on these four?

 

 

Now, I know this is probably digging my own grave, but I never noticed this before. Could somebody please enlighten me involving my Compulsion? Mynd, maybe?

 

(No, I have never been Compelled in this game.)

[Myndrunner]

Quibby, please calm down. There have been plenty of people pointing the finger at you and I haven't been one of them. I merely made an observation that your argument defending Kwom doesn't make sense and I wanted you to elaborate. I found it interesting that you recalled so vividly who the mafia killed on Night 1, especially now that you can't recall the time when you were assumed to be the compulsed player. I'll dig it out if I must, but it's odd that you have selective memory in this manner.

 

I still don't get how Nae being the target on Night 1 rules Kwom out for using his power on Aemon or Red. Why did you use yours on Red? Are we supposed to rule you out by this logic as well?

[Quibby]

Okay, my bad. Been a stressful week, and I'm obviously not quite level yet. I'll come back to this tomorrow.

[killuliu]

killi, I'm a she...never heard of a Talya as a he

 

so you think I'm scum, put your money where you mouth is and vote me then killi, I won't mind at all. Or maybe you just aren't going to do that because you are waiting someone else to do it so that you won't look like you began a lynch on an innocent! And as for both of you saying you were on the amadine lynch doesn't really mean much, Amadine was on her fellow Blackhoof's lynch and maybe more than that there...

 

Sorry, I've always been bad with these :)

 

I don't really believe you are scum, I believe you could be or someone else in the mason team could be, so I won't buy the "masons are town for sure, just because they say so" -claim. So I'm not suspecting you as a person much at all in this game, but just the whole mason team :)

 

I know that, and I also know that there isn't really a way to prove one's alignment but by being seen by seer.

[Talya]

I think now that I have no reason to doubt my team members, things have been confirmed that the light , whether of the sun or some great being, is where we all like to walk and stay walking in. If you get my drift and I do not doubt the being that told us!!!!

 

 

 

 

[Quibby]

I just don't see any purpose in the action as scum. It would cause chaos, yes, but there are too many variables at play that the scum had no control over. For instance, it only caused chaos because Song1.0 watched Red that night, something that the scum could not have predicted. Also, there were, as far as I know, two of us that targeted Red, if I'm interpreting the messages he received correctly: Lanfear the neighbor, and me. Lanfear's message of, "He is not what he seems," does not work as well going to Aemon as it would going to Red. I assume that the "he" in the message is Aemon himself.

 

As town, I can conceivably see it as Kwom trying to protect Red by deflecting a potential mafia kill off to an unknown or untrusted factor (i.e., Aemon).

 

By the way, Talya, have a dream ter'angreal.

[Myndrunner]

I hate to say this, but Quibby isn't acting like a scum trying to deflect. He is essentially defending Kwom, who if turns out to be innocent, makes Quibby look good. I would argue that this is a gambit for Quibby to look town; however, at this point in the game, the mafia need to cast as much doubt as possible because we have essentially narrowed down the list to a handful of suspects.

 

I'm still waiting on Kwom to say something, ANYTHING, about who he targeted last night.....but I think I already know who we need to lynch.

 

I was able to walk through and visit the snakes again and this time they said its a female and her name begins with N.

[DrewRiley]

I hate to say this, but Quibby isn't acting like a scum trying to deflect. He is essentially defending Kwom, who if turns out to be innocent, makes Quibby look good. I would argue that this is a gambit for Quibby to look town; however, at this point in the game, the mafia need to cast as much doubt as possible because we have essentially narrowed down the list to a handful of suspects.

 

I'm still waiting on Kwom to say something, ANYTHING, about who he targeted last night.....but I think I already know who we need to lynch.

 

I was able to walk through and visit the snakes again and this time they said its a female and her name begins with N.

 

IF this isn't bunk, do you know if the "N" is referring to a player's name or their role's name? If it's the first, I know who I'm picking.

[Nynaeve]

Then that leaves Naeann and myself.

 

I was going to cast my vote on Kwom based on his mentions by Aust and his lack of replies to people.... but since I do *think* Mynd is town and the A tip did end up paying off, then that makes this tip valid in my eyes. And that marks Naeann scum, because I know I'm not.

 

Usually I would wait to cast my vote to hear what she has to say but seeing as this time the list of possibilities is so narrow, I feel confident in voting for Naeann

 

I know some of you might interpret this vote as me trying to save my ass, but really if this tip is for real then I know for a FACT that Naeann is scum. I understand that you won't know this to be 100% true till today's lynch results. So I guess you'll have to form your own opinion and take the plunge, just as I decided to believe Mynd's tip.

 

 

 

Nyn

[Myndrunner]

I hate to say this, but Quibby isn't acting like a scum trying to deflect. He is essentially defending Kwom, who if turns out to be innocent, makes Quibby look good. I would argue that this is a gambit for Quibby to look town; however, at this point in the game, the mafia need to cast as much doubt as possible because we have essentially narrowed down the list to a handful of suspects.

 

I'm still waiting on Kwom to say something, ANYTHING, about who he targeted last night.....but I think I already know who we need to lynch.

 

I was able to walk through and visit the snakes again and this time they said its a female and her name begins with N.

 

IF this isn't bunk, do you know if the "N" is referring to a player's name or their role's name? If it's the first, I know who I'm picking.

 

Name ;)

[Myndrunner]

This does NOT excuse Kwom from posting. I would like to hear from him on who he targeted; however, we have a sure lynch today. It will be interesting to see who votes for who. Naeann or Nyn? Are the mafia going to sacrifice one of their own...again...to look innocent? This close to endgame?!

 

Let's wait and see who votes for who!

[mcs0083]

I totally think that its you Nyn. You immediately voted for the other N, and that seems a bit hasty to me. Yeah, Mynd's tip might be real, but we don't know. and if it is YOU could very well be the one. I mean, you didn't even chew on it a bit to get the taste of it. You just went straight for it. Im sorry dear, but that is quite scummy in my opinion.

[killuliu]

Ok, so Kwom was online last Today, 06:05 AM (12 hours ago) and I'm quite positive he has read this thread (if he hasn't shame on him!) since this day began. So he should have already told us what he did last night. So I cast a FOS on him :)

But of the Ns, I think Nyn has been a slightly more fishy, but then again, Naenn has been pretty much inactive. And if it is true what Mynd said, that when Naenn has a nice role, she is very active, then my gut feeling would point me towards Nyn. But I think neither would have been my top votes without Mynd.

[Nynaeve]

I totally think that its you Nyn. You immediately voted for the other N, and that seems a bit hasty to me. Yeah, Mynd's tip might be real, but we don't know. and if it is YOU could very well be the one. I mean, you didn't even chew on it a bit to get the taste of it. You just went straight for it. Im sorry dear, but that is quite scummy in my opinion.

 

I was very consistent in my support of Mynd being Town throughout the game. And what's hasty about my vote? If someone told you that either you or another person are definitely scum... wouldn't you be sure which is the scum, or do you have something to share with us, MCS?

 

Besides, if I was scum it would be for my best interest to turn on Mynd, call his bluff and try to take myself out of a situation where I'm one of the two people being looked at. But I do really think Mynd is town and I do want the town to win this game, which is why despite the fact that this puts me in not the funnest situation, I do want us to bag scum today.

 

 

 

Nyn

[Verbal32]

Verbs, tell me, because I've thought hard about this: if I were scum, why would I make a Miller reveal? Before I did it I thought, could this incriminate me in any way? And I couldn't imagine how it would have, but maybe you and Mynd are seeing something I'm not.

 

Because it's a WIFOM trap. Basically, you say "I'm a miller, so I'm revealing as one to help the town". But what if the real answer is "I'm scum, but I'll reveal as a miller to give the appearance of me being a helpful townie." See? And your post here that asks why would you do that as scum just seals the deal. It's a WIFOM trap. Hence why I said a "genius" move. ;-)

 

 

 

Actually Mynd, That last time didn't look like he was flying off the handle. I could actually see where he was coming from. But he seemed okay with it afterwards.

 

Verb I agree it could a great Mafia move, but I'm erring on town for the moment.

 

Also Verb, is that the first thing you think of when thinking of a group from Randland considering the different races and stuff there...*shakes her head*

 

Well, uhh...yeah. I like the bad guys - what can I say? hehe

 

 

 

I find it highly weird that Aemon was killed. His results were causing chaos. Also he had some suspicion on him. weird.

 

I still think we should go for Kwom. I'm also not sure about this mason stuff. I think we should test it. It could be a cult of some kind. It just seemed weird that they were like oh and by the way this person is too but we forgot to tell you guys.

 

I agree with this post 100%.....it was an odd choice to NK Aemon.

 

 

 

Actually in all games I have been on a mason team, I have been questioned ruthlessly and a couple times ons of us have been lynched to prove one or the other innocent. Also wouldn't put it passed Wombat to also have one of the masons be a mafioso. Just because you claim to be on a mason team Talya, doesn't mean we should automatically believe you guys. That's foolish to the extreme. If that makes me suspicious in your eyes, then so be it. I pushed for Amadines lynch when Aemon first announced the A thing and no one listened to me. And I voted her on her lynch.

 

Mynd, right? Or am I misinterpreting something? :-/

 

 

 

Hey everyone. I'm still alive. So who is it that is left? I don't want to make any sort of assessment until I know the facts.

 

Hey lazy man, go read back and make your own assessment. Don't rely on others, because you have no idea what their intentions are and they can slant things to their liking. Even simple facts can be messed around to create falsehoods. Just look at Mynd - the dude does it all the time!

 

 

 

I totally think that its you Nyn. You immediately voted for the other N, and that seems a bit hasty to me. Yeah, Mynd's tip might be real, but we don't know. and if it is YOU could very well be the one. I mean, you didn't even chew on it a bit to get the taste of it. You just went straight for it. Im sorry dear, but that is quite scummy in my opinion.

 

This is a very suspicious post. Look at it from Nyn's POV. If she's town, and she believes that Mynd tip is correct (based on Amadine), then Nae is obviously mafia as the only other "N" player. This seemed obvious to me, and makes me wonder if you're purposely missing that in order to deflect off Nae and get the lynch on Nyn.

[Talya]

I agree with Verbal last bit, in fact I would say that either one would come straight out and accuse the other. If not they would then look suspicious. and Nyn is the more active (by quite a bit) so was first here.

I wouldn't go on the fact that when Nae has a good role she plays more, because you just never know. On the first day she didn't seem that active and she was a serial killer!

 

however I would like to wait before I jump in!

[DrewRiley]

I was initially going to say Nyn because she had pinged me earlier, but she acquitted herself pretty well. She's right that if she were scum, discrediting Mynd would have been the way to go. Because as it is, if we lynch Nae and she flips innocent, I'm definitely going after Nyn. (Then when Nyn flips innocent, going for Mynd!)

 

MCS's last two posts have me almost certain of his scumminess though. If Nae flips scum, MCS is on the top of my list tomorrow.

 

Vote Nae

[Moon Sedai]

This is what I'm thinking. . .we eventually got the right "A" scum, and we got a 50/50 shot with "N"

Nyn is making a defense of herself,but Nae is not even defending.

I am going to Vote Nae.

If Nae is in fact innocent, I think I can do something about Nyn.

 

 

[Myndrunner]

If Nae is in fact innocent, I think I can do something about Nyn. [/color]

 

Let the Lord of Chaos Rule!

 

Vote Nae

[mcs0083]

I totally think that its you Nyn. You immediately voted for the other N, and that seems a bit hasty to me. Yeah, Mynd's tip might be real, but we don't know. and if it is YOU could very well be the one. I mean, you didn't even chew on it a bit to get the taste of it. You just went straight for it. Im sorry dear, but that is quite scummy in my opinion.

 

I was very consistent in my support of Mynd being Town throughout the game. And what's hasty about my vote? If someone told you that either you or another person are definitely scum... wouldn't you be sure which is the scum, or do you have something to share with us, MCS?

 

Besides, if I was scum it would be for my best interest to turn on Mynd, call his bluff and try to take myself out of a situation where I'm one of the two people being looked at. But I do really think Mynd is town and I do want the town to win this game, which is why despite the fact that this puts me in not the funnest situation, I do want us to bag scum today.

 

 

 

Nyn

 

 

 

I totally think that its you Nyn. You immediately voted for the other N, and that seems a bit hasty to me. Yeah, Mynd's tip might be real, but we don't know. and if it is YOU could very well be the one. I mean, you didn't even chew on it a bit to get the taste of it. You just went straight for it. Im sorry dear, but that is quite scummy in my opinion.

 

This is a very suspicious post. Look at it from Nyn's POV. If she's town, and she believes that Mynd tip is correct (based on Amadine), then Nae is obviously mafia as the only other "N" player. This seemed obvious to me, and makes me wonder if you're purposely missing that in order to deflect off Nae and get the lynch on Nyn.

 

 

I was initially going to say Nyn because she had pinged me earlier, but she acquitted herself pretty well. She's right that if she were scum, discrediting Mynd would have been the way to go. Because as it is, if we lynch Nae and she flips innocent, I'm definitely going after Nyn. (Then when Nyn flips innocent, going for Mynd!)

 

MCS's last two posts have me almost certain of his scumminess though. If Nae flips scum, MCS is on the top of my list tomorrow.

 

Vote Nae

 

That's mainly my point everyone! Of course she is going after Nae, because it Is between the two of them, and Nyn has said she believes it. If she was innocent, she would have questioned Mynd's N reading right off. However because she is scum and knows it, She believes Mynd's logic completely!

[Verbal32]

That's mainly my point everyone! Of course she is going after Nae, because it Is between the two of them, and Nyn has said she believes it. If she was innocent, she would have questioned Mynd's N reading right off. However because she is scum and knows it, She believes Mynd's logic completely!

 

Do you remember that Mynd's "A" hint led to Amadine? You know...scum Amadine?

 

So it does lend credence to a "N" player being scum, thereby making Nyn's post a normal reaction.

 

FOS you for not seeing that.