Wheel of Time Mafia Game Thread

aemonkristen · February 19, 2011

Red is never online on weekends. Just wanted to get that out there for our new players. If she doesn't say anything today, we won't hear from her until Monday.

Red2111 · February 19, 2011

wow i'm glad i got on before i went to bed. geeze you guys know idon't normally get on during the weekand and my weekand starts thursday cause Idon’t normally work on Fridays. if this sounds a bit defensive, it is, because a few who have remarked on my silence know this as they've played multiple times with me. *looks at all the people who she's played with that have rushed a vote on her when they expected her not to be able to defend herself* at least when i get lynched, the possible suspects for scum will be narrowed. i'm glad i culd help provide so much info for the rest of the town and the real finder on Day 1.

And yet you still will not tell us why you "KNOW" I am not thetrue Dragon Reborn.

I said this in my reveal. On pain ofMod Kill I cannot reveal this information. I was expressly told this in my Role PM.

@Red-. What questions about my character have I notanswered?

For a 3^rd time. Does you PM tell you anything that would have you believe that you aren’tRand AlThor? We know of 3 othercharacters that could claim Dragon in the series, and I know that you are notthe true Dragon.

You,however, keep dancing around the question of why you believe I am a falsedragon. You then tell everyone to make sure that your alignment doesn't clear me.

I’ve been as honest as I can with the restrictions placed on me. I’ve told you point blank twice now how I knowyou are not the true Dragon.

That sounds like you know you willflip scum and want people to lynch me anyway once you are dead.

To the contrary, I walk in the Light and know my alignment if you succeed ing3etting me killed will flip innocent.

as for the possability of a gambit, i'm not surprised someone hasn't calledthis before. but when i get killed,please don't let my allignement clear him.

Say whaaaat? Are you admitting to being scum Red? I don'tunderstand how your alignment would clear him if not.

I’m doing nothing of the sort. Lannie has claimed me and Aemon are running aGambit and I’m not wanting my innocent alignment to benefit him in any way.

When I flip innocent, Aemon will quickly change his tuneabout being the true Dragon and claim being a False Dragon that was forced toproclaim to receive a power. He willsurely say that we’re two innocent people arguing and that it was just amisunderstanding. And he will lean onthe fact that he has claimed a finder power to dissuade any votes against him(much like he is already doing)

And is Red in fact and indeed a RED?

My favorite color is blue *shows off her pretty blueeyes* brings out their color rathernice, while red clashes with my hair sometimes, so I don’t wear it too often. Its rare that a red head can wear the colorred *nods*

As to the question of my Ajah, I can tell you that I haveone Warder.

Red, do you understand that it is risky for the town to lynch a potentialDR? While you might have your info, you also must understand that wedo not. Therefore, it is the logical play to lynch you and confirmyour info. If you flip town, then we know Aemon is likelyscum. In a game this big, a 1-for-1 trade is AWESOME for the town.

Does this makes sense to you?

It is, that’s why I say I don’t mind becoming a Martyr toget rid of this False Dragon. But youunderstand why I would prefer to stay alive and will continue to fight againstthe shadow until my last dieing breath.

This. Plus Wombat made it clear you couldn't even HINT at who youwere character wise and while its true there are several Aes Sedai even in thefirst book she narrowed it way down with all the talk of the DR.

In my reveal post I said I asked Wombat a lot of questions aboutwhat I could and couldn’t reveal. I havenot hinted at my character, but rather made vague suggestions as to who I thinkmy character is.

If you want to know how I’ve revealed so much withoutactually directly hinting at my character or out right revealing, then I adviseyou to ask Wombat what you can & cannot reveal as well. It’s a tight line to walk, but I’m used tothat by now.

Red you have hinted at being aes sedai, and the impression I got was that youare Moirraine, at least, Moirraine is the best character that fits your postabout finding the true DR and preparing him for the last battle. But you'veonly ever hinted at your role but never really came out with it, which is finebecause the less information the mafia the better, right?

I can only guess as too who my character is, and I can’teven say whether or not I agree with your guess as to who I’ve been vaguely.

But I do have to agree that if Moraine is in this gamethen it makes since for her to have a good idea of who Randis; especially seeing her role in the hunt for the Dragon throughout theseries.

Red2111 · February 19, 2011

also for the sake of majority

UNVOTE

VOTE: DAVID

i'll try to get on during the weekand, but no gaurentees. if i do, it will most likely be more around this time and probably not at all on Sunday. just an FYI for any of you who still think my "silence" is scummy :rolleyes:

Blackhoof · February 19, 2011

Frankly, both Aemon and red look suspicious to me now. Aemon less so, as he has a good defence for his actions. I'm still not sure about him being the Dragon, what with his ability being the rather un-Randish 'finder' (or so he says).

And with red, she keeps hinting at her character. "three oaths" "one warder" "i will keep fighting the shadow until my dying breath = Moiraine quote"

Well.... who else has warders? Who else has 'three oaths' of a sort? who WOULD say that thye will fight the shadow until thier last breath?

The- black -ajah.

And who would want to sow as much contention as possible against a potential Dragon?

The- black -ajah.

Thats right, i think that red is not red at all... but BLACK!

UNVOTE

VOTE RED, the Black Ajah scum!

Alanna · February 19, 2011

Wow that came super close to a reveal.

I picked up an extra shift at work tomorrow, so I may not be able to get on again before the deadline. There were a few different people I was considering voting for, so I just did a skimming reread to see if it would clarify anything for me. I'm going to VOTE RED. Honestly, whoever you are and whatever you know, it still just seems like a super bad idea to try and lynch a revealed finder and possible DR, and her reasoning didn't all add up for me.

But, more than that, if it's true that she has info about Aemon, we can't really know for sure if she's telling the truth about it until we get her coroner's report. And this early on in the game, it's a risk I'm willing to take.

WWWwombat · February 19, 2011

You just crossed the line, Red. You can consider yourself roleless for night one and your item has been confiscated. The first person to PM me with a request for it will receive Red's item.

WWWwombat · February 19, 2011

Red's item has been redistributed. If you did not receive an answer to your PM, it is because you were too late.

Blackhoof · February 19, 2011

Excellent... excellent..... i wonder who got it..... :happy:

aemonkristen · February 19, 2011

@Red- I have stated countless times that my PM told me that I am the Dragon Reborn. It does not say, nor does it imply on any way, that I am a false dragon. I'll let you make the conclusions.

And I like the way you throw out that I will back off of claiming to be the real Dragon once you are dead. Right. Like that's gonna happen. I am the Dragon Reborn. I am not a False Dragon.

David Hermes · February 19, 2011

@Red- I have stated countless times that my PM told me that I am the Dragon Reborn. It does not say, nor does it imply on any way, that I am a false dragon. I'll let you make the conclusions.

And I like the way you throw out that I will back off of claiming to be the real Dragon once you are dead. Right. Like that's gonna happen. I am the Dragon Reborn. I am not a False Dragon.

I just want to say that I like your convidence and conviction aemon. :D

Red2111 · February 19, 2011

you guys shoudl make sure to take a good look at those who are pushing my lynch hard. Alanna, BlackHoof & David are top among these people

Honestly, whoever you are and whatever you know, it still just seems like a super bad idea to try and lynch a revealed finder and possible DR, and her reasoning didn't all add up for me.

But, more than that, if it's true that she has info about Aemon, we can't really know for sure if she's telling the truth about it until we get her coroner's report. And this early on in the game, it's a risk I'm willing to take.

i never said i have info on Aemon, just that i know8snu he's not Rand. i've also said countless times that i don't know who Aemon is; you're twisting my words

2nd what abotu my reasoning doesn't make sense. i have it on good authority that he isn't Rand. he's claiming to be the real Dragon, and the only person is is the real Dragon is Rand.

if i know that he's lieing about his claim as Rand, then why should i believe his claim of Finder.

You just crossed the line, Red. You can consider yourself roleless for night one and your item has been confiscated. The first person to PM me with a request for it will receive Red's item.

i have myself to blame, i'm just glad i wasn't MKd *snuggles the gracious Mod God*

i hope a townie got the item. its a good one, so use it well.

Excellent... excellent..... i wonder who got it.....

yeah, this so isn't a scum tell!!! totally ignores the fact that i just got punished for stepping over the line; has claimed i'm Black Ajah to try and place doubt on the info i've attemtped to give and is actually hoping with glee at the fact that i've not only been nuetered for a night but my item is up for grabs.

your excitement over the item makes me think you have it; and your ignorance of what it means for me to have been punished says that you don't really care how much this might have hurt the town.

@Red- I have stated countless times that my PM told me that I am the Dragon Reborn. It does not say, nor does it imply on any way, that I am a false dragon. I'll let you make the conclusions.

And I like the way you throw out that I will back off of claiming to be the real Dragon once you are dead. Right. Like that's gonna happen. I am the Dragon Reborn. I am not a False Dragon.

yeah, i am saying that; because i think your scum and i can see the benefits of you pulling a stunt like this as scum. so i'm letting people know the possible "reasons" that you might try to pull once i'm finally gone. which i don't really expect to be living through the night if i survive the lynch somehow.

now let me guess. come nigh fall your gonna try and plead the "i was compulsed, i couldn't help it" story. well i'm clalim your future bluff on this as well, because spiting the scum is somethign i love to do when i know i'm going down.

more than liekly there is compulsion in this game and its most certaintly a scum role. however, its one of those roles where youd do best to use it on one of your team mates first then start attacking townies with it. that way, you can help clear a team mate.

Blackhoof · February 19, 2011

Excellent... excellent..... i wonder who got it.....

yeah, this so isn't a scum tell!!! totally ignores the fact that i just got punished for stepping over the line; has claimed i'm Black Ajah to try and place doubt on the info i've attemtped to give and is actually hoping with glee at the fact that i've not only been nuetered for a night but my item is up for grabs.

your excitement over the item makes me think you have it; and your ignorance of what it means for me to have been punished says that you don't really care how much this might have hurt the town.

Well, i am happy! You played a dangerous game; strongly hinting at being Moiraine so that people would believe you are town. Fortunately, you lost, losing some evil-mafia-item and your power in the bargain. How do you like that, scum?

I didnt get the item, i have no idea who did. Hopefully they will be able to use that item to determine your REAL identity, and even if he/she isn't allowed to divulge that information, he/she will know, at least.

This didn't hurt the town much at all, really. The only problem is that if your mafia buddies got the item, then they can gift it back to you. Either way, you are, as you so charmingly put it, neudered for a night.

and please, i wasn't excited. two excellents and a happy-smiley isnt excitement.

YYYEEEEAAAAHHH! :biggrin: THIS IS EXCIEMENT! BOOO YEEEEAAAAH! YEEEHAAAAWWW!

Aust · February 19, 2011

Excellent... excellent..... i wonder who got it.....

yeah, this so isn't a scum tell!!! totally ignores the fact that i just got punished for stepping over the line; has claimed i'm Black Ajah to try and place doubt on the info i've attemtped to give and is actually hoping with glee at the fact that i've not only been nuetered for a night but my item is up for grabs.

your excitement over the item makes me think you have it; and your ignorance of what it means for me to have been punished says that you don't really care how much this might have hurt the town.

Well, i am happy! You played a dangerous game; strongly hinting at being Moiraine so that people would believe you are town. Fortunately, you lost, losing some evil-mafia-item and your power in the bargain. How do you like that, scum?

I didnt get the item, i have no idea who did. Hopefully they will be able to use that item to determine your REAL identity, and even if he/she isn't allowed to divulge that information, he/she will know, at least.

This didn't hurt the town much at all, really. The only problem is that if your mafia buddies got the item, then they can gift it back to you. Either way, you are, as you so charmingly put it, neudered for a night.

and please, i wasn't excited. two excellents and a happy-smiley isnt excitement.

YYYEEEEAAAAHHH! THIS IS EXCIEMENT! BOOO YEEEEAAAAH! YEEEHAAAAWWW!

Blackhoof you're sounding a bit fanatical, and it diminishes your credibility.

Anyhow, as for Red, I'm not sure if her being punished by the mod lends credence to her claim or not. I agree that lynching Red would give us info, but if her claim is true we'd probably lose her warder as well. For right now I'm leaving my vote where it is but if we end up needing a majority then I'll reconsider.

Deadline is tonight and we've got a lot of people who have done little more than check in - I hope we're able to get a majority.

Locke · February 19, 2011

Sorry guys, had an internet failure yesterday and couldn't get on.

Anyways, my vote stand. AKA, I believe Red. Although Blackhoof is pinging. (again?)

aemonkristen · February 19, 2011

I'm going to be very disappointed if this goes to a no lynch because of inactive players.

Alanna · February 19, 2011

i never said i have info on Aemon, just that i know8snu he's not Rand. i've also said countless times that i don't know who Aemon is; you're twisting my words

Red, I'm beginning to notice that you love to accuse people of 'twisting you words,' when all that's happened here is that you've misunderstood my words. For one thing, knowing for sure that Aemon is not Rand is what I would call 'info on Aemon.' If you know he is not Rand, then you have information about him that we don't. See how that translates? You don't have to know exactly who he is to 'have information on him.' My point is, you're claiming knowledge about Aemon (that he is not the DR). If you flip innocent, then we know that you must have been telling the truth about him.

We could simply lynch Aemon, sure, to see if he is really the DR, but that's a much bigger risk than lynching you, because if you're lying and he's not, we're in a lot of trouble. That's why I'm voting for you. Also because, at this point, switching my vote to someone else will likely do more harm than good. Is this pushing your lynch? Well, sure, I guess it is, because the deadline is looming and I'd really prefer we don't have a random MK.

Anyhow, I have to leave for work now, so this could be my last time on here before the deadline. I'm also going to be kind of annoyed if more people don't start voting.

Red2111 · February 19, 2011

at this point, we need a majority. if it turns out that i'm in the vote lead, i'll move my vote to myself. a controlled lynch is better than a random.

Well, i am happy! You played a dangerous game; strongly hinting at being Moiraine so that people would believe you are town. Fortunately, you lost, losing some evil-mafia-item and your power in the bargain. How do you like that, scum?

I didnt get the item, i have no idea who did. Hopefully they will be able to use that item to determine your REAL identity, and even if he/she isn't allowed to divulge that information, he/she will know, at least.

This didn't hurt the town much at all, really. The only problem is that if your mafia buddies got the item, then they can gift it back to you. Either way, you are, as you so charmingly put it, neudered for a night.

and please, i wasn't excited. two excellents and a happy-smiley isnt excitement.

YYYEEEEAAAAHHH! THIS IS EXCIEMENT! BOOO YEEEEAAAAH! YEEEHAAAAWWW!

wow really? don't be surprised when your the next to go after Aemon BlackHoof. talking about sounding scummy over this. go ahead, keep on digging that grave for yourself buddy. i can tell you from experience, its not pleasant to have to try and struggle out of it.

everyone do yourselves a favor. go back and read the rules, then go back and read the post before i got punished. then think to yourself "hmmm, i wonder what rule she might have bended, or what she might have said to get her punished"

because if you do that, you will get alot more info from my words, and should be able to find a few scum. once you guys get Aemons alignment & character, you'll be able to shift out alot more scummy looking people. i'd advice the rest of you townies to go ahead and take notes on how each player reacted to this situaiton; how quickly they voted & their reasons for voting/unvoting/not voting either myself or Aemon. who defended Aemon, who semi defended me; who tried to detract from the situtaion by trying to ush the focus else where.

these words might mean nothing right now, but once i'm gone please do this to give yourselves a fighting chance. don't let the info i've gained you guys go to waste.

trench · February 19, 2011

This rhyming has me in shackles

Its starting to raise my hackles

3 people are in position to be lynched

A possible Dragon,

Red has lead a charge to hang him and steped out of bounds

or you can jump on David's bandwagon

Aemon and Red have both shown reasons to be voted against

David has not given any defense as to why he should not be lynched

8 hours to deadline and we must find concensus

None of the charges against are baseless

Only 1 has not defended themselves

So my vote remains until he defends himself

I am here for the duration

I will change my vote to reach a majority

Because I feel it maybe time to be hasty

Red2111 · February 19, 2011

Red, I'm beginning to notice that you love to accuse people of 'twisting you words,' when all that's happened here is that you've misunderstood my words. For one thing, knowing for sure that Aemon is not Rand is what I would call 'info on Aemon.' If you know he is not Rand, then you have information about him that we don't. See how that translates? You don't have to know exactly who he is to 'have information on him.' My point is, you're claiming knowledge about Aemon (that he is not the DR). If you flip innocent, then we know that you must have been telling the truth about him.

but see you miss my point. i call it twisting my words because it wasn't told in my PM "Aemon isn't the Dragon Reborn" there for it isn't direct information about Aemon that i have. you saying "you must have info on Aemon that no one else has" is misleading because then it makes people think that i may know his alignment or character which i dont! and therefor makes them think i'm leaving stuff out on purpose, which i'm not; and discredits everything i've said.

if anyone but Rand had claimed Dragon, i'd be pushing for their lynch just as hard. you;ll notice this entire time i've said repeatedly "I don't know what you are Aemon, but I know your not Rand AlThor and therefor cannot be the true dragon"

We could simply lynch Aemon, sure, to see if he is really the DR, but that's a much bigger risk than lynching you, because if you're lying and he's not, we're in a lot of trouble.

how are we in alot of trouble?? as far as i know, there isn't a win condition attached to the Dragons Head so it isn't like it wold end the game.

this is like lynching the finder to see if a scums claim of Healer is false *rolls eyes*

heres something i find interesting you guys. why is it that you people are buying a claim of Dragon & Finder Hook, Line & Sinker; yet the only person to come against his claim, you scream witch faster than a white cloak in Tar Valon? shouldn't it really be the other way around considering the facts? what woudl i gain, as scum, to out myself like this by going against a Dragon. it makes no sense as a Gambit, becuase Aemons claim was being bought. and it makes no sense if Aemon's innocent, because i wouldn't survive his lynch long after.

That's why I'm voting for you. Also because, at this point, switching my vote to someone else will likely do more harm than good. Is this pushing your lynch? Well, sure, I guess it is, because the deadline is looming and I'd really prefer we don't have a random MK.

yeah now you switch your reasoning for voting for me. down to the whole "i don't believe either of you, bu lynching you gives the best info and we need a controlled lynch" when before it was, and i quote

"Honestly, whoever you are and whatever you know, it still just seems like a super bad idea to try and lynch a revealed finder and possible DR, and her reasoning didn't all add up for me.

But, more than that, if it's true that she has info about Aemon, we can't really know for sure if she's telling the truth about it until we get her coroner's report. And this early on in the game, it's a risk I'm willing to take."

remember how Alanna slightly changed her reasoning for continuing to vote me to sound more protown, from the out right "i believe Aemon and not you Red, and claiming that my reasons for wanting to vote him are bad

hotpocket2006 · February 19, 2011

I have been following very closely and I'm torn on which way to go. I believe Red and I think it would be a bad thing to lose her and Like someone said we may lose her warder then in the process. But Aemon is a claimed finder and I don't believe lynching claimed power roles. We could als lynch David, but he's a newb and I don't like lynching newbs on day 1. Blackhoof right now is looking super scummy and I would be willing to lynch him but I don't think we could get that many votes. No one should be happy that Red did what she did and got punished.

Anyway a red or aemon lynch will get us the most information and honestly I think lynching aemon would give us the most information. Red claims that Aemon isn't the true dragon reborn and if she is who she hinted at she would know. We could then find out more about this dragon stuff. I'll withhold my vote now, but I'd prefer an aemon lynch, but I guess I will vote Red if that's the consensus. Keep in mind also that I have two votes.

Adella · February 19, 2011

Okay, I'm breaking my rule because I no longer have access to a computer before the deadline, so please bear with me as I try to make sense.

Right now I see no reason not to believe Red, as she has hinted so heavily at being moraine that she was punished by the mod. That gives her some weight in my opinion, and I see now reason why Moraine wouldn't know who the real dragon is. Has anyone thought that the reason why Aemon had to claim before day 4 was because the real dragon might not be allowed to claim until day 4? That is right away what I thought when I saw the time restriction. However, that doesn't say anything about his innocence, I could easily see him being logain or taim.

So, of the three lynch candidates, that leaves David. I could fully get behind a lynch on him, he has been twisting a lot off things that I would love to be able to quote right now and will do so at my soonest convenience. He has been using really weak reasoning to try and get Red lynched, and honestly I am much more willing to lynch him than two people who have possible useful role claims. We can work on Red and Aemon more imo.

I am going to post this and then go to the full version and post my vote. Bear with me for a couple of minutes.

trench · February 19, 2011

I agree with Song on her point about Black

His actions may seem scummy

but they dont scream scummy

So I would ask him to explain why

all the joy when Red lost her item?

and to song I ask her why she is certain of Red's innocence?

To much absence is a nuisance

So I hope to hear from others as well

Adella · February 19, 2011

*sigh* it won't let me bold my text or change the color. Could someone post the codes with a space or removed bracket so I can copy them so I can't vote before the deadline. Please :)

P.S. Song, David is not a noob. He just hasn't been around in a while. Don't give him noob excuse.

David Hermes · February 19, 2011

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