Rand and Galad

[Rania]

Is anyone other than Rand aware of the fact that Galad is his half-brother? I know that Egwene, Mat, Lan and Moiraine all heard the story of Rand's birth parents, but did they make the connection that Shaiel is Tigraine? I have been trying to remember, but I dont think that anyone other than Rand knows this. And since one of the scenes I have been waiting for is Galad finding out, I am terrified that if only Rand knows, than he will never tell and Rand will never figure it out.

[buckeyebull64]

Right at this moment (Moiraine being quasi-dead), Rand is the only one. Only the Aeil know the Shaiel story, and they do not care to listen to history of Andor to make the connection.

 

However, Moiraine likely figured it out once she heard the story with Rand. She's pretty sharp, and it was her house involved after all.

[Jblaylock]

Many of the Aiel know at least who Rand's mother is, though they don't know Gallad.

In Lord of Chaos, in the first chapter (I think), it mentioned that when a maiden has a kid, it is given to someone else in such a way that only the new parents know the child is not actualy not theirs biologicaly, so the maiden (bio mom) doesn't know what kid is theirs. But, in Rand's case, this was different, and that's why they felt like he represented all of those "lost children" (in a sense, since they were lost to their real mothers) coming home.

[Jblaylock]

The big question for me is, does the spark or "channeling gene" pass from parent to child? And if so, is there a chance Gallad might learn to channel, or that he at least has the ability (assuming the first part of my question is answered with a "yes").

[David Selig]

Moiraine has probably seen Tigraine or at least a portrait of her, after all her half-brother Taringail married her. It's noted several times that Rand resembles closely his mother.

 

Moiraine also knew that Gitara Moroso, which was mentioned as the reason Shaiel came to the Waste, was an advisor of the Royal family of Andor at the time when Tigraine was the Daughter-heir. So there's a very good chance she figured out Shaiel was Tigraine.

[capuga]

Many of the Aiel know at least who Rand's mother is, though they don't know Gallad.

In Lord of Chaos, in the first chapter (I think), it mentioned that when a maiden has a kid, it is given to someone else in such a way that only the new parents know the child is not actualy not theirs biologicaly, so the maiden (bio mom) doesn't know what kid is theirs. But, in Rand's case, this was different, and that's why they felt like he represented all of those "lost children" (in a sense, since they were lost to their real mothers) coming home.

 

The Aiel only knew her as a woman that showed up in the Waste asking to become a Maiden and talking about leaving a child she loved and a husband she didn't. They had no idea that she was the Daughter-Heir Tigraine.

[Jblaylock]

Isn't Slayer/Luc/whatever also related somehow?

[Xcom78]

TSR,Ch34 - Amys tells Rand that Shaiel was ordered to go to the Aiel Waste by Gitara Moroso.

 

Considering Amys and the other wise ones know who Shaiel is now and the name of the Aes Sedai who sent her its safe to assume some of them know exactly who Galad is. However I would not it common knowledge by any means. Even among the wise ones.

[capuga]

Isn't Slayer/Luc/whatever also related somehow?

 

The Luc portion of Slayer is Tigraine's brother and thus uncle to Rand and Galad.

[Jblaylock]

Isn't Slayer/Luc/whatever also related somehow?

 

The Luc portion of Slayer is Tigraine's brother and thus uncle to Rand and Galad.

 

 

Ah, thanks.

 

And how does Gandalf figure into all of this?

[capuga]

Isn't Slayer/Luc/whatever also related somehow?

 

The Luc portion of Slayer is Tigraine's brother and thus uncle to Rand and Galad.

 

 

Ah, thanks.

 

And how does Gandalf figure into all of this?

 

He's the voice in Rand's head pretending to be Lews Therin.

[blazetheearth]

I think someone else knew, but I don't think I can say it here since this is a spoiler free board, and I don't think that the hint I refers to appears until ToM. I can say if anyone PM's me with this topic as subject, I will be happy to respond with my guess.

[mb]

The big question for me is, does the spark or "channeling gene" pass from parent to child? And if so, is there a chance Gallad might learn to channel, or that he at least has the ability (assuming the first part of my question is answered with a "yes").

The ability to channel is genetic; the guide tells so.

If the child receives the gene from both parents, the child would be a sparker. If from just 1 parent, the child would be a learner. If from neither parent, the child would be like everybody else. These are just guessing; not entirely certain.

 

And how does Gandalf figure into all of this?

Gandalf is a Lord of the Rings character; Tolkien wrote that series.

Several of this series might be Wheel of Time's equivalent. Moiraine (magic), Thom (performing)

[David Selig]

BTW, I don't get why Egwene didn't tell Elayne and Nynaeve the info about Rand's real parents. One of those typical WoT examples of keeping secrets for no reason.

 

If she had done it, Elayne would've realised Rand is Tigraine's son long ago, since she noted how much he looks like the portraits she's seen of Tigraine, and she also must know about Gitara Moroso's stint as an advisor of the Andoran Royal family and the rumors linking her with Tigraine's disappearance.

 

It would've been fun to see her reaction of learning that the man she loves is half-brother to Galad, who she dislikes quite a bit. ;)

[mb]

Dyelin might have mentioned to Elayne his resemblance to Tigraine.

 

Egwene I take listened for herself. Egwene might tell Elayne if it was something Elayne wanted to know and told Egwene so; or if Elayne asks afterward.

[moratcorlm]

Luc certainly knows, and by extension Moridin very likely does also, and possibly some of the other Forsaken.

[waffle]

BTW, I don't get why Egwene didn't tell Elayne and Nynaeve the info about Rand's real parents.

 

Because it´s none of their damn business?

[David Selig]

I have to correct myself - I checked the books and Egwene actually told Elayne, although not the whole story. It's so briefly mentioned it's easy to miss.

 

TSR, Chapter 35

 

She made it a full report. The Portal Stones, and Rhuidean — as much as she knew from what she had heard; what she had managed to infer from talk of seeing through ancestors’ eyes — the strange creature from the Dragon banner marked on Rand’s forearms, Bair’s revelation that he was the Aiel’s doom, the summons of the clan chiefs to Alcair Dal. Amys and the other Wise Ones should be doing that even now; she fervently hoped they were. She even told the strange story of Rand’s true parents, in a shorter form.

 

I'd have thought this would've merited more of a discussion instead of one sentence brief mention which didn't reveal what Egwene cut from the story to make it shorter. I guess Jordan intended it to be a surprise revelation later and it will probably play some role in the last book.

 

Because it´s none of their damn business?

Neither Rand or the Wise Ones asked her to keep it a secret, and both Nynaeve and Elayne care very much for Rand, so I don't see why not to tell. And he's the Dragon Reborn after all, any info about him is important.

[moratcorlm]

I always took that to mean that she'd told the essentials but left out Gitara Moroso's name, which Elayne could quite possibly use to identify Shaiel as Tigraine.

[Haran]

I always took that to mean that she'd told the essentials but left out Gitara Moroso's name, which Elayne could quite possibly use to identify Shaiel as Tigraine.

 

But at that point even Rand didn't know that Shaiel was Tigraine. That was only something he realized later when he met Dyelin. There is no reason why Eggy would stress that Shaiel was previously married etc. To the aiel Shaiel was a wetlander woman who became a maiden, not much else

 

Moraine knows though. Luc too probably and thus Moridin.

[Kaznen]

 

Because it´s none of their damn business?

Neither Rand or the Wise Ones asked her to keep it a secret, and both Nynaeve and Elayne care very much for Rand, so I don't see why not to tell. And he's the Dragon Reborn after all, any info about him is important.

The WO said it was his story if he wants to hear it. But they wouldn't have told the story to anyone else except Rand. The others just happened to be there to listen.

 

I don't think it was cool to blab about Rand's parents like she did, however. She seems to think she is entitled to a lot of things about Rand, like how she is offended that Rand wards his dreams and she decided she was going to unlock the wards so she can look in on his dreams.

[waffle]

Because it´s none of their damn business?

Neither Rand or the Wise Ones asked her to keep it a secret, and both Nynaeve and Elayne care very much for Rand, so I don't see why not to tell. And he's the Dragon Reborn after all, any info about him is important.

 

It´s still none of their damn business until Rand decides to share it.

 

Only person who might need to know is Galad. Because, you know, she was his mom too.

 

Everybody else can keep their nose out of Rands business.

[BareUpperLip79]

Moraine knows though. Luc too probably and thus Moridin.

 

Not probably.. Luc definitely knows that Rand is his nephew.

He thinks to himself in Winter's Heart how nice it would have been to kill his nephew.

[Lessa Nikia]

Luc could have also been refering to Galad, cause he is his nephew too.

[moratcorlm]

Luc could have also been refering to Galad, cause he is his nephew too.

He could have been, but he wasn't.

It really was a pity. He had rather looked forward to killing his nephew and the wench.

This was in Far Madding, where Rand and Min were staying at the time; their party had changed inns earlier that day after Rochaid's ambush, and so Luc killed the next people to rent their room in The Crown of Maredo. Galad was still in Amadicia then, and certainly would have no wench with him.