Discuss Logain

[rambling]

You heard it here first. I think Logain is with Myrelle. I think he was in her tent when Nynaeve came to take Lan's bond.

 

There was no indication but I'm going with my gut!

 

I think Gabrelle might have something to say about that!

But, hey, we're all broad minded here...

[donk]

Min has viewed numerous times that Logain carries an aura of a golden halo over his head indicating that he will one day attain great glory. Also, Egwene once had a dream in which Logain steps over Rand's corpse, sits on a throne and laughs maniacally, while Rand's corpse collapses into leaves.

 

To me this clearly indicates that he will at some point take over for Rand as the leader of the Black Tower. Rand is only the nominal leader now, which means he has to get though Taim somehow. I can't really see him becoming the new M'heal by letting Rand fight his battles either, which is why I believe Taim isn’t one of the forsaken, but rather a male Alviarin or some such, someone Logain can at least overcome without Rand.

 

 

Bearing in mind egwene's viewing could Logain be a DF? Could he be Damodred. I have always thought he was a plant for the darklord?

[WhiskyJack]

Min has viewed numerous times that Logain carries an aura of a golden halo over his head indicating that he will one day attain great glory. Also, Egwene once had a dream in which Logain steps over Rand's corpse, sits on a throne and laughs maniacally, while Rand's corpse collapses into leaves.

 

To me this clearly indicates that he will at some point take over for Rand as the leader of the Black Tower. Rand is only the nominal leader now, which means he has to get though Taim somehow. I can't really see him becoming the new M'heal by letting Rand fight his battles either, which is why I believe Taim isn’t one of the forsaken, but rather a male Alviarin or some such, someone Logain can at least overcome without Rand.

 

 

Bearing in mind egwene's viewing could Logain be a DF? Could he be Damodred. I have always thought he was a plant for the darklord?

 

No.

[ImNoBloodyHero]

It is entirely possible that Logain's *glory to come* will actually be off-camera in the post-TG world. Just like Tuon has to go and restore order in Seanchan and will likely take Mat with her, there will be a world post TG with a need for heroes. Min's vision could easily be a throwaway reference incase RJ needed a plot for the proposed outrider novels.

[johthohar]

Min has viewed numerous times that Logain carries an aura of a golden halo over his head indicating that he will one day attain great glory. Also, Egwene once had a dream in which Logain steps over Rand's corpse, sits on a throne and laughs maniacally, while Rand's corpse collapses into leaves.

 

To me this clearly indicates that he will at some point take over for Rand as the leader of the Black Tower. Rand is only the nominal leader now, which means he has to get though Taim somehow. I can't really see him becoming the new M'heal by letting Rand fight his battles either, which is why I believe Taim isn’t one of the forsaken, but rather a male Alviarin or some such, someone Logain can at least overcome without Rand.

 

 

Bearing in mind egwene's viewing could Logain be a DF? Could he be Damodred. I have always thought he was a plant for the darklord?

 

No.

 

Seconded.

[Tom Sawyer]

It is entirely possible that Logain's *glory to come* will actually be off-camera in the post-TG world. Just like Tuon has to go and restore order in Seanchan and will likely take Mat with her, there will be a world post TG with a need for heroes. Min's vision could easily be a throwaway reference incase RJ needed a plot for the proposed outrider novels.

 

But from a plot perspective, that would be a real letdown. We've been told since book four that he's got all this power and glory coming to him while he then does nothing but wander in for a couple of pages every few books and doesn't really do all that much before not being mentioned again for a while. He's like the good guy's Demandred. If the series goes and ends with him still not having done anything to earn it, it would be kind of lame.

 

I don't think his plotline is going to end up being lame, so I think he'll have a decent role in the next book and do something to earn it and end up on top.

[Elan Tedronai]

this man has disappeared from the face of the earth. seems like Sanderson does not hold logain in high esteem compared tpo jordan. Which is a shame coz logain is pretty awesome.

 

sanderson seems to think 4 pages of morgase and tea pouring is more important than Logain

 

 

Ahem ..So how many pages or POV were devoted to Logain when RJ was writing the series? High esteem you say...

 

try reading the books mate. Logain's l;ast appearance was in KOD. After 2 books by sanderson he is still missing

[WhiskyJack]

this man has disappeared from the face of the earth. seems like Sanderson does not hold logain in high esteem compared tpo jordan. Which is a shame coz logain is pretty awesome.

 

sanderson seems to think 4 pages of morgase and tea pouring is more important than Logain

 

 

Ahem ..So how many pages or POV were devoted to Logain when RJ was writing the series? High esteem you say...

 

try reading the books mate. Logain's l;ast appearance was in KOD. After 2 books by sanderson he is still missing

 

 

I have read the books and your previous posts. Nothing but whining...You do know that Sanderson is writing Jordan's story if not the way Jordan wanted it to be written? Do you care to give me one Logain's POV in 12 books written by Jordan? I bet if I count the number of pages Logain has appeared, it will be only few dozens out 12 books (with 600-700 pages in each).

[Duskfire]

this man has disappeared from the face of the earth. seems like Sanderson does not hold logain in high esteem compared tpo jordan. Which is a shame coz logain is pretty awesome.

 

sanderson seems to think 4 pages of morgase and tea pouring is more important than Logain

 

 

Ahem ..So how many pages or POV were devoted to Logain when RJ was writing the series? High esteem you say...

 

try reading the books mate. Logain's l;ast appearance was in KOD. After 2 books by sanderson he is still missing

 

The only book Logain features alot in is LoC; prior to that he was in only a handful of chapters. He wasn't in ACoS at all, was only briefly in Book 8, 9 and 10, and featured a little in book 11. He has had about similar page time to Bayle Domon (less actually.) So you cant really make claims that RJ was writing him in the series alot, because thats simply not true. And us not knowing where he is is pure RJ. I suppose Fain is barely in it now too because Sanderson thinks he is creepy and too ferret-like.

[Elan Tedronai]

fact is logain has been missing for 2 whole books while rubbish characters with useless input to the story take pages after pages. Sanderson it seems has different priorties.

[Rongomai]

Perhaps he was another recipient of the letters Verin was passing out... perhaps and I am grasping at straws here, with the continuing scene of the battle at Tarwins Gap we will see Logain and those with him gate in with a massive army that he has been recruiting during the time off screen... therefore obtaining his Glory ...*sigh* look I don't know ..see grasping at straws

[dwn]

Perhaps he was another recipient of the letters Verin was passing out... perhaps and I am grasping at straws here, with the continuing scene of the battle at Tarwins Gap we will see Logain and those with him gate in with a massive army that he has been recruiting during the time off screen... therefore obtaining his Glory ...*sigh* look I don't know ..see grasping at straws

 

I don't think Logain will be the one to rescue Lan, but he could definitely be a recipient of one of Verin's letters. While there's no direct evidence for it, the letters have generally been about shoring up the Light's defenses across a broad spectrum of power bases. The Black Tower could easily be one of those. And Verin surely knew of Logain's reputation among the Asha'man.

 

-- dwn

[Corvinus]

You heard it here first. I think Logain is with Myrelle. I think he was in her tent when Nynaeve came to take Lan's bond.

 

There was no indication but I'm going with my gut!

 

I don't think so. Myrelle was fooling around with one of her Warders, the Illianer, when Nynaeve showed up. I've just read that scene again.

[Tom Sawyer]

fact is logain has been missing for 2 whole books while rubbish characters with useless input to the story take pages after pages. Sanderson it seems has different priorties.

 

That would make sense if not for the fact that Logain was essentially missing for the eleven books in the series before Sanderson took over. He's always been almost a major character who's about to take on a big role. Jordan spent a hell of a lot more time pushing off whatever it was he wanted to have Logain end up doing than Sanderson has.

[DemandredFO]

I think Logain's in the Caralain grass taken by the wellmeaning allies or something like that. I think the Ogier are the wellmeaning allies and Logain is with them. Other than Ogier I have no idea in Randland who hasnt been accounted for or where else Logain could be, unless the Muradians have captured him.

[johthohar]

I know there has to be but I really can't, now that I think about it, remember a single segment written from Logain's POV. I'm sure there is but all I can remember specifically is seeing him from other characters' POV's. And I think the fact that he's off screen so much is one of the things that makes him such a favorite for me. There's so much to speculate about in regards to him even though he's only a secondary character. I think his absence was intended by RJ and not just because BS doesn't like him or something. I expect him to play a large role in aMoL. Like many others said though, I would be bummed if he didn't.

[Elan Tedronai]

i think one poster said it best, he's the good guys demandred. Stays behind the scenes and we are still waiting for his moment. But unlike demandred this guy's glory is virtually assured at this point. Take over from Taim and lead the ashaman and join egewene and her aes sedai after the last battle.

 

 

basically male and female aes sedai reunited once again under egwene and logain.

[Duskfire]

I dont know, I dont think Logain's glory involves him heading the combined Tower. I imagine that will take alot longer to achieve; a couple of decades at least after TG. Not to metion, in Aviendahs vision the Black and White tower were still seperate entities.

[cleantoe]

Does anyone else think that Logain's long absence is because he has his own mini-black tower and he's training his own Asha'man secretly in order to confront Taim and his cronies? I mean, Rand, Logain & Co are going to need LOTS of help cleansing the Black Tower, because Taim keeps the most powerful channelers. And he's got to have dozens, maybe hundreds on his side now.

[nolirion]

i think one poster said it best, he's the good guys demandred. Stays behind the scenes and we are still waiting for his moment. But unlike demandred this guy's glory is virtually assured at this point. Take over from Taim and lead the ashaman and join egewene and her aes sedai after the last battle.

 

 

basically male and female aes sedai reunited once again under egwene and logain.

And under the leadership Of Rand Al'Thor the Dragon Reborn

[Elan Tedronai]

i think one poster said it best, he's the good guys demandred. Stays behind the scenes and we are still waiting for his moment. But unlike demandred this guy's glory is virtually assured at this point. Take over from Taim and lead the ashaman and join egewene and her aes sedai after the last battle.

 

 

basically male and female aes sedai reunited once again under egwene and logain.

And under the leadership Of Rand Al'Thor the Dragon Reborn

 

 

rand al thor the dragon reborn will retire after the last battle.

[salgrant]

Keep seeing some posts where people think Logain might be gathering some forces to strike back at the black tower. Isn't Logain from Murandy? Isn't someone getting Murandy organized (lots of speculation that this is Demi, but maybe Logain's behind it)?

 

Would be cool if the whole Murandy scene ended up being Logain's work so he can mop up Taim and the BT. I get the feeling that Logain is an independant thinker, and is taking some initiative.... would kind of need those traits to led a unified AS in the post LB timeline.

[James71]

Logain's absense is certainly related to his predicted "glory".

I think he is planning or preparing to save the day from Taim's plan.

 

All of the bonded Aes Sedai are also missing aren't they?

When were they last heard from?

[salgrant]

Ok, so I got Murandy wrong as Logain is from Ghealdan, but he was captured by the AS in Lugard

 

If Logain / King Roedran did have something going (hey, I'll forgive you blazing a path through Murandy when you were a false Dragon, if you keep those Seanchan off my Royal Butt), it would explain by King Roedran ignored Egwene's letter....let's face it, no love lost between Logain and WT - even Still har har

 

Logain might have also rounded up all the Dragonsworn that was left hanging around post-Prophet

[Jak o' the Shadows]

Is it possible that Logain is masquerading as an Asha'man in the BT already?

 

We've seen other characters using the One Power to change their appearance.

 

 

Perhaps he's the Asha'man mentioned that doesn't wish to discuss his past? Could he be suspect?