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donk

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  1. damnit Barid!!! Don't Pi** on my parade with common sense:) I want it for xmas:) Pretty Please Team Jordan/TOR go on you know you want to! Also, in all seriousness isn't there a significant date just days away from the Jan 8th release date that would have made a whole load of more sense to release on? 25 year anniversary or some such? I am sure I read something along those lines. That is a clue I think to an early shizz in November. I just wish I could channel Devil Wears Prada and demand Anne Hathaway to get me the manuscript. Sadly it appears it is not to be. After 20 years I guess I can wait until January, unless the Mayan conspiracy end of world theorists are right afterall! then we are ALL fricked 'cept Jason of course and probably Leigh.
  2. Now the preview material has all been released two and a half months before the book is set for publication does anybody think there will be a move to get this out and catch the Christmas market? I read somewhere that there is no more preview material due and January is a long way away to maintain a 'buzz' from the preview stuff, if it really is a January release then TOR marketing needs to be fired as it would have made more sense to do Chapter 1 in November and Chapter 2 in December with a 1 month countdown to keep people talking. I bet we see this at the end of November. Anyone else got any thoughts/inside knowledge? Unless of course they are lying and we will get more preview stuff:)
  3. You are on drugs! Perhaps you can be let off as obviously English is not your first language. Should I confront someone then they do not confront me. I confront and they respond, having been confronted. Within the context of that situation they cannot confront me as I have instigated the interaction by being the confrontee. The word confrontation can be used to describe such an interaction, but cannot be used as you have. In you example X confronts Y. Y responds to X, it is impossible for your explanation (#circlejerk) to be possible, contextually and in reality. SHEESH
  4. That would be an interesting development and I guess we have only a few months until we find out:) It might fit the doing the impossible and winning the game.
  5. Absolutely, I understand the difference, it was the mindset of the situation that I was trying to reconcile. Throughout the series Olver repeatedly plays the game to win, all the adults 'know' he can't win but humour him. That was what I was driving at, a real world analogy that we would just insist was impossible (physics being the guiding reason with the Weeble Wobble). We do not have the rules or a framework for Snakes & Foxes so we cannot be specific as to why it is considered unwinnable, I always imagined Talmanes reaction to be akin to that of mine if my two year old told me the Weeble Wobble had stayed down and then showed me the thing on it's side:)
  6. What is a real world game that can't be won? Say knocking down a Weeble Wobble and it staying down. I think in terms of that. All adults accept it cant be knocked down and made to stay down which is why Uncle Talmanes is so shocked when Olver does beat S&F. I am sure there is some quirk of physics that makes it possible, but in real terms it is so unlikely as to be considered impossible.
  7. Agree on both comments in respect of Logain, paticularly the ying yang shebang. I just cant see Perrin dropping into the ranks alongside Rand, we 'know' that he is going to be dealing with Slayer as his predominant arc in this book, I just cant work out from where and unfortunately this chapter gives no indication of what he is up to.
  8. hmmmm, what a load of drivel I have read in the comments, rape sodomy and BS bashing. Anyway,just thought I would drop my thoughts in. The chapter excerpt was really welcome and a superb treat to find. I enjoyed the story and wasn't bothered to subsequently find out the innkeeper and doorman were fanwank moments. (They both read absolutely fine to me, the Seanchan doorman didn't seem out of place, certainly mysterious if one wanted it to be that he had a heron marked blade, but after finding out who he was based on it made sense and needed no furthe examination in my mind.) As to Matt's POV, well having heard how many people were upset at the previous two books portrayal of the character and that clouding my judgement on the rereads I actually think that this is about spot on for him. You can talk about all sorts of different aspects of the character but fundamentally when we last saw him his eye had been violently ripped out and that might just account for some of his inner monologue regarding liking Ebou Dar and his thoughts about Tylin. Realising one is mortal tends to adjust ones perspective. Don't forget we have heard endlessly how he remembered dying a thousand times but never embraced those memories, perhaps now he has accepted various things - like the mortal coil hits us all and is changing. Some points not yet bought up from a story perspective that I think could be relevant: 1. Battle of Caemlyn - if this has happened and I would assume it has then is Olver dead? Matt might well be strongly affected by his and potentially other camp mates deaths, if he isn't now then I guess he soon will be. 2. I assume Matt made it to the FOM as whichever Ashaman was asked to return daily would likely have had a standing order to take Matt to Perrin (Wasn't Pips left with Perrin when he got gatewayed to TOG). In turn this means the 'plan' for the last battle has been set between the main protagonists, as Matt alludes to and I hypothesise: . a) Rand marching North (I bet with egwene and aes sedai, all the nations and aiel) to break the seals and fight, then Egs to rebuild. b) Perrin sent to sort out the Blacktower? A stab in the dark, but Rand seems not to have the time or inlcination. Or defo marching with Rand if not at BT. c) Matt gatewayed to just outside Ebou Dar and sent to bring Seanchan in to the battle - this means that he might never have got to Caemlyn nor heard any updates from there, we just do not know, but assuming Olver dies, then going back to Ebou Dar and thinking about Valan Luca et al would have prompted a memory about the ugly little sod in all certainty? 3. We know Tuon is alive and that Galgan is till playing games. We do NOT know where Galgan is however. Has he left for the White Tower on his assault already? I am sure Matt will follow assuming he has. This also puts Matt in the right place to get the Horn. Also Matt has a strong Aes Sedai ally at the tower in the two damane he saved (forgot their names) so we can assume they will come into play if it plays out like this. I know a lot of this is disjointed rambling but the key things as I see it are no Olver reminiscence in POV means Matt does not know what has unfolded at Caemlyn. (Just had a thought, isn't there a quote from Matt when he goes to meet Elayne that the palace could be held against a horde of trollocs - or words to that effect?!?) I'll stop now before i get deeper down the garden path.
  9. Peter! Giddy with excitement -- have you read the draft?!? Is RJs ending killer good?!? Can I start getting excited now?!? Please tell me you loved the story of the last book - I bet it goes at a million miles an hour! Enough exclamation marks!
  10. I DO not want to be logging into this site on the 20th January to see umpteen threads entitled 'why did they wait so long to release when it is bad/unsatisfying/blah/blah'. I know its gonna happen though. I am just so happy that the countdown has truly begun and we will get to read the final instalment in the wheel of time. Thanks again to everyone involved in getting the story finished and out there for us to consume. In the words of some famous Essex dwellers I am 'Well Jel' of the advanced readers!!
  11. Excellent point, I forgot about Setalle, it would need her to be healed I feel for it to have merit to the plot as a prompt for Tuon to drop her fears. I think without doubt Matt, Joline, Teslin and the former Seanchan Suldam at the tower will be critical to the acceptance of channelling by Tuon, I just think the invasion of the white tower and the recovery of the horn of valere will be the plot mechanism. The big lynchpin to a further change in the attitude of Tuon as I see it now is that with travelling the Seanchan can return home. Although RJ has said there will not be any 'on screen' time in the Seanchan empire, there is nothing to stop reports coming through to Fortuona from her underlings of the carnage that we are lead to believe has been wrought there. I mean this in so much as if all of the high blood have been exterminated which i think is the case then she has no peers and no-one to answer to. We already have seen that Beslan is the highest ranking Seanchan subject on 'this side of the ocean' (not the exact quote do not have my book to hand but it is mentioned in the same area as my first quotes from Tuon in the op when she references him speaking to her and reflects he alone could)this leads me to believe that there will be some link up with the destruction of society in Seanchan which will remove any significant barriers from 'society' for Tuon's thinking to change. Again theorising is so messy!
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