Quick question

[graemehuntley]

Did the Breaking of the World occur straight after the end of the Age of Legends?

[NetSlider]

Did the Breaking of the World occur straight after the end of the Age of Legends?

 

well, depends what point in time you consider the end of AoL.

[Demiandre]

I believe it was the transition time between the AoL and the Third Age

[Tom Sawyer]

Well, if each Age comes down to a scrap between the Dragon and the Naeblis, then as soon as LTT tossed Ishy into the hole with the DO, then the 2nd Age ended and the 3rd one began. That means that the 2nd Age ended with saidin clean and the 3rd Age began with it tainted, which would make the Breaking happen after the Age of Legends was over and they were into the Age of Somewhat Ordinary.

[graemehuntley]

Thanks

[Demiandre]

This, is Dragonmount. One question, four answers, three different point of view and one "thanks" given, 16 minutes...

 

I love this speed. The french forums aren't that reactive latest...

[graemehuntley]

Just reading New Spring, Lan is noticing a pattern that war's were beginning every thousand years, I was just enquiring because i wasnt sure if it took a thousand years for the male Aes Sedai to reek havoc and for to bring the BotW.

[dovien]

This, is Dragonmount. One question, four answers, three different point of view and one "thanks" given, 16 minutes... I love this speed.

Epic.

[GB]

This, is Dragonmount. One question, four answers, three different point of view and one "thanks" given, 16 minutes...

 

I love this speed. The french forums aren't that reactive latest...

 

i always wondered if it would be different reading WoT in french.

 

is it?

[didymos]

Just reading New Spring, Lan is noticing a pattern that war's were beginning every thousand years, I was just enquiring because i wasnt sure if it took a thousand years for the male Aes Sedai to reek havoc and for to bring the BotW.

 

He's thinking about the Trolloc Wars, which began roughly 1000 years after the Breaking, and the War Of A Hundred Years, which was the collapse of Hawkwing's empire and happened about 1000 years after that. The Breaking itself lasted a few hundred years, with most of the damage done towards the beginning. The male Aes Sedai didn't last too long, what with killing themselves a la LTT, falling victim to the rotting sickness, getting hunted down and killed by female Aes Sedai, or just plain getting killed as a result the Breaking itself. A few of 'em probably killed each other, too, and some probably took a few dozen arrows from time to time. In-world, historians date the beginning of the Third Age and the end of the Breaking to be when the last male Aes Sedai from the Age of Legends died.

[Baletickle_to_da_face!]

Just reading New Spring, Lan is noticing a pattern that war's were beginning every thousand years, I was just enquiring because i wasnt sure if it took a thousand years for the male Aes Sedai to reek havoc and for to bring the BotW.

 

What Lan is thinking, I am assuming, is that the BotW happened after the War of Power at the end of AoL/beginning of 3rd age. Then 1,000 years later the Trolloc Wars happened. Then 1,000 years later the War of a Hundred Years or whatever with Arthur Hawkwing. And 1,000 years later we reach the books.

 

Ishy was freed for about 40 years every 1,000 years, it seems. The prologue of TEotW seems to take place soon after sealing the Bore. Ishy must have started his first 40 year interval of freedom. And the Breaking was still going on. Then 1,000 years later Ishy is freed and the Trolloc Wars happened. Then 1,000 more years and Arthur Hawkwing.

 

We know for a fact Ishy was sticking his fingers in the Arther Hawkwing mess. I am not sure if it's been stated straight out, but it seems likely he had a hand in the Trolloc Wars as well.

[Durinax]

Just reading New Spring, Lan is noticing a pattern that war's were beginning every thousand years, I was just enquiring because i wasnt sure if it took a thousand years for the male Aes Sedai to reek havoc and for to bring the BotW.

 

What Lan is thinking, I am assuming, is that the BotW happened after the War of Power at the end of AoL/beginning of 3rd age. Then 1,000 years later the Trolloc Wars happened. Then 1,000 years later the War of a Hundred Years or whatever with Arthur Hawkwing. And 1,000 years later we reach the books.

 

Ishy was freed for about 40 years every 1,000 years, it seems. The prologue of TEotW seems to take place soon after sealing the Bore. Ishy must have started his first 40 year interval of freedom. And the Breaking was still going on. Then 1,000 years later Ishy is freed and the Trolloc Wars happened. Then 1,000 more years and Arthur Hawkwing.

 

We know for a fact Ishy was sticking his fingers in the Arther Hawkwing mess. I am not sure if it's been stated straight out, but it seems likely he had a hand in the Trolloc Wars as well.

ishy states in EotW that he is directly responsible for hawkwing hating AS (and ordering them killed) plus sending his armys over the seas. And for the trolloc hordes to come south for the trolloc wars (and during this time setting up the BA

[didymos]

We know for a fact Ishy was sticking his fingers in the Arther Hawkwing mess. I am not sure if it's been stated straight out, but it seems likely he had a hand in the Trolloc Wars as well.

 

RJ came pretty close once (bolding mine):

Some of the Dreadlords had authority and responsibility equivalent to that of the Forsaken in the War of the Shadow, however. They ran the Shadow's side of the Trolloc Wars, though without the inherent ability to command the Myrddraal that the Forsaken possess, meaning they had to negotiate with them. Overall command at the beginning was in another's hands.

 

Put that together with the Moraine mentioning the "banner of Ba'alzamon" being used during the Trolloc Wars in her tale of Manetheren, and it's pretty much certain. There's also Fain going into Mordeth mode after he's captured in Fal Dara saying "But at last I have reached lands where men still know the dangers of Ba'alzamon, where men still fight the Dark One." Mordeth, before gettting turned into whatever he was, lived during the Trolloc Wars. Fain knew the name too, of course, but at that point the identities were still fairly distinct. And of course, as pointed out, Ishy himself claiming it.

[Duskfire]

Just reading New Spring, Lan is noticing a pattern that war's were beginning every thousand years, I was just enquiring because i wasnt sure if it took a thousand years for the male Aes Sedai to reek havoc and for to bring the BotW.

 

Its called Millennialism, which is what a few religions believe. Basically every 1000 years there will be a period of great change and upheaval. However, this didn't seem to extend into the Age of legends.

[didymos]

Just reading New Spring, Lan is noticing a pattern that war's were beginning every thousand years, I was just enquiring because i wasnt sure if it took a thousand years for the male Aes Sedai to reek havoc and for to bring the BotW.

 

Its called Millennialism, which is what a few religions believe. Basically every 1000 years there will be a period of great change and upheaval. However, this didn't seem to extend into the Age of legends.

 

Well, in our world, yes millenialism exists, but it's not generally an "every 1000 years" thing. The name came from a statement in Revelation that Christ will reign for a millenium, and the term has been extended to cover roughly similar notions in other religions and even non-religious movements. For the most part, though, it's seen as a one shot deal: there'll be a single big change announcing The End. In WoTLand, on the other hand, Lan has picked up on an actual pattern that has held since the Age of Legends, and the reason it doesn't extend back beyond that is because it was the Sealing that made the pattern possible. I.e., it's a result of Ishamael getting bounced out into reality periodically. Of course, that's not to say RJ wasn't making use of real-world millenial beliefs as source material, because he clearly was.