Confirming Your Predictions

[Luckers]

So, I made a thread on the Non-Spoiler board Declare Your Predictions. So how you going?

 

Myself, I called Graendal living. Admittedly I only fell firmly behind it recently [Tam of Theoryland said I was too cautious, and never fully backed anything, so I did], but I wrote quite extensively on how she might have survived months and months ago, and held it blood and bone against criticism. What do you guys reckon? Can I claim this one?

 

Failures--I was definately wrong about Graendal having a scene before the attack on Natrin's Barrow. And it appears Graendal will go after Nynaeve and Min, not Elayne.

 

How are you guys going?

[Terez]

Was right about Fain. Some still haven't admitted he's the one stealing Shadowspawn, but it's more clear now than ever, now that we know for sure how he did it.

[Luckers]

Was right about Fain. Some still haven't admitted he's the one stealing Shadowspawn, but it's more clear now than ever, now that we know for sure how he did it.

 

This belongs in the Fain (Thing in the Blight) thread. I get that you feel convinced but this thread is for certainties.

[GB]

a good call on a Graendal POV in the prologue

[WinespringBrother]

a good call on a Graendal POV in the prologue

 

The day after TGS was out, I thought that Graendal might have been too clever for Rand (at that point, I don't think I had even finished the book yet). Back in June, I mentioned the humorous-to-me-at-the-time possibility that Aran'gar was in Graendal's lair and that she compelled the Domani Lordling.

 

I didn't argue for either, but I thought they would be nice potential plot twists that turned out to be actual ones...

[yoniy0]

and held it blood and bone against criticism

I did give you a hard time, didn't I? But you were right. Again: I was wrong, and you were right. BTW were you the first to suggest Delana as a means of evading the Compulsion litmus test?

Although, I must admit I feel that scene was forced. She seemed to have all the answers, even though she didn't have much to work with (she didn't pull EVERYTHING out of Ramshalan, just the gist of it).

[Naffy]

Good call Luckers, though you did not predict the bird. You assumed she would know he was going to do it, not simply escape at the last second due to bird recon.

Anyway, the only thing I predicted is that Perrin would continue to be teh suck. I hate that pansy.

[Naffy]

And I was right about Graendal thinking Rand wouldn't kill her because he doesn't want to kill women.

[Crael123]

i was sure Graendal was dead. but she was actually alive.

[Corvinus]

I knew that Graendal was still alive. Mainly for the reason that so far we have been shown how all Forsaken ended.

I was also suspecting that another Forsaken did get killed, but I thought of Mesaana, and not Aran'gar, because Egwene had failed to find her at the end of TGS. Still Aran'gar and her pet Aes Sedai makes sense now that I was thinking about it.

Really awesome POV. Also leads me to believe that Graendal might hang on until the last book.

[Random Man]

I correctly predicted the Borderland Trolloc invasion snapshot, though I thought it would be in Saldaea and not Kandor. Really disappointed we didn't see a Moridin/Dark One meeting. Also somewhat surprised Brandon broke the Ituralde prologue streak.

[The Desert Pea]

Demandred is revealed, and by the end of the book is leading the Shadow's army in a massive attack against Randland

 

The last sentence of the book is "The Dragon Reborn is dead."

 

We will be shown Lan periodically throughout the book, all leading up to his attack on Tarwin's Gap. The last we'll see of him and his forces will be a hopeless charge into a sea of Trollocs.

 

Taim and Logain will throw down at the Black Tower, but Taim will escape to fight another day.

 

Elayne will take a bath.

 

So far, so good. I'm at least partially correct about Lan. Could've sworn I had something about Graendal being alive in there but oh well, I was still right about that too :D

[Sid]

I was right about Galad, Lan, Perrin, and Fain being alive.

[The Fisher King]

I was right about Galad, Lan, Perrin, and Fain being alive.

 

Gutsy calls, those ;)

 

 

Fish

[grolm]

Was right big time on Graendal being alive. Seems she will be more active in her attempts to make Rand know pain. Ny now has two Forsaken who personally want her dead. Didn't see that, but was glad to see that my suspicions about who used compulsion were on the right track, even if I totally missed Aran'gar coming over to visit because of their alliance.

 

Kinda wish Egwene had gotten to meet Halima again, but it's cool knowing that Rand once again will be very misinformed about major problems. Jordan is amazing in how he has his characters misinterpret events in ways that makes them vulnerable.

[algspkr]

I don't think the one prediction I remember making will be settled anytime soon. The blade of light and three become one being Narishima on Callandor with Alivia facilitating the link and Rand guiding.

[Guest Quintus]

I don't think the one prediction I remember making will be settled anytime soon. The blade of light and three become one being Narishima on Callandor with Alivia facilitating the link and Rand guiding.

Just put in "Rand wielding the True Power" and you pretty much get what I predicted some time ago in a facebook discussion as the way to seal the Dark One's prison until the next turn of the Wheel.

 

There must be something not of the OP insulating it from the Dark One's touch, and the OP must be used to close the actual gap in creation.

[Guest wrm05c]

Was right about Fain. Some still haven't admitted he's the one stealing Shadowspawn, but it's more clear now than ever, now that we know for sure how he did it.

 

Not so fast. You haven't been confirmed "right" as of yet. (However, your theory is quite plausible.) That being said, there are still holes in this theory, and if anything, TOM's prolouge may have poked more holes in it because:

 

1) The Trollocs that Fain acquires in the Blight during TOM's prolouge become physically deformed by his aquisition. However, the Trollocs that attack Rand and company at the Manner in KOD bear no such deformities. (or at least they are not described as having these deformities....yet one would think Jordan would have found a way to get this detail in during either the fight scene or the aftermath of the fight at the Manner); and

 

2) In TOM's prolouge, the Fades that are touched by Fain's "tendrils" die almost instantly. Yet...we know Fades are present during KOD's fight at the Manner. This would tend to indicate that the Fades (and the Trollocs) were in-fact NOT sent by Fain to attack Rand at the Manner. (because if Fain would have sent the Trollocs, then there wouldn't have been any Fades because they would all have been killed during his "aquisition" of the Trollocs).

 

So where does that leave us? Well Fain still could have sent the Trollocs and Fades to attack Rand in KOD. However...he would have had to impersonate Sammael through one of his illusisons (which I doubt would have been convincing to a Fade since a Fade doesn't "see" the normal way that a human would), or he would have had to somehow of gained access to Sammael's corpse through Mashadar at Shadar Logoth and reanimated it to give the orders to the Fades to drive the Trollocs through the Ways(which seems like far too much logistically).

 

Therefore, it seems much more plausible that someone other than Fain "stole" the thousands of shadowspawn who attacked Rand and Company in KOD. Yet...the question still remains as to "whom?"

 

Perhaps the answer is in the old phrase "Let the Lord of Chaos Rule." Regardless, I guess we still must RAFO....

 

Nice theory though.

[Mr Hindley]

Well, I'm feeling good because I'm sure I also predicted the Delana-as-compulsion-monkey idea aaaages ago, which seemed to be roundly ignored at the time :) (Tried to find the old post but it seems to have been swallowed up by a page called 'Argonaut Entertainment'?!?)

 

Now hoping my other prediction (Nynaeve heals Rand's death but burns herself out in the process and can't be healed) bears out with the same success...

[scraps18]

Didn't post it on the other board but my predictions are going down the toilet-o. I thought Graendal was toooaast, Hamila would backstab Moridin, and Taim would be the new man-in-charge. Hopefully I get the Taim part right......

 

scraps18

[Red Hand Man]

Is it too late to make predictions aside from the Prologue or is it too much of an informed opinion? Too much work, not enough forum time.

[a_lily_in_winter]

Failures--I was definately wrong about Graendal having a scene before the attack on Natrin's Barrow. And it appears Graendal will go after Nynaeve and Min, not Elayne.

 

I wouldn't loose hope about being right about her going after Elayne. If Greandal killed Asmodean then the most likely scene for her to reveal it is when she is sneaking in the palace in Caemlyn. BS has already had plenty of times he could have dropped the fact that Greandal killed Asmodean. Her prologue PoV even ends with her thinking that the DO wouldn't be pleased with her killing A'ran'gar. All she had to do was add something to the effect that 'The Great Lord didn't mind when she kill Asmodean of course, but A'ran'gar wasn't a traitor, but merely incompetent.' BS is saving the reveal for sometime special. (Like returning to the scene of the crime.)

[Guest Emu on the Loose]

I was right that Aran'gar would be the next Forsaken to bite it; wrong that he wasn't already dead.

[wipe]

Not a prediction- but you heard it here first. Chapter one "apples first" is out on www.orbitbooks.net. Yeah, finally something for us in Europe.

[Vicious Circle]

I knew Graendal would not be caught with her pants down, so to speak, that easily. She has been far to crafty and careful, and has shown a real Talent for outliving all of her co-conspiritors. They may as well put on red shirts and join the "away" team.

 

Star Trek references are sad but true.

 

I really tried not to order the prolog and first chapter but I gave in to my inner HCFF tonight and was pleased to see this prediction be true.