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[GB]

Does anyone think this is the true name for "Shara"? Rhuarc said even the Aiel don't think "Shara" is the real name of "Shara," because he says they always lie about its name. This could be why RJ said "Shara" would not ever be in the books. It isn't actually called Shara

 

Shara was what popped to my mind when I read Shanna'har--mainly because there are so many 'sh' related words... Shara, Shamara, Shibouya, Sh'boan and Sh'botay. Which ain't necessarily the best basis, but it did immediately pop up.

 

yeah i thought of shara as well, anyone knows what the leader of their people is called?

[Luckers]

Does anyone think this is the true name for "Shara"? Rhuarc said even the Aiel don't think "Shara" is the real name of "Shara," because he says they always lie about its name. This could be why RJ said "Shara" would not ever be in the books. It isn't actually called Shara

 

Shara was what popped to my mind when I read Shanna'har--mainly because there are so many 'sh' related words... Shara, Shamara, Shibouya, Sh'boan and Sh'botay. Which ain't necessarily the best basis, but it did immediately pop up.

 

yeah i thought of shara as well, anyone knows what the leader of their people is called?

 

Ah... Sh'boan or Sh'botay, depending on gender--though the Ayyad rule in truth. I was thinking it was either the real name of their Empire, or their capital city.

 

Though, I still maintain we won't be seeing Sharan armies in TG.

[cloglord]

A thought just struck me. What if the "Empty Ink Bottle," Chapter is a Verin POV after she's done writing her sack full of letters,....?

[GB]

Does anyone think this is the true name for "Shara"? Rhuarc said even the Aiel don't think "Shara" is the real name of "Shara," because he says they always lie about its name. This could be why RJ said "Shara" would not ever be in the books. It isn't actually called Shara

 

Shara was what popped to my mind when I read Shanna'har--mainly because there are so many 'sh' related words... Shara, Shamara, Shibouya, Sh'boan and Sh'botay. Which ain't necessarily the best basis, but it did immediately pop up.

 

yeah i thought of shara as well, anyone knows what the leader of their people is called?

 

Ah... Sh'boan or Sh'botay, depending on gender--though the Ayyad rule in truth. I was thinking it was either the real name of their Empire, or their capital city.

 

Though, I still maintain we won't be seeing Sharan armies in TG.

 

cheers luckers for that :)

[algspkr]

A thought just struck me. What if the "Empty Ink Bottle," Chapter is a Verin POV after she's done writing her sack full of letters,....?

 

I have mixed feelings about that. I would like to see it, but I am not sure I want to travel that far back into TGS, or possibly even KoD.

[cloglord]

A thought just struck me. What if the "Empty Ink Bottle," Chapter is a Verin POV after she's done writing her sack full of letters,....?

 

I have mixed feelings about that. I would like to see it, but I am not sure I want to travel that far back into TGS, or possibly even KoD.

I'm thinking that it could be her between the Mat Visit and the Egwene visit. My mental image is of her delivering letters hither and yon and stopping for a minute to reflect on how it had taken her an entire bottle of ink to leave her little seeds of Verin dotted throughout Randland. Maybe its sudden onset Verin Nostalgia, but Verin tops my list of favorite characters because of her (until recently) mysterious side, and I would absolutely love any and all indications of Verin continuing to direct a few things from beyond the grave.

[Luckers]

A thought just struck me. What if the "Empty Ink Bottle," Chapter is a Verin POV after she's done writing her sack full of letters,....?

 

I have mixed feelings about that. I would like to see it, but I am not sure I want to travel that far back into TGS, or possibly even KoD.

I'm thinking that it could be her between the Mat Visit and the Egwene visit. My mental image is of her delivering letters hither and yon and stopping for a minute to reflect on how it had taken her an entire bottle of ink to leave her little seeds of Verin dotted throughout Randland. Maybe its sudden onset Verin Nostalgia, but Verin tops my list of favorite characters because of her (until recently) mysterious side, and I would absolutely love any and all indications of Verin continuing to direct a few things from beyond the grave.

 

 

Agreed. By the way an updated list...

 

1. Questions of Leadership

2. The Pattern Groans

3. Questioning Intentions

4. Lighter Than A Feather

5. Blood In The Air

6. After the Taint

7. An Unexpected Letter

8. An Empty Ink Bottle

9. For What Has Been Wrought

10. Use a Pebble

12. Partings, and A Meeting (

13. The Strength of This Place

14. Talk of Dragons

15. An Open Gate

16. The End of a Legend

17. To Make a Stand

18. A Call to Stand

19. A Terrible Feeling

20. Men Dream Here

21. Into the Void

22. A Storm of Light

23. A Good Soup

24. The Right Thing

25. An Invitation

27. In the Three-Fold Land

32. A Reunion

39. A Rabbit for Supper

 

Bolded the new. Plus we now know there were only ever forty in total.

 

A Call to Stand has to be an Egwene chapter--I wonder what it is the Hall will need to stand on. I hope its something huge, like removing the Oaths, but more probably it'll be Egwene needing to get permission to put herself in harm's way by meeting Rand as per the Law.

[gambril]

Sadly you're probably right about A Call To Stand, but if it was about removing the Three Oaths that would be one of the most interesting moments to read about for me since it's one of the biggest issues I have with Aes Sedai. I'm pretty much (self) convinced that Aes Sedai are irredeemable until they find enlightenment. How and what causes them to re-think what it really means to be Aes Sedai has to happen I believe and it seems RJ was saving all this 'enlightment' for one big moment, at least that's what I hope :). Now if the chapter is just about Egwene getting permission from the Hall to meet Rand, that would be pretty sad and kinda anti-climatic to have to deal with those kind of Tower politics still so much visibly on screen, bring on the big issues at this point!

[Luckers]

Sadly you're probably right about A Call To Stand, but if it was about removing the Three Oaths that would be one of the most interesting moments to read about for me since it's one of the biggest issues I have with Aes Sedai. I'm pretty much (self) convinced that Aes Sedai are irredeemable until they find enlightenment. How and what causes them to re-think what it really means to be Aes Sedai has to happen I believe and it seems RJ was saving all this 'enlightment' for one big moment, at least that's what I hope :). Now if the chapter is just about Egwene getting permission from the Hall to meet Rand, that would be pretty sad and kinda anti-climatic to have to deal with those kind of Tower politics still so much visibly on screen, bring on the big issues at this point!

 

 

It'd not impossible--they have all the information they need to know the Oath's need to go, all they need to do is look at the issue from an unbiased perspective, and Mesaana's stepping around the Oaths may be enough to do that.

 

And A Call to Stand does suggest a contended issue. :)

[lilltempest]

Sadly you're probably right about A Call To Stand, but if it was about removing the Three Oaths that would be one of the most interesting moments to read about for me since it's one of the biggest issues I have with Aes Sedai. I'm pretty much (self) convinced that Aes Sedai are irredeemable until they find enlightenment. How and what causes them to re-think what it really means to be Aes Sedai has to happen I believe and it seems RJ was saving all this 'enlightment' for one big moment, at least that's what I hope :). Now if the chapter is just about Egwene getting permission from the Hall to meet Rand, that would be pretty sad and kinda anti-climatic to have to deal with those kind of Tower politics still so much visibly on screen, bring on the big issues at this point!

 

 

It'd not impossible--they have all the information they need to know the Oath's need to go, all they need to do is look at the issue from an unbiased perspective, and Mesaana's stepping around the Oaths may be enough to do that.

 

And A Call to Stand does suggest a contended issue. :)

 

Such as declaring war on the Black Tower for the "missing" sisters, bonding sisters, and/or Rand supposedly forcing sisters to swear fealty to him. And, possibly by extension, Rand himself. Egwene will, one way or another, manage to get dictatorial powers over the White Tower as a whole. This is the perfect way to do it...and to keep them out of her dealings with Rand.

[Luckers]

Sadly you're probably right about A Call To Stand, but if it was about removing the Three Oaths that would be one of the most interesting moments to read about for me since it's one of the biggest issues I have with Aes Sedai. I'm pretty much (self) convinced that Aes Sedai are irredeemable until they find enlightenment. How and what causes them to re-think what it really means to be Aes Sedai has to happen I believe and it seems RJ was saving all this 'enlightment' for one big moment, at least that's what I hope :). Now if the chapter is just about Egwene getting permission from the Hall to meet Rand, that would be pretty sad and kinda anti-climatic to have to deal with those kind of Tower politics still so much visibly on screen, bring on the big issues at this point!

 

 

It'd not impossible--they have all the information they need to know the Oath's need to go, all they need to do is look at the issue from an unbiased perspective, and Mesaana's stepping around the Oaths may be enough to do that.

 

And A Call to Stand does suggest a contended issue. :)

 

Such as declaring war on the Black Tower for the "missing" sisters, bonding sisters, and/or Rand supposedly forcing sisters to swear fealty to him. And, possibly by extension, Rand himself. Egwene will, one way or another, manage to get dictatorial powers over the White Tower as a whole. This is the perfect way to do it...and to keep them out of her dealings with Rand.

 

 

I don't think they'll declare war on the Black Tower, but the missing sisters, bonded sisters, all that would be the pretext for Egwene asking the Hall to grant her permission to go to Rand--and I do see that being the most likely reason.

 

I just love, love, love the idea that the question of the Oaths will be adressed. There is so much potential drama in the question of the Aes Sedai coming to look upon it.

[gambril]

I'm right there with you as far as wanting to see the Oath Rod addressed. I don't care one way or another what they end up keeping or leaving behind as long as they leave behind the Oath Rod as being a part of what it means to be an Aes Sedai because it should actually be the other way around; use the darn Rod as punishment or a severe pennance, definently not as a badge of honor. I imagine Robert Jordan always snickered when he would write a scene with an Aes Sedai in all their ignorance proudly proclaim their being bound by a criminal binder as a badge of honor! Anyways, I e-mailed Brandon about the Oath Rod and Egwene contradicting herself etc. and he RAFO so I assume it will be addressed because the fireworks factors it can set off are limitless.

 

It's also a theory of mine that Mesaana is being linked to the Oath Rod for a reason and that reason is to serve a purpose which is completely against everything she desires, which is to destroy knowledge but she will inadvertently enlighten Aes Sedai on the true function of the Oath Rod instead to her ultimate horror. The Black Ajah hunters got on the right track and Egwene continued it by using the Rod to determine who was Black in the purge.

 

Thinking on it a little further trying to follow the lines Egwene would follow, if she thinks about the future of say a Sharina who has great potential but is already old. Knowing what Egwene knows, can she continue to require woman who are already over 50+ to swear on the binder? This point has to come up now that they accept woman of any age, as well as the issue of the Kin. Of course this point has to come up once, whatever Hall is finalized, is made aware of the affects of their criminal binder.

[cloglord]

I'm also thinking that "Use a Pebble," might be a Avhienda Chapter. The first thing that I thought of when I heard that was Mat and Rand sucking on pebbles for moisture on their way down to Rhuidean. It might be a refelction by Avhienda about how long she's been gone from the 3 fold land and how soft she feels that she's become.

[Luckers]

Though someone made a good point about Verin comparing the Cleansing to someone throwing a pebble in a pond. The ripples needing to spread.

[sleepinghour]

Knowing what Egwene knows, can she continue to require woman who are already over 50+ to swear on the binder? This point has to come up now that they accept woman of any age, as well as the issue of the Kin.

 

My guess is that the Oath Rod halves your remaining lifespan and doesn't count the years you've already lived. If Sumeko from the Kin is 300, and would have reached 600 unbound, she'd live to 450 bound. But Cadsuane won't reach 450 since she swore when she was in her 20s and had more years remaining to lose to the Oath Rod than Sumeko.

 

Either way, it's an unnecessary sacrifice for AS to make since most people won't trust or respect them no matter how many oaths they swear. The only way they can gain people's trust and respect is to show themselves worthy of it with their actions rather than words. Which is a point Egwene seems to be missing.

[TankSpill]

 

Either way, it's an unnecessary sacrifice for AS to make since most people won't trust or respect them no matter how many oaths they swear. The only way they can gain people's trust and respect is to show themselves worthy of it with their actions rather than words. Which is a point Egwene seems to be missing.

 

The saddest part is that Egwene didn't always seem to miss that point - she seemed to really have her head on straight about the Oaths before Halima showed up. I know RJ said that Egwene had not been Compulsed, but I've still always found that extremely shady. I think she's going to come to realize her mistake in some way, possibly through the ousting of Mesaana, and the Aes Sedai will wake up to the truth about the Rod.

[NetSlider]

Originally Posted by membir

Hey Guys, I just randomly tried "An Unexpected Ally" and it was confirmed as a pass code. It unfortunately asked that I submit a photo holding the code (which I don't physically have".

 

Just saw this on theoryland. Do we already have this one?

[Maji]

 

Either way, it's an unnecessary sacrifice for AS to make since most people won't trust or respect them no matter how many oaths they swear. The only way they can gain people's trust and respect is to show themselves worthy of it with their actions rather than words. Which is a point Egwene seems to be missing.

 

The saddest part is that Egwene didn't always seem to miss that point - she seemed to really have her head on straight about the Oaths before Halima showed up. I know RJ said that Egwene had not been Compulsed, but I've still always found that extremely shady. I think she's going to come to realize her mistake in some way, possibly through the ousting of Mesaana, and the Aes Sedai will wake up to the truth about the Rod.

 

I don't think we are going to see Aes Sedai unbound by the oath rod. Egwene already seems pretty set in her belief that the Oath Rod is necessary so that others know what AS say is true (even if they find ways to get around telling the complete truth). I don't think we have the time for them to argue over getting rid of the oathes. The Last Battle is supposed to be launched in this book.

[lilltempest]

Knowing what Egwene knows, can she continue to require woman who are already over 50+ to swear on the binder? This point has to come up now that they accept woman of any age, as well as the issue of the Kin.

 

My guess is that the Oath Rod halves your remaining lifespan and doesn't count the years you've already lived. If Sumeko from the Kin is 300, and would have reached 600 unbound, she'd live to 450 bound. But Cadsuane won't reach 450 since she swore when she was in her 20s and had more years remaining to lose to the Oath Rod than Sumeko.

 

Either way, it's an unnecessary sacrifice for AS to make since most people won't trust or respect them no matter how many oaths they swear. The only way they can gain people's trust and respect is to show themselves worthy of it with their actions rather than words. Which is a point Egwene seems to be missing.

 

She isn't missing that point; that's the problem. In TGS, Egwene was towing the Aes Sedai party line about the oaths and how the Aes Sedai can manipulate people into doing whatever they want by twisting their words. She sees the oaths as something to help the AS manipulate others rather than understanding that having the Aes Sedai be more forthright and honest would earn them more respect. Unless she changes her attitude about wanting the White Tower and the AS to continue to be puppet masters over the world rather than going back to what the original Aes Sedai were - servants to the world - I think the world's leaders are in for becoming lapdogs to the Aes Sedai and to Egwene since she seems to see herself as "Empress" of the Westlands. Egwene is on a serious power trip, though, and I don't think anything will make her change her mind about the White Tower's place as "puppet master" of the Westlands. If there was anyone around that would stand up to her and refuse to let the Aes Sedai run things, then maybe there would be hope, but I have a sinking feeling that even Tuon will end up bending to SuperEgg's will.

[gambril]

I disagree about Egwene not coming to realize the truth of the matter for many reasons. Throughout the story we're given more and more insight into the oath rod and it's true function all the while all light side Aes Sedai remain ignorant of it. The truth is being revealed to them but slowly, in order for them to have a wholesale change...for Aes Sedai it's going to require something dramatic and that's fine cuz it makes the book better. Robert Jordan's been holding the oath rod issue close to his chest, saving it for the finale it appears.

 

Another reason is the last line of the Mat chapter we have where Mat tells Teslyn he offered her those horses precisely because she didn't attempt to manipulate him. Teslyn isn't stupid. Teslyn will understand the importance of just those simple words from Mat and if need be, when she returns to the tower and stands before the Hall will speak her mind if push comes to shove, perhaps Teslyns' Call To Stand harhar. Anyways, the way that chapter ended with Mat telling Teslyn that he offered simply because he wanted to not because she manipulated him into it, ending a chapter that way kinda makes it seem like that will be one of the themes of the book :).

[DemandredFO]

One of the stand chapters may be an Ogier chapter. I see it similar to the Ents, we get glimpses into their thought process but they stand and are counted.

[shadowkiller_001]

The first thing that came to my mind when I saw "Use A Pebble" was the 'Crow and the Pitcher' from Aesop's fables.

Where the crow sees a pitcher of water but cannot reach down far enough to get the water with his beak. So he drops a pebble in and sees that the water rises slightly. he keeps dropping pebbles until he can drink.

 

The moral being, 'one small step at a time'.

[Terez]

I'm also thinking that "Use a Pebble," might be a Avhienda Chapter. The first thing that I thought of when I heard that was Mat and Rand sucking on pebbles for moisture on their way down to Rhuidean. It might be a refelction by Avhienda about how long she's been gone from the 3 fold land and how soft she feels that she's become.

That was my first thought as well, but I didn't put it in the doc because I like Deadsy's theory better.

 

Originally Posted by membir

Hey Guys, I just randomly tried "An Unexpected Ally" and it was confirmed as a pass code. It unfortunately asked that I submit a photo holding the code (which I don't physically have".

 

Just saw this on theoryland. Do we already have this one?

Yeah, that was the last code. I haven't put it in the doc yet because Peter never told me what number it was.

[Luckers]

28 seems probable.

 

Also an unexpected ally... you all called me crazy for saying Mesaana was good. Now look at you. Still calling me crazy. Damn.

 

:(

[Sakke]

Why everyone here seems to be so sure that "Talk of Dragons" means Aludra and her "dragons"? The book's name is after all Towers of Midnight, one of those towers being the Black Tower. And there are those two BFF's; Logain and Taim. Both false Dragons. After this little discussion between those two men there is a risk of fight which would come true in the next chapter; A Storm Of Light.