[DPR Mafia] Suras 4 - Mafia wins!

[JenLenaMom]

Alys, The only thing I can suggest is that all townies refrain from their night kills unless they have a viewing that someone was mafia. That way anyone that is mafia will be the only people doing the night kills. (they are unlikely to kill their own!) That should help give us a little information.

 

Later on in the game, we may need to change this, but I think that would be the best way to go!

 

I had a thought. how do we know which Beva Perrada is Mafia (I'm talking about the Minister or the Captain). either side could be the mafia. I'm guessing here that we all support Beva Perrada. But as we have two people who have been called that, we don't know which one is the supposed to be the good guy! The Ministers choice or the Captain!

Traditionally, the Minister has always been on the good side. I wouldn't bank on either of them being bad guys though. The mafia is like as not some third party.

 

The way I'm understanding the rules is that all of us are Captains. Somewhere among us is Bova Perrada and the group supporting him, the Bonds Perrada. This would be the mafia. The "town" candidate is Beva Perrada. When we vote at the end we will be choosing between one of the two. Whether that is as those two aliases or their actually player names, only DPR knows. The daily lynches are incidental to the deciding vote. The only thing the town can really accomplish by lynchings is winning the vote by default if we kill Bova and all his supporters.

 

I don't like the idea that Hybrid suggested of "assigning" viewings, etc. This smacks of trying to take control of the game which is scummy at best.

 

Also, the healer, finder and vig roles are rotating, so if a scum gets the finder role do you really think he/she is going to happily go along with your plan if it focuses on their teammate? Or tell you the truth?

 

Even though I don't usually like this on Day one, [glow=red,2,300]No lynch[/glow]. We just need more information.

[Red2111]

Wes, you're evil, just so you know  :-*  

 

[glow=green,2,300]unvote[/glow] [glow=red,2,300]no lynch[/glow]

 

i think a no lynch is the best way to go.  imo townies are most likely to get the lynch on Day 1, with everyone having a veiw tonight chances are good that we will hit atleast one scum and then we can make a better informed lynch on Day 2.

 

 

Pandy, you just offically pinged my radar with this comment

 

DO NOT WASTE VIGS OR PROTECTS TONIGHT.

 

i understand not wasting a vig unless you find scum, but i'm a bit confuse as to how using your protection tonight would be a waste

 

Alys, The only thing I can suggest is that all townies refrain from their night kills unless they have a viewing that someone was mafia. That way anyone that is mafia will be the only people doing the night kills. (they are unlikely to kill their own!) That should help give us a little information.

 

Later on in the game, we may need to change this, but I think that would be the best way to go!

 

i agree :)

 

I had a thought. how do we know which Beva Perrada is Mafia (I'm talking about the Minister or the Captain). either side could be the mafia. I'm guessing here that we all support Beva Perrada. But as we have two people who have been called that, we don't know which one is the supposed to be the good guy! The Ministers choice or the Captain!

 

The way I'm understanding the rules is that all of us are Captains. Somewhere among us is Bova Perrada and the group supporting him, the Bonds Perrada. This would be the mafia. The "town" candidate is Beva Perrada. When we vote at the end we will be choosing between one of the two. Whether that is as those two aliases or their actually player names, only DPR knows. The daily lynches are incidental to the deciding vote. The only thing the town can really accomplish by lynchings is winning the vote by default if we kill Bova and all his supporters.

 

the ratio's in this game as i understand them are as follows

 

1/3 - Beva supporters

1/3 - Bova supporters

1/3 - undecided

 

it could be that both the Beva & Bova are on teams; maybe a mason team (Beva) & a mafia team(Bova). or both could be scum teams each with a NK and the town is the last 1/3 who're nuteral in their votes.  

 

seeing as this is Wes, anything is possible lol

 

I don't like the idea that Hybrid suggested of "assigning" viewings, etc. This smacks of trying to take control of the game which is scummy at best.

 

i agree.  and i think it was Pandy who brought up the point that assigning votes only lets the scum know whose veiing them and makes their job easier

 

Also, the healer, finder and vig roles are rotating, so if a scum gets the finder role do you really think he/she is going to happily go along with your plan if it focuses on their teammate? Or tell you the truth?

 

roatating??  i thought that it was a free for all on them.  where each us us could choose to inact any of our given abilities at ny time. 

 

for instance i could choose to portect myself and veiw someone tonight; and if the person i veiw comes back as scum i'd then be able to VK them.

 

Wes can you clarify a few things

 

1. are the abilities rotation style or use when you want to.

2. can we only use one at a time or can we use all of them at once?

3. can we choose to use them during the lynching phase of the game or only during the typical "night phase"?

 

 

Deadline

July 6th

 

Vote Count

Pandy(3): Meesh, Nae, Adella

Lia(2): Amadine, L13

L13(2): Lia, Barm

Lily(2): Pandy, Jeran

Red(1): Tayla

Bela(1): Aemon

Barm(1): Alys

Adella(1): Hybrid

Jeran(1): Pookie

 

No Lynch(4): Lav, Lily, JLM, Red

 

No Vote (15): Pete, Wombat, Amadine, Bela, Verbal, Tigs, Rose, MCS, Danya, Dae, Al Jenn, Crusher, Rey, Ed, Aust

 

[JenLenaMom]

You are right Red I misread the OP. But the point still stands that we can't trust the mafia to tell us the truth or cooperate with any scheme we come up with.

[Naeann]

[glow=red,2,300]Unvote

 

No lynch[/glow]

[DPR]

 

Wes can you clarify a few things

 

1. are the abilities rotation style or use when you want to.

2. can we only use one at a time or can we use all of them at once?

3. can we choose to use them during the lynching phase of the game or only during the typical "night phase"?

 

1. You may use them whenever you like (night phase)

2. You may use however many you like at one time.

3. They are night actions.

[mmeeshal]

I was going to just leave my vote on pandy until I figured out who I wanted to switch it to, because I honestly don't think pandy's scum, but with the deadline fairly close, for now I'm going to [glow=red,2,300]unvote[/glow] and [glow=red,2,300]No Lynch[/glow].  Have some things to do today on my first day off in over a week, but I'm going to come back later and review the game a little closer, and see if I want to move my vote elsewhere before the deadline.

[Alys Kinch]

Alys, The only thing I can suggest is that all townies refrain from their night kills unless they have a viewing that someone was mafia. That way anyone that is mafia will be the only people doing the night kills. (they are unlikely to kill their own!) That should help give us a little information.

 

Later on in the game, we may need to change this, but I think that would be the best way to go!

 

It’s a good thought. Does anyone disagree with this?

 

Caveat that I see is someone who has previously used their view and is “positive” someone else is mafia may decide it’s worth it to shoot anyway. But with a little caution, we should be able to eliminate some of these. Still the least detrimental way to go so far. Thoughts people??

 

I had a thought. how do we know which Beva Perrada is Mafia (I'm talking about the Minister or the Captain). either side could be the mafia. I'm guessing here that we all support Beva Perrada.

OP named them differently.

“I declare myself Bova Perrada and invoke the custom of challenge to the current Minister. As of now, I have no name. I only live to serve The Hall.” He held both hands out palms up. “It is done.”

Challenger

 

“Instead, I choose to appoint my successor. In this case, he shall also be nameless and be known instead as Beva Perrada.

Minister

 

Vote no lynch

LMAO. I usually suggest this at an impasse and get promptly castigated. Now everyone’s on board. It is actually the best option, albeit one I discarded due to normal vehemence. [glow=red,2,300]unvote- vote no lynch[/glow]

 

This smacks of trying to take control of the game which is scummy at best.

Or someone actually trying to toss out ideas to help the town instead of just smashing them to bits because they disagree.

 

[JenLenaMom]

This smacks of trying to take control of the game which is scummy at best.

Or someone actually trying to toss out ideas to help the town instead of just smashing them to bits because they disagree.

 

 

Actually, the way I read it now makes more sense, I had misread the OP and thought we were rotating the healer/finder/vig roles, not that we all had them. Anytime someone suggests telling the finder who to view I disagree with it, every game.

 

But I don't think everyone using their finder power on night one is necessarily a good plan. Sure we may get lucky and find a few scum, but then we have no way to find the others, except to attempt lynching people who seem suspicious. The risks out-weigh the benifets for me.

[Talya]

Okay, my bad...I read through that twice as well. Sometimes I just can't see subtle differences like that once I have one name in my head!

 

no I feel dumb!

 

I have to say I don't like the no lynch vote at the beginning of the game. But it seems there is a lot going to happen tonight, so I will, for once do it...

 

so in for a penny in for a pound!

 

[glow=red,2,300]Unvote[/glow]

 

[glow=red,2,300]No vote[/glow]

[JenLenaMom]

*jumps up and down pointing*

 

SCUM!! TALYA'S SCUM!!

 

;D You know I love ya Tal, I just couldn't resist. :-*

[Talya]

:D

 

sorry, but now I have an image of you jumping up and down like a loon!

 

;D

[mnwhiterose]

checking in, late as usual. *grumbles*

 

I'm going with a [glow=red,2,300]no lynch[/glow] for now until I see someone truly guilty.

[Red2111]

Deadline

July 6th

 

Vote Count

Pandy(1): Adella

Lia(2): Amadine, L13

L13(2): Lia, Barm

Lily(2): Pandy, Jeran

Bela(1): Aemon

Adella(1): Hybrid

Jeran(1): Pookie

 

No Lynch(9): Lav, Lily, JLM, Red, Nae, Meesh, Alys, Talya, Rose

 

No Vote (14): Pete, Wombat, Amadine, Bela, Verbal, Tigs, MCS, Danya, Dae, Al Jenn, Crusher, Rey, Ed, Aust

 

 

[Jeran]

When I first read the no lynch proposal I thought it was an excellent idea (and I still may do it.)  But, if I understand the set up, aren't there 10 mafia players (the B____ Perrada - I forget which one already)?  This means a higher chance than usual of hitting a mafia (32% vs. 25%)

 

Also, if no one uses their healing powers can't we expect 10 mafia Vig kills and 1 NK?

[Alys Kinch]

But I don't think everyone using their finder power on night one is necessarily a good plan. Sure we may get lucky and find a few scum, but then we have no way to find the others, except to attempt lynching people who seem suspicious. The risks out-weigh the benifets for me.

Agreed, but the point was that he was trying to help and that actually is what counts. You just shot it down out of hand, and I felt something should be said about it being called scummy. I am a player that much prefers everyone offer ideas over everyone just sitting quietly withholding info. So even when flawed plans enter the arena (and most are flawed), I avoid saying that’s suspicious while dismissing it out of hand. Build on it to fix and thwart a potential evil plan is much better and more fulfilling.

Okay, my bad...I read through that twice as well. Sometimes I just can't see subtle differences like that once I have one name in my head!

 

no I feel dumb!

Don’t feel bad. I had to reread to catch the difference too.

 

Also, if no one uses their healing powers can't we expect 10 mafia Vig kills and 1 NK?

Depends if the mafia intend to expend all their extra fire power at once.

[aemonkristen]

I agree with holding back on the vig kills till later just because this early in the game it would incredibly good luck to hit a scum. That said, if we wait until someone calls scum we may be waiting a very long time. I think that ultimately it will come down to everyones better judgment on when to use their view, vig and heal. I don't see how we can work these abilities as a town without getting taken for a ride by the mafia.

[Red2111]

very true, especialy since the VK's are considered night actions.  if the mafia does have a NK and we assign who uses theri VK's first and such they'll just use their NK of VK's to counter.

 

i think our best option is to use our veiws when we feel fit, and if we hit scum go ahead and submit them as our VK and let the Corners Report do the talking.

 

if the scum some how escape the VK via their heal or something else Wes might have planned, the perosn who finds them as scum can then out them and we can lynch 'em.

 

 

 

what other roles do you guys think Wes might have included??  aside from the 3 one shots everyone knows about.  you don't think he'd be evil enough to mess with peoples findings would he? 

[Hybrid]

A mafia with a nightly NK and a vig kill each seems rather overpowered if a third of the players are mafia.

 

Plus, there's this quote from the opening page:

Of course, the Mafia team are the only players who know who the mafia candidate is, and will be doing everything they can to get you to vote for that person.

I find it more likely that both candidates have innocent supporters.  In other words, I don't think Bova Perrada/Beva Perrada/undecided necessarily translates to alignment.  There are probably innocents and mafia spread into all three groups.  The only difference is that the mafia know who they will vote for at end game (despite being Bova Perrada/Beva Perrada/undecided at the start), and the innocents have to figure it out.

[Pookie]

*pokes Red*

 

[glow=red,2,300]Lily[/glow]

 

He hasn't unvoted or changed his vote.  Your vote post right before his vote was quoted after his vote so I'm guessing that's where you missed it.  :)

[Liathiana]

I'll go for a no-lynch if Amadine and Lo13 unvote me, until then, I am not going to increase the chances of getting lynched by the mod today.

[Red2111]

thanks for the catch Pookie.  :-[ sorry Wombat

 

went through and re-checked the thread just to make sure i didn't miss anyone else.

 

Oh, this is wonderful!

 

I've updated the rules post with a player list, which will be kept up to date as far as player deaths go.

 

I'm going to hold off on a vote count for now. heh

 

Let all of your ideas simmer a bit more. A lot happens tongiht.

 

You have just under 12 hours until nightfall.

 

ofcourse, since Wes is neglecting to post a vote count and choosing to wait instead makes me wonder if mabe there are double voters or some peoples votes wont count.

 

Deadline

July 6th

 

Vote Count

Lily(3): Pandy, Wombat, Jeran

Lia(2): Amadine, L13

L13(2): Lia, Barm  

Pandy(1): Adella

Bela(1): Aemon

Adella(1): Hybrid

Jeran(1): Pookie

 

 

No Lynch(9): Lav, Lily, JLM, Red, Nae, Meesh, Alys, Talya, Rose

 

No Vote (13): Pete, Amadine, Bela, Verbal, Tigs, MCS, Danya, Dae, Al Jenn, Crusher, Rey, Ed, Aust

 

 

[Daetirion]

Looks like it's heading towards a No Lynch.

 

[glow=red,2,300]No Lynch[/glow]

 

Still seems the most prudent course of action considering the hard information we actually have. That is not to say this will not change, but anything else is merely rumour and guesswork. Knowing DPR's games, the trick is to keep as many alive as possible and see what develops (Call-and-Response etc.) and this is probably the best way to do it.

 

 

[Alys Kinch]

I just had a horrifying thought. In the other Suras, was there punishment for the no lynches?

[Talya]

Hmmm, now you mention it, I'm not sure to be honest. There are some links around here, so I may take a quick look.

He has said 'don't forget you can 'no lynch' a couple of times! That actually makes it worrying, or maybe it is a helpful hint!

[Alys Kinch]

I just remember that Suras can be a blood bath and every choice has it's pleasures and pains. No lynches may end up costing us more later. Guess we will see.