[DPR Mafia] Call-Your-Shot Mafia- Points being posted...

[ed2funy]

 

Current Vote Count

Kivam (8.) - Verbal, Lavinya, Pete, Dae, Lily, Alys, Lia, Nae

Nae (1) - Hybrid

Lavinya (2) - Kivam, Pandy

Pete (0) -

Pandy (0) -

Rey (2) - Talya, Pale

Dae (0) -

Talya (1) - Rey

Lily (0) -

Barms (0) -

FDM (0) -

Alys (0) -

 

With 21 players, it takes 11 to lynch.

 

Out of 21 players, 13 have voted. 8 players have not. You can't win if you don't play.

::)

 

I haven't voted according to the Mod Silly.

[LilyElizabeth]

Well, silly, I could be wrong.... lol

 

Loves you, Ed  :-*

 

[ed2funy]

You probably are. :P

 

:-*

[DPR]

 

Lily is right - The vote count has been corrected.

 

Current Vote Count

 

Kivam (8) - Verbal, Lavinya, Pete, Dae, Lily, Alys, Lia, Nae

Nae (1) - Hybrid

Lavinya (2) - Kivam, Pandy

Pete (0) -

Pandy (0) -

Rey (2) - Talya, Pale

Dae (0) -

Talya (1) - Rey

Lily (0) -

Barms (1) - ed

FDM (0) -

Alys (0) -

 

With 21 players, it takes 11 to lynch.

 

Out of 21 players, 15 have voted. 6 players have not.

 

 

 

[ed2funy]

Darn Lily.

:D

 

[glow=red,2,300]Unovte

Vote Kivam and his numbers[/glow]

 

Now....we wait for Kiv

[Kivam]

Ok Kivam, I'm not going to vote yet, because you are at L-2 and putting you at L-1 is too liable to result in somebody not reading the thread and hammering you before you spit out your defense, so, lets hear it. Why shouldn't we lynch you?

 

Fine.  I'm the firefighter, guys.  Lynch me and you create a serial killer.

 

As long as I'm alive, all the arsonist can do is "prime" people at night.  When I die, everyone he's primed goes up like a roman candle.  After I die, anyone he targets dies that night.

 

Now, here's the thing, scum.  You want me alive as badly as the town does.  As long as I'm alive, the arsonist is just another townie - he can't kill any of you.  Once I die, you're as open to NKs as the rest of us.  Another thing - while I'm alive, I'm essentially your panic button.  If the numbers swing too far against you, you kill me and hope the arsonist only primed townies.

 

Of course, that only works if I don't find the arsonist before you press the panic button; if I find him at night, he converts to a regular townie, and everyone he primed is safe.  Which is why I'm comfortable laying this out for you - I think I'll win the race.

 

Doc, do not protect me tonight.

 

Your move, scum.

 

Now, can we please lynch either Lavinya or Nae?

[DPR]

 

Kivam (9) - Verbal, Lavinya, Pete, Dae, Lily, Alys, Lia, Nae, ed

[Verbal32]

Now I'm wishing I had just called getting you to reveal on thread, instead of leading a lynch on you.  Dammit.  There goes a shot...

 

If there isn't a counterclaim, I'll unvote, but for now I'm ok with you at L-2.

[ed2funy]

:o

For now....

 

gah!....I don't want to wait for a counter claim, because

A) He is not lying

B) He is lying, but the real one is afraid to come out, OR

C) He is not lying and the scum come out and counter-claim to throw in confusion.

 

But.....:-\

[Reyoru]

:o

For now....

 

gah!....I don't want to wait for a counter claim, because

A) He is not lying

B) He is lying, but the real one is afraid to come out, OR

C) He is not lying and the scum come out and counter-claim to throw in confusion.

 

But.....:-\

 

Oh wait to go ed. Throw in the confusion, just like you are? [/sarcasm]

 

Unvote on Kiv people, he clearly ain't scum.

[Verbal32]

I hope your C) occurs, as that would be a pretty bad move for scum.

 

Rey, not exactly.  I want to make sure we don't have a claimant come screaming that Kivam is lying.  No harm in waiting a bit.  He's at L-2, and I'll immediately vote the next person to place a vote on him.  He's safe for now.

[Reyoru]

Rey, not exactly.  I want to make sure we don't have a claimant come screaming that Kivam is lying.  No harm in waiting a bit.  He's at L-2, and I'll immediately vote the next person to place a vote on him.  He's safe for now.

 

Fair enough Verb.

 

I just hope people read the thread before voting.

[ed2funy]

Verby...I know. But...seeing as we don't technically have a deadline....

 

Scum can get good at those things....and come close too.....

 

 

[Kivam]

:o

For now....

 

gah!....I don't want to wait for a counter claim, because

A) He is not lying

B) He is lying, but the real one is afraid to come out, OR

C) He is not lying and the scum come out and counter-claim to throw in confusion.

 

But.....:-\

 

Oh wait to go ed. Throw in the confusion, just like you are? [/sarcasm]

Unvote on Kiv people, he clearly ain't scum.

 

I agree with the sentiment, but this seems a little overtrusting for a "don't lynch me" reveal, don't you think?  The cop should definitely check me out one of these nights, because claiming firefighter shouldn't automatically convince everyone I'm the firefighter (though I am). 

 

It should, though, convince people that I'm probably the firefighter and they shouldn't risk lynching me.

 

Ed, there won't be a counterclaim because, as I said, the scum don't want the firefighter dead - and certainly not at the cost of a 1 for 1 trade with the town.

[ed2funy]

WIFOM all over the place!

 

Let's just lynch Verby. :P

[Kivam]

I hope your C) occurs, as that would be a pretty bad move for scum.

 

Rey, not exactly.  I want to make sure we don't have a claimant come screaming that Kivam is lying.  No harm in waiting a bit.  He's at L-2, and I'll immediately vote the next person to place a vote on him.  He's safe for now.

 

Maybe - I remembered on my walk into work that "doublevoter" is on the list of roles (I think, didn't actually check it).  I'd be much happier at L-3; if someone comes in and puts me at L-1 because they didn't read the thread, the doublevoter could hammer me without anyone knowing who it was.

[Kivam]

Now I'm wishing I had just called getting you to reveal on thread, instead of leading a lynch on you.  Dammit.  There goes a shot...

 

Well, that would be scummy as all hell if you hadn't promised to do just that in a fit of marine mammal related pique

[Verbal32]

Now I'm wishing I had just called getting you to reveal on thread, instead of leading a lynch on you.  Dammit.  There goes a shot...

 

Well, that would be scummy as all hell if you hadn't promised to do just that in a fit of marine mammal related pique

 

LOL...exactly.  And I always come through on my promises.  Well, I attempt them at least.

 

 

 

I hope your C) occurs, as that would be a pretty bad move for scum.

 

Rey, not exactly.  I want to make sure we don't have a claimant come screaming that Kivam is lying.  No harm in waiting a bit.  He's at L-2, and I'll immediately vote the next person to place a vote on him.  He's safe for now.

 

Maybe - I remembered on my walk into work that "doublevoter" is on the list of roles (I think, didn't actually check it).  I'd be much happier at L-3; if someone comes in and puts me at L-1 because they didn't read the thread, the doublevoter could hammer me without anyone knowing who it was.

 

Good point, but I was thinking the doublevoter would just show up with 8 names on the right, but 9 votes counted.  If they can place them separately, then you're right.  And just in case....[glow=red,2,300]unvote[/glow].

[Barmacral]

I'm going to give Kivam the benefit of the doubt and believe this one. And even if he is lying, the roll is one we want to keep around, so I'd rather not risk it.

[Far Dareis Mai]

Well, it's an incredibly detailed description for a role. I'm not sure how verbatim it is to the wiki, but it seems fairly solid, and truly, I think there are more suspect people playing than Kivam. I find it incredibly ironic that he is in a position where neither the town nor the mafia will really wish to lynch him...I bet you are sitting back in your seat and having a nice chuckle, eh? :P

[Alys Kinch]

Getting reamed from Alys and others is not a terribly desirable event, eh?

I nearly laughed so hard I snorted when I read that.

 

If his reveal was true (and I'm kind of assuming it is because why else say he has a crappy role?)

Because it’s easier for mafia to hide in a % finder role than to always come up empty with a full one… Just guessing here, people.

 

Bottom line: if there are fewer than 50% scum, then anyone viewed by Rey (whether the result is townie or scum) has a higher likelihood of being scum than any randomly selected other player.

Yes, but it’s not that different from our chances if we actually, oh I don’t know, look for mafia. Any finding MUST be tempered by evidence, especially when he is only a % finder, regardless of any numbers of people. If he gets the wrong reading, he gets the wrong reading and that’s worse than useless; it’s dangerous. All I am saying is that that particular role isn’t as useful as it first appears. We are gimped if we rely on something so… unreliable. Arguing such an obvious point is not helping.

 

Once I die, you're as open to NKs as the rest of us.  Another thing - while I'm alive, I'm essentially your panic button.  If the numbers swing too far against you, you kill me and hope the arsonist only primed townies.

?? If the numbers are against us, why do we hope he primed townies? Do you mean this for the mafia?

[Alys Kinch]

DPR do we have a go to night without a kill option?

[Kivam]

Bottom line: if there are fewer than 50% scum, then anyone viewed by Rey (whether the result is townie or scum) has a higher likelihood of being scum than any randomly selected other player.

Yes, but it’s not that different from our chances if we actually, oh I don’t know, look for mafia. Any finding MUST be tempered by evidence, especially when he is only a % finder, regardless of any numbers of people. If he gets the wrong reading, he gets the wrong reading and that’s worse than useless; it’s dangerous. All I am saying is that that particular role isn’t as useful as it first appears. We are gimped if we rely on something so… unreliable. Arguing such an obvious point is not helping.

 

Correct, but that's the point.  he's a tiebreaker.  If we have two suspects who seem equally scummy, and he viewed one but not the other, we should lynch the one he viewed (whether his view cam up innocent or guilty).

 

And it may be that you were saying "the role isn't as useful as it first appears" - but everyone else is saying its "useless", which it isn't.

 

 

Once I die, you're as open to NKs as the rest of us.  Another thing - while I'm alive, I'm essentially your panic button.  If the numbers swing too far against you, you kill me and hope the arsonist only primed townies.

?? If the numbers are against us, why do we hope he primed townies? Do you mean this for the mafia?

 

Yes, that was only for the mafia.  If the numbers turn against them, its in their interest to kill me and hope the arsonist saves them.  Obviously, we hope he's primed scum, in that case - and the risk that he has is why killing me is a panic-button, last resort type move for the mafia or SK.

[ed2funy]

Correct, but that's the point.  he's a tiebreaker.  If we have two suspects who seem equally scummy, and he viewed one but not the other, we should lynch the one he viewed (whether his view cam up innocent or guilty).

 

And it may be that you were saying "the role isn't as useful as it first appears" - but everyone else is saying its "useless", which it isn't.

 

This makes no sense. If he picks one person and comes up innocent, people would want to lynch the other, or maybe not.

If they came up guilty, let's lynch him...or the other guy.

 

If we are going to swing a vote on a 50/50 viewing...

I am sorry, but that makes no sense.

[Naeann]

One person might want you dead Kivam... the arsonist.  At any rate.. I'm tempted to leave the vote there.. simply because out of all the revealers and other suspicious people you still have it out for me for some reason.. but [glow=red,2,300]unvote[/glow] for now.

 

So, in essence, you are saing Rey will have alot of control over who we lynch.  He can simply view the people he wants lynched. (sound like a fun role for a mafia to hide behind?) Who want's to line up first to be 50 shot viewed by Rey and therefore set up for a lynch on your head?  Anybody?

 

Edit: doesn't make sense to me either Ed.  I'm not a math whiz and I don't see how someone would have a better shot at being mafia just because they were viewed by Rey and 50 percent chance his viewing of them is wrong.  Like I said.. I can pick any random person in the game right now and, with no finder role, can guess with a 50 percent accuracy if they are mafia or not.  They either are or they arent.